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2012 4 Races for 4 PBs

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Felt good yesterday evening to be back running in fresh cool conditions in Phoenix. Set off and logged first mile at 8:31 and said right no excuses slow down. Tipped away at a very leisurely pace for the remaining miles and posted an overall average of 8:50 pace.

    M01 8:31
    M02 8:55
    M03 8:49
    M04 8:51
    M05 8:49
    M06 8:56
    M07 8:38
    M08 9:04

    Total 8.29M @ 8:50

    Week 17 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Easy 4M @ 8:35|4.42|8:30
    Regular 6M @ 8:20|6.21|8:08
    Easy 4M @ 8:35|4.19|8:32
    PMP 4M @ 7:45|4.00|7:06
    LSR 8M @ 8:45|8.29|8:50


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Alright then week 18 is underway. An easy 3 miler after work. Been a while since I ran such a short distance. Calves did feel a bit stiff.

    I'm not 100% sure about my schedule for this week. I'm happy enough to run two easy midweek three milers. I don't know if I should run a short PMP this week or not. And if I run it should I run it Wednesday (actually Thursday, won't be able to run tomorrow) or run it Saturday. Or should I just run a steady 8:20 4 miler on both days? I'll probably go with the latter, a PMP this week is probably pointless.

    Don't know yet if I'm going to fit a run in Sunday or not.

    Lots of pasta/rice/potatoes and lots of water this week.

    M01 8:30
    M02 8:24
    M03 8:35

    Total 3.01M @ 8:30

    Week 18 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Easy 3M @ 8:35|3.01|8:30
    Regular 4M @ 8:20 or PMP 4M @ 7:45?||
    Easy 3M @ 8:35||
    Regular 4M @ 8:20 or PMP 4M @ 7:45?||
    Optional Easy 3M @ 8:35||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Not an encouraging run. Felt heavy. Right knee gave a little protest on the stairs before heading out. Calves felt tight while running, heels feel tight now. Another few aches in the shower. Did all my stretches as usual. I'm going to say it's due to it being warm and close this evening and to having gone out last night and not getting a great night's sleep. Or are my shoes starting to wear out? I've over 450 miles logged on them.

    Will do an easy 3 tomorrow. Will do 4 miles like tonight Saturday morning. Then I might do 2 or 3 easy miles on Sunday.

    Thinking more and more and more about Monday. I keep reminding myself that I can now hold 7:32 pace for 10 miles, that last October I held 7:46 pace for 15 miles last October, and I'm convinced I'm fitter now. To be honest 9:00 Monday can't come soon enough.

    M01 8:05
    M02 8:25
    M03 8:11
    M04 8:14

    Total 4.23M @ 8:15

    Week 18 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Easy 3M @ 8:35|3.01|8:30
    Regular 4M @ 8:20|4.23|8:15
    Easy 3M @ 8:35||
    Regular 4M @ 8:20||
    Optional Easy 3M @ 8:35||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    So much taper madness in this post it's unreal. Don't worry about it - it's entirely normal. :D

    Best of luck on Monday, you've put the work in for a good run :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Best of luck on monday. make sure to give me a shout on the start line!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    So much taper madness in this post it's unreal. Don't worry about it - it's entirely normal. :D

    Yeah I did read over the post again and thought there might be a bit of that taper madness in there alright. I thought I was immune to taper madness. Now i'm hoping it's taper madness. Is hoping it's taper madness a sign of taper madness!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Best of luck on monday. make sure to give me a shout on the start line!

    Thanks Meno. See you Monday, hope it won't be as sunny and warm as it is outside the window here now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    It was pointed out to me that week 18 of Hal Higdon's plan has just three runs, a 3 miler, done, a 4 miler, done, and a 2 miler on the day before the race. I'll find time for the 2 miler on Sunday. Honestly I was happy not to run yesterday or today. My calves and heels feel far less tight. On the other hand I'm doing housework today and it feels like I've slightly slightly slightly strained my groin (housework, groin :confused:). Anyway now I'm paranoid about making any sudden or rushed movements. Last night I was convinced I was developing a crick in my neck.

    C'mon Monday!

    Week 18 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Easy 3M @ 8:35|3.01|8:30
    Regular 4M @ 8:20|4.23|8:15
    Easy 2M @ 8:35||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    A little over two miles around the Glanmire and Riverstown. All seems in order. Can do no more.

    M01 8:18
    M02 7:50

    Total 2.37M @ 8:11

    Week 18 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Easy 3M @ 8:35|3.01|8:30
    Regular 4M @ 8:20|4.23|8:15
    Easy 2M @ 8:35|2.37|8:11


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Hit the wall, hard :(.

    Pre-race stayed on the Eason side of Patrick Street, keeping warm in the sun. Felt relaxed and happy to be finally at the start line. Smell of deep heat. Was looking out for the balloons which didn’t pop-up until maybe about 5 minutes before 9:00. Two green 3:30 balloons appeared more or less immediately in front of where myself and three other 3:30 hopefuls had just met up. Sorry Menoscemo, but it was pretty packed then so I didn’t work my way back through the crowd to the 4:00 balloons.

    And we’re off. I hit my Garmin right on the mat, and my final Garmin time would match my chip-time to the second. Conjested for the first mile round the block. Thought the balloons had set off pretty fast. Figured they were trying to get out of traffic as soon as possible, and also I guess they are trying to pace of gun-time so needed to make up 30 odd seconds or so.

    No stiffness or tightness over the first few miles. The water stop just before mile 3 is on a corner before an s-bend and that caused a bit of chaos, I ended up stepping flush on a dropped full bottle of water. Several people complaining about the positioning of that water-stop when there was a long straight after the s-bends. Turn onto quays and I take sticking to the balloons very literally with one ballon bouncing off my head for 200 meters or so. Feeling grand now and the field starting to spread out a little.

    M01 7:39
    M02 8:02
    M03 7:44
    M04 7:45
    M05 7:54

    Total 39:04

    As we pass the 5M clock it reads 40:00, so we’re bang on gun-time.

    Tip along leisurely down Tivoli, past the 6 mile marker then up the slip road toward the Dunkettle Interchange. All the time running alongside the balloons. Down into the tunnel. Making sure now that I follow the racing-line. Have a chat with two of the guys I started out with, they’re comfortable and tipping along fine.

    Lost reception as expected in tunnel, but regained it almost immediately on exiting the tunnel. Take first 3 jellies at mile 8. I’m carrying my own water, a 750ml bottle, so for now I don’t worry about water stops. The three of us are running around 20 or 30 yards ahead of the balloons in order to avoid the congestion immediately behind the balloons. We pass the 10M clock and its reading 1:20. Perfect.


    M06 7:59
    M07 8:04 (tunnel)
    M08 8:01
    M09 7:55
    M10 7:58

    Total 39:57

    Turned onto the estuary walkway and this year you could actually see across to the other side!! We stay just a little bit ahead of the ballons, no more than 20 yards or so. My chip-time at half-way reads 1:45:19.

