Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot to merge

L1011 · 08-01-2021 11:58pm

road_high wrote: »

That’s 4 very mainstream middle of the road brands potentially under one roof?
Peugeot is obviously the strongest one by some way, Citroen has improved things a lot too. Opel and Fiat need massive work

They also distribute Honda and sell Kia*; whether you think that makes that worse or better!

(*and double glazing and cheap kitchen appliances - its a complicated group)

GeneHunt · 19-01-2021 1:10am

The website Stellantis has just gone live

https://www.stellantis.com/en

Poulgorm · 19-01-2021 1:25pm

Anytime I think of Fiat, I can't get the picture of the Multipla out of my head.

It must have been the ugliest car ever made.

beauf · 19-01-2021 1:28pm

Poulgorm wrote: »

Anytime I think of Fiat, I can't get the picture of the Multipla out of my head.

It must have been the ugliest car ever made.

I don't understand the styling.

But people rave about from the practicality point of view.

TheBoyConor · 19-01-2021 1:37pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

If Alfa can’t compete with VW, they have no hope of competing with Audi, not to mind the next level above that.

This new conglomerate has the potential to be the next General Motors. Too many brands with no differentiators.

Or the new British Leylandei. Unmanageably huge with different brands all competing with eachother. Like the Austin Allegro and the Morris Marina

AMKC · 19-01-2021 1:55pm

road_high wrote: »

New 208 based Corsa seems to have been well received, selling well in Europe. The Grandland thing is awful looking, no style whatsoever

Id be the opposite. I think the new Corsa is the dullest Corsa ever made and while it is a good car it is nothing special. They should have styled it more like the current Astra which is still the best looking car in its class.
I like like the Grandland think it is very classy and will age well but agree that it is a terrible name for a car.

Poulgorm · 19-01-2021 8:12pm

I assume Opel cars are more reliable now that they are using Peugeot engines & chassis.

Hellrazer · 19-01-2021 11:07pm

Poulgorm wrote: »

I assume Opel cars are more reliable now that they are using Peugeot engines & chassis.

Jesus no - If anything they've gotten worse!!!

GeneHunt · 20-01-2021 1:10pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Jesus no - If anything they've gotten worse!!!

Why do you say that? Is it from personal experience or bar stool talk

Hellrazer · 20-01-2021 1:37pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

Why do you say that? Is it from personal experience or bar stool talk

Personal experience - I know someone that happens to work in an Opel dealer

To be honest I havent seen any of the so called Peugeot "reliability" - Im not sure that should even be in the same sentence.

At the minute I have 4 cars on ramps that are on the Peugeot platform that arent going any where soon all of them with stupid problems that and I never thought Id say this didnt occur when they used Opel running gear.

The only decent models seem to be their petrol models and the eCORSA is a really decent BEV.

All of the above cars are diesels using peugeot diesels and not opel ones.

Bluefoam · 20-01-2021 2:00pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Personal experience - I know someone that happens to work in an Opel dealer

To be honest I havent seen any of the so called Peugeot "reliability" - Im not sure that should even be in the same sentence.

At the minute I have 4 cars on ramps that are on the Peugeot platform that arent going any where soon all of them with stupid problems that and I never thought Id say this didnt occur when they used Opel running gear.

The only decent models seem to be their petrol models and the eCORSA is a really decent BEV.

All of the above cars are diesels using peugeot diesels and not opel ones.

Yeh, I know of a guy who's mother is a mechanic for Mercedes... She says they have at least 15 cars in for repairs...

Mercedes must be ****ed!

ba_barabus · 20-01-2021 5:11pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Personal experience - I know someone that happens to work in an Opel dealer

As do I and I can only echo most of what you've said, although they do say the PSA models are better but still rubbish.

GeneHunt · 26-01-2021 1:07am

So Stellantis are going to give all there brands a chance to success (see links below), not sure how that would work! That's like something a parent would tell all there children, but still have their favorites!!

https://www.motor1.com/news/467407/stellantis-brands-chance-success-chrysler/

https://uk.motor1.com/news/467320/lancia-to-become-premium-brand/

https://www.motor1.com/news/466927/2021-lancia-ypsilon-spy-photos/

Larbre34 · 26-01-2021 1:29am

I don't really see Opel / Vauxhall surviving long term in this scenario.

Stellantis will have to define its brands, by market segment, by territory etc.

In that regard, I think theres only room for two out of Citroën, DS, Peugeot, Opel/Vauxhall. DS is obvious to disappear, O/V cars already destined to be rebadged Pugs, so why bother.

I don't think Dodge and Lancia will survive either.

Maybe even Jeep will blend in with RAM and passenger SUVs will take on the latter brand, but thats less likely.

Bluefoam · 26-01-2021 7:49am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I don't really see Opel / Vauxhall surviving long term in this scenario.

Stellantis will have to define its brands, by market segment, by territory etc.

In that regard, I think theres only room for two out of Citroën, DS, Peugeot, Opel/Vauxhall. DS is obvious to disappear, O/V cars already destined to be rebadged Pugs, so why bother.

I don't think Dodge and Lancia will survive either.

Maybe even Jeep will blend in with RAM and passenger SUVs will take on the latter brand, but thats less likely.

Jeep is one of the most successful brands on the planet right now... Why would they dismantle it? Alsobram is achieving its greatest sales since the brand was developed... Again, why damage that?

