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quokula

Deleted User wrote: »

Aye it was a stupid oversight to put it so close. It really wouldn't take much to either move the hairpin back and/or have a slight left kink to get away from the grandstand a bit. The way I'd do it would look like this awful drawing attempt.

My preference would be to do the red. But the green would be fine either IMO.
Either way the problem is that as it is the current entry into the chicane is too fast meaning that the chicane as a whole is basically a braking zone and single file which makes close following impossible.

I don't think there's much that can be done with that chicane or hairpin because the problem is that cars can't follow closely enough through turns 2 and 3 so lengthening the braking zone a bit wouldn't change it that much.

However, the track does have two overtaking spots at the end of the other two straights at turn 8 and turn 11. To be honest I think its bad reputation isn't really fair and it is harshly judged because for most of its existence it has been the season finale in an era where all competition for the championship has always ceased before arriving there and the enthusiasm for the season is usually dead, while some teams just treat it as a glorified test session for the following year.

The track got widespread praise from drivers when it was introduced. It is of course remembered for Alonso's failure to overtake Petrov in 2010, but that Renault had very strong straight line speed making it tough to overtake. Petrov and Alonso did go wheel to wheel at times however, and overall that race did make for an epic season finale.

The 2012 race (which wasn't the season finale) was another epic with Vettel fighting up onto the podium having started in the pitlane, which was vital for his championship hopes. Even more recently, in 2016, Rosberg's overtake on Verstappen was what ultimately secured his championship victory and was an excellent piece of racing. There's also plenty of overtaking at the track in lower formulas.

But no track will make for a great season finale when the season leading up to it wasn't great and the competition is over long before getting there.

Harika

Helmut Marko in Interview:
https://m.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/helmut-marko-exklusiv-13-eigener-red-bull-motor-bei-80-85-prozent-20122801

You will need to click the translate button.
Key points: Perez has one year contract and they plan to bring in another junior for 2022.
Perez brings knowledge about the Mercedes engine with him
Target is to stay within 2 tenths in qualifying and match race pace
Albon will be test reserve driver and might come back 2022
Russell was seen only that strong because bottas struggled all weekend

Inquitus

Harika wrote: »

Russell was seen only that strong because bottas struggled all weekend

That doesn't really tally with the facts! Surprised at Marko is he just Salty Russell is signed up to Mercedes?

Harika

Inquitus wrote: »

That doesn't really tally with the facts! Surprised at Marko is he just Salty Russell is signed up to Mercedes?

He says Russell is Mercedes junior and has a 10 year contract with Toto, so Perez is the better option for a year.

El_Duderino 09

Inquitus wrote: »

That doesn't really tally with the facts! Surprised at Marko is he just Salty Russell is signed up to Mercedes?

It could tally with the facts. Why do you say it doesn’t tally?

I don’t know if Bottas had a good weekend or not. He hasn’t had a good last few races of the season.

tipp_tipp_tipp

quokula wrote: »

Petrov and Alonso did go wheel to wheel at times however, and overall that race did make for an epic season finale.

Really? You're testing my memory here, so I stand to be corrected, but my memory is Alonso following him for lap after lap getting nowhere near him. I remember him having one dive down the inside into T11, locking up the rear brakes, but he was so far back he never actually got wheel to wheel.

tipp_tipp_tipp

quokula wrote: »

The track got widespread praise from drivers when it was introduced.

The praise of the track in that article is fairly weak. I mean Sutil praise is is that the floodlights are better than Singapore. Wow, what a track!

As for Alonso's praise, "There are some good parts of the track, like the first sector, high-speed corners, and then the last sector is a combination of very similar corners - always 90 degrees. But you enjoy it because there is always something to do on the track. There is no time to breathe. Maybe the middle sector is a little bit more normal, with two long straights, with two big braking points, and maybe the part of the track that you enjoy less".

So he liked the flat out curves in sector 1, and the 90 degrees corners that are only present to accommodate the hotel (amazing the Phoenix street track didn't become a permanent fixture based on this). Inspiring stuff. Call a spade a spade, this is Tilke's worst effort. Probably not his fault tbf, he was given a narrow window in which to operate.

AMKC

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Really? You're testing my memory here, so I stand to be corrected, but my memory is Alonso following him for lap after lap getting nowhere near him. I remember him having one dive down the inside into T11, locking up the rear brakes, but he was so far back he never actually got wheel to wheel.

Agreed it was a very boring race and I was pissed for Ferrari and there crap strategy which put Alonso behind Petrov but even more pissed that Petrov would not just let him go by him.

Jordan 199

Happy New Year folks

Hope you are all staying safe and strong.

Anjobe

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I just rang them and asked to be set to UK video. 2 mins later I was watching PL footie.

Unfortunately Brexit has scuppered this as a legal means of watching UK content on Amazon Prime in Ireland.

Jordan 199

Link to image.

El_Duderino 09

Video here with driver’s salaries for last year. These numbers don’t include bonuses

https://youtu.be/dLrzM2h8Dn0

Russell must be the best value for money on €0.75m and Vettel must be the worst on €35m. That’s almost twice Max’s salary of €16m and almost 4 tomes as much as his teammate who trounced him this year on €9m. Ric is on €20m.

AMKC

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Video here with driver’s salaries for last year. These numbers don’t include bonuses

https://youtu.be/dLrzM2h8Dn0

Russell must be the best value for money on €0.75m and Vettel must be the worst on €35m. That’s almost twice Max’s salary of €16m and almost 4 tomes as much as his teammate who trounced him this year on €9m. Ric is on €20m.

