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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So everything privately owned will be "abolished" in 10 years? Have you actually thought of how nuts that is?

    What's going to happen - are shadowy individuals going to march into every home in the world and confiscate everything they own? Do you think businesses are going to give up their assets to these shadowy people as well or are they in on the deal as well?

    It does indeed sound nuts, but you'll have to ask WEF why they decided to retweet a link to a 4 year old article about everyone on the planet owning nothing by 2030.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Fodla wrote: »
    It does indeed sound nuts, but you'll have to ask WEF why they decided to retweet a link to a 4 year old article about everyone on the planet owning nothing by 2030.

    Where is this article? Also it won't happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fodla wrote: »
    It does indeed sound nuts, but you'll have to ask WEF why they decided to retweet a link to a 4 year old article about everyone on the planet owning nothing by 2030.

    You keep making this claim, please explain how they can make this happen. How will they take your house, Car, T.V, PlayStation, Watch, Cash, Jewelry, clothes etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    You keep making this claim, please explain how they can make this happen. How will they take your house, Car, T.V, PlayStation, Watch, Cash, Jewelry, clothes etc

    I'm not making the claim. I'm pointing out that WEF recently retweeted a link to a four year old rticle about owning nothing by 2030. I find the timing suspicious in the light of the upcoming Great Reset. When one considers that the people behind Agenda 2030, who are among the people who are behind the Great Reset, consider private property to be "unsustainable" and "unjust" it becomes even more suspicious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Where is this article? Also it won't happen.

    It's on WEF's website. It was written by a Danish MP. WEF recently retweeted the article. Do you find it suspicious that they would choose to retweet an article about owning nothing by 2030 a couple of months before the Great Reset, an event during which "monumental" changes will be proposed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Fodla wrote: »
    It's on WEF's website. It was written by a Danish MP. WEF recently retweeted the article. Do you find it suspicious that they would choose to retweet an article about owning nothing by 2030 a couple of months before the Great Reset, an event during which "monumental" changes will be proposed?

    Where is the article? Any link?

    Do you honestly believe that private ownership of everything will be eliminated by 2030 based on some article you haven't provided a link to? Do you really honestly believe that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fodla wrote: »
    I'm not making the claim. I'm pointing out that WEF recently retweeted a link to a four year old rticle about owning nothing by 2030. I find the timing suspicious in the light of the upcoming Great Reset. When one considers that the people behind Agenda 2030, who are among the people who are behind the Great Reset, consider private property to be "unsustainable" and "unjust" it becomes even more suspicious.


    Yeah, you said an awful lot there without answering the question. Try again?

    how they can make this happen. How will they take your house, Car, T.V, PlayStation, Watch, Cash, Jewelry, clothes etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Where is the article? Any link?

    Do you honestly believe that private ownership of everything will be eliminated by 2030 based on some article you haven't provided a link to? Do you really honestly believe that?

    It's on the WEF website. I'm trying to post a link to it, but don't know how to on the phone. If you Google 'Welcome to 2030 WEF' you'll find it.

    But, as I have been at pains to make clear, I am not basing my fear of the abolition of private property on the article. I am basing it on WEF choosing to retweet a link to a four year old article about owning nothing by 2030. They specifically chose that article to post a link to. In the light of the upcoming Great Reset, during which monumental changes are to be proposed, it is very suspicious. "Owning nothing" would certainly be a monumental change. Consider as well that private property is reckoned by the UN, who are behind Agenda 2030, to be unstustainable and unjust. Owning nothing by 2030 and Agenda 2030 is to be implemented by 2030.

    I'm not saying I believe it, but rather that I fear it. A virus doesn't justify a transformation of the global economic system. But that's what's being pushed for as part of the Great Reset.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/how-life-could-change-2030/

    Here's the offending article. I can't believe you are getting your knickers in a twist over this. Absolutely hilarious. I'd suggest you take a break from this for a while. Having fear over this is probably not good for you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Usually conspiracy theories have some sort of core theme, like the Moon landings were faked or the CIA etc. planned 9/11 but I'm actually at a loss what the actually theory is here other than a bizarre irrational fear of a fluff article by a Danish MP from 2016.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    From that link:
    Author's note: Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse. I wrote this piece to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.

    There is no great plot for someone to appropriate our possessions. Just someone writing a modern day 1984 short story. AI & a more and more reliance on technology is happening.

    How is his idea here even practical? I have to wait for Steve to finish his meeting before I can use my living room?
    In our city we don't pay any rent, because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it. My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/how-life-could-change-2030/

    Here's the offending article. I can't believe you are getting your knickers in a twist over this. Absolutely hilarious. I'd suggest you take a break from this for a while. Having fear over this is probably not good for you.

