Smart Meter Rollout

TinCanMan · 03-07-2019 12:48pm #1

With the rollout of smart meters by ESB networks to start this year. What are your thoughts, excited, concerned, don't care? Do you have any experience with such devices?

https://www.esbnetworks.ie/existing-connection/meters-readings/smart-meter-upgrade

Vita nova · 03-07-2019 1:49pm

Assuming the meters include remote reading then I'm very much in favour. I'm rarely home when the meter reader calls and I get widely varying estimates and often get requests to phone in a reading.
Also, the ability to monitor usage during different time periods is useful if you're trying to save energy and money.

branie2 · 03-07-2019 1:51pm

Sounds like a good idea

greenspurs · 03-07-2019 2:46pm

they are tracking our every move...…………..

#TinFoilHats... ..

:P

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-07-2019 2:50pm

Very very concerned and angry too

TheValeyard · 03-07-2019 2:52pm

Threads about Smart Meters? Has the average age of AH posters reached mid 40s.

suicide_circus · 03-07-2019 2:53pm

#Right2Electricity

No way, we wont pay!!!!

banie01 · 03-07-2019 2:57pm

Vita nova wrote: »

Assuming the meters include remote reading then I'm very much in favour.

But if they use remote reading that means extra of those super toxic dangerous brain melting 5G radio Yokio me bobs!

All that magic UHF wavelength interference will be killing our babies faster than those pesky vaccines and flouride that I keep hearing about!

Next thing ya know they will be putting chem trails in the water and running the gas off the electricity and the electricity off the gas!

I mean FFS won't somebody please! PLEASE think of the children?!?!

Wait...
Sorry, I meant Gemma! Won't somebody please think of Gemma

namloc1980 · 03-07-2019 3:52pm

Vita nova wrote: »

Assuming the meters include remote reading then I'm very much in favour. I'm rarely home when the meter reader calls and I get widely varying estimates and often get requests to phone in a reading.
Also, the ability to monitor usage during different time periods is useful if you're trying to save energy and money.

Phone in a meter reading? Why not just log it online or through an app? Takes about 20 seconds.

Deebles McBeebles · 03-07-2019 3:54pm

Just how smart are these "meters"? Are we talking Skynet?

branie2 · 03-07-2019 3:57pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

#Right2Electricity

No way, we wont pay!!!!

cue videos of protesters fighting with Gardai in someone's back garden during meter installation!

kneemos · 03-07-2019 3:57pm

What are these costing?

UK households have a choice,they pay if they want one.

Gimme A Pound · 03-07-2019 4:05pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Very very concerned and angry too

Any chance of explaining why?

GarIT · 03-07-2019 4:13pm

Great idea but previous reports say it will be a poor execution.

In Germany the new meters connect to your WiFi and you can use an app or the website to see your exact usage during any second of any day, including in real time.

The original proposal for the Irish "smart" meters was that they would contain a 2g SIM card and text your meter reading to the ESB once every 15 minutes. The readings would not be viewable by the customer in real time.

Ger Roe · 03-07-2019 5:10pm

I would be in favour,,, IF the new meters allow consumers to avail of off peak cheap rates (eg they can switch over to night rates) and to sell electricity back to the grid.

If not, then they will just reduce the reading/admin costs for the suppliers and, as usual, we will be encouraged to reduce demand so that we end up paying more, for less usage.

At the moment, I have a €15 induction monitor on my supply and I can see my own consumption rate. I know which of my appliances cost the most to run and I don't need anything fancier, unless it gives me some additional direct benefits in terms of reduced cost options.

What are the chances :rolleyes:

Ubbquittious · 03-07-2019 5:26pm

i suppose this will mean the end of the chape night rate electricity and instead the only time to make savings will be 15 minutes here and there when it's windy and demand is low

Ubbquittious · 06-07-2019 3:45pm

I see TLI got the contract for installing the smart meters but what exactly do TLI do when they're not installing meters?

