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    #92
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Not for one second do I find any of that strange....

    If you do I suggest you may have some low grade apophenia

    Fair enough. A coincidence so.


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    #93
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,041 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Fair enough. A coincidence so.

    nope.... not a coincidence...

    just a realisation that phrases like "dark winter" and "dark days ahead" would be very common place terms to use regardless of a pandemic.

    "new normal" has been in use continuously during the pandemic to describe the unusual normality we have all had to get used to living in.

    and phrases such as "build back better" and "reset" are political phrases used to describe common sense approach to dealing with global and local disasters


    the opposite of "strange" is not "coincidence"......


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    #94
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    nope.... not a coincidence...

    just a realisation that phrases like "dark winter" and "dark days ahead" would be very common place terms to use regardless of a pandemic.

    "new normal" has been in use continuously during the pandemic to describe the unusual normality we have all had to get used to living in.

    and phrases such as "build back better" and "reset" are political phrases used to describe common sense approach to dealing with global and local disasters


    the opposite of "strange" is not "coincidence"......

    I would agree with you were it not for that that it's Great Reset speak.


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    #95
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    That they are reading from the Great Reset script.

    What script are you referring to?


    Have you read the book at all?


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    #96
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    What script are you referring to?


    Have you read the book at all?

    The 'build back better', 'new normal', 'dark winter' script.

    I've read passages from the book. I plan to read it.


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    #97
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    The 'build back better', 'new normal', 'dark winter' script.
    And what script is that?:confused:
    Caraibh wrote: »
    I've read passages from the book. I plan to read it.
    Weird...
    There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists who are scared of all this talk, but noone seems to have actually read the book.

    Why are you concerned about it when you haven't read the book?


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    #98
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caraibh wrote: »
    That they are reading from the Great Reset script.

    I have to ask again because you haven't remotely addressed the question

    What is the conspiracy? details please


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    #99
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    And what script is that?:confused:


    Weird...
    There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists who are scared of all this talk, but noone seems to have actually read the book.

    Why are you concerned about it when you haven't read the book?

    The Great Reset script. The one that all Western governments appear to be reading from. Are you seriously suggesting that they all just happened to think of 'new normal' at the same time five minutes after the pandemic was declared? And then there's Mike Ryan rehearsing 'new normal' during Event 201, which just so happened to be co-sponsored by the World Economic Forum.

    There's enough on the internet about the Great Reset. It's all over WEF's website. Have you seen the huge diagram on their website? They plan to reset everything. Gates even said the other week that if we want to save everything (whatever that means) then we have to change everything.

    Isn't that evidence, but not proof, that the whole thing was planned?


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    #100
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I have to ask again because you haven't remotely addressed the question

    What is the conspiracy? details please

    What millions of people are saying all across the world (in Canada there was a protest against the Great Reset the other day and a Canadian MP has even created a petition to stop the Great Reset): that this was either, it is being taken advantage of, to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism.


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    #101
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Caraibh wrote: »
    The Great Reset script. The one that all Western governments appear to be reading from. Are you seriously suggesting that they all just happened to think of 'new normal' at the same time five minutes after the pandemic was declared? And then there's Mike Ryan rehearsing 'new normal' during Event 201, which just so happened to be co-sponsored by the World Economic Forum.

    There's enough on the internet about the Great Reset. It's all over WEF's website. Have you seen the huge diagram on their website? They plan to reset everything. Gates even said the other week that if we want to save everything (whatever that means) then we have to change everything.

    Isn't that evidence, but not proof, that the whole thing was planned?

    No.


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    #102
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    The Great Reset script. The one that all Western governments appear to be reading from.
    Again what script is this?
    You're not actually explaining what the "script" is.

    It seems to only exist in your imaginayion
    Caraibh wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that they all just happened to think of 'new normal' at the same time five minutes after the pandemic was declared?
    As opposed the the alternative explanation that it's all a big giant conspiracy?

