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Louise O'Neill on manned mission to Mars: "Why not go to Venus?" (MOD Warning post 1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I like your post but

    Wtf does this mean though?

    It means she's bae which is shorthand for babe and is said to stand for before anyone else. Woke AF (as fuck) means she's enlightened and is what she said about Tupac Shakur. Now, let me categorically state I don't believe either of those things for a second but am just having a bit of craic. One poster here doesn't seem to catch the sarcasm dripping off the posts though.

    Period.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    That last point is obviously sarcastic.

    I stand corrected!!!!!!!! You finally got it!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Killer retort.
    You'll probably notice it actually was a retort which yours wasn't.

    You offered a rubbish analogy and run away when faced with a realistic one.

    Don't feel too bad. For some reason LON brings the bonkers out in her detractors.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    You'll probably notice it actually was a retort which yours wasn't.

    You offered a rubbish analogy and run away when faced with a realistic one.

    Don't feel too bad. For some reason LON brings the bonkers out in her detractors.

    Don't see too many folks agreeing with your analogy to be fair.

    How you make anything I said out to be bonkers is bemusing. Almost as though you're looking for a reaction. You wouldn't do that surely?

    Everyone else can see what the article is, LON's latest attempt to appeal to similarly hypersensitive, perma offended whinge bags. I think most rational folks see her and her articles for what they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    givyjoe wrote: »

    Don't see too many folks agreeing with your analogy to be fair.

    How you make anything I said out to be bonkers is bemusing. Almost as though you're looking for a reaction. You wouldn't do that surely?

    Everyone else can see what the article is, LON's latest attempt to appeal to similarly hypersensitive, perma offended whinge bags. I think most rational folks see her and her articles for what they are.

    You don't get the analogy? Asking for someone's relationship status and assuming their sexual orientation. It's what actually happened and LON noticed it and wrote about it. No big deal. It's an example of the kinds of bias we all have and the resistance to even acknowledge is amusing at least.

    The lengths you need to go to discredit the simple and accurate fact she points out is amusing. But what would be the worst case scenario if people didn't assume sexual orientation?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    You don't get the analogy? Asking for someone's relationship status and assuming their sexual orientation. It's what actually happened and LON noticed it and wrote about it. No big deal. It's an example of the kinds of bias we all have and the resistance to even acknowledge is amusing at least.

    The lengths you need to go to discredit the simple and accurate fact she points out is amusing. But what would be the worst case scenario if people didn't assume sexual orientation?

    What exactly is the problem with someone assuming you're in the overwhelming cohort of hetero people. Why exactly is that offensive? Why the need to write a moany article droning on about something so inoccuous...

    As for bias, it isn't. That infers some kind of preferential treatment. There is zero evidence of that here. Speaking of evidence, odds on this never actually having happened, high I'd say.


    Your inability to read a clearly worded post, is most definitely not amusing. Resorting to twisting words and looking for meaning that isn't there. My opinion on her articles and her is simple, she's simply trying to appeal to similarly weak minded moaners. See it as discrediting if you wish,

    As for analogy, I was referring to the RUBBISH one relating to petrol cars. I also never said I didn't get it, I said I don't see many people agreeing with it. Please read my posts more carefully rather than misquoting me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    givyjoe wrote: »
    What exactly is the problem with someone assuming you're in the overwhelming cohort of hetero people. Why exactly is that offensive? Why the need to write a moany article droning on about something so inoccuous...

    As for biasz it isn't. That infers some kind of preferential treatment. There is zero evidence of that here. Speaking of evidence, odds on this never actually having happened, high I'd say.


    You're inability to read a clearly worded post, is most definitely not amusing. Resorting to twisting words and looking for meaning that isn't there. My opinion on her articles and her is simple, she's simply trying to appeal to similarly weak minded moaners. See it as discrediting if you wish,

    As for analogy, I was referring to RUBBISH one relating to petrol cars. I also never said I didn't get it, I said I don't see many people agreeing with it. Please read my posts more carefully rather than misquoting me.