    We start off down that long green gorge. Then on mile 14 something happens that has never happened to me before when running. I get a stitch on my right-hand side :eek:. The arrival of the stitch coincides exactly with the arrival of the balloons from behind. Not a good moment. How long do stiches last? Please don’t say I’ll have to run the rest of the race with this! What if it gets worse?

    I fall in behind the slower of the two balloons and try to figure out what to do. Try to think over anything I’ve read about stitches, but as I never got one before I never paid too much attention. I think I read something about swinging your arms and taking deep breathes, but as soon as I tried to swing my right arm the stitch would get worse, so I abandoned that idea pretty promptly. I tried holding my arms down lower than I normally do. And this seemed to work. All the time I’m just focusing on the feet of the pacer in front of me. The stitch has more or less passed as I follow the pacer round the 15 mile mark. The two guys I started out with stayed with the further ahead ballon, I would catch an odd glimpse of them every so often over the next miles, but the next time I’d speak to them would be over a Guinness that night.

    I don’t catch the 15M clock-time (not sure there was a clock) but I’m right behind a balloon.

    M11 7:39
    M12 8:05
    M13 7:54
    M14 8:01
    M15 7:51

    Total 39:30

    Up until now it has not been difficult to stay alongside the pacers. But from mile 16 it starts to take a little bit more effort. More jellies. And for the first time I’m starting to think about how many miles are left. I like the idea of counting down 10 miles. There’s a nasty lip of tarmac running down the middle of the road before we start to rejoin the crowds of spectators, was lucky not to twist an ankle on it.

    Mentally I’m bracing myself for that horrible short hill that brings you off the South Link Road. I make sure to follow the balloons along the racing line on the right-hand side of the road. Up the hill and yeah it hurts. This was my least favourite part of the course from last year. A never-ending series of nondescript residential streets, and every second one seems to be on an incline. The elevation on my Garmin shows this is not my imagination, with miles 17 to 22 being the hilliest section of the course. Pretty cruel that, I’d sooner the race ran the opposite direction.

    After a few of these hills, around miles 18 or 19 I’m still with a balloon but I’m beginning to admit to myself that it’s unlikely I can stick with it for 8 more miles. I stay with the balloon until mile 20 and then it starts drifting slowly ahead.

    Legs are sore now. This is the fastest I’ve ever run 20 miles.

    M16 7:45
    M17 7:42
    M18 7:56
    M19 8:00
    M20 8:03

    Total 39:26

    Mile 21 is the beginning of the end. The balloon pulling away faster. Legs are getting more and more sore with every step. The balloon is gone around a corner in front of me, I see it maybe once more in the distance. And that’s it, it’s gone along with my sub 3:30. Breathing is ok and I’ve long forgotten about my stitch but I’m really alarmed at how quickly my legs are losing power.

    Around half-way into mile 21 I crash smack bang into a huge huge wall.

    I try some jellies and quickly spit them out cause I think I’m going to get sick. Another 5 miles of this!! I’m in trouble. Mile 21 was 8:14. But on mile 22 the Garmin is showing 9:00 min pace and it feels so so so much harder than the 8:00 miles I was doing only a little while ago. Manage a 9:02. I’m looking for any help I can get from the road-side. I grab an orange slice and that seems to work for a minute or so, tastes good and it’s nice just to chew on for a while. I should have grabbed more slices. The Garmin still shows 9:00 minute miles and the pace is dropping fast. This is incredible, it’s like somebody has just pulled a plug on me. I’m powerless to stop this collapse. If I get a cramp now that’s it, race over. Please don’t get a cramp.

    Somehow I manage to get a 9:17 on mile 23. The rate of pace loss increases rapidly now. Other marathon runners are passing me. I’m seeing 10:00 pace on the Garmin. The head is screaming at the legs to move but they just cannot respond. At this rate I’m going to be ‘running’ at walking pace very shortly. Ok near the end of mile 23 I decide to walk to the 24 mile marker, I’m hoping this will give me some respite, halt the decline and allow me to get back to 9:00 minute pace. It gives me respite yes but that’s all. I would walk 3 more stretches during the last 2 miles. Every time I run the pace is at least 10 minute miles. Please let this end. Guzzle down more water. Mile 24 is 10:17. Mile 25 is 10:33.

    M21 8:14
    M22 9:02
    M23 9:17
    M24 10:17
    M25 10:33
    Total 47:23

    Last mile and I know that even a 3:3X time is no longer possible. The only thing that keeps me ‘running’ now is the prospect of the 3:45 balloons arriving. I’ve hit the wall, there’s nothing I can do about that now. But if I can just keep ‘running’ I can make sure I don’t see those balloons. Pass the 26 mile marker, turn onto Patrick’s Street. Where’s that finish line. Eyes focused on the curve on the road, willing the finish line into sight. There it is. The anticipation of soon not having to run anymore is beautiful. No sprint finish today.

    Cross the line, hit the stop-button. 3:41:30.

    2 bananas, 2 mandarins, a Snickers duo, a bottle of regular coke.

    Where did I go wrong? Didn’t spend enough time on the road on my LSRs? Set myself a goal that was a little too ambitious for now? Didn’t get my food right on the eve of the race? I had a big lunch but a very light snack in the evening. An extra bowl of pasta might have postponed the wall for a mile or two more. Didn’t employ any gels either in training or during race.

    Mixed emotions. I missed my target by a little over 10 minutes. But I also PB’d by a little over 10 minutes. Finished 419 of 1379 finishers, which is the equivalent of finishing 30th in a race with 100 finishers, so not too shabby.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/90786697

    The 3:30 is going to be a monkey on my back now. I’m likely to try again. Domestic logistics mean that at the earliest it will be Dublin next year. Whatever about time, if I line-up in Dublin 2012, one of my targets will be avoid hitting the wall.

    No running for a least a full week now. Legs in fairness are not toooooo stiff today, and knees are grand. Calves are sore alright. And one toenail is hanging on by a fibre. Hope this latter won’t be a problem when starting Frank Duffy training.

    Title of the log asks for 4PBs, that’s one down :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 570 ✭✭✭slowsteady


    Great report. Sorry it didn't happen for you on Monday.

    Looking back over your log it is hard to pick out anything you did wrong, planned well, stuck to it very well, did your LSRs fairly comfortably, were running your PMPs and Tempos very easily, no serious injuries. Even your knee which you were concerned about didn't give you any bother.

    Preparation was A1 so maybe it was just an 'on the day' issue which haunts us all at one time or another. Still it must be hard to take with all the work you have put in.

    Onwards and upwards is all you can do from here and the Frank Duffy should be your next focus and with your training PBs you could do very well in that.