I see their white vans on the road everywhere every day of the week but I never see them doing anything

s8n · 06-07-2019 3:48pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I see TLI got the contract for installing the smart meters but what exactly do TLI do when they're not installing meters?

I see their white vans on the road everywhere every day of the week but I never see them doing anything

drive around ?

The Cush · 06-07-2019 3:54pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I see TLI got the contract for installing the smart meters but what exactly do TLI do when they're not installing meters?

I see their white vans on the road everywhere every day of the week but I never see them doing anything

Around Limerick city they're installing SIRO fibre on the electricity poles and into the ducts.

kneemos · 06-07-2019 3:55pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I see TLI got the contract for installing the smart meters but what exactly do TLI do when they're not installing meters?

I see their white vans on the road everywhere every day of the week but I never see them doing anything

They're from Kerry.

http://www.tli.ie/

kneemos · 06-07-2019 3:58pm

Going to cost a cool billion apparently.

That's billion with a b,not billion with an m.

Potential-Monke · 06-07-2019 4:00pm

kneemos wrote: »

What are these costing?

UK households have a choice,they pay if they want one.

They're "free", but the same section says:

Do I have to pay for the new meter?
There will be no upfront charge to have a smart meter installed. Like other meter upgrades, the cost of the meter will be recouped over time in charges paid for use of the electricity network infrastructure.

Sounds like they're going to increase rates to cover the cost of installing these. Or it's included in the standard charge you pay just to have electricity. Free me hole.

Ubbquittious · 06-07-2019 4:14pm

s8n wrote: »

drive around ?

That's all they seem to do. Have seen 100s of the vans on the road

Skylinehead · 06-07-2019 4:15pm

kneemos wrote: »

Going to cost a cool billion apparently.

That's billion with a b,not billion with an m.

Considering there's well over a million households in Ireland, did you think they'd do it for under a euro a pop?

riclad · 06-07-2019 4:37pm

I don,t like it when services say use company x app,
not everyone has a smartphone, many people in rural area,s cannot get broadband, so they may not have wifi .
Theres a lot of older people or maybe people who for medical reasons , who cant use a smartphone .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/14/two-million-smart-meters-not-working-research-suggests/

If you switch to another supplier they may not work, unless there is a
plan to make them compatible with all suppliers,

An eircom broadband router wont work on the 3 network .

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-07-2019 4:37pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

They're "free", but the same section says:

Do I have to pay for the new meter?
There will be no upfront charge to have a smart meter installed. Like other meter upgrades, the cost of the meter will be recouped over time in charges paid for use of the electricity network infrastructure.

Sounds like they're going to increase rates to cover the cost of installing these. Or it's included in the standard charge you pay just to have electricity. Free me hole.

And the fact that there won't have to be people going around reading meters every few weeks adding onto usage costs as well. So that's a bonus right there.

I'd be broadly in support especially if we can get paid to supply electricity back onto the grid. It would be a huge help in making the cost of installing solar power more economic for the end user.

Pa ElGrande · 06-07-2019 4:38pm

Both Siemens and Kamstrup have worked together on similar smart meter deployments around the world since 2012. The Irish project is planned for execution during 2019 and 2020, and a state-of-the-art data collection system called Kamstrup Omnia will be combined with the Siemens EnergyIP smart meter data management technology.

“Our industry-leading platform Omnia, used for data collection, and our smart meters OmniPower are based on extensive experience and proven technology,” explained the CEO of Kamstrup, Kim Lehmann.

“Our solution will provide ESB Networks with accurate, reliable and secure data, which is fundamental for ESB Networks to establish a stable and flexible network, and provide good customer service,” Lehmann said.

source

Looks like most of us will be getting the Kamstrup OMNIPOWER® Single-phase meter - see datasheet (PDF).