    Yes that is what I'm seriously suggesting.
    Caraibh wrote: »
    There's enough on the internet about the Great Reset. It's all over WEF's website.
    Cool please quote where they state it's their plan to fake a pandemic.
    Please also provide the link to that quite as we've seen you aren't very honest about articles you post.
    Caraibh wrote: »
    Isn't that evidence, but not proof, that the whole thing was planned?
    No. It's neither proof nor evidence.

    Conspiracy theorists like yourself often make these claims buy can't actually actually defend them.
    For example a fellow recently claimed that their goal was to abolish ownership, but when challenged he could only argue that "they tweeted something therefore that was evidence."
    It was very silly and quite embarrassing.

    Also you missed the question I asked. Why are you so concerned when you haven't actually read the book in question?
    Why haven't you read the book yet? How far are you into it?

    I find it very odd that folks like yourself believe that this evil plot is happening yet you don't seem that bothered to read the book that lays it out for you.


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    #103
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Funny MAGA never attracted this kind of attention from the keyboard cops.


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    #104
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caraibh wrote: »
    What millions of people are saying all across the world (in Canada there was a protest against the Great Reset the other day and a Canadian MP has even created a petition to stop the Great Reset): that this was either, it is being taken advantage of, to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism.

    There are plenty of people who believe in ghosts, does that make them real? No. People have the capacity to believe really stupid stuff as we all know.

    There is no mega-global "plan" to replace capitalism with socialism, there is no evidence for such a plan. The only evidence that exists are conspiracy theorists fantasizing about a mega-global conspiracy, which is what they always fantasize about.


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    #105
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There are plenty of people who believe in ghosts, does that make them real? No. People have the capacity to believe really stupid stuff as we all know.

    There is no mega-global "plan" to replace capitalism with socialism, there is no evidence for such a plan. The only evidence that exists are conspiracy theorists fantasizing about a mega-global conspiracy, which is what they always fantasize about.

    Schwab wants to replace capitalism with stakeholder capitalism. He's said he wants to.


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    #106
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Caraibh wrote: »
    Schwab wants to replace capitalism with stakeholder capitalism. He's said he wants to.

    I want an Aston Martin DB9 for Xmas, doesn't mean that's going to happen either.


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    #107
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I want an Aston Martin DB9 for Xmas, doesn't mean that's going to happen either.

    Whether it will happen or not isn't the point. The head of WEF, which is behind the Great Reset, is calling for capitalism to be replaced. The poster claimed there was no evidence of a plan to abolish capitalism.


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    #108
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Schwab wants to replace capitalism with stakeholder capitalism. He's said he wants to.

    No one is replacing "capitalism with socialism".

    At this stage I know how conspiracy theorists think, and no that isn't happening.


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    #109
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    No one is replacing "capitalism with socialism".

    At this stage I know how conspiracy theorists think, and no that isn't happening.

    Then why is Schwab pushing for capitalism to be replaced by stakeholder capitalism?


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    #110
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Then why is Schwab pushing for capitalism to be replaced by stakeholder capitalism?

    This guy hosts an international discussion forum, it's just a forum, he doesn't make policy, he's not a world leader. He's just a guy with economic experience.

    Here is info about stakeholder capitalism from a non-conspiracy (read: non-insane) source
    https://time.com/collection/great-reset/5900748/klaus-schwab-capitalism/

    If there are parts you don't understand, just ask. Don't automatically assume some nefarious conspiracy explanation.


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    #111
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Schwab wants to replace capitalism with stakeholder capitalism. He's said he wants to.
    Is this what he claims in the book you haven't read?


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    #112
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    Is this what he claims in the book you haven't read?

    It's what he has claimed in numerous interviews and in the book. He has been talking about stakeholder capitalism for over 30 years.

    Who elected Klaus Schwab to reset the planet? What mandate does he have for doing it?


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    #113
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    This guy hosts an international discussion forum, it's just a forum, he doesn't make policy, he's not a world leader. He's just a guy with economic experience.

    Here is info about stakeholder capitalism from a non-conspiracy (read: non-insane) source
    https://time.com/collection/great-reset/5900748/klaus-schwab-capitalism/

    If there are parts you don't understand, just ask. Don't automatically assume some nefarious conspiracy explanation.

