Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

STB. · 06-02-2019 10:21pm

alloywheel wrote: »

We were discussing the HSE and I said (and you should go back and look at the post) "If there was not 100,000 days a month lost to absenteeism it would help a lot."

No we were not. You were making outlandish and spreading mis-information. I asked you for a source. You didn't have one.

alloywheel wrote: »

If there was not 100,000 days a month lost to absenteeism it would help a lot. The slighest bit of a cold or a hangover or an ache and they are off. Even nurses themselves admit that.

LESSON: Read stuff, research. It makes you more intelligent when debating and gives less weight to people that might argue that you are just a troll, with a massive chip on their shoulder.

alloywheel · 06-02-2019 10:25pm

And indeed public sector pay and pensions spiralling since 2002 is part of the reason the debt of the country is so high.

Mocadonna · 06-02-2019 10:41pm

backspin. wrote: »

The top of the basic staff nurse scale is about 46K before allowances. An OT an a Physio is on about 52K. Those figures rise as they reach Senior grades and rise again if they get to Clinical Nurse Manager grades.

https://www.inmo.ie/salary_information

Yes unlike a lot of people in this thread I've checked the salary scales on the INMO site and other grades from the HSE. It's just mad that people are arguing over an OECD report being inaccurate, while also cheerleading people who say after 20 years experience a nurse is earning 30-35k when there is information to the contrary readily available.

06-02-2019 10:43pm

Goldengirl wrote: »

This is the link that has been shown as biased and inaccurate several times through the thread. Go back to your cave!

I asked earlier if you any link to an independent assessment of nurses' average earnings in Ireland. No luck yet? So it seems that the OECD is the best available then:

While other countries provide data on a different basis, the 2017 figure of US$ PPP 63,464 remains an accurate estimate of what an average nurse earns in Ireland. While international comparisons are difficult, due to differences in how the figures are compiled, the OECD is the best source of data and the actual salary figures reported by the OECD do not suggest that nurses are low paid.”

Does US$ PPP 63,464 convert to about €56000 at current rates ? I take it this is the average across all grades.

backspin. · 06-02-2019 10:46pm

Mocadonna wrote: »

Yes unlike a lot of people in this thread I've checked the salary scales on the INMO site and other grades from the HSE. It's just mad that people are arguing over an OECD report being inaccurate, while also cheerleading people who say after 20 years experience a nurse is earning 30-35k when there is information to the contrary readily available.

With their allowances they could easily rise to well over 50K, in line with the other grades they compare themselves to. If they get their 12% payrise will they then be earning more than OT's and Radiographers and Physios when you take account of the allowances etc.

STB. · 06-02-2019 10:47pm

alloywheel wrote: »

And indeed public sector pay and pensions spiralling since 2002 is part of the reason the debt of the country is so high.

You are clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer and obviously someone with an axe to grind against nurses and public service workers.

Get some genuine arguments if you want to have a pop at frontline staff.

Public service pay and pensions have reduced since 2009. A thing called FEMPI. Then there was FEMPI Pension related deduction meaning employees of the state paid more towards their pension.

The Public Service Pay and Pensions Bill 2017 underpins the restoration of financial emergency (FEMPI) pay cuts imposed during the economic crisis.

Let us know how you are getting on for your audacious claims about the 100,000 nurses (out of 36,000 employed) that go sick every month.

06-02-2019 10:53pm

1641 wrote: »

In relation to the INMO pay claim for parity with Physios, OTs, etc., this is what the Independent Pay Commission concluded:

"Furthermore, given the strength of conviction expressed to the Commission by the profession about the pay and status comparison with what they regard as comparable health professions and the need for fundamental reforms which will impact signicantly on nursing and midwifery in the context of implementing Sláintecare, the Commission believes there would be value in considering a more general review embracing the full spectrum of issues relating to scope and role (including task transfer), structure, operational flexibilities, management responsibilities, professional development and other measures designed to improve the quality and effciency of service delivery in an integrated way, alongside any compensation issues to be argued by the staff side."