    LOL. The cars analogy was RUBBISH and is wasn't mine. Utah triangle came up with it. So too was the people asking for directions analogy RUBBISH. If it's OK with you I'll probably not white anymore words in all caps. You do as you please.

    I didn't say bias infers preferential treatment. It doesn't have to do so to be an interesting point. You seem to assume loads of subtext into what I've said. The fact that heterosexuality is assumed is an interesting point especially given the change in acceptance of other sexual orientations.

    It always takes people time to catch up with changes in culture. I don't assume any negative intention (nor did LON mention any such assumption). The logical step is to not assume sexual orientation unless someone actually mentions it. Its just normal politeness really (though it's a slightly new area because people can now safely discuss sexual orientations apart from heterosexual). I can't for the life of me figure out why that's so threatening to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    I think this thread should be moved to the County Cork forum maybe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    I think this thread should be moved to the County Cork forum maybe?

    Maybe this one from you should have been moved to the Dublin forum?

    You've also had quite a few of your threads moved to the Celeb and Showbiz forum. Hardly one to talk.

    Look, stop being a hater on Louise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    LOL. The cars analogy was RUBBISH and is wasn't mine. Utah triangle came up with it. So too was the people asking for directions analogy RUBBISH. If it's OK with you I'll probably not white anymore words in all caps. You do as you please.

    I didn't say bias infers preferential treatment. It doesn't have to do so to be an interesting point. You seem to assume loads of subtext into what I've said. The fact that heterosexuality is assumed is an interesting point especially given the change in acceptance of other sexual orientations.

    It always takes people time to catch up with changes in culture. I don't assume any negative intention (nor did LON mention any such assumption). The logical step is to not assume sexual orientation unless someone actually mentions it. Its just normal politeness really (though it's a slightly new area because people can now safely discuss sexual orientations apart from heterosexual). I can't for the life of me figure out why that's so threatening to you.

    His was fine, yours not so much. I can't for the life of me understand why you keep twisting words into something that isn't true? I find this bollocksology threatening?! Not as threatening as you find.... CAPS LOCK! ROFL.

    Ps, I suggest you look at the definition of bias.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09



    You haven't explained why it's ok to assume someone is not blind when speaking to them on the telephone, but not ok to assume some's sexual orientation as heterosexual. What is your reasoning?
    Nobody asked up to now. Who said I think it's OK to assume someone's not blind? I certainly didn't offer an opinion either way. My main point would be that analogy is crap but I'll answer your question anyway.

    The first and most simple answer is that I don't even know how to give directions on the phone without using visual cues. I'm not equipped to give directions to a blind person because I'm ignorant of how blind people navigate. So if I were asked to give directions I could only do it using visual cues. If I assumed the person isn't blind it's probably because of a bias I hold.

    In the absence of any other Information like the person on telling me that they're blind so they need specific instructions, then I probably would assume they're not blind. That might be something for me to think about but I don't think I'm equipped to give directions

    On the other hand If someone said they were dating I could easily imagine alternative scenarios except heterosexual relationship.

    If anyone wants to tell me how to give directions to a blind person, I'd be interested to know.

    I hope that answers your question.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Nobody asked up to now. Who said I think it's OK to assume someone's not blind? I certainly didn't offer an opinion either way. My main point would be that analogy is crap but I'll answer your question anyway.

    The first and most simple answer is that I don't even know how to give directions on the phone without using visual cues. I'm not equipped to give directions to a blind person because I'm ignorant of how blind people navigate. So if I were asked to give directions I could only do it using visual cues. If I assumed the person isn't blind it's probably because of a bias I hold.

    In the absence of any other Information like the person on telling me that they're blind so they need specific instructions, then I probably would assume they're not blind. That might be something for me to think about but I don't think I'm equipped to give directions

    On the other hand If someone said they were dating I could easily imagine alternative scenarios except heterosexual relationship.

    If anyone wants to tell me how to give directions to a blind person, I'd be interested to know.

    I hope that answers your question.

    Wow.. I must have really gotten under your skin for you to put THAT much effort into the above.