Actually it's more than twice Max's salary which if doubled would be 32 million so that plus some.
You are right about it almost been 4 times his team mates do it's just a million shy.
I wonder what Aston Martin will be paying him this year?
At least Formula 1 drivers actually earn there money and work for it so when I see these huge sums I have no problem with that.
Football players like overrated crybaby Ronaldo on the other hand do not even deserve 3/4s of what they are paid and it makes me sick that they get paid such stupid money. That's why I would never watch any of that rubbish be it English, Italian,Spanish or any other league I see it all as a waste of resources and TV time.

GarIT

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Video here with driver’s salaries for last year. These numbers don’t include bonuses

https://youtu.be/dLrzM2h8Dn0

Russell must be the best value for money on €0.75m and Vettel must be the worst on €35m. That’s almost twice Max’s salary of €16m and almost 4 tomes as much as his teammate who trounced him this year on €9m. Ric is on €20m.

Worth mentioning too that they are estimates from an unofficial source.

GarIT

AMKC wrote: »

Actually it's more than twice Max's salary which if doubled would be 32 million so that plus some.
You are right about it almost been 4 times his team mates do it's just a million shy.
I wonder what Aston Martin will be paying him this year?
At least Formula 1 drivers actually earn there money and work for it so when I see these huge sums I have no problem with that.
Football players like overrated crybaby Ronaldo on the other hand do not even deserve 3/4s of what they are paid and it makes me sick that they get paid such stupid money. That's why I would never watch any of that rubbish be it English, Italian,Spanish or any other league I see it all as a waste of resources and TV time.

If I could work harder than them and get their salary I would as would many others but we can't, they earn their money.

El_Duderino 09

AMKC wrote: »

Actually it's more than twice Max's salary which if doubled would be 32 million so that plus some.
You are right about it almost been 4 times his team mates do it's just a million shy.
I wonder what Aston Martin will be paying him this year? ...

Dead right about my dodgy maths. In my head I was thinking Max will be getting some performance bonuses and I doubt Vettel hit many performance goals this year.

muckwarrior

It's not about how hard someone works. It's about how much money someone can make for their employer. In a top sportsperson's case, that could be tens or even hundreds of millions of euro, and why shouldn't they receive a significant percentage of that as payment?

Harika

Question marks about Australia, who will need to make the call to host the race in the next two weeks as the race track will need to be built.
Also 14 day quarantine or stay isolated for the teams.

Adamocovic

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Link to image.

Itching to see their car design.

elperello

Adamocovic wrote:

Itching to see their car design.

That colour scheme suggests a classy livery befitting a classy brand.

[Deleted User]

Would expect similar to Jag, maybe a bit more glossy. Not expecting to be wowed by it.

GarIT

It's interesting that people.were calling racing point Aston Martin before they became Aston Martin but don't call Renault Alpine.

Burkie1203

Murmurs that the Aussie GP might be canned

El_Duderino 09

Harika wrote: »

Question marks about Australia, who will need to make the call to host the race in the next two weeks as the race track will need to be built.
Also 14 day quarantine or stay isolated for the teams.

I’d say they would waive the 14 day quarantine al long as f1 has a workable way to not interact with anyone outside their own group. Lots of sports events are doing that kind of thing. In Bahrain, they were escorted to and from the airport to make sure they didn’t go anywhere except the track and the hotel.

But I doubt Australia will allow them to go. Australia is taking a very different approach to covid than Europe. They’re trying to eliminate the virus so they can stay properly open for business. Victoria, where Melbourne is, has been Covid free for the last 2 months. Absolutely no new cases in the community. They had some new cases just before Christmas. I’ll be shocked if they allow it to go ahead.

I can’t see Melbourne paying to host the race, without fans and all the revenue they bring in, which is the reason they host the race in the first place.

Charlie-Bravo

The way things are going with Covid and the UK, I don't think there'll be personnel easily allowed to testing, let alone go to fly away races. I know there's a good 10 weeks or so until Australia, but it's not getting better in the UK.

El_Duderino 09

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

The way things are going with Covid and the UK, I don't think there'll be personnel easily allowed to testing, let alone go to fly away races. I know there's a good 10 weeks or so until Australia, but it's not getting better in the UK.

Yeah but I think those sports teams are already doing their own private testing. The provincial rugby teams can privately test their whole staff and players if one person tests positive using the government provided , random tests.

I’d say the teams could all have good procedures to regularly test all the travelling staff and be able to prove their staff are covid-free at the time they travel.

I just don’t think Australia or Victoria or Melbourne will have any interest in hosting the race this year. It would cost them a fortune and have no fans to make the money back and brings risk of covid which would cost a fortune to close the economy to eradicate.

There’s always a game of chicken over who actually makes the decision to call off the race. They might all know there won’t be a race, but nobody wants to make the call because they become liable for the broken contracts. Chances of the race going ahead as planned are minimal.

klose

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Murmurs that the Aussie GP might be canned

Back to back Bahrain GPS to kick things off if so?

recyclebin

Verstappen has confirmed that he is dating Kvyats ex-wife, Kelly Piquet, daughter of Nelson Piquet!!! How weird is that?

quokula

GarIT wrote: »

It's interesting that people.were calling racing point Aston Martin before they became Aston Martin but don't call Renault Alpine.

I still find myself calling them Force India. Racing Point is just such an utterly forgettable name, though I think that was kind of the point as they wanted it to get out of the way of any future title sponsor easily.

pjohnson

Formula E has already had its opening race postponed.

This F1 season will likely be truncated same as last year.