It seems to that they were somewhat sceptical of the claim but recommended it be reviewed in the context of reforms to improve quality and efficiency of service delivery.

The INMO accepted the Commission so why reject it conclusions ? Because it suggested the claim could only be considered in the context of reforms?

As none of the nursing reps have answered this, I'll give my take on it. The INMO know that significant reforms and changes are coming down the line if Slaintecare develops. They also know that all groups will be looking for sweeteners and allowances for their cooperation. The INMO will not be at the back of the queue for this. So they want to get a pay claim in and settled now so that they can pocket it and come back for more in return for reform later.

Mad_maxx · 06-02-2019 10:54pm

alloywheel wrote: »

Correct. And we pay our nurses here far more (it costs the taxpayer here more) than nurses earn (get paid by the UK taxpayer) in the NHS, which is a more efficient system, less waiting lists, less people on trolleys etc.

Comparing nurses salaries to the richest countries where they have huge natural resources (oil, mining etc) gets nobody anywhere. This country is 200 billion in the red, thanks to very large public sector pay and pensions as it is.

Using Australia as a comparison is meaningless, nurses in Greece have as much credibility demanding higher wages because "Australia pays it"

Mad_maxx · 06-02-2019 10:56pm

STB. wrote: »

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The reason this country is in the red is through irresponsible lending, irresponsible developers gambling on a continued celtic tiger, and finally the bailing out of unsecured bondholders who wanted their money back having gambled on private businesses.

Its nothing to do with nurses pay nor pensions.

Go back to school.

Convenient cherry picking

facehugger99 · 06-02-2019 10:58pm

STB. wrote: »

You are clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer

Whereas you seem like the nicest nurse on the ward.

Mad_maxx · 06-02-2019 11:00pm

1641 wrote: »

jeonahr wrote: »

Source please, I had read somewhere that the average nurse’s pay was just under the national average. My father is a senior nurse with almost 20 years experience in this country alone and only earns €30,000-€35,000 per annum and this is usually with a minimum of one day overtime every week.[/QUOTE]

In response to questions from The Irish Times, the Department of Public Expenditure later released figures which show that average pay for nurses is €57-58,000 a year when allowances and premium payments are included. It also said 83 per cent of nurses and midwives earn over €40,000 in basic salary, excluding allowances.

As regards your father's alleged annual earnings, how is that even possible? Excluding allowances and premiums, the basic staff nurse scale goes far higher than this.

Old Union tutored trick of only quoting NET pay after tax

Mocadonna · 06-02-2019 11:02pm

backspin. wrote: »

With their allowances they could easily rise to well over 50K, in line with the other grades they compare themselves to. If they get their 12% payrise will they then be earning more than OT's and Radiographers and Physios when you take account of the allowances etc.

We are told we can't take the allowances into account by the nurses though - neglecting the fact the other grades get none of these. A 12% pay rise would see a nurse earning significantly more than the OT they work with. Would this be fair or right? I'd need to hear from an OT and OT nurse really to know.

If this is the road they want to go down I can see the OT saying you earn more than me - you do my job... and we're into pay disputes for everyone.

alloywheel · 06-02-2019 11:10pm

Mocadonna wrote: »

We are told we can't take the allowances into account by the nurses though

Allowances are part of their income though. Of course they should be taken in to account.

"the HSE has provided contrasting figures showing the average pay — including allowances and other extras for unsociable hours — comes to €57,000."
https://www.thesun.ie/news/3715917/irish-nurses-salaries-comparison-teachers-gardai-strike/

backspin. · 06-02-2019 11:12pm

Mocadonna wrote: »

We are told we can't take the allowances into account by the nurses though - neglecting the fact the other grades get none of these. A 12% pay rise would see a nurse earning significantly more than the OT they work with. Would this be fair or right?.