    You were calling me bonkers earlier.... Hmmm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Maybe this one from you should have been moved to the Dublin forum?

    You've also had quite a few of your threads moved to the Celeb and Showbiz forum. Hardly one to talk.

    Look, stop being a hater on Louise.
    I'm not obliged to like her, but a lot of people on here talk about her non stop like she's the most important person on Ireland. Only for Boards I would never have heard of her. And I won't believe she's going to Mars until NASA say so.

    If this was in the Cork forum I wouldn't have to see it on the first page of After Hours. She's just a writer. Period. Why the big deal about her? She's nothing special. End quote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Wow.. I must have really gotten under your skin for you to put THAT much effort into the above.

    You were calling me bonkers earlier.... Hmmm.
    Answering a question honestly and with consideration is bonkers in your opinion? I wasn't accusing you of answering any questions with honesty and thought BTW. Quite the opposite.

    Feel free to address any of the points from my post if you can. Your repartee isn't nearly as entertaining as you think it is. Amusing sometimes though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    This thread really has run its course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    I'm not obliged to like her, but a lot of people on here talk about her non stop like she's the most important person on Ireland. Only for Boards I would never have heard of her. And I won't believe she's going to Mars until NASA say so.

    She's not actually going to Mars. You sound like you're on another planet yourself, all the same. It's the mods having a bitta fun with the thread title. Remember it took that poster MikeyTaylor a few weeks to figure it out? Same craic here.
    If this was in the Cork forum I wouldn't have to see it on the first page of After Hours. She's just a writer. Period. Why the big deal about her? She's nothing special. End quote.

    Do you know that the full stop itself suffices as a period. It also suffices as an end quote. Period. End quote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    This thread really has run its course.

    You're not obliged to post in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    Omackeral wrote: »
    She's not actually going to Mars. You sound like you're on another planet yourself, all the same. It's the mods having a bitta fun with the thread title. Remember it took that poster MikeyTaylor a few weeks to figure it out? Same craic here.



    Do you know that the full stop itself suffices as a period. It also suffices as an end quote. Period. End quote.

    It's very, very annoying.
    "In today's Herald, some bird called Louise from clonakilty gives us her boring feminism thread. The Herald - every side of Cork."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    It's very, very annoying.
    "In today's Herald, some bird called Louise from clonakilty gives us her boring feminism thread. The Herald - every side of Cork."

    Then ignore it. Period.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Nobody asked up to now. Who said I think it's OK to assume someone's not blind? I certainly didn't offer an opinion either way. My main point would be that analogy is crap but I'll answer your question anyway.

    The first and most simple answer is that I don't even know how to give directions on the phone without using visual cues. I'm not equipped to give directions to a blind person because I'm ignorant of how blind people navigate. So if I were asked to give directions I could only do it using visual cues. If I assumed the person isn't blind it's probably because of a bias I hold.

    In the absence of any other Information like the person on telling me that they're blind so they need specific instructions, then I probably would assume they're not blind. That might be something for me to think about but I don't think I'm equipped to give directions

    On the other hand If someone said they were dating I could easily imagine alternative scenarios except heterosexual relationship.

    If anyone wants to tell me how to give directions to a blind person, I'd be interested to know.

    I hope that answers your question.

    The vast majority of people aren't blind it would be ridiculous to ask someone if they are blind before giving directions. If it turns out they are blind they'll let you know.
    Is your response anything to do with my post? Did I suggest anyone should ask people if they're blind?

    I doubt you're asking in,good faith but I'll respond in good faith anyway. I'd tend up agree that the onus is on a blind person to say they want directions in a particular way. I'm ignorant of how to direct a blind person so I would need that information to direct anyone except people with sight.

    On the other hand I am not ignorant of how someone could be in a relationship without being heterosexual. Do you follow?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭Tikki Wang Wang


    I hear she has a new book out? Be nice to see her on the Telly again!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Not the worst in the world, is she? My perception of her used to be based on what I'd read about her here. There was a thread with most of the posters calling her a sap for about 90 pages, but I listened to her on a podcast and she's just a normal girl really, a normal girl with anxiety about what people think of her and insecurities about her work.