    As you said while 3:30 didn't happen it was still a PB and positive progress.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Great report.
    As Slowsteady says, very unlucky. I cannot see anything you did wrong in training. Just keep up the same kind of training and with more miles in the legs you should be good for Dublin.

    I would look into practicing with Gels before your next marathon though. They might not be the solution but the extra calories certainly can't do you any harm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭macinalli


    That's a great report, sorry it didn't work out on the day.

    From following your log you were very disciplined with sticking to your training plan, but I did find it an unusual plan. I just went back a few weeks and picked out a random week (week 10) where your plan was:
    • Easy 4M @ 8:35
    • Tempo 9M with 4M @ 7:30
    • Easy 4M @ 8:35
    • PMP 9M @ 7:45
    • LSR 19M @ 8:45
    My impression of this is that it's all done at close to the same speed: 8 mins +/- 45 seconds. Do you think that you would have benefited more from a bigger range in these paces? For example, the list above says that your PMP is 7.45 but you have only 4 miles per week faster than that, and even they are only slightly faster (7.30).

    Please don't take this as a criticism - I'm just curious as to why it didn't work on the day. As said above, the dedication was top notch but could the plan be improved?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    slowsteady wrote: »
    Great report. Sorry it didn't happen for you on Monday.

    Looking back over your log it is hard to pick out anything you did wrong, ….
    Preparation was A1 …. Still it must be hard to take with all the work you have put in.


    Thanks man. I’m trying to be glass half full and focus on the 10min PB rather than missing my goal by 10mins. I’ve been thinking a fair bit about my plan alright. I changed the structure of the plan a few times before starting out on week one, and I changed it again after Week 10, but I thought by the end it was working well for me. I suppose it did get me a PB.

    menoscemo wrote: »
    Great report.
    As Slowsteady says, very unlucky. I cannot see anything you did wrong in training.

    I would look into practicing with Gels before your next marathon though.


    Thanks Meno. I’ve been trying to figure out what I might have done wrong in training, though I don’t think plan was fully at fault. I think I might have underestimated the impact of my diet on Sunday, more of that below. I actually mentioned alright to one of the guys I was running with yesterday that I might try employing gels.

    macinalli wrote: »
    That's a great report, sorry it didn't work out on the day.

    From following your log you were very disciplined with sticking to your training plan, but I did find it an unusual plan. I just went back a few weeks and picked out a random week (week 10) where your plan was:
    · Easy 4M @ 8:35
    · Tempo 9M with 4M @ 7:30
    · Easy 4M @ 8:35
    · PMP 9M @ 7:45
    · LSR 19M @ 8:45
    My impression of this is that it's all done at close to the same speed: 8 mins +/- 45 seconds. Do you think that you would have benefited more from a bigger range in these paces? For example, the list above says that your PMP is 7.45 but you have only 4 miles per week faster than that, and even they are only slightly faster (7.30).

    Please don't take this as a criticism - I'm just curious as to why it didn't work on the day. As said above, the dedication was top notch but could the plan be improved?


    Thanks Macinalli. No worries, taking your comments as good positive criticism and food for analysis.

    I’ve been thinking a fair bit about what went wrong. I think there are two main items that tripped me up. But also I have to remember that there was never any guarantee, even with a great plan that I was going to get the 3:30. It was always going to be close, McMillan never had me under 3:30 (maybe once off a 4 mile time, but that doesn’t really count). Personally I was often optimistic but never confident that I’d get it. I always wondered if I was trying to improve too much too soon.

    - Diet -
    I think I made a big mistake on diet the day before :o. One of the guys I was running with made it home in 3:28. Now, he’s a better runner than me and can do 10 miles in 1:12, so I’m not surprised that he made it home with something to spare. He had a big bowl of pasta and garlic bread in the early evening before the race. Then he had cereal, toast and a banana around 2 hours before the race. I on the oher hand had eaten pasta most days during the week but on Sunday afternoon I had a big portion of chicken with a few small token potatoes. Sunday evening I ate really light, some fruit including 2 bananas, some biscuits and that’s about it. I had another banana before the race. I was paranoid about running feeling bloated, or having to make some emergency stops along the route. I think I scored an own goal there. If I had got another pasta dish into me and even a second banana on the morning, that could have postponed the wall. Even if it hit just two miles later, facing a wall on mile 24 sounds is a better proposition than on mile 22. My mate also ran with gels, I didn’t. They could have postponed the wall some more.

    - Plan -
    On my plan instead. Macinalli I know what you’re saying about broadening the range of paces. I modelled my plan on Higdon’s intermediate. He doesn’t have any sessions faster than PMP. I didn’t think this was a good idea, I felt I needed some sessions where the pace went the fast side of PMP. So instead of running actual PMP I ran my PMPs 15 seconds faster than 8 minute miles. I then also added the Wednesday tempos. These were initially 7:30 mile pace and that was pretty tough for me over the first few weeks. Actually I toned down the tempos after week 10 because I found I wasn’t recovering from them in time for the weekend’s running. After week 10 though I noticed my speed really improving, 7:30 felt like 7:45, I was running 7:15s and faster and enjoying it. Three consecutive 10M PBs without racing them. I think the speed side of my training was good.

    I’m not so sure about the slow side of PMP instead. All my LSRs felt easy. Even when I ran them a little faster than target. I never felt really tired on these and was never out of my comfort zone. I wonder if I should have run my LSRs in such a way that they replicated the marathon scenario a little bit better. That might have meant running further so my would legs would experience running with some extra tiredness. Maybe 20 mile LSRs weren’t long enough for me and I should have pushed out further, even to full marathon distance. Or maybe every second week I should have tried those LSRs that throw in some PMP miles near the end.

    I felt I was genuinely working with speed during my speed sessions, but I never felt I had to endure anything (other than some boredom at times) on my endurance sessions.

    Like I said above, I never doubted it would be close, so diet, including gels, and maybe an incorrect LSR strategy, could together have made the difference. I also probably should have tried pace the mile markers against the time showing on my watch rather than gun-time. When it’s tight every minute counts.

    Thanks again guys for the feedback.


  • Registered Users Posts: 570 ✭✭✭slowsteady


    Glad to see you are taking the positives out of Monday, it was still a good performance, just not what you hoped for.

    One other thing strikes me, you ran no other races in your preparation, perhaps a competitive 10k or half during the training plan might have given you a better idea of where you were. Training is all very well but the adrenalin rush of a race would give a real indication of where you are at.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    A full week has passed since I last put on my runners. Getting itchy now especially with the gorgeous weather outside. Plan is to do a very easy 4M this evening after work (if I can get out on time, otherwise it'll be tomorrow morning). Legs feel 95% ok, I'm dropping 5% because of a slightly tight left calf/heel. I've also got one dodgy toenail on each foot.

