Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

flazio · 28-12-2020 12:23am

Bring back the grooves.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 12:43am

flazio wrote: »

Bring back the grooves.

Unthank

Burkie1203 · 28-12-2020 9:48am

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

I have no idea. Long gone are the days when there was refueling and drivers drove the cars to their limit all race. Take away refueling, add engine penalties etc and the spectacle has been reduced. It's really hard to know (from my very limited knowledge) how they would be able to manufacture tyres that are more robust but go off the cliff after a short X amount of laps. Maybe the suggestion to use all three compounds in a race would then ensure enough variables in a race to make it entertaining again.

Sprinklers. Or random safety cars

Infoanon · 28-12-2020 12:29pm

It is really hard to see beyond another championship for Lewis and Mercedes. The numbers don't lie. Max will be closer and with Perez as #2 (on a one year contract ) Honda may get the manufacturers championship they want.

Apart from that - following the 'it takes 3 years to catch back up' rule Ferrari will struggle again.

Aston Martin / Racing Point should fall behind with McLaren moving higher up the grid along with Renault.

Podiums of Lewis,Max joined by either Bottas or Perez will be de riguer in 2021 imho

pjohnson · 28-12-2020 1:31pm

Infoanon wrote: »

It is really hard to see beyond another championship for Lewis and Mercedes. The numbers don't lie. Max will be closer and with Perez as #2 (on a one year contract ) Honda may get the manufacturers championship they want.

Apart from that - following the 'it takes 3 years to catch back up' rule Ferrari will struggle again.

Aston Martin / Racing Point should fall behind with McLaren moving higher up the grid along with Renault.

Podiums of Lewis,Max joined by either Bottas or Perez will be de riguer in 2021 imho

Ric should be there or there abouts. They'll certainly be hoping they can mix it with Red Bull anyway.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 1:46pm

I’d imagine Red Bull will close the gap somewhat, and max might beat Bottas, but it’s hard to imagine Perez beating Bottas.

I’d say it could be a fairly handy constructor’s and driver’s championship get merc. But I will probably be closer with the advantage of RB being slightly more competitive and a better driver lineup.

This year RB scored 319 to Mercedes 573. RB scored 56% of Mercedes total. Even a huge improvement wouldn’t be enough.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 1:49pm

Engine development could be very significant next year.

Ferrari is developed new engine so hoped that will be a significant improvement over this year.

And Honda pulling out could mean they cut development for next year’s engine. Hard to know what will happen.

Has Red Bull done a deal to buy the engine technology yet or is it likely to happen at all? Red bull going back to Renault means they are out of realistic contention for the foreseeable future.

Infoanon · 28-12-2020 2:07pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Has Red Bull done a deal to buy the engine technology yet or is it likely to happen at all? Red bull going back to Renault means they are out of realistic contention for the foreseeable future.

Renault has arguably the second best engine now.

Red Bull is at the mercy of the other manufacturers, primarily Mercedes, in terms of what engine development will be allowed post Hondas departure - the politics of this will keep the hacks busy for a few months

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 2:40pm

A few more season review points which were interesting were around Mercedes in the last race and racing point finishing fourth in the championship.

Mercedes lack of pace is supposedly explained by their use of new suspension on the car for this weekend. It’s going to be their 2021 suspension and they got to use it now so it counts as 2020 development an allows them to use their 2021 development tokens on other parts of the car.

There was a 2021 tyre test in FP2 and Mercedes spent the whole session on the new tyres (only team to do so). So they got to use the whole weekend as a test of the new suspension and they got better data on next year’s tyres and suspension.

Racing Point finished in 4th, position 7 points behind Mclaren. They got a 15 point deduction for the illegal brakes which they bought from Mercedes and were allowed to keep the brakes. That seemed like a crazy lenient penalty at the time as they seemed like they would be clear third in the championship AND they got to use the brakes. But it cost them 3ed in the championship which I think is much more proportionate to the infraction.

Harika · 28-12-2020 2:46pm

Thats the latest in the RedBull Honda saga: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/154373/red-bull-could-build-its-own-f1-power-units

Red Bull taking over the Honda engine department and will then push for the new engine formula to be less complex as they will then develop their own engine.
I assume the rumours will soon start that they will keep the door open to VW etc... to come in and start providing engines. Or even for any manufacturer wanting to badge an engine.