    If you read my post you'll see that it's not the article that concerns me. It's WEF choosing to retweet a link to a four year old article about human beings owning nothing by the year 2030. The reason it worries me is because they chose to retweet it a couple of months before the Great Reset, during which gigantic changes are set to be proposed. That's my fear. Not the article. I don't know why people are focusing on the article. I'm focusing on WEF retweeting a link to an article about owning nothing by 2030. Not the content of the article. They could've retweeted a link to any other article, but instead they chose an article about communism. People have been suggesting that the Great Reset is going to be used to push communism across the world under the guise of 'sustainability' and 'safety'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fodla wrote: »
    If you read my post you'll see that it's not the article that concerns me. It's WEF choosing to retweet a link to a four year old article about human beings owning nothing by the year 2030. The reason it worries me is because they chose to retweet it a couple of months before the Great Reset, during which gigantic changes are set to be proposed. That's my fear. Not the article. I don't know why people are focusing on the article. I'm focusing on WEF retweeting a link to an article about owning nothing by 2030. Not the content of the article. They could've retweeted a link to any other article, but instead they chose an article about communism. People have been suggesting that the Great Reset is going to be used to push communism across the world under the guise of 'sustainability' and 'safety'.

    Any chance you could answer my question??

    how they can make this happen. How will they take your house, Car, T.V, PlayStation, Watch, Cash, Jewelry, clothes etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    Any chance you could answer my question??

    how they can make this happen. How will they take your house, Car, T.V, PlayStation, Watch, Cash, Jewelry, clothes etc?

    I have no idea. I'd like to know myself.

    I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just making people aware of what road WEF, based on their retweeting a link to an article about owning nothing by 2030, may be going down with their reset.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    From that link:



    There is no great plot for someone to appropriate our possessions. Just someone writing a modern day 1984 short story. AI & a more and more reliance on technology is happening.

    How is his idea here even practical? I have to wait for Steve to finish his meeting before I can use my living room?

    Yes, but is the timing of the retweet not odd? A couple of months before the Great Reset. Big changes are being promised. Wouldn't owning nothing be a big change?

    And they could've chosen any other article to retweet a link to, but they chose one about owning nothing by 2030.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fodla wrote: »
    I have no idea. I'd like to know myself.

    I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just making people aware of what road WEF, based on their retweeting a link to an article about owning nothing by 2030, may be going down with their reset.

    So you're afraid of something but you're not sure what it is or how it could possibly happen?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I'm going to hazard a guess and say the the World Economic Forum won't be confiscating the property of every human being on the planet in the next 10 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    So you're afraid of something but you're not sure what it is or how it could possibly happen?

    I'm afraid of owning nothing by 2030. I'm afraid that WEF and the UN, through the Great Reset and Agenda 21/2030, are going to try to push communism on the world. The WEF retweeting a link to an article about owning nothing by 2030 doesn't reassure me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Fodla wrote: »
    Yes, but is the timing of the retweet not odd? A couple of months before the Great Reset. Big changes are being promised. Wouldn't owning nothing be a big change?

    And they could've chosen any other article to retweet a link to, but they chose one about owning nothing by 2030.

    They have been posting about sustainable food production & cutting down on food waste today.

    Are they going to go trawling through people's bins to see who is wasting food? See how easy it is to go down a rabbit hole by looking at one thing.

    Do you know how many other historic articles WEF re-tweeted, or was this the only one in their archives they did this to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I'm going to hazard a guess and say the the World Economic Forum won't be confiscating the property of every human being on the planet in the next 10 years.

    I hope you're right. There's talk of vaccinating the planet, so the powerful people of the world have shown that they don't exactly shy from thinking big.

    I wonder what the gigantic changes Schwab is proposing are going to be. I wonder why WEF retweeted a link to an article about communism.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    They have been posting about sustainable food production & cutting down on food waste today.

    Are they going to go trawling through people's bins to see who is wasting food? See how easy it is to go down a rabbit hole by looking at one thing.

    Do you know how many other historic articles WEF re-tweeted, or was this the only one in their archives they did this to?

    I take your point, but I still find the timing of the tweet suspicious. Private property is considered to be unstustainable and unjust by those who are behind Agenda 21/2030. Agenda 2030 and the Great Reset go hand in hand. I base this on WEF strengthening its commitment to Agenda 2030 late last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Fodla wrote: »
    I take your point, but I still find the timing of the tweet suspicious. Private property is considered to be unstustainable and unjust by those who are behind Agenda 21/2030. Agenda 2030 and the Great Reset go hand in hand. I base this on WEF strengthening its commitment to Agenda 2030 late last year.