    Between now and Sunday I just plan on doing 2 or 3 light runs. Then next week I start training proper for Frank Duffy. I'm slowly cobbling together a training plan in my head. I'll have 9 weeks to get ready. The last week will be a taper and I know that weeks 3 and 4 will be interrupted because of work and travel. So really I have 6 weeks of training.

    Haven't fixed a target-time yet but a training PB of 1:15:24 suggests I should at least be hoping for sub-75, although this is a Garmin 10M without a racing line to follow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Managed to get out of work on time. Get home and on with the gear and out the door for my first post-marathon run.

    Set off at a comfortable pace and pay attention to my legs. A few clicks and cracks and the odd twinge from right leg. But nothing alarming. Left knee had me a bit worried for the first mile, no pain but a soft clunky sensation. A bit like what I used have in my right knee (which turned out to be a cyst). Seemed to sort itself out by the end of the run.

    4.4M @ 8:34

    My Garmin wasn't recognized when I tried to load run this evening and I lost data. If that had happened one run earlier I would not have been very happy.

    Oh and my first mile tonight brought me over 700 miles for the year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Brand new shiny training plan in place for Frank Duffy.

    Less is more. I’m dropping down to 4 days a week. Each week will have a recovery run, a steady pace run, a speed session, and long slow-ish run. I’m going to train with a 7:30 as target race pace and hope to go sub 75 on race day.

    Tuesdays for Recovery Runs
    Every Tuesday a 5M recovery at 8:45 pace. Nice and easy to start the week.

    Wednesdays for Steady Runs
    Up the pace on Wednesdays and run 5M at 7:45 pace. Marathon training helped me establish 7:45 as a comfortable enough pace. I want to maintain that base. Then I’ll have 2 days to rest up before the weekend.

    Saturdays for Speed Work
    I’ll alternate intervals with time-trials on Saturdays. I’ll start with 6x400 and move up to 8x400, all at 6:20 pace. Haven’t run intervals in ages. The time-trials will be at race pace of 7:30 and will build from 6Ms up to 8Ms.

    Sundays for Long Runs
    What to ensure that my legs don’t forget what 10 miles feels like. These will be runs ranging from 8 to 12 miles all run at a handy 8:30 pace.

    First run is in the morning and I can’t wait to get going :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭macinalli


    I think that this is a good idea - you can't train hard all the time and you should have a strong base already from the marathon. The main thing that stands out to me is the timing of the sessions. You have a recovery run on Tuesday but no session on Monday to recover from? You also have a track session Saturday followed by long run on Sunday. To me the start of the week seems too easy, the end of the week too hard!

    My other comment is on the pace - have you ever looked at the McMillan running calculator? Using a 75 min time for 10 miles, McMillan suggests that the pace for your steady run is fine but your intervals are too slow (should be 95-100 sec per lap) and your long is a bit too fast. Also, have you a time in mind for recovery between intervals?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭macinalli


    One other thing! My understanding of track is that it's a gradual benefit from doing this week after week - do you need the time trial? I think it might be useful every 4-6 weeks to see where you're at, but doing it every 2nd week could just dilute the benefit from the track? From doing Cork I think you should have buckets of stamina so you should keep a focus for now on improving your speed.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    As always thanks for the feedback Macinalli.

    I agree with you completely about the timing of my runs. I’d prefer to do my intervals mid-week. It’s a question of logistics though. Best time I can run on weekdays is the mornings when the little one is sound in her cot. I can’t depend on being able to get out in the evenings after work. I don’t like running fast first thing in the morning so the intervals are moved to Saturday. Same with the longer run, anything over 5 miles before work and bed seems a whole lot more comfy in the morning. But yeah I know, the weekend is heavy compared to mid-week.

    I use the word ‘recovery’ a bit loosely, I just want an easy run with which to start the week the purpose of which is to gently work out any residual tiredness from the weekend’s efforts.

    I actually looked at McMillan before cobbling together my plan. I keyed in 1:14:59 for 10 mile and looked at speed work outs for middle-distance runners and saw 1:32 to 1:36 per interval. Am I looking in the right place? I think this is around 6:20 pace, need to revisit Excel to be sure to be sure.
    My intervals are poor man’s intervals, they’ll be done on the cycle-path around the playing fields in Phoenix. I’ll have the Garmin set to 400ms laps and I’ll run 400ms fast then 400ms recovery. Not sure what will be recovery pace, I’m kind of waiting for the first session to get a better idea.

    Time-trial is for piece of mind really. I know me and I know I’ll want feedback on a regular basis. I liked that during the marathon training when I was running 10M at faster than PMP every second week for three fortnights. I’ll think about this one a bit more though, I had planned 4 time-trials between now and August 20th, I might reduce that alright to 2 or 3.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    wow great honest marathon report. didnt see it till now.
    strikes a chord with me as i'm half thinking of doing dub 2011 and where a sub 3:30 would be my goal altho for now im mostly still concentrating on 10km's. have done two dub maras before so as i read your report i could literally feel your pain altho for me it was from mile 16 on.
    keep it up anyhow. great report.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    wow great honest marathon report. didnt see it till now.
    strikes a chord with me as i'm half thinking of doing dub 2011 and where a sub 3:30 would be my goal altho for now im mostly still concentrating on 10km's. have done two dub maras before so as i read your report i could literally feel your pain altho for me it was from mile 16 on.
    keep it up anyhow. great report.

    Thanks. Yeah I was in Cork again last weekend and walking along the quays opposite the Opera House it was very easy to remember how unpleasant it was. I hate the wall. Two marathons and two walls. My first marathon I was happy to get under 4 hrs, the second marathon I was happy to PB. But in both cases I was unhappy about how I got to the finishing line. I'm toying with the idea of trying Cork again next year, off 4 day weeks maybe and spread across maybe 24 weeks. The monkey's restless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Back on the road :).

    Up and out before work. Overcast and damp but warm. trying out my Cork t-shirt for the first time, it's good, nice soft and light, I like it.

    Pacing a bit random. The first mile the legs were definitely stiff and unresponsive. Already by mile 2 though they had woken up and the pace picked up. No aches or clicks or cracks or twinges. Toenails the only problem. I reckon you'd get 5/1 on the dodgy second toe on my left foot not making it to race-day. While you'd probably get 8/1 on the same toe on the right foot.

    Need to get to bed now, 5 miles at 7:45 first thing in the morning. Good to be back following a plan.

    M01 9:27
    M02 8:19
    M03 8:35
    M04 8:34
    M05 8:43

    Total 5.11M @ 8:44

    Week 1 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.11|8:44
    Steady 5M @ 7:45||
    Intervals 6x400M @ 6:20||
    LSR 8M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    Great race report!

    It was a rough finish but you pb'd convincingly and stuck with it, that mental toughness can't be bought.

    Well done!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Up and out early again this morning. During marathon training I'd do a warm-up before running at 7:45 pace, I'm dropping that now. Warm-ups instead for speed work on Saturdays.