You can get plug in modules for them to integrate with your local wifi, not sure if ESB are allowing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVtkdrsQcrE

irelandrover · 06-07-2019 4:41pm

They were rolled out across Holland as well and I refused it. There's too many open questions about much higher bills.

https://www.electriciancourses4u.co.uk/blog/smart-meter-problems/

kneemos · 06-07-2019 4:42pm

riclad wrote: »

I don,t like it when services say use company x app,
not everyone has a smartphone, many people in rural area,s cannot get broadband, so they may not have wifi .
Theres a lot of older people or maybe people who for medical reasons , who cant use a smartphone .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/14/two-million-smart-meters-not-working-research-suggests/

If you switch to another supplier they may not work, unless there is a
plan to make them compatible with all suppliers,

An eircom broadband router wont work on the 3 network .

An app will work on any phone.

JohnnyFlash · 06-07-2019 4:56pm

irelandrover wrote: »

They were rolled out across Holland as well and I refused it. There's too many open questions about much higher bills.

https://www.electriciancourses4u.co.uk/blog/smart-meter-problems/

I’m sure you can refuse to take a meter. However you’ll be charged the standard unit rate.

Potential-Monke · 06-07-2019 5:10pm

kneemos wrote: »

An app will work on any supported smartphone.

FYP.

Ubbquittious · 06-07-2019 5:24pm

I would be fierce weary of a smartphone app like that. It will probably upload a whole lot of extra data on you so the uTility company can build up a better profile on you

kneemos · 06-07-2019 5:27pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I would be fierce weary of a smartphone app like that. It will probably upload a whole lot of extra data on you so the uTility company can build up a better profile on you

For what?

Ubbquittious · 06-07-2019 5:35pm

kneemos wrote: »

For what?

So they can market extra stuff to you directly or else you'll somehow find yourself on some price plan that gives the rights for them to sell on your profile to third party advertisers hidden deep within the Tees and Cees. Fierce valuable stuff this data nowadays

JohnnyFlash · 06-07-2019 5:52pm

The ESB will be able to do remote disconnections if you don’t pay your supplier bill. That’s what will have the ‘no way, we won’t pay’ up in arms.

Skylinehead · 06-07-2019 6:04pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

So they can market extra stuff to you directly or else you'll somehow find yourself on some price plan that gives the rights for them to sell on your profile to third party advertisers hidden deep within the Tees and Cees. Fierce valuable stuff this data nowadays

Fierce illegal too with GDPR. Not a chance of that happening.

Pa ElGrande · 06-07-2019 6:07pm

Here are more of the technical details

OMNIPOWER direct and CT meters - technical description (PDF)

Pa ElGrande · 10-08-2019 2:36pm

This is from the UK. (PDF format)

Smart Meters and Demand Side Response

Smart electricity meters are capable of recording half hourly energy consumption data, providing pricing information and enabling remote load control. The GB smart metering system provides access to data through two main routes.

1. Users of the Data Communications Company (DCC) who have the consumer's explicit consent can access the consumers half hourly energy consumption data, including maximum demand levels.

2. Devices connected to the smart meter Home Area Network (SMHAN) with the consumer's consent can request electricity pricing and
consumption information from the smart meter up to every ten seconds, which could be sent to other devices in the home or over the internet for cloud storage/analytics.

source

JohnnyFlash · 01-09-2020 8:16am

aratsarse101 wrote: »

I have a smart meter since March. Why does the meter reader still call? Am I missing something. We always miss him anyway which is a little inconvenient.

I’d presume it’s because the meter is installed but doesn’t have the mobile chip enabled to enable remote readings and disconnections. Probably physically rolling the meters out while delivering the tech and security in the background so a go-live of a decent number can be announced. Hacking into a smart metering network could cause a huge amount of damage to a country so presume it’s slow and steady with rolllout.

cj maxx · 01-09-2020 8:34am

aratsarse101 wrote: »

I have a smart meter since March. Why does the meter reader still call? Am I missing something. We always miss him anyway which is a little inconvenient.