It would certainly not be right, nurses get paid training and to be honest its a relatively new degree qualified profession. 20 years ago it didn't require a degree and many would say it still shouldn't.

I think their choices are stay as things are with their current wage + allowances or drop the allowances and get paid the same as an OT or Physio. But its ridiculous to think they should be paid better than those other professions. Especially considering the much higher points requirements to get in to university to study those subjects and where there are far fewer opportunities once qualified.

If you qualify as a dietitian or a radiographer you'd be lucky to get a job near where you live. The same is not the case for nurses.

STB. · 06-02-2019 11:14pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Whereas you seem like the nicest nurse on the ward.

I'm not caring enough to be one I'm afraid. Besides the money is shít.

06-02-2019 11:15pm

Mocadonna wrote: »

We are told we can't take the allowances into account by the nurses though - neglecting the fact the other grades get none of these.

Absolutely not. Sile wouldn't allow that. And after tax income only - for part-timers!

Any nursing reps about that could explain these, who gets them, amount, etc.?

Qualification Entitlement/Allowance
Dual Qualified Allowance
Sunday Allowance
Sunday Premium
Night Duty Allowance
Unit Allowance
Nurse Coordinator Allowance
Specialist Coordinator Allowance
Community Allowance
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy(Qualified)
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy (Unqualified)

Also, what is the overtime rate ? And is it the same for public holidays?

alloywheel · 06-02-2019 11:23pm

1641 wrote: »

Absolutely not. Sile wouldn't allow that. And after tax income only - for part-timers!

Any nursing reps about that could explain these, who gets them, amount, etc.?

Qualification Entitlement/Allowance
Dual Qualified Allowance
Sunday Allowance
Sunday Premium
Night Duty Allowance
Unit Allowance
Nurse Coordinator Allowance
Specialist Coordinator Allowance
Community Allowance
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy(Qualified)
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy (Unqualified)

Also, what is the overtime rate ? And is it the same for public holidays?

Do not hold your breath waiting for them to answer that. All they will say is "the money is ****". Even though various links were provided showing their average was €57,000.

Mocadonna · 06-02-2019 11:25pm

1641 wrote: »

Absolutely not. Sile wouldn't allow that. And after tax income only - for part-timers!

Any nursing reps about that could explain these, who gets them, amount, etc.?

Qualification Entitlement/Allowance
Dual Qualified Allowance
Sunday Allowance
Sunday Premium
Night Duty Allowance
Unit Allowance
Nurse Coordinator Allowance
Specialist Coordinator Allowance
Community Allowance
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy(Qualified)
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy (Unqualified)

Also, what is the overtime rate ? And is it the same for public holidays?

Ah no, a lot of these people go very quiet when asked direct questions such as this. A lot of the debate around is anecdotal and facts are thrown aside.

The only thing I will say is if you're working nights, weekends or are doing overtime you should absolutely be paid for this in my view. But that goes for all grades and all jobs. It is draining at times but once you take the payment for it you kind of lose any right to complain about it. That's coming from someone who does shift work though so I might be biased!

hawkelady · 06-02-2019 11:28pm

1641 wrote: »

Absolutely not. Sile wouldn't allow that. And after tax income only - for part-timers!

Any nursing reps about that could explain these, who gets them, amount, etc.?

Qualification Entitlement/Allowance
Dual Qualified Allowance
Sunday Allowance
Sunday Premium
Night Duty Allowance
Unit Allowance
Nurse Coordinator Allowance
Specialist Coordinator Allowance
Community Allowance
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy(Qualified)
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy (Unqualified)

Also, what is the overtime rate ? And is it the same for public holidays?

Wtf is sile ????? Are you really that uneducated ? Please get someone to proof read your tripe

STB. · 06-02-2019 11:33pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Convenient cherry picking

Thank you, I dumbed it down especially for you.

40% of our GDP goes to one source - where ?