    I'm definitely noticing that the legs feel heavy, dull and sluggish for the firts mile or so of my runs. There must still be some tiredness from Cork, or it's an effect of nearly 2 weeks without running. After mile 1 though the run was grand and I spent more time trying to slow down than trying to speed up.

    Looking forward to intervals now on Saturday. On 4 days running a week I think I'm going to spend more time thinking about running than before. It seems a long way to wait for Saturday morning. I guess it keeps me hungry.

    500.62 miles on my 'new' Nimbus. Need to go shopping this weekend I think.

    M01 7:49
    M02 7:40
    M03 7:31
    M04 7:34
    M05 7:42

    Total 5.03M @ 7:40

    Week 1 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.11|8:44
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.03|7:40
    Intervals 6x400M @ 6:20||
    LSR 8M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Switched the Garmin to 400m laps and trotted over to the Papal Cross. Hadn't a clue what pace I was running at, ran at what felt like 9:00 min miles. Turns out to be 2.70 miles at 8:46 pace.

    Ok reset the Garmin and off I go around the cycle path by the playing fields.

    Start with a recovery (from what?) 400m. Then first interval, I run on feel aiming for anywhere between 1:30 and 1:35. I complete it 1:33. Ok that was alright, thought it was a little faster, but grand. Second interval is my fastest at 1:28. Interval number three is mostly uphill and I'm already feeling tired, yikes. Log 1:30. Only half-way. Interval 4 and I'm watching the distance build on the watch. C'mon. Maybe 6 intervals was a little too ambitious for my first interval session? It's been almost a year since I last ran this session. Log a 1:34. Recovery times have dropped and I don't care. Work the lungs on interval 5, not as tiring as I thought this one would be 1:31. Ok last one is ok just cause it's the last one. Lungs on overtime, wait for the beep ..... wait for the beep ....... 'Beep' ..... Stop-button ...... walk. Finish with a 1:33.

    Happy with that. Target pace for the intervals was 6:20 and my average was 6:08. The recovery times were optimistic at the start before averaging at 8:19 pace. Forgotten how much fun intervals are. Enjoyed that :).

    Warm-up 2.70M @ 8:46

    Recovery Interval
    2:04 (8:20) 1:33 (6:17)
    1:53 (7:36) 1:28 (5:55)
    1:58 (7:56) 1:30 (6:03)
    2:10 (8:46) 1:34 (6:20)
    2:07 (8:33) 1:31 (6:09)
    2:12 (8:54) 1:33 (6:16)
    Averages
    2:04 (8:19) 1:32 (6:08)

    Warm-down 2.54M @ 8:49

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/94720258

    Total Distance 8.23M

    Week 1 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.11|8:44
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.03|7:40
    Intervals 6x400M @ 6:20|8.43M for the day|6:08 (recovery 8:19)
    LSR 8M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun



    Ran too fast today. Out at 9:00. Mate from work joined me for the guts of this one. Aiming for 8:30 but the pace kept creeping up. Felt good for the whole run. That's one week down. I'm happy enough with this 4 day plan so far and enjoying the increase in session speeds. Definitely feel more up for each run.

    M01 8:12
    M02 8:26
    M03 8:25
    M04 8:20
    M05 8:32
    M06 8:36
    M07 8:26
    M08 8:06

    Total 8:33M @ 8:23

    Week 1 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.11|8:44
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.03|7:40
    Intervals 6x400M @ 6:20|8.43M for the day|6:08 (recovery 8:19)
    LSR 8M @ 8:30|8.33|8:23


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Woke about 9 minutes before I had planned to head out for this morning's run. Really didn't fancy getting up but one look outside made my mind up for me, absolutely gorgeous out. Proper summer's morning run. Apart from mile 2 I paced really well. Mile two is often too quick. I think this because I set of on mile one quite slowly and then gradually pick up the speed. Then on mile 2 instead of holding the pace I hold that level of acceleration.

    Went to JD sports at the weekend, they had good deals on Kayanos and some other Asics but no Nimbus. I'll shop around a bit more seriously next weekend.

    Ok again it's past my bedtime and I've a busy 5 miler first thing

    M01 8:48
    M02 8:17
    M03 8:45
    M04 8:47
    M05 8:53

    Total 5:10M @ 8:42

    Week 2 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.10|8:42
    Steady 5M @ 7:45||
    PRP 6M @ 7:30||
    LSR 10M @ 8:30||


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    i love my kayanos. they just the business. im always on teh look out for good deals on them. think i saw arnotts €105 and elverys €107 if im not mistaken.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭neilc


    Fantastic race report, sorry you didn't achieve your goal in the end. Your story resonates strongly with me because the goal for my next marathon in September is the exact same as yours was for Cork. Having ran straight into the wall on my last two marathons hoping to avoid it next time :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    i love my kayanos. they just the business. im always on teh look out for good deals on them. think i saw arnotts €105 and elverys €107 if im not mistaken.

    Now don't quote me on this but I think the kayanos were on sale for 80 something in JD. I've been mostly injury-free with nimbus so I'm reluctant to change model. If it ain't broken . . .


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    neilc wrote: »
    Fantastic race report, sorry you didn't achieve your goal in the end. Your story resonates strongly with me because the goal for my next marathon in September is the exact same as yours was for Cork. Having ran straight into the wall on my last two marathons hoping to avoid it next time :)

    Thanks man. Sounds crazy but the one think I would change about Cork 2011 if I was doing it again is I would have had a big pasta feed the night before. May not have prevented me from hitting the wall, instead of blowing up on 22 I might have blown up on 24. Good luck in September.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Long hours at work at the moment. Yesterday morning I was just too tired to get up and out. Ran my steady run this morning instead after a better night's sleep. Beautiful out these mornings.

    Ran this run more like a tempo run than a steady run. Didn't feel as sluggish and unresponsive at the start as I have done on the last few runs. On mile three I checked watch and was stunned to see 7:05 pace, admittedly it was on a downhill section but still. Slow down.

    Finished with a 7:40 pace average. Feeling good.

    Walked to work then listening to Desiree Ficker interview from episode 45 of Marathon Talk. Very positive interview.

    M01 7:46
    M02 7:34
    M03 7:28
    M04 7:43
    M05 7:46

    Total 5:05M @ 7:40

    Week 2 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.10|8:42
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.05|7:40
    PRP 6M @ 7:30||
    LSR 10M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Warm-up across to the Park. Reset Garmin. This is the first time I've set out to run this far at 7:30 pace, so just a little apprehensive.

    Mile 1 up Chesterfield. First time I check my pace it's 7:12, ok slow down. I ease up a bit but not enough logging 7:20 on first mile. I know that's too fast especially as mile one is all uphill. Ten seconds in the bank. Mile 2, legs feel a bit heavy and instead of a nice clip-clip-clip cadence it's slap-slap-slap along the path. Need to pick up new shoes later today. Mile 2 logs at 7:33. Seven seconds up. Mile 3 brings me down Ordnance and I start to feel a bit looser; 7:28. Nine seconds up.