    You possibly need to stop using conspiracy sites as sources of information

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/23/fact-check-uns-agenda-21-2030-agenda-wont-create-new-world-order/5474884002/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fodla wrote: »
    I'm afraid of owning nothing by 2030. I'm afraid that WEF and the UN, through the Great Reset and Agenda 21/2030, are going to try to push communism on the world. The WEF retweeting a link to an article about owning nothing by 2030 doesn't reassure me.

    Afraid if what? You can't even explain how this could possibly happen, are you afraid of a satellite falling on your head? Maybe a meteorite landing on your house? What if you leave home tomorrow and are trampled by a herd of elephant or the orient express goes off the rails and runs you over?

    There is more chance of any of those things happening than the WEF or anyone else taking all of your repossessions in the next 100 years never mind the next 10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Afraid if what? You can't even explain how this could possibly happen, are you afraid of a satellite falling on your head? Maybe a meteorite landing on your house? What if you leave home tomorrow and are trampled by a herd of elephant or the orient express goes off the rails and runs you over?

    There is more chance of any of those things happening than the WEF or anyone else taking all of your repossessions in the next 100 years never mind the next 10.

    but it was retweeted..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    Dohnjoe wrote: »

    Health passports were dismissed as a conspiracy theory and an international one is being trialed as we speak. An Irish one is being trialed. Immunity passports were dismissed as a conspiracy theory and now England is set to introduce freedom passes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Stephen Donnelly said the other day that he wants to build back better. Pedro Sánchez said in September that he wants to rebuild better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Stephen Donnelly said the other day that he wants to build back better. Pedro Sánchez said in September that he wants to rebuild better.

    And the point of that is???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    And the point of that is???

    That they're all saying the same thing across the West. It could be a coincidence, but I would've thought it highly unlikely that they all thought of the exact same slogan.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If a conspiracy theorist watched an episode of "catchphrase"... Would their heads explode????

    Hummmmm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If a conspiracy theorist watched an episode of "catchphrase"... Would their heads explode????

    Hummmmm

    Do you not find it strange that they're all saying 'build back better'? Just like they all said 'new normal'. Oh, and 'dark winter' or 'dark days ahead'. And Trudeau called for a 'reset' in September. It's all Great Reset speak.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,020 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Caraibh wrote: »
    That they're all saying the same thing across the West. It could be a coincidence, but I would've thought it highly unlikely that they all thought of the exact same slogan.

    So its more likely that hundreds of thousands of politicians across the globe have all universally and simultaneously agreed to some secret nefarious plot and not one one them has spoken up?

    Thats more likely? Really?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    The Nal wrote: »
    So its more likely that hundreds of thousands of politicians across the globe have all universally and simultaneously agreed to some secret nefarious plot and not one one them has spoken up?

    Thats more likely? Really?

    I can't think of any other explanation for the exact same response worldwide (or it might be more accurate to say in the West) and the exact same language and slogans being used. It can't be a coincidence. And Trudeau called for a reset in September. The Bank of Canada gave a presentation in August entitled 'The Great Reset'. I'm sorry for straying a bit from 'build back better' with the Great Reset, but the problem is that 'build back better' is Great Reset speak.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Build: Basic verb relating to economies and growth.
    Back. Return to where we were.
    Better: One of the first comparatives any language learner learns.

    It's really not so unlikely that those three words would be put together by politicians talking about the future of countries going through difficulty. They could say seventeen different phrases in a week that all mean the same thing, but the conspiracy theorists trawl through footage and find those three words

    You've used that phrase yourself plenty of times in life. Talking about a football team. Or Civ. Or anything really. But you think it's more likely that politicians all over the world are in on some grand plan together, rather than some of the tens or hundreds of thousands of political figures in the world happening to use those words together during a pandemic.

    Lunacy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Fodla wrote: »
    I hope you're right. There's talk of vaccinating the planet, so the powerful people of the world have shown that they don't exactly shy from thinking big.

    Do you not think that vaccinating everybody would be a good idea?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    I can't think of any other explanation for the exact same response worldwide (or it might be more accurate to say in the West) and the exact same language and slogans being used. It can't be a coincidence. And Trudeau called for a reset in September. The Bank of Canada gave a presentation in August entitled 'The Great Reset'. I'm sorry for straying a bit from 'build back better' with the Great Reset, but the problem is that 'build back better' is Great Reset speak.