GeneHunt · 26-01-2021 5:20pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I don't really see Opel / Vauxhall surviving long term in this scenario.

Stellantis will have to define its brands, by market segment, by territory etc.

In that regard, I think theres only room for two out of Citroën, DS, Peugeot, Opel/Vauxhall. DS is obvious to disappear, O/V cars already destined to be rebadged Pugs, so why bother.

I don't think Dodge and Lancia will survive either.

Maybe even Jeep will blend in with RAM and passenger SUVs will take on the latter brand, but thats less likely.

They just did define their brands into different segments. below is my take on their whole line up now,

Luxury

MASERATI

Premium

ALFA ROMEO
DS Automobiles
LANCIA

Upper Mainstream

PEUGEOT
OPEL
VAUXHALL

Mainstream

ABARTH
CHRYSLER
CITROEN
DODGE
FIAT
FIAT Professional
JEEP
RAM
MOPAR

https://uk.motor1.com/news/467320/lancia-to-become-premium-brand/

26-01-2021 5:45pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

They just did define their brands into different segments. below is my take on their whole line up now, .......

Where's Alfa?

colm_mcm · 26-01-2021 5:50pm

Augeo wrote: »

Where's Alfa?

It’s in the list. Second one

ongarite · 26-01-2021 5:54pm

I see people think Lancia as a brand will disappear.
Maybe this is based on the perception here as they pulled out of the UK, Irish market in the 90s.
They sell pretty well in the EU market.

colm_mcm · 26-01-2021 6:03pm

What exactly are Lancia selling, I assume the Ypsilon is still hanging in there, but that’s out 10 years now. All the rebadged Chrysler’s are finished now aren’t they? Are they still doing the Delta?

NSAman · 26-01-2021 6:04pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

Jeep is one of the most successful brands on the planet right now... Why would they dismantle it? Alsobram is achieving its greatest sales since the brand was developed... Again, why damage that?

Absolutely. Jeep is a massive brand and seller in the US.

Ram is kicking Ford F-150 with the launch of the new Ram (which I have) and is the leader in design and new safety in the US.

Don’t forget, some people are only looking at this from a European point of view. The previous list is very much Eurocentric.

RobAMerc · 26-01-2021 6:06pm

Abarth is a mainstream brand ?

26-01-2021 6:21pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

It’s in the list. Second one

Oops, I didn't look under premium for it.

loyatemu · 26-01-2021 6:48pm

is Lancia a premium brand? The cars are pretty run of the mill in the markets where they're still sold, I'd say it must be a candidate for the chop.

colm_mcm · 26-01-2021 7:55pm

loyatemu wrote: »

is Lancia a premium brand? The cars are pretty run of the mill in the markets where they're still sold, I'd say it must be a candidate for the chop.

Could be a candidate for some more badge engineering too. I think the Italians are very patriotic in their car buying, so might help sell in Italy. Not sure how the rebadged Chrysler’s sold in Italy but it would be a good yardstick.

Larbre34 · 26-01-2021 9:47pm

I think we can forget the sacred cows of Italian or American heritage brands. Stellantis is a Dutch corporation looking to make money for its global shareholders.

It will keep and invest in the brands that resonate and will sell globally. To my mind, Lancia is dead outside Italy. As dead as Saab or Pontiac. Its segments are absolutely covered by Alfa and Maserati. Fiat will be the volume maker, Abarth could breath on all three.

DS has no right to exist as a stand alone brand. They are badge engineered Peugeots. Peugeot and Citroën have plenty of heritage building niche and luxury cars to do that again if they want. DS could be a spec, like Vignale etc.

Also Dodge and Chrysler don't need to both exist. Chrysler make three models, two of which are essentially the same car and one of which is a 25 year old E-class with some chrome. In other words, utter shyte boxes.

AMKC · 26-01-2021 10:41pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

They just did define their brands into different segments. below is my take on their whole line up now,

Luxury
MASERATI
Premium
ALFA ROMEO
DS Automobiles
LANCIA
Upper Mainstream
PEUGEOT
OPEL
VAUXHALL
Mainstream
ABARTH
CHRYSLER
CITROEN
DODGE
FIAT
FIAT Professional
JEEP
RAM
MOPAR

https://uk.motor1.com/news/467320/lancia-to-become-premium-brand/

I disagree with Jeep been mainstream. Maybe in America but here in Europe they are priced as a Premium brand and should be in that bracket.

Also I agree that I would not class Lancia as Premium. Maybe they could make Lancia there sports brand.

ba_barabus · 26-01-2021 10:59pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

What exactly are Lancia selling, I assume the Ypsilon is still hanging in there, but that’s out 10 years now. All the rebadged Chrysler’s are finished now aren’t they? Are they still doing the Delta?

They sell the Ypsilon, and it's only sold in Italy. It sells more of these than all Alfas put together in the last few years......

colm_mcm · 26-01-2021 11:02pm

Wouldn’t it be fun if they made Fiat a proper cheap brand like Dacia? Might be at odds with the 500e though.

I’d love if they did an Uno EV too.

Bluefoam · 26-01-2021 11:42pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Wouldn’t it be fun if they made Fiat a proper cheap brand like Dacia? Might be at odds with the 500e though.

I’d love if they did an Uno EV too.

No... Fiat has style and flair and driving dynamics... Dacia is just cheap.

Fiats should not be like Dacia, I just threw up in my mouth.

Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot to merge

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