    When I run with target pace 7:45 I'd often enough log these times and it doesn't feel particularly difficult. It feels harder now though just cause I'm targeting 7:30, more pressure on. Lot of running is in the head. Mile 4 is another 7:28. 11 seconds up. Mile 5 has the hill up from Chapelizod Gate and hills around S-bends. This is slowest mile at 7:37. Four seconds up. I pick up the pace on mile 6, want to gain some seconds on the descent toward the bottom of Kyber. I manage to keep some of that extra momentum going to bring me up the hill towards the Monument. 7:12 on final mile 6. Finish 22 seconds ahead of my 45 min target. Felt hard for sure but not incredibly difficult. Some water, catch my breath and warm-down home.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/96273038

    Warm-up 1.26M @ 9:15

    M01 7:20
    M02 7:33
    M03 7:28
    M04 7:28
    M05 7:37
    M06 7:12

    Total 6:00M @ 7:26

    Warm-down 1.18M @ 9:04

    8.44 miles for the day.

    Got a pair of Nimbus 13s in Elvery's for €92 in the afternoon.
    Retiring current pair after 535.76 miles.

    Week 2 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.10|8:42
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.05|7:40
    PRP 6M @ 7:30|6.00|7:26
    LSR 10M @ 8:30||


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    First run for my new Nimbus 13s today. I starting running before 9:00 this morning and it was already hot out. If I had sun-cream in the house I would have put some on. Shoes feel comfortable right from the start. No slap-slap-slap cadence today.

    Pacing was all over the place, couldn't find the 8:30 sweet spot and the run was a series of over-compensations and under-compensations. Still managed to come home with an 8:29 average. Legs felt grand.

    Ok that's week two done, now due to work/travel week three is going to be a bit like the middle week of the Six Nations, a large gap before and after. I won't be running again until next Saturday, I'll get week three done and then more travel means there'll be a 5 day gap before week 4 can start. I hope these breaks won't interrupt my momentum too much.


    M01 8:40
    M02 8:17
    M03 8:22
    M04 8:19
    M05 8:45
    M06 8:36
    M07 8:16
    M08 8:43
    M09 8:32
    M10 8:23

    Total 10:15M @ 8:29

    Week 2 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.10|8:42
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.05|7:40
    PRP 6M @ 7:30|6.00|7:26
    LSR 10M @ 8:30|10.15|8:29


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Yesterday afternoon Superman decided he'd go for a 10 miler at 8:30 pace after:
    • 2 flights, one of which was 11 hours of long haul.
    • 6 days of inactivity.
    • 6 hours sleep in the previous day and a half
    • a bowl of cereal in the air at 4:30BST that morning
    Superman hit a big wall of kryptonite on mile 6. It was like a mini replay of Cork. Energy drained away, legs turning to lead, 4 miles seeming like an enormous distance. This is proof positive for me of the importance of diet and sleep. Convinced now that a proper meal on the night before Cork would have improved my time (let it go, let it go).

    I reformulated my training week while running yesterday. Decided Sunday would be a rest day, then Monday recovery, Tuesday steady and Wednesday evening would be intervals (I can run evenings this week).

    M01 8:27
    M02 8:25
    M03 8:28
    M04 8:28
    M05 8:31
    M06 8:45
    M07 8:36
    M08 8:45
    M09 8:51
    M10 8:51

    Total 10:15M @ 8:37

    Week 3 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    LSR 10M @ 8:30|10.15|8:37
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45||
    Steady 5M @ 7:45||
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Week 3 is a write-off. :(

    Apart from a very well paced recovery run on Monday night. Tuesday morning the bed won. I was just too tired in the morning and I was going out Tuesday evening. Then tonight I was looking forward to an interval session but then didn't get home from work until nearly 10. I fly again tomorrow and I won't be running until next Tuesday. But at least I don't expect any more interruptions before race day. That gives me 5 full weeks of training (last week will be a taper). I need to rethink how best to run over these weeks.

    M01 8:38
    M02 8:46
    M03 8:46
    M04 8:43
    M05 8:45

    Total 5:16M @ 8:43

    Week 3 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    LSR 10M @ 8:30|10.15|8:37
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.16|8:43
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|Didn't run|
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20|Didn't run|


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Lost my first toe-nail :)

    Tiny tiny sprout of a new one already in place.

    Desperate to get back running after the last two weeks of travel/work induced runlessness.

    Will spend tomorrow thinking a lot about the best 5 week plan to hit 1:14:59 at Frank Duffy.

    Can't wait to run again on Tuesday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Right there's 5 weeks to go before race day. I haven't decided yet how the 5th week will be but the plan for the other 4 is pretty simple.

    Each week I'll have two 5mile weekday runs, one at 8:45 pace and one at 7:45 pace. Over the four weeks I'll have two interval sessions of 6x400 at 6:20 pace: and I'll have two PRP runs, one over 6 miles and one over 8 miles. I'll have 4 Sunday LSRs ranging from 8 to 12 miles. I have one eye on the Dublin Half Marathon in all this. Plan for the HM includes stepping the intervals up to 8x400.

    Don't know if the above will be enough to break under 75mins or not. I feel as though the last two weeks I've lost momentum and some form. Might all be in my head.

    Got out this morning for an easy 5 miles. Unhappy that I ran too fast missing my 8:45 target my a bit. But at the same time happy that it felt easy for the whole run.

    M01 8:34
    M02 8:22
    M03 8:41
    M04 8:27
    M05 8:39

    Total 5:13M @ 8:33

    Week 4 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.13|8:33
    Steady 5M @ 7:45||
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20||
    LSR 12M @ 8:30||


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Out into the rain before 7 this morning. Set off at a nice clip and felt good from the start. I like running in the rain. I like the splish-splish-splish foot fall. My loop brings me up the hill along the Luas line by Heuston and I shot past another runner there, felt good. The whole 5 miles I was making a half-hearted effort at slowing down. Today and yesterday my discipline with pacing has been poor but in both sessions I've been really happy with how I felt. This is the first time I've run fast in over 2 weeks and I'm really pleased that I haven't lost the pace I feared I might have.

    Twigged late that the Liberties Fun Run started and finished more or less on my doorstep. Was half tempted to run it this evening! Next year.

    M01 7:32
    M02 7:39
    M03 7:31
    M04 7:39
    M05 7:29

    Total 5:04M @ 7:34

    Week 4 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.13|8:33
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.04|7:34
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20||
    LSR 12M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Gorgeous clear blue sky, not too hot at 9 when I head out. Great to start the weekend with a run in the park in these conditions. Legs feel heavy enough on my warm up over to the playing fields. Reset Garmin and I start off around the cycle path.