Bailing out unsecured gambling bondholders and bank recapitalisation cost us how much ?

What was the cause of it all ? Was it how much nurses where being paid ?

alloywheel wrote: »

Do not hold your breath waiting for them to answer that. All they will say is "the money is ****". Even though various links were provided showing their average was €57,000.

You have no credibility. Still waiting for your source for the 100,000 nursing staff out of a staff compliment of 36,000 that YOU CLAIM take sick days every month there Einstein.

Mocadonna · 06-02-2019 11:34pm

backspin. wrote: »

It would certainly not be right, nurses get paid training and to be honest its a relatively new degree qualified profession. 20 years ago it didn't require a degree and many would say it still shouldn't.

I think their choices are stay as things are with their current wage + allowances or drop the allowances and get paid the same as an OT or Physio. But its ridiculous to think they should be paid better than those other professions. Especially considering the much higher points requirements to get in to university to study those subjects and where there are far fewer opportunities once qualified.

If you qualify as a dietitian or a radiographer you'd be lucky to get a job near where you live. The same is not the case for nurses.

Yeah I agree - I'm just trying to see if someone could provide any kind of compelling argument as to why this should be the case. Not "Sure all an OT does is fill out forms all day" or some such because I can't see one to be honest.

alloywheel · 06-02-2019 11:36pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Wtf is sile ????? Are you really that uneducated ? Please get someone to proof read your tripe

Charming reply. 1641 made a very relevant post, it is up to some nursing reps to explain these if they want to present their case. It has already been established , with a source, that "the HSE has provided contrasting figures showing the average pay — including allowances and other extras for unsociable hours — comes to €57,000."

backspin. · 06-02-2019 11:36pm

The trouble is if you give the Staff Nurses more then you have to give all the nursing grades above them more too. Public Health Nurses, Clinical Nurse Managers, Advanced Nurse Practitioner etc.

06-02-2019 11:38pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Wtf is sile ????? Are you really that uneducated ? Please get someone to proof read your tripe

Sorry, Sile = Phil. I am not sure what education has to do with remembering the name of the INMO big boss!

Now, are you ready to answer the question. You could further my education, seeing as you are interested in that department. Don't worry about typos. The facts will do.

craggyjack · 06-02-2019 11:40pm

1641 wrote: »

Absolutely not. Sile wouldn't allow that. And after tax income only - for part-timers!

Any nursing reps about that could explain these, who gets them, amount, etc.?

Qualification Entitlement/Allowance
Dual Qualified Allowance
Sunday Allowance
Sunday Premium
Night Duty Allowance
Unit Allowance
Nurse Coordinator Allowance
Specialist Coordinator Allowance
Community Allowance
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy(Qualified)
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy (Unqualified)

Also, what is the overtime rate ? And is it the same for public holidays?

Qualification Entitlement/Allowance €2,791 per annum
Dual Qualified Allowance €1,395 per annum
Sunday Allowance Never heard of this!
Sunday Premium Double time
Night Duty Allowance Time and a quarter
Unit Allowance If you mean location allowance, €1,858 per annum
Nurse Coordinator Allowance Never heard of this!
Specialist Coordinator Allowance Never heard of this!
Community Allowance €4,962 - €5,911 per annum
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy(Qualified) €3,732 per annum
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy (Unqualified) €1,702 per annum

Also, what is the overtime rate ? And is it the same for public holidays?Overtime is generally paid at time and a quarter, except when it is on night duty after midnight when it is double pay, Saturday after four hours at time and a quarter then double time.

Mocadonna · 06-02-2019 11:41pm

alloywheel wrote: »

Charming reply. 1641 made a very relevant post, it is up to some nursing reps to explain these if they want to present their case. It has already been established , with a source, that "the HSE has provided contrasting figures showing the average pay — including allowances and other extras for unsociable hours — comes to €57,000."