    This has been claimed before, but again, the posters who claimed it couldn't actually explain anything about their theory or why it concerned them.

    They were just vaguely "afraid".

    Have you actually read the book "The Great Reset"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,557 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    The more probable answer is that the people saying these have heard them being said elsewhere and thought that it is a good phrase to use to address a situation. This does not mean that its a grand scheme devised against the people.

    Its the same way as how people across the world, decide to use new phrases and then these become a thing. "Woke" "the lefty libs" as recent examples


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Do you not find it strange that they're all saying 'build back better'? Just like they all said 'new normal'. Oh, and 'dark winter' or 'dark days ahead'. And Trudeau called for a 'reset' in September. It's all Great Reset speak.

    Right, and what is the conspiracy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,557 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Mod: if you think a poster is breaking the charter, please report the posts and the Mods will look into it, please do not drag the thread off topic by making accusations


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Do you not find it strange that they're all saying 'build back better'? Just like they all said 'new normal'. Oh, and 'dark winter' or 'dark days ahead'. And Trudeau called for a 'reset' in September. It's all Great Reset speak.

    Not for one second do I find any of that strange....

    If you do I suggest you may have some low grade apophenia


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Right, and what is the conspiracy?

    That they are reading from the Great Reset script.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Not for one second do I find any of that strange....

    If you do I suggest you may have some low grade apophenia

    Fair enough. A coincidence so.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Fair enough. A coincidence so.

    nope.... not a coincidence...

    just a realisation that phrases like "dark winter" and "dark days ahead" would be very common place terms to use regardless of a pandemic.

    "new normal" has been in use continuously during the pandemic to describe the unusual normality we have all had to get used to living in.

    and phrases such as "build back better" and "reset" are political phrases used to describe common sense approach to dealing with global and local disasters


    the opposite of "strange" is not "coincidence"......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    nope.... not a coincidence...

    just a realisation that phrases like "dark winter" and "dark days ahead" would be very common place terms to use regardless of a pandemic.

    "new normal" has been in use continuously during the pandemic to describe the unusual normality we have all had to get used to living in.

    and phrases such as "build back better" and "reset" are political phrases used to describe common sense approach to dealing with global and local disasters


    the opposite of "strange" is not "coincidence"......

    I would agree with you were it not for that that it's Great Reset speak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    That they are reading from the Great Reset script.

    What script are you referring to?


    Have you read the book at all?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    What script are you referring to?


    Have you read the book at all?

    The 'build back better', 'new normal', 'dark winter' script.

    I've read passages from the book. I plan to read it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    The 'build back better', 'new normal', 'dark winter' script.
    And what script is that?:confused:
    Caraibh wrote: »
    I've read passages from the book. I plan to read it.
    Weird...
    There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists who are scared of all this talk, but noone seems to have actually read the book.

    Why are you concerned about it when you haven't read the book?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caraibh wrote: »
    That they are reading from the Great Reset script.

    I have to ask again because you haven't remotely addressed the question

    What is the conspiracy? details please


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    And what script is that?:confused:


    Weird...
    There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists who are scared of all this talk, but noone seems to have actually read the book.

    Why are you concerned about it when you haven't read the book?

    The Great Reset script. The one that all Western governments appear to be reading from. Are you seriously suggesting that they all just happened to think of 'new normal' at the same time five minutes after the pandemic was declared? And then there's Mike Ryan rehearsing 'new normal' during Event 201, which just so happened to be co-sponsored by the World Economic Forum.

    There's enough on the internet about the Great Reset. It's all over WEF's website. Have you seen the huge diagram on their website? They plan to reset everything. Gates even said the other week that if we want to save everything (whatever that means) then we have to change everything.

    Isn't that evidence, but not proof, that the whole thing was planned?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I have to ask again because you haven't remotely addressed the question

    What is the conspiracy? details please

    What millions of people are saying all across the world (in Canada there was a protest against the Great Reset the other day and a Canadian MP has even created a petition to stop the Great Reset): that this was either, it is being taken advantage of, to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Caraibh wrote: »
    The Great Reset script. The one that all Western governments appear to be reading from. Are you seriously suggesting that they all just happened to think of 'new normal' at the same time five minutes after the pandemic was declared? And then there's Mike Ryan rehearsing 'new normal' during Event 201, which just so happened to be co-sponsored by the World Economic Forum.

    There's enough on the internet about the Great Reset. It's all over WEF's website. Have you seen the huge diagram on their website? They plan to reset everything. Gates even said the other week that if we want to save everything (whatever that means) then we have to change everything.

    Isn't that evidence, but not proof, that the whole thing was planned?

    No.


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