    First interval is grand really. Rule of thumb target is 1:30 to 1:34. I hit 1:30 spot-on, I'm pretty good at getting this pace right. Second interval make point of holding head up high and try to keep neat posture, 1:28. Third interval is mostly up hill. I love dashing past other runners when on a fast 400. My recovery 400 between interval 3 and 4 is interrupted my a herd of deer taking their time to cross the path. Interval number 4 is my fastest at 1:25. This definitely thanks to the guy on roller-blades that I was determined to overtake. Interval 5 is another 1:30. And I finish interval 6 with a 1:29.

    Overall a tough session, but not as tough as my previous interval session a few weeks back. I like intervals. Average interval 1:29 or 5:57 pace. Average recovery a bit slower than last time out (even allowing for the deer) at 8:37. Looking forward to next 6x400 already.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/101060199

    Warm-up 2.43M @ 9:02

    Recovery Interval
    2:04 (8:20) 1:30 (6:04)
    2:08 (8:35) 1:28 (5:56)
    2:07 (8:34) 1:30 (6:05)
    2:15 (9:04) 1:25 (5:45) deer crossing on recovery
    2:06 (8:29) 1:30 (6:05)
    2:11 (8:50) 1:29 (6:02)
    Averages
    2:08 (8:37) 1:29 (5:57)

    Warm-down 2.59M @ 8:53

    Week 4 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.13|8:33
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.04|7:34
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20|8.00M for the day|5:57
    LSR 12M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    I was anxious to get a run of this distance done. I knew my last 10 miler done of a long-haul flight was a struggle because of the flight, lack of sleep and food. But I still just needed to be 100% convinced that this was the case :rolleyes:.

    Overcast and warm for this one on Sunday morning. After 400ms my Garmin goes beep. Saturday's intervals. For about 2 seconds I thought about running 12 miles in 400ms chunks. Ok, stopped switched Garmin back to miles and 1 mile autolap. Decided to run up around the zoo road, hardly ever go up that side of the park. It's a bit more interesting that the straight pull up Chesterfield. Once I find my rythm I pace this run pretty well never straying too far from target pace. Run was fine an put to bed my last 10 miler. Felt comfortable the whole way round and could have gone on for more miles if I had to. This is the longest and furthest I've been on the road since Cork.

    Also noticed that the Frank Duffy route is changed this year. I will be very very familar with large stretches of the route now as I nearly always run down Ordnance, down Military Road, through the S-bends to Wellington and up Chesterfield. I'm quite happy about that. A little concerned about mile 10 though and that nasty hill up to the hospital.

    M01 8:28
    M02 8:12
    M03 8:31
    M04 8:21
    M05 8:26
    M06 8:27
    M07 8:34
    M08 8:32 (brings up 800 for the year)
    M09 8:25
    M10 8:31
    M11 8:30
    M12 8:28

    Total 12:16M @ 8:28

    Week 4 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.13|8:33
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.04|7:34
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20|8.00 for the day|5:57
    LSR 12M @ 8:30|12.16|8:28


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Legs never really woke up during this morning's run. They felt heavy and stiff on miles 1 to 3 and a little less heavy and stiff on miles 4 and 5. So now I'm a little concerned about tomorrow morning's planned 5 at 7:45 pace.

    While walking home from work I started to listen to a very interesting interview with Prof Tim Noakes on episode 47 of Marathon Talk. Worth listening to, theory that the brain is the governing organ when we're out running.

    M01 8:52
    M02 8:37
    M03 8:44
    M04 8:39
    M05 8:45

    Total 5:09M @ 8:43

    Week 5 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.09|8:43
    Steady 5M @ 7:45||
    PRP 6M @ 7:30||
    LSR 10M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    As happens sometimes I woke with only a few minutes to the latest I could start my run and still get to work on time. First thought was to postpone until tomorrow, but it was just so gorgeous out. Switched into auto-pilot hopped out of bed and grabbed my shoes from outside.

    I think 5 miles at 7:45 pace straight out of bed on a weekday morning will never be very appealing. The sooner I'm in my gear and running the better, cause once I start going it's never that bad.

    Again I'm pleased with my pace, or rather I'm pleased with how I felt at that pace. I'm running these probably just a little too fast. Listening to Tim Noakes yesterday didn't help. If you ever need to push yourself on a run just listen to that interview (Marathon talk episode 47). The run itself is grand I just don't want to jeopardize my key speed session on Saturdays. Want to arrive at Saturday feeling fresh.

    On mile two I nearly pick up the weirdest injury ever. It's sunny, it's warm some sweat in my eyes and I'm squinting. A sudden trick of the light makes a ray of sunshine look like a string running from somewhere across the road and connected to a ballard to my right. I pull up really fast before I garrotte myself! Jolt my left knee in the process. Realise what happened. Oops. One commuter walking neaby must have thought, who's this crazy Marcel Marceau runner. Could feel a little twinge in knee for next mile or two, passed and feels grand now.

    M01 7:28
    M02 7:41
    M03 7:38
    M04 7:34
    M05 7:39

    Total 5:06M @ 7:37

    Week 5 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.09|8:43
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.06|7:37
    PRP 6M @ 7:30||
    LSR 10M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    :(:(:( Huge Fail :(:(:(

    Had been looking forward to this run. Warm-up over to Phoenix. Legs felt a bit heavy and stiff but nothing out of the ordinary. Start into my session proper. Start a bit too fast and spend the first mile gradually slowing down. I log a 7:31. This is fine apart from the fact that both calves/shins feel very very tired. Footfall is very flat as well. Halfway into mile 2 and it's not getting any better, still tired and sore. I can tell this is not just usual start of run stiffness. Mile 2 logs at 7:56. Halfway into mile 3 I resign myself to a fail. I'm not enjoying this one bit, 8:01. Miles 4 and 5 I give up and just plod along uncomfortably. I try to pick the pace up on the last mile and manage a 7:50.

    What happened? I think I know, from my last post talking about my Wednesday steady run:
    outforarun wrote: »
    I'm running these probably just a little too fast. ...... The run itself is grand I just don't want to jeopardize my key speed session on Saturdays. Want to arrive at Saturday feeling fresh.

    I'm running too fast on Wednesday. I set Wednesday runs at 7:45 pace because while marathon training 7:45 became a very doable pace. However while marathon training I was only aiming for 7:45 once a week. This was the case when I set a series of 10 mile training PBs. Now instead I'm aiming to run 7:45 on Wednesdays (and actually running 7:3X), and then expecting to run further and faster on Saturday. Effectively I'm doing two fast sessions one after the other. I pretty sure that this is what's wrong.

    Solution? Drop pace on Wednesday runs to no faster than 8:00, that's at least 30 seconds slower than race pace. I think also I might extend my target ranges but, speed sessions excepted, really really really insist on not going faster than the faster end of the range. I need to be more disciplined.