    She's far more relatable than I first thought. The way people slag her off on this I thought she was like a sort of Katie Hopkins type, but she seemed very pleasant, funny and down to earth.

    I don't know a great deal about her work or her politics, but as a personality I found her quite endearing. You can't really doubt her success either. Good on her I say.

    That's all really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I have no idea who she is. Is she the one who bought a flat in the docklands years ago and then was moaning in the indo every week because the price went down?


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭HamSarris


    Louise O'Neill wants manholes to be changed to womanholes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Not the worst in the world, is she? My perception of her used to be based on what I'd read about her here. There was a thread with most of the posters calling her a sap for about 90 pages, but I listened to her on a podcast and she's just a normal girl really, a normal girl with anxiety about what people think of her and insecurities about her work.

    She's far more relatable than I first thought. The way people slag her off on this I thought she was like a sort of Katie Hopkins type, but she seemed very pleasant, funny and down to earth.

    I don't know a great deal about her work or her politics, but as a personality I found her quite endearing. You can't really doubt her success either. Good on her I say.

    That's all really.


    Ah yea, she has a boyfriend now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 775 ✭✭✭Roadtoad


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    D'ya know..I won't even bother..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I have no idea who she is. Is she the one who bought a flat in the docklands years ago and then was moaning in the indo every week because the price went down?

    No, not Louise o@neill, that was different person. Forget the name of her but she spent €500,000 on a two bed apartment as the crash was well under way, She was a journalist for the Indo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    HamSarris wrote: »
    Louise O'Neill wants manholes to be changed to womanholes

    I think if a person wants a sex change that's none of my business ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    No, not Louise o@neill, that was different person. Forget the name of her but she spent €500,000 on a two bed apartment as the crash was well under way, She was a journalist for the Indo.

    It was Niamh Horan wasnt it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    She might have been reading her colleague's article, Brendan O'Connor saying 'the smart fellas are buying up property', as the market and economy folded around his jug handle like ears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Diana Warm Litter


    py2006 wrote: »
    Ah yea, she has a boyfriend now...

    she's gone awfully quiet since she hooked up with the guy from Newstalk....she's not burning the place down ….maybe that's what the offended 3rd wave feminsits need....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    she's gone awfully quiet since she hooked up with the guy from Newstalk....she's not burning the place down ….maybe that's what the offended 3rd wave feminsits need....

    Could be. I often think the lads on the other side of the outrage coin could use a good ride to settle them down too, if only they could get it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Could be. I often think the lads on the other side of the outrage coin could use a good ride to settle them down too, if only they could get it.

    To be fair, there are very few problems to which a good ride is not the answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    To be fair, there are very few problems to which a good ride is not the answer.

    Piles.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    retalivity wrote: »
    It was Niamh Horan wasnt it?

    No not Horan, Alison O'Riordan
    TWO years ago I bought my apartment and swapped the leafy suburbs of my family home in Rathmines for life as a city slicker in the sought-after riverside location of Grand Canal Quay in Dublin 2.

    When I began my search of properties in early 2008 I knew exactly what I wanted. A two-bed apartment designed for modern living with a roof garden and outdoor space with great views of the happening city. When I saw just this in May of that year, it accelerated my impulse to buy immediately, even though the market was softening.

    The two-bed showroom apartment on the fifth floor of a six-storey building cost me €525,000 at the time which included a parking space in my development for €45,000. I now see my apartment devalue massively on a daily basis. Hooke and McDonald have said the typical price drop for apartments in city-centre locations is 40 per cent.

    When I contacted my property consultant HT Meagher O'Reilly this week to find out how much my apartment has dropped, they said these types of units would be on sale for around €300,000 to €325,000 at the minute. I didn't even buy at the peak of the boom, but at a time when I thought things were at a more realistic level.