Infoanon · 28-12-2020 3:31pm

Harika wrote: »

I assume the rumours will soon start that they will keep the door open to VW etc... to come in and start providing engines. Or even for any manufacturer wanting to badge an engine.

The VW to F1 rumour has been doing the rounds since the 80s.
The chances of it happening have diminished greatly over the years but you can be guaranteed that there will be lots of stories in the off season about VW/F1.

Chances are close to zero.Red Bull will threaten to pull out and Mercedes will be seen to concede ground though the reality will be very different.

There will be a lot of non stories until the first GP be that Australia or somewhere else.

Harika · 28-12-2020 3:39pm

Infoanon wrote: »

The VW to F1 rumour has been doing the rounds since the 80s.
The chances of it happening have diminished greatly over the years but you can be guaranteed that there will be lots of stories in the off season about VW/F1.

Chances are close to zero.Red Bull will threaten to pull out and Mercedes will be seen to concede ground though the reality will be very different.

There will be a lot of non stories until the first GP be that Australia or somewhere else.

Not off season alone, the next years! Just play the surprised

Still biggest chance for RedBull going this way to get a new engine partner on board, the base is there and while I don´t see VW coming in. Hyundai or SAIC or any other of the raising manufacturers would be less of a surprise.

klose · 28-12-2020 4:50pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Ric should be there or there abouts. They'll certainly be hoping they can mix it with Red Bull anyway.

I've read that mclaren have to use all their upgrade tokens to fit the merc engine and as such aren't expecting a massive jump next season.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 5:36pm

klose wrote: »

I've read that mcaren have to use all their upgrade tokens to fit the merc engine and as such aren't expecting a massive jump next season.

I heard that was a concern for them alright. Pity they don’t get a couple of freebeees to make the engine work. I know they’d take the p1ss but it doesn’t help the competition to make them spend all their development tokens on fitting the engine.

28-12-2020 7:02pm

Watching more random highlights on YouTube and if Verstappen wasn't as brilliantly quick as he is there'd be questions about his safety/driving conduct. He runs people off the road at every opportunity. The crash in Azerbaijan I remember (possibly incorrectly) thinking it was about 50/50 and that general opinion was against Ricciardo but looking at it now it's about 90% on Verstappen. He (not the only one) loves swiping across people when overtaking which is such a dumb move and has led to accidents as the overtaken driver loses downforce and braking yet seem to take the blame usually.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 7:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Watching more random highlights on YouTube and if Verstappen wasn't as brilliantly quick as he is there'd be questions about his safety/driving conduct. He runs people off the road at every opportunity. The crash in Azerbaijan I remember (possibly incorrectly) thinking it was about 50/50 and that general opinion was against Ricciardo but looking at it now it's about 90% on Verstappen. He (not the only one) loves swiping across people when overtaking which is such a dumb move and has led to accidents as the overtaken driver loses downforce and braking yet seem to take the blame usually.

Yeah he’s box office. Completely agree that he’s on the edge and very often on the wrong side of the line. He was under pressure that year as he had made a lot of mistakes, including crashing twice in Monaco which was targeted as a potential Red Bull win.

I’d say he’s an unpleasant bloke, touch of the “Michael Jackson” about him. Not suggesting he’s a deviant, just that his being raised for a single purpose and not a rounded person at all. It’s his job to win Jos’s world championship. Top driver though.

mickdw · 28-12-2020 9:06pm

klose wrote: »

I've read that mclaren have to use all their upgrade tokens to fit the merc engine and as such aren't expecting a massive jump next season.

Still engine customers get the engine upgrades without token useage whereas mercedes have to use some on the engine.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 9:24pm

mickdw wrote: »

Still engine customers get the engine upgrades without token useage whereas mercedes have to use some on the engine.

And the gearbox and suspension if they also buy those parts from another team.

Mclaren would have gotten whatever benefits if they bought them from Renault too. Racing point is in a strong position to benefit as they buy as much as they’re allowed from Mercedes. I presume it’s the same for Haas and Alfa and Alpha.

mickdw · 29-12-2020 2:48am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And the gearbox and suspension if they also buy those parts from another team.