No no, ignore all that and pick on spelling or teach someone a "LESSON" to read stuff and research. And the same people whooping and hollering then when someone makes a completely false claim that a nurse with 20 years experience is on 30-35k. You literally couldn't make it up.

alloywheel · 06-02-2019 11:42pm

STB. wrote: »

You have no credibility. Still waiting for your source for the 100,000 nursing staff out of a staff compliment of 36,000 that YOU CLAIM take sick days every month there Einstein.

I have no credibility? lol. I provided numerous sources. And I quote posts. I was talking about the absenteeism in HSE, not just the nurses, as more than nurses work in the HSE. The absenteeism problem in the HSE is not just limited to nurses you know. And I quoted the source showing there was over 110,000 employed by the HSE in one way or another.
And you calling me Einstein and other names reminds me of a rude nurse who used to verbally abuse some of her patients. Charming.

STB. · 06-02-2019 11:45pm

So I googled the salary and allowances for nurses, given the reluctance of many to do the same.

They are published on the INMO's website.

https://www.inmo.ie/tempDocs/Salary%20scales%201%20January%202018.pdf

So 14,150 for a student nurse.

Post qualification - 24,604.

Then qualified staff nurses and midwives have a starting point of 28,768 rising to 43,000 after 11 years (they get a grand for each extra year they work).

alloywheel · 06-02-2019 11:45pm

Mocadonna wrote: »

No no, ignore all that and pick on spelling or teach someone a "LESSON" to read stuff and research. And the same people whooping and hollering then when someone makes a completely false claim that a nurse with 20 years experience is on 30-35k. You literally couldn't make it up.

What has that to do with the price of butter? If I said something incorrect then say so.

hawkelady · 06-02-2019 11:48pm

alloywheel wrote: »

What has that to do with the price of butter? If I said something incorrect then say so.

Lol , old re-reg must be getting hot under the collar. ! Leo’s working him too hard

Mocadonna · 06-02-2019 11:49pm

alloywheel wrote: »

What has that to do with the price of butter? If I said something incorrect then say so.

I'm on your side! I'm saying the people correcting spelling and like the guy telling you to read and research your responses are more than happy to go along with anecdotal claims that have no basis in fact.

hawkelady · 06-02-2019 11:52pm

Mocadonna wrote: »

I'm on your side! I'm saying the people correcting spelling and like the guy telling you to read and research your responses are more than happy to go along with anecdotal claims that have no basis in fact.

Lol, aawwww ... go on , hold hands ... I’m on your side !! Lololol

STB. · 06-02-2019 11:56pm

alloywheel wrote: »

I have no credibility? lol. I provided numerous sources. And I quote posts. I was talking about the absenteeism in HSE, not just the nurses, as more than nurses work in the HSE. The absenteeism problem in the HSE is not just limited to nurses you know. And I quoted the source showing there was over 110,000 employed by the HSE in one way or another.
And you calling me Einstein and other names reminds me of a rude nurse who used to verbally abuse some of her patients. Charming.

You provided no sources.

You claimed that 100,000 nurses where out sick every month. Even if you had used the entire figures employed directly by the HSE 65,000 (thats admin and medical staff) and the 35,000 funded in outside agencies, it would mean that 90% of the staff are out sick every month. WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE ?

John Duns Scotus would be proud of you..

06-02-2019 11:58pm

craggyjack wrote: »

Qualification Entitlement/Allowance €2,791 per annum
Dual Qualified Allowance €1,395 per annum
Sunday Allowance Never heard of this!
Sunday Premium Double time
Night Duty Allowance Time and a quarter
Unit Allowance If you mean location allowance, €1,858 per annum
Nurse Coordinator Allowance Never heard of this!
Specialist Coordinator Allowance Never heard of this!
Community Allowance €4,962 - €5,911 per annum
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy(Qualified) €3,732 per annum
Nurse assigned to Occupational Therapy (Unqualified) €1,702 per annum

Also, what is the overtime rate ? And is it the same for public holidays?Overtime is generally paid at time and a quarter, except when it is on night duty after midnight when it is double pay, Saturday after four hours at time and a quarter then double time.