    What mandate does he have for resetting the planet and for replacing capitalism with his stakeholder capitalism?


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    #114
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    It's what he has claimed in numerous interviews and in the book. He has been talking about stakeholder capitalism for over 30 years.

    Who elected Klaus Schwab to reset the planet? What mandate does he have for doing it?
    How do you know what's in the book? You haven't read it.

    Also it's weird your accusing him of this when the other conspiracy theorists here have been accusing him of wanting the abolish capitalism in favour of communism.

    Why do you believe those conspiracy theorists were wrong?


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    #115
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    How do you know what's in the book? You haven't read it.

    Also it's weird your accusing him of this when the other conspiracy theorists here have been accusing him of wanting the abolish capitalism in favour of communism.

    Why do you believe those conspiracy theorists were wrong?

    I've read passages from the book.

    I guess they take his stakeholder capitalism to mean communism.


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    #116
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caraibh wrote: »
    What mandate does he have for resetting the planet and for replacing capitalism with his stakeholder capitalism?

    No one is "resetting" the planet in the way you imagine. No one is replacing capitalism with stakeholder capitalism. And no, private ownership is not going to be "abolished".

    The common denominator here is you misinterpreting stuff, and despite how many times it's clearly pointed out, you seem to just keep doing it over and over again.


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    #117
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Caraibh wrote: »
    I've read passages from the book..
    But you haven't read the book.
    Why haven't you read the book when you are so worried about it.

    This is a very weird trend amoung you guys.
    Caraibh wrote: »
    I guess they take his stakeholder capitalism to mean communism.
    They said the plan was to abolish ownership.
    Do you agree with this claim?
    If not, why would these other conspiracy theorists get such a wrong idea?


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    #118
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    No one is "resetting" the planet in the way you imagine. No one is replacing capitalism with stakeholder capitalism. And no, private ownership is not going to be "abolished".

    The common denominator here is you misinterpreting stuff, and despite how many times it's clearly pointed out, you seem to just keep doing it over and over again.

    From the World Economic Forum's website:

    "the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions. Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a “Great Reset” of capitalism."

    What does "revamp all aspects of our societies" mean?

    And he wants to transform all industries. What mandate does he have to do that?


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    #119
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    But you haven't read the book.
    Why haven't you read the book when you are so worried about it.

    This is a very weird trend amoung you guys.


    They said the plan was to abolish ownership.
    Do you agree with this claim?
    If not, why would these other conspiracy theorists get such a wrong idea?

    I've read passages. It's also weird that you ignore the fact that the Great Reset is plastered all over WEF's website and on its Twitter page. What do you make of the following:

    "the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions. Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a “Great Reset” of capitalism."

    Who gave Schwab a mandate to do the above?

    Also, you never answered the question about Health Passport Ireland during the swine flu pandemic. Did they run a national trial for the passport in 2009? You said people were claiming the exact same thing they're claiming now back then? What did people specifically say in 2009 about Health Passport Ireland?


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    #120
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    Also from the WEF website:

    "This is our best chance to instigate stakeholder capitalism."

    "We must build entirely new foundations for our economic and social systems."

    So they do indeed seem to want to replace capitalism with stakeholder capitalism. Or did I make it up?

    They clearly don't see the pandemic as a tragedy, but as an opportunity. Nice guys, aren't they?

    Who gave them a mandate to build "entirely new foundations for our economic and social systems."?


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    #121
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,810 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Fodla wrote:
    What do people think about more and more world leaders using the slogan 'Build Back Better'? Johnson, Biden, Trudeau, the Head of WHO, to name but a few. No sooner had the pandemic been declared than did almost every world leader start talking about a "new normal". And now they're going to build back better it seems. Do you think it's just a coincidence that they're (once again) all saying the same thing?

    Yes world leaders have been trying to signal unity, since fcuk whits such as trump have been trying to do the opposite over the last couple of years, there's no conspiracy, just intelligent politics


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