    My four day week would then consist of:

    Recovery at 8:45 to 9:00
    Steady at 8:00 to 8:15
    Speed PRP at 7:30 or Intervals at 6:20
    Long at 8:30 to 8:45

    Confidence took a blow today. I have to see it as a lesson learned and be grateful that I didn't learn this lesson on race day.

    Warm-up 1.27M @ 9:10

    M01 7:31
    M02 7:56
    M03 8:01
    M04 8:39
    M05 8:58
    M06 7:50

    Total 6:01M @ 8:09

    Warm-down 1.20M @ 9:13

    Week 5 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.09|8:43
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.06|7:37
    PRP 6M @ 7:30|6.01|8:09
    LSR 10M @ 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Following on from yesterday's mail I adopted a new approach to pacing and ran maybe the best paced session of the year to date.

    After how my legs felt yesterday I really didn't know what to expect on today's run. I needn't have worried, legs felt grand the whole way round. I focused 100% on not exceeding maximum target pace. So instead of trying to get as close to 8:30 as possible I focused on not going faster than 8:30 on any single mile. I still maintain a target range by setting a minimum pace of 8:45. The 15" allows for how I feel on the day and allows for hilly miles.

    I think this approach works really well for me. Before I'd be too focused on getting as close to 8:30 as possible and I'd be keeping tabs on how many seconds up or down I was mile by mile. I'd always end up running miles in 8:2X and nearly always finish with an average speed greater than 8:30. Not today - the 15" buffer takes a lot of pressure off, I don't focus on splits just log the mile as good or bad depending on whether or not it falls within 8:45 or 8:30.

    Today all miles were logged as good, all 8:3X and with an average overall pace of 8:35. Really satisfying , controlled and disciplined session. :)

    I overtook a big group of runners (travelling at what I reckon was 9:00 pace) as they came in the Chapelizod Gate and up the hill to the right. Wonder was there any boardsies there, I was the guy in the bright green t-shirt running on the road.


    M01 8:34
    M02 8:31
    M03 8:32
    M04 8:39
    M05 8:39
    M06 8:35
    M07 8:34
    M08 8:35
    M09 8:34
    M10 8:31

    Total 10:21M @ 8:35



    Week 5 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 8:45|5.09|8:43
    Steady 5M @ 7:45|5.06|7:37
    PRP 6M @ 7:30|6.01|8:09
    LSR 10M @ max 8:30 min 8:45|10.21|8:35


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Up and out just gone 7 this morning. My new pacing approach has a novelty factor that has me looking forward to this run; enjoy the challenge of staying within range. Recovery to be run between 9:00 and maximum 8:45. For the second session in a row I keep each mile within target. Calves were stiff enough for the first 2 miles before eventually loosening up. Legs feel good for the rest of the day. Curious to see how tomorrow's run goes.

    M01 8:58
    M02 8:53
    M03 8:53
    M04 8:49
    M05 8:48

    Total 5.09M @ 8:52

    Week 5 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 9:00 to max 8:45|5.09|8:52
    Steady 5M @ 8:15 to max 8:00||
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20||
    LSR 10M @ 8:45 to max 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Up and out at 7 yesterday morning. Calves definitely stiff for the first mile and a half but it passes. Another successfully paced run, although mile one nearly spoiled the set. An 8:07 average pace is exactly 30" a mile slower than the same run last week, so hopefully come Saturday my legs will be more up to the task than last Saturday. Intervals are planned and I think that's better than a sustained effort tempo.

    Been thinking race strategy. Despite last Saturday's fail I'm still targeting 74:59. I'm thinking about trying to keep each of the first 7 miles between 7:45 and max 7:30. From experience I know that sometimes when aiming for 7:45 pace I achieve 7:3X pace without the stress of aiming for 7:30. I know that if I try to stay between 7:45 and 7:30 I'm likely to err on the side of speed so hopefully I'd average around 7:35 pace. I'd plan then on stepping up the pace over the last three miles aiming for 7:10 to 7:20 pace. Hopefully I'll be fresh enough after 7 miles to give it a good shot. Even if I don't get 1:14:59 I would hope to still get an official PB.

    M01 8:00
    M02 8:12
    M03 8:09
    M04 8:04
    M05 8:06

    Total 5.08M @ 8:07

    Week 5 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 9:00 to max 8:45|5.09|8:52
    Steady 5M @ 8:15 to max 8:00|5.08|8:07
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20||
    LSR 10M @ 8:45 to max 8:30||


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Mixed feelings after today's interval session. But overall I'm happy because I didn't have another fail like last Saturday, that I guess was my main concern before today's session. I'm getting tired of running in overcast and warm conditions, I'd much prefer to be out in showery conditions.

    Warm-up over to the playing fields. Running a little faster than I should maybe at 8:49 pace. Stop and switch Garmin to kilometers, 400m laps. Off I go. First interval feels grand and I hit 1:29. I know I'm aiming for 1:30 to 1:34 but Saturday is all about speed so if I run a little too fast I'm not worried about it. End of second interval, 1:25 and I'm happy to have 400ms recovery. Third interval is mostly uphill always feels tough but all the same I bank another 1:29. Not looking forward to the remaining intervals. Interval 4 is 1:28. Ok, I know me, I know I'll want to stay under 1:30 for each interval now. I'm enjoying the recovery 400ms more than I should. Interval 5 is another 1:28. Ok just one more, mostly uphill though. Last 100ms and lungs working overtime, burning I guess. Hit stop, drop bottle, hands on knees, 60" to catch my breath. Reset to miles and warm-down back home.

    Load up run to Garmin, see that on interval 6 I completed a hat-trick of 1:28s. Mixed emotions: :) I kept under 1:30 on each interval for a 5:54 average, my fastest to date. :( that my recoveries were slower than the felt with a 8:54 average.

    I like this session and I think rather than increase the intervals to 8x400 for the Dublin Half Marathon, I'll work on keeping the intervals under 1:30 and try get the recoveries down to under 2:00 average.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/104382367

    Warm-up 2.41M @ 8:49

    Recovery Interval
    2:04 (8:20) 1:29 (5:59)
    2:08 (8:38) 1:25 (5:43)
    2:09 (8:40) 1:29 (5:59)
    2:19 (9:19) 1:28 (5:54)
    2:16 (9:09) 1:28 (5:56)
    2:20 (9:25) 1:28 (5:56)
    Averages
    2:13 (8:54) 1:28 (5:54)

    Warm-down 2.63M @ 9:04

    Week 5 Session Targets|Actual Distance|Actual Pace
    Recovery 5M @ 9:00 to max 8:45|5.09|8:52
    Steady 5M @ 8:15 to max 8:00|5.08|8:07
    Intervals 6x400 @ 6:20|8.03M for the day|5:54
    LSR 10M @ 8:45 to max 8:30||


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