I assumed that why they are installing them , lay off the meter readers save money. Also a way of catching people on the fiddle. I don’t see any issues with them

jester77 · 01-09-2020 9:33am

I have what I presume is a smart meter in my house. I can log into the app at any time and can see a daily break down of electricity usage and costs. Quite handy, as I can see how much home office is increasing usage by doing a comparison with the same days from last year.

ted1 · 01-09-2020 9:38am

aratsarse101 wrote: »

I have a smart meter since March. Why does the meter reader still call? Am I missing something. We always miss him anyway which is a little inconvenient.

because the remote reading infrastructure isn't going live till next year

sickofcovid · 02-09-2020 8:12pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’d presume it’s because the meter is installed but doesn’t have the mobile chip enabled to enable remote readings and disconnections. Probably physically rolling the meters out while delivering the tech and security in the background so a go-live of a decent number can be announced. Hacking into a smart metering network could cause a huge amount of damage to a country so presume it’s slow and steady with rolllout.

There will be no remote disconnecting with the present smart meters. Most domestic ESB supply's now a days are 100 amp supply and the physical size of a 80 amp / 100 amp contractor is bigger than the smart meter meter itself

alex_r · 05-01-2021 6:12pm

Has anyone figured it out how to connect to it with smartphones or other smart meter readers?
According to the specifications It defo has connection protocols(Kamstrup Meter Protocol, DLSM/COSEM and EN 62056-21 (1107) Mode A & C).
Although, I am not sure if they are available for consumers. For consumers, it seems we might have to install a special CCC(Consumer Communication Channel) module.

alex_r · 05-01-2021 6:19pm

Also, mine meter shows Radio Network Symbol on. So, I assume mine has been connected to the 2G ESB Radio Mesh Network already.

These are really advanced meters. Chuffed our island finally has something so tech advanced and not resorted to some quick legacy fixes.

walshtipp · 05-01-2021 7:18pm

sickofcovid wrote: »

There will be no remote disconnecting with the present smart meters. Most domestic ESB supply's now a days are 100 amp supply and the physical size of a 80 amp / 100 amp contractor is bigger than the smart meter meter itself

These meter 100% do have a contactor built in.

From Kamstrup:
"OMNIPOWER single-phase meter is available with integrated disconnection function which makes it
possible to disconnect the electricity meter's supply outputs. The disconnection can be made locally by
activating the meter's push button, automatically via the functions Smart Disconnect or Prepayment, or
remotely via an automatic smart metering system."

MAULBROOK · 08-01-2021 10:26pm

Is it true you dont get a night rate with a smart meter.
I have day/night at the moment and im fuxked if im giving that up.
because i charge my solar 7kw battery at night to use during the day during the winter.

Credit Checker Moose · 08-01-2021 10:29pm

Yes the smart meters have a night rate. Nothing to worry about.

alex_r · 09-01-2021 11:07am

Yeah, they have an option of having multiple tariff plans(up to 8).

The tariff indicator can show T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6, T7 and T8 to indicate the currently active tariff. The tariff reading is updated every 10 sec., i.e. it may take up to 10 seconds from a tariff shift has been carried out until the current tariff is displayed.

However, if I am not wrong, it seems like it's up to your provider to support this function. All providers are going to roll out new smart features according to ESB

From 2021 onwards, electricity supply companies will begin to offer new smart products and services, giving you more choice and enabling you to shift some of your consumption to off peak times of the day when electricity is cheaper.
See more information on the benefits of the National Smart Metering Programme.

Wesekn. · 09-01-2021 11:40am

MAULBROOK wrote: »

Is it true you dont get a night rate with a smart meter.
I have day/night at the moment and im fuxked if im giving that up.
because i charge my solar 7kw battery at night to use during the day during the winter.

How would you save anything charging a battery on dual tariff?

You'd want more switched on

MAULBROOK · 09-01-2021 5:52pm

Wesekn. wrote: »

How would you save anything charging a battery on dual tariff?

You'd want more switched on

Charge it on the cheep rate and then discharge (when needed) during the expensive rate.
I have it, might as well use it.

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