    It was, however, weeks before the collapse in the middle of 2008, when prices tumbled. I ignored repeated warnings both from my parents and the Central Bank and instead ploughed in head first and handed over the money.I have major regrets thinking about what I did, and what I could have done with all the surplus money that I will have to pay back for many years to come.
    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/i-signed-my-life-away-for-the-sake-of-city-centre-apartment-26642735.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    To be fair, there are very few problems to which a good ride is not the answer.

    i liked one of your posts...an odd feeling...but twas a point well made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    TWO years ago I bought my apartment and swapped the leafy suburbs of my family home in Rathmines for life as a city slicker in the sought-after riverside location of Grand Canal Quay in Dublin 2.

    Ffs, youd swear she moved from roscommon or kerry, rathmines is 4km away!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Fair is fair, Louise’s articles are not as bad as they used to be and she stopped coming out with idiotic stuff on social media.
    This is quite a decent article.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/columnists/louise-oneill/i-promise-you-that-as-hard-as-recovery-from-an-eating-disorder-is-its-worth-it-932194.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Could be. I often think the lads on the other side of the outrage coin could use a good ride to settle them down too, if only they could get it.

    Seems they have something in common with the male feminists. Desperate for the ride.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Fair is fair, Louise’s articles are not as bad as they used to be and she stopped coming out with idiotic stuff on social media.
    This is quite a decent article.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/columnists/louise-oneill/i-promise-you-that-as-hard-as-recovery-from-an-eating-disorder-is-its-worth-it-932194.html
    It is too.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    El Duderino was never able to compete in terms of masculinity in his adolescence, girls weren't interested in him and he ranked low on the totem pole amongst his Male peers. He was likely not very good at sports, the domain where masculinity thrives. This was a very painful experience for El Duderino. As a coping mechanism he came to disdain masculinity, a better alternative than accepting himself as not good enough.

    As a result El Duderino aligned himself with many feminist causes as an outlet to attack masculinity, you can sense the seething rage in him just below the surface. He seeks out any opportunity to have a dig at anyone who has a whiff of masculinity. But it never works, he still deep down feels inadequate, like something is missing. The solution is not insulting others, the solution is revisiting those old wounds from his adolescence and processing them emotionally, accepting them, and finally accepting himself. He'll find he no longer sees masculinity as some form of threat which must be attacked.


    Amazing - reads just like the back cover of a bromance novel by RedPills & Boon.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    B0jangles wrote: »
    RedPills & Boon.
    *salutes* :D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,784 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Wibbs wrote: »
    It is too.

    Phoned in I suspect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    El Duderino was never able to compete in terms of masculinity in his adolescence, girls weren't interested in him and he ranked low on the totem pole amongst his Male peers. He was likely not very good at sports, the domain where masculinity thrives. This was a very painful experience for El Duderino. As a coping mechanism he came to disdain masculinity, a better alternative than accepting himself as not good enough.

    As a result El Duderino aligned himself with many feminist causes as an outlet to attack masculinity, you can sense the seething rage in him just below the surface. He seeks out any opportunity to have a dig at anyone who has a whiff of masculinity. But it never works, he still deep down feels inadequate, like something is missing. The solution is not insulting others, the solution is revisiting those old wounds from his adolescence and processing them emotionally, accepting them, and finally accepting himself. He'll find he no longer sees masculinity as some form of threat which must be attacked.

    Ive seen a few iterations of this post. I think it's nearly word for word the same as you've posted before. It's so detailed that it would be impressive if it was accurate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Fairly on the nose.

    I'm sure you are a smashing bloke when off the net. On here your posts suggest you are not the full shilling!

    But, who is...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    py2006 wrote: »
    Fairly on the nose.

    I'm sure you are a smashing bloke when off the net. On here your posts suggest you are not the full shilling!

    But, who is...

    Erm. Ok. I probably won't make any kind of personal attack on you or the other poster above because i don't pretend to know things about you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Erm. Ok. I probably won't make any kind of personal attack on you or the other poster above because i don't pretend to know things about you.

    I attacked myself personally too. :)

    Enjoy the sunshine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,782 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    she's on the Late Late now, or Darcy's show, whatever its called


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,212 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Shes horrid


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