Mclaren would have gotten whatever benefits if they bought them from Renault too. Racing point is in a strong position to benefit as they buy as much as they’re allowed from Mercedes. I presume it’s the same for Haas and Alfa and Alpha.

So could we see a conplex business structure at red bull where alpha tauri become the works engine team of their group with redbull 'buying' in engines from them to make a development advantage for redbull. They may be in a position to do this if starting their own engine program.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-12-2020 11:09am

mickdw wrote: »

So could we see a conplex business structure at red bull where alpha tauri become the works engine team of their group with redbull 'buying' in engines from them to make a development advantage for redbull. They may be in a position to do this if starting their own engine program.

Ha, genius! I think you should suggest that to Christian Horner. There might be a couple of VIP tickets to the Austrian GP in it for you.

mickdw · 29-12-2020 11:24am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ha, genius! I think you should suggest that to Christian Horner. There might be a couple of VIP tickets to the Austrian GP in it for you.

Im sure they are a couple of years ahead of us with these kind of ideas.

29-12-2020 6:18pm

On my usual YouTube bits and pieces... can anyone think why they haven't tried to do anything with the chicane before the hairpin in Abu Dhabi? If it was tightened up well and became a proper braking zone it could become an overtaking spot and also not ruin the close running into the hairpin/down the straight. The only guess I would hazard is that the new circuits (Middle East especially) seem to be designed to be pristine and never modified or look like they've made a mistake.

johnnysmack · 29-12-2020 11:13pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On my usual YouTube bits and pieces... can anyone think why they haven't tried to do anything with the chicane before the hairpin in Abu Dhabi? If it was tightened up well and became a proper braking zone it could become an overtaking spot and also not ruin the close running into the hairpin/down the straight. The only guess I would hazard is that the new circuits (Middle East especially) seem to be designed to be pristine and never modified or look like they've made a mistake.

There must be a dozen different tracks layouts available for Abu Dhabi so it wouldn't look like a mistake if they did decided to change anything. It was mentioned in one of the free practices that they can't remove that chicane as otherwise the F1 cars would be carrying far too much speed in the hairpin and with the stadium so close if anything were to go wrong it could be a terrible accident with wheels or even a car going into a stand.

30-12-2020 12:04am

johnnysmack wrote: »

There must be a dozen different tracks layouts available for Abu Dhabi so it wouldn't look like a mistake if they did decided to change anything. It was mentioned in one of the free practices that they can't remove that chicane as otherwise the F1 cars would be carrying far too much speed in the hairpin and with the stadium so close if anything were to go wrong it could be a terrible accident with wheels or even a car going into a stand.

Aye that's why I suggested tightening up the chicane. They obviously can't get rid of it for F1 because of lack of run-off but it's the fact speed can be carried into the chicane and then it's low-speed that disrupts the racing. If they tightened it up loads and made it a harder braking zone it would make it a possible overtaking spot or at least allow some battling to let someone get a run out of the hairpin.

My image editing skills are awful and I only have MS Paint so I'll not embarrass myself. :P However if you look at how the track is ya see the first part of the chicane is wider than 90 degrees while the second part is tighter meaning you're slowing through the chicane. Tighten the left turn a good bit and you'd solve a lot of the problem IMO.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 30-12-2020 12:38am

Deleted User wrote: »

Aye that's why I suggested tightening up the chicane. They obviously can't get rid of it for F1 because of lack of run-off but it's the fact speed can be carried into the chicane and then it's low-speed that disrupts the racing. If they tightened it up loads and made it a harder braking zone it would make it a possible overtaking spot or at least allow some battling to let someone get a run out of the hairpin.

My image editing skills are awful and I only have MS Paint so I'll not embarrass myself. :P However if you look at how the track is ya see the first part of the chicane is wider than 90 degrees while the second part is tighter meaning you're slowing through the chicane. Tighten the left turn a good bit and you'd solve a lot of the problem IMO.

I think that whole part of the track is flawed. I get they were trying to get the grandstands up close to the cars, but why in a 320kph sport would you want to to watch them them trundle round a boring hairpin at 80kph??