Thanks craggyjack.
You have furthered my education! Hawkelady will be pleased.

alloywheel · 06-02-2019 11:59pm

STB. wrote: »

You provided no sources.

You claimed that 100,000 nurses where out sick every month.

LIE. Show me where I said those words. I did not use the word nurses. I was talking about the HSE. I know the post number. Let you find it.

And I did not say "every month". Watch your words and do not accuse me of something I did not say.

n.b Even if you just google "100,000 absenteeism in the HSE", the Examiner says "A STARTLING 100,000 working days were lost in one month in the HSE due to absenteeism." That was in 2009, before numbers rose to the levels they are at today.

Now answer the questions put to you.

Mocadonna · 07-02-2019 12:00am

hawkelady wrote: »

Lol, aawwww ... go on , hold hands ... I’m on your side !! Lololol

You have just proved my point. Calling out others for spelling while acting like a baby.

By the way STB that's the 2018 salary scale you condescendingly posted, not 2019. So again... People in glass houses.

AllForIt · 07-02-2019 12:01am

It will be something like a percentage of what they are asking for with promises of incremental increases over the next 5 years or so. They usually end up something like that. Saving face on both sides.

Martina1991 · 07-02-2019 12:02am

STB. wrote:

Then qualified staff nurses and midwives have a starting point of 28,768 rising to 43,000 after 11 years (they get a grand for each extra year they work).

We know this. The salary scale has been posted a few times in this thread.

I would agree the scale is poor compared to other health care professions but there are also many allowences available to nurses that the others do not have. As well as post grad qualifications being paid for.

I know "not all nurses" get these allowances but they cant just be disregarded either, especially when they are not available to the other professions.

hawkelady · 07-02-2019 12:03am

I agree. It’ll be trashed out over the weekend before the 3 days in a row , I reckon. 6 or 7% upfront and the rest over the coming 3-5 years.

Martina1991 · 07-02-2019 12:06am

It would be unfair to have nurses salaries brought in line with other health care workers and still get all the allowances, paid qualifications, overtime, and working nights to accumulate more time off.

07-02-2019 12:07am

STB. wrote: »

So I googled the salary and allowances for nurses, given the reluctance of many to do the same.

They are published on the INMO's website.

https://www.inmo.ie/tempDocs/Salary%20scales%201%20January%202018.pdf

So 14,150 for a student nurse.

Post qualification - 24,604.

Then qualified staff nurses and midwives have a starting point of 28,768 rising to 43,000 after 11 years (they get a grand for each extra year they work).

Yes, we have seen the salary scale, STB. Senior staff nurse up to €47,898, etc.

Other promotional grades too, CNMs, CNSs, etc.

I think the average figure in the discussion relates to average annual earnings , inclusive of allowances, premiums and, presumably overtime. And it covers all grades, not just staff nurse, as these too are included in the pay claim.

alloywheel · 07-02-2019 12:08am

AllForIt wrote: »

It will be something like a percentage of what they are asking for with promises of incremental increases over the next 5 years or so. They usually end up something like that.

Not this time, not with Brexit and probable recession coming, what with all thats going on in the world, Trump, China, Italy now in recession, the housing bubble in OZ burst etc.. And especially not considering our nurses are already some of the best paid in the world.

STB. · 07-02-2019 12:10am

1641 wrote: »

Yes, we have seen the salary scale, STB. Senior staff nurse up to €47,898, etc.

Other promotional grades too, CNMs, CNSs, etc.

I think the average figure in the discussion relates to average annual earnings , inclusive of allowances, premiums and, presumably overtime. And it covers all grades, not just staff nurse, as these too are included in the pay claim.