I don't know what you do with this track. Not convinced tightening up that chicane will achieve much. Not sure if the layout the v8 supercars used years ago would work which IIRC skipped that chicane-hairpin section altogether. Of course using that layout would render that grandstand worthless. If we are honest, the best solution would be to never visit this track again, and restore Interlagos as the final race. Sadly money talks.

30-12-2020 1:18am

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

I think that whole part of the track is flawed. I get they were trying to get the grandstands up close to the cars, but why in a 320kph sport would you want to to watch them them trundle round a boring hairpin at 80kph??

Grandstands are generally at slow corners, get to see the cars for longer, hear them accelerate (when the noise was a thing) and possibility of overtaking.

I don't know what you do with this track. Not convinced tightening up that chicane will achieve much. Not sure if the layout the v8 supercars used years ago would work which IIRC skipped that chicane-hairpin section altogether. Of course using that layout would render that grandstand worthless. If we are honest, the best solution would be to never visit this track again, and restore Interlagos as the final race. Sadly money talks.

I'm not sure what you're not getting. The chicane spreads out the field because it's medium-low speed. The cars slow down through the chicane because the entry is so open. So it's not a proper braking zone meaning that there's no overtaking into the chicane.
As well as that, cars can't follow through the chicane because they have to slow down through the chicane. Make the entry much tighter (it looks around 75 degrees to me, make it about 120 degrees) and you'll have a proper braking zone. Even if the chicane didn't become a real overtaking spot it could lead to some defence being necessary and people having to compromise their lines out of it, thus allowing the car behind to have a run and be tighter around the hairpin, setting up a chance down the next straight.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 30-12-2020 2:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

Grandstands are generally at slow corners, get to see the cars for longer, hear them accelerate (when the noise was a thing) and possibility of overtaking.

I'm not sure what you're not getting. The chicane spreads out the field because it's medium-low speed. The cars slow down through the chicane because the entry is so open. So it's not a proper braking zone meaning that there's no overtaking into the chicane.
As well as that, cars can't follow through the chicane because they have to slow down through the chicane. Make the entry much tighter (it looks around 75 degrees to me, make it about 120 degrees) and you'll have a proper braking zone. Even if the chicane didn't become a real overtaking spot it could lead to some defence being necessary and people having to compromise their lines out of it, thus allowing the car behind to have a run and be tighter around the hairpin, setting up a chance down the next straight.

Disagree. Tighten up the chicane and the braking zone becomes 10-15 meters longer. Don't think makes a difference. Cars just aren't getting close enough out of the first turn for that to make a difference.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 30-12-2020 2:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

Grandstands are generally at slow corners, get to see the cars for longer, hear them accelerate (when the noise was a thing) and possibility of overtaking.

Yeah i accept that. But in the Yas Marina case they went to town on this concept. Without the grandstands highlighted in orange (roughly) the chicane would not have been required and you would have the bigger braking zone you want

30-12-2020 3:37pm

Aye it was a stupid oversight to put it so close. It really wouldn't take much to either move the hairpin back and/or have a slight left kink to get away from the grandstand a bit. The way I'd do it would look like this awful drawing attempt.

My preference would be to do the red. But the green would be fine either IMO.
Either way the problem is that as it is the current entry into the chicane is too fast meaning that the chicane as a whole is basically a braking zone and single file which makes close following impossible.

flazio · 30-12-2020 8:13pm

How about racing clockwise?
I can't see any stands in any danger.

Hijpo · 30-12-2020 10:20pm

flazio wrote: »

How about racing clockwise?
I can't see any stands in any danger.

Would they need to reverse all the marshal posts and side roads?

mrsoundie · 31-12-2020 12:18am

In case the Hamilton haters year was not going to good, there is this.

quokula · 31-12-2020 6:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

Aye it was a stupid oversight to put it so close. It really wouldn't take much to either move the hairpin back and/or have a slight left kink to get away from the grandstand a bit. The way I'd do it would look like this awful drawing attempt.

My preference would be to do the red. But the green would be fine either IMO.
Either way the problem is that as it is the current entry into the chicane is too fast meaning that the chicane as a whole is basically a braking zone and single file which makes close following impossible.

I don't think there's much that can be done with that chicane or hairpin because the problem is that cars can't follow closely enough through turns 2 and 3 so lengthening the braking zone a bit wouldn't change it that much.

However, the track does have two overtaking spots at the end of the other two straights at turn 8 and turn 11. To be honest I think its bad reputation isn't really fair and it is harshly judged because for most of its existence it has been the season finale in an era where all competition for the championship has always ceased before arriving there and the enthusiasm for the season is usually dead, while some teams just treat it as a glorified test session for the following year.

The track got widespread praise from drivers when it was introduced. It is of course remembered for Alonso's failure to overtake Petrov in 2010, but that Renault had very strong straight line speed making it tough to overtake. Petrov and Alonso did go wheel to wheel at times however, and overall that race did make for an epic season finale.

The 2012 race (which wasn't the season finale) was another epic with Vettel fighting up onto the podium having started in the pitlane, which was vital for his championship hopes. Even more recently, in 2016, Rosberg's overtake on Verstappen was what ultimately secured his championship victory and was an excellent piece of racing. There's also plenty of overtaking at the track in lower formulas.

But no track will make for a great season finale when the season leading up to it wasn't great and the competition is over long before getting there.

Harika · 31-12-2020 10:15am

Helmut Marko in Interview:
https://m.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/helmut-marko-exklusiv-13-eigener-red-bull-motor-bei-80-85-prozent-20122801

You will need to click the translate button.
Key points: Perez has one year contract and they plan to bring in another junior for 2022.
Perez brings knowledge about the Mercedes engine with him
Target is to stay within 2 tenths in qualifying and match race pace
Albon will be test reserve driver and might come back 2022
Russell was seen only that strong because bottas struggled all weekend

Inquitus · 31-12-2020 5:44pm

Harika wrote: »

Russell was seen only that strong because bottas struggled all weekend

That doesn't really tally with the facts! Surprised at Marko is he just Salty Russell is signed up to Mercedes?

Harika · 31-12-2020 5:56pm

Inquitus wrote: »

That doesn't really tally with the facts! Surprised at Marko is he just Salty Russell is signed up to Mercedes?

He says Russell is Mercedes junior and has a 10 year contract with Toto, so Perez is the better option for a year.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-12-2020 7:23pm

Inquitus wrote: »

That doesn't really tally with the facts! Surprised at Marko is he just Salty Russell is signed up to Mercedes?

It could tally with the facts. Why do you say it doesn’t tally?

I don’t know if Bottas had a good weekend or not. He hasn’t had a good last few races of the season.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 31-12-2020 9:46pm

quokula wrote: »

Petrov and Alonso did go wheel to wheel at times however, and overall that race did make for an epic season finale.

Really? You're testing my memory here, so I stand to be corrected, but my memory is Alonso following him for lap after lap getting nowhere near him. I remember him having one dive down the inside into T11, locking up the rear brakes, but he was so far back he never actually got wheel to wheel.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 31-12-2020 10:12pm

quokula wrote: »

The track got widespread praise from drivers when it was introduced.

The praise of the track in that article is fairly weak. I mean Sutil praise is is that the floodlights are better than Singapore. Wow, what a track!

As for Alonso's praise, "There are some good parts of the track, like the first sector, high-speed corners, and then the last sector is a combination of very similar corners - always 90 degrees. But you enjoy it because there is always something to do on the track. There is no time to breathe. Maybe the middle sector is a little bit more normal, with two long straights, with two big braking points, and maybe the part of the track that you enjoy less".

So he liked the flat out curves in sector 1, and the 90 degrees corners that are only present to accommodate the hotel (amazing the Phoenix street track didn't become a permanent fixture based on this). Inspiring stuff. Call a spade a spade, this is Tilke's worst effort. Probably not his fault tbf, he was given a narrow window in which to operate.

AMKC · 31-12-2020 11:26pm

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Really? You're testing my memory here, so I stand to be corrected, but my memory is Alonso following him for lap after lap getting nowhere near him. I remember him having one dive down the inside into T11, locking up the rear brakes, but he was so far back he never actually got wheel to wheel.

Agreed it was a very boring race and I was pissed for Ferrari and there crap strategy which put Alonso behind Petrov but even more pissed that Petrov would not just let him go by him.

Jordan 199 · 01-01-2021 5:29am

Happy New Year folks

Hope you are all staying safe and strong.