But I gather they are not all CNMs. The majority start on a basic of 28k (after completing a 4 year degree course) rising to a max of 43 grand after 11 year pay on that payscale, with 1 thousand euro increments in between.

It really is terrible money for such shít working conditions.

jlm29 · 07-02-2019 12:18am

STB. wrote: »

But I gather they are not all CNMs. The majority start on a basic of 28k (after completing a 4 year degree course) rising to a max of 43 grand after 11 year pay on that payscale, with 1 thousand euro increments in between.

It really is terrible money for such shít working conditions.

They may not all start as CNMs, but there are many opportunities available for career progression for those that want them. From what I’ve seen, many nurses who do not move away from shift work at ward level choose this, because it suits their family life, childcare arrangements, etc.
Postgraduate study is frequently funded by the hse, and promotions created to meet them when they get their postgrad certs.

07-02-2019 12:19am

hawkelady wrote: »

I agree. It’ll be trashed out over the weekend before the 3 days in a row , I reckon. 6 or 7% upfront and the rest over the coming 3-5 years.

They can't capitulate unfortunately. Also, if nurses get their pay rise, every other profession will strike.

backspin. · 07-02-2019 12:22am

Deleted User wrote: »

They can't capitulate unfortunately. Also, if nurses get their pay rise, every other profession will strike.

We are slap bang in the middle of an existing pay agreement. Other Public Servants will not sit quietly if that is broken for nurses.

07-02-2019 12:22am

STB. wrote: »

But I gather they are not all CNMs. The majority start on a basic of 28k (after completing a 4 year degree course) rising to a max of 43 grand after 11 year pay on that payscale, with 1 thousand euro increments in between.

It really is terrible money for such shít working conditions.

Of course not. I assume the majority will be staff nurses. But staff nurses must be, on average, earning quite a lot more that the basic pay scale salary, given the overall annual earnings for all grades (wte). There are quite a few allowances/premiums available for nurses. Then there is overtime.
Some may not like overtime, but it has always appealed to some - particularly double time shifts.

backspin. · 07-02-2019 12:23am

STB. wrote: »

But I gather they are not all CNMs. The majority start on a basic of 28k (after completing a 4 year degree course) rising to a max of 43 grand after 11 year pay on that payscale, with 1 thousand euro increments in between.

It really is terrible money for such shít working conditions.

43 is not the max, you missed the LSI and those are the 2018 figures you are quoting.

45,703 is the max.

You ignoring their allowances?

https://inmo.ie/salary_information

Martina1991 · 07-02-2019 12:24am

STB. wrote:

It really is terrible money for such shÃt working conditions.

I agree with you.

But increasing the salaries of the top-heavy tier of nurses is not fair and is a big obstacle for agreeing to their demands.

STB. · 07-02-2019 12:27am

alloywheel wrote: »

LIE. Show me where I said those words. I did not use the word nurses. I was talking about the HSE. I know the post number. Let you find it.
And I did not say "every month". Watch your words and do not accuse me of something I did not say.

You are not the brightest. I have quoted this to you 4 times already.

alloywheel wrote: »

If there was not 100,000 days a month lost to absenteeism it would help a lot. The slighest bit of a cold or a hangover or an ache and they are off. Even nurses themselves admit that.

You were responding to the previous post. This thread is called "Do you think nurses will get their payrise".

alloywheel wrote: »

n.b Even if you just google "100,000 absenteeism in the HSE", the Examiner says "A STARTLING 100,000 working days were lost in one month in the HSE due to absenteeism." That was in 2009, before numbers rose to the levels they are at today.

Now answer the questions put to you.

Again that's not what you said.

Given the numbers employed in the HSE and in agencies funded by the HSE total 110,000 (65,000 directly employed). It would be nigh impossible to have an abenteesim rate of 100,000 staff in one month.

The number of nurses employed by the HSE have dropped since 2009, not risen.

Like I have said throughout this thread, get your facts right or take your inane ramblings and audacious claims elsewhere.

Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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