Anjobe · 01-01-2021 12:11pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I just rang them and asked to be set to UK video. 2 mins later I was watching PL footie.

Unfortunately Brexit has scuppered this as a legal means of watching UK content on Amazon Prime in Ireland.

Jordan 199 · 02-01-2021 3:32am

Link to image.

El_Duderino 09 · 02-01-2021 12:28pm

Video here with driver’s salaries for last year. These numbers don’t include bonuses

https://youtu.be/dLrzM2h8Dn0

Russell must be the best value for money on €0.75m and Vettel must be the worst on €35m. That’s almost twice Max’s salary of €16m and almost 4 tomes as much as his teammate who trounced him this year on €9m. Ric is on €20m.

AMKC · 02-01-2021 1:20pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Video here with driver’s salaries for last year. These numbers don’t include bonuses

https://youtu.be/dLrzM2h8Dn0

Russell must be the best value for money on €0.75m and Vettel must be the worst on €35m. That’s almost twice Max’s salary of €16m and almost 4 tomes as much as his teammate who trounced him this year on €9m. Ric is on €20m.

Actually it's more than twice Max's salary which if doubled would be 32 million so that plus some.
You are right about it almost been 4 times his team mates do it's just a million shy.
I wonder what Aston Martin will be paying him this year?
At least Formula 1 drivers actually earn there money and work for it so when I see these huge sums I have no problem with that.
Football players like overrated crybaby Ronaldo on the other hand do not even deserve 3/4s of what they are paid and it makes me sick that they get paid such stupid money. That's why I would never watch any of that rubbish be it English, Italian,Spanish or any other league I see it all as a waste of resources and TV time.

GarIT · 02-01-2021 1:25pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Video here with driver’s salaries for last year. These numbers don’t include bonuses

https://youtu.be/dLrzM2h8Dn0

Russell must be the best value for money on €0.75m and Vettel must be the worst on €35m. That’s almost twice Max’s salary of €16m and almost 4 tomes as much as his teammate who trounced him this year on €9m. Ric is on €20m.

Worth mentioning too that they are estimates from an unofficial source.

This is it · 02-01-2021 1:25pm

AMKC wrote: »

Actually it's more than twice Max's salary which if doubled would be 32 million so that plus some.
You are right about it almost been 4 times his team mates do it's just a million shy.
I wonder what Aston Martin will be paying him this year?
At least Formula 1 drivers actually earn there money and work for it so when I see these huge sums I have no problem with that.
Football players like overrated crybaby Ronaldo on the other hand do not even deserve 3/4s of what they are paid and it makes me sick that they get paid such stupid money. That's why I would never watch any of that rubbish be it English, Italian,Spanish or any other league I see it all as a waste of resources and TV time.

Why is an F1 driver more deserving of their millions compared to a soccer player? You're worth what someone is willing to pay you, if that's 30k a year or 50m, so be it.

GarIT · 02-01-2021 1:26pm

AMKC wrote: »

Actually it's more than twice Max's salary which if doubled would be 32 million so that plus some.
You are right about it almost been 4 times his team mates do it's just a million shy.
I wonder what Aston Martin will be paying him this year?
At least Formula 1 drivers actually earn there money and work for it so when I see these huge sums I have no problem with that.
Football players like overrated crybaby Ronaldo on the other hand do not even deserve 3/4s of what they are paid and it makes me sick that they get paid such stupid money. That's why I would never watch any of that rubbish be it English, Italian,Spanish or any other league I see it all as a waste of resources and TV time.

If I could work harder than them and get their salary I would as would many others but we can't, they earn their money.

El_Duderino 09 · 02-01-2021 1:39pm

AMKC wrote: »

Actually it's more than twice Max's salary which if doubled would be 32 million so that plus some.
You are right about it almost been 4 times his team mates do it's just a million shy.
I wonder what Aston Martin will be paying him this year? ...

Dead right about my dodgy maths. In my head I was thinking Max will be getting some performance bonuses and I doubt Vettel hit many performance goals this year.

muckwarrior · 02-01-2021 1:48pm

It's not about how hard someone works. It's about how much money someone can make for their employer. In a top sportsperson's case, that could be tens or even hundreds of millions of euro, and why shouldn't they receive a significant percentage of that as payment?

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