Skipping breakfast?

Gael23 · 23-12-2018 2:20pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

That myth has been debunked.

What myth?

Alf Veedersane · 23-12-2018 3:25pm

Gael23 wrote: »

What myth?

That your digestive system needs a kickstart after a fast.

Gael23 · 23-12-2018 3:32pm

Well breakfast definitely does bring on a trip to the sh!tter. Experiences that myself

Muscles Schultz · 23-12-2018 4:50pm

I never skip breakfast. At 7.30am every motioning I usually have a medium rare ribeye steak, 2 eggs over easy, couple of tomatoes and fried onion, 4 slices of toast and a pot of coffee. I will invariably need an almighty dump at 10am but it is what my metabolism is attuned to.

killanena · 23-12-2018 8:38pm

Muscles Schultz wrote:

I never skip breakfast. At 7.30am every motioning I usually have a medium rare ribeye steak, 2 eggs over easy, couple of tomatoes and fried onion, 4 slices of toast and a pot of coffee. I will invariably need an almighty dump at 10am but it is what my metabolism is attuned to.

I'm guessing by your user name and your high protein breakfast you are a body builder?

Sounds like a lovely breakfast but would you not get sick of it after having it every day for a lengthy period of time?

Muscles Schultz · 23-12-2018 9:08pm

killanena wrote: »

I'm guessing by your user name and your high protein breakfast you are a body builder?

Sounds like a lovely breakfast but would you not get sick of it after having it every day for a lengthy period of time?

Well I haven’t yet. It’s truly scrumptious!

silverharp · 23-12-2018 10:14pm

according to this if you eat breakfast cereals you might be a bit of a wa@nker

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/28/breakfast-health-america-kellog-food-lifestyle

It was around this time, in the middle of a general healthier living fad, that breakfast cereals got their start at sanatoriums founded by followers of the newly formed Seventh-day Adventist religion.

These religious health gurus opened sanatoriums and introduced people to vegetarian diets and eating bland, whole wheat as a way to counter ill health. The first cereal, invented by James Caleb Jackson, and the better known Kellogg’s brand, invented by John Harvey Kellogg, were both born at sanatoriums.

Jackson was a preacher, and Kellogg a religious man who believed that masturbation was the greatest evil, which bland, healthy foods like corn flakes could prevent. Both Jackson and Kellogg were early Seventh-day Adventists, further tying a sense of religious morality into their ideas around the importance of healthy eating.

Using moralizing rhetoric to sell the idea of a healthy breakfast in the 19th century changed how people thought about the meal, says Carroll. That moralization wasn’t just around religion and health: it also incorporated our reverence for hard work. In the early 20th century, the idea that if you ate a lighter, healthier breakfast you were going to be more efficient and productive at work added “another moralizing layer”, according to Carroll.

The cliche that breakfast is the most important meal – and one with very specific food groups – developed from those early days of cereal.

stateofflux · 24-12-2018 11:47am

I only eat when i am hungry.. used to swear by breakfast for years.. then wasn't hungry in morning for the last 2 years.

then only recently been having very low energy in morning & hunger--- started having porridge with blueberries....noticed big difference in alertness and energy levels

Game of Thrones Fan · 16-08-2019 12:26pm

Keano wrote: »

I had to Google this Dr Hyman and oh he is one of these heal your body through food guys! Also he reckons people drinking diet drinks still get fat because the diet drink counts, not it bloody doesn't. It's the Big Mac the had with it!

So smug aren't you! Tell me, what's stupid about healing your body through food? And what's the alternative? Healing your body through the pharmaceutical drugs pushed at us by doctors. Drugs that don't have side effects? and that aren't manufactured to make someone else rich?

How did you so easily bump into the one stupid thing he said (if it's even stupid) by a simple quick google search.

Dial Hard · 16-08-2019 12:30pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

How did you so easily bump into the one stupid thing he said (if it's even stupid) by a simple quick google search.

How did you manage to get incensed by a thread that's been dead for over 8 months???

Greyfox · 16-08-2019 12:30pm

I always skip breakfast, I'm never hunger early in the morning and I cant break the habit of wanting the extra few minutes for sleep

EmmetSpiceland · 16-08-2019 12:33pm

Greyfox wrote: »

I always skip breakfast, I'm never hunger early in the morning and I cant break the habit of wanting the extra few minutes for sleep

I’m the same.

I might get in a couple of slices of toast or even a banana before heading out to join the “rat race” but I’m usually good until my morning break at 10/10:30am.

Hamsterchops · 16-08-2019 5:39pm

Wasn't bothered with breakfast as a child, but when I turned eighteen (body conscious) somebody gave me the anology of feeding the boiler of a steam train, shovelling in the coal for a brighter fire with more power, and I got the message about feeding my muscles & my brain after a long sleep, hence breaking the fast (break-fast)...

Seemed to make sense at the time, so I still break the fast with a healthy meal at the start of the day (nothing fried).

cj maxx · 16-08-2019 5:47pm

If breakfast is 2 fags and a strong coffee then every day. Though I never have an appetite till I get a bit of a walk and fresh air .

suicide_circus · 16-08-2019 6:00pm

my breakfast is lunch. i guess i brunch every day

FishOnABike · 16-08-2019 6:10pm

Odelay wrote: »

Lol dr Phil. Is he even a real doctor?
Do real doctors watch the show?

Yup, a real doctor, as in doctor, not medical doctor. PhD in Clinical Psychology

killanena · 16-08-2019 6:30pm

Originally Posted by Keano:
"I had to Google this Dr Hyman and oh he is one of these heal your body through food guys! Also he reckons people drinking diet drinks still get fat because the diet drink counts, not it bloody doesn't. It's the Big Mac the had with it!"

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

So smug aren't you! Tell me, what's stupid about healing your body through food? And what's the alternative? Healing your body through the pharmaceutical drugs pushed at us by doctors. Drugs that don't have side effects? and that aren't manufactured to make someone else rich?

How did you so easily bump into the one stupid thing he said (if it's even stupid) by a simple quick google search.

Drinking diet drinks can lead to greater weight gain than drinks with sugar. The diet drinks give the illusion of sugar to your body and if your addicted or very prone to sugar it makes you crave it more the more you drink. You'll often find these people finding that sugar fix elsewhere.

bigar · 16-08-2019 7:10pm

I have never eaten breakfast at home for as long as I can remember and I am never hungry before lunch. I cannot stuff anything in my face after just waking up and I am still surprised anyone can.

My first meal of the day would be lunch with no snacks before that.

bigar · 16-08-2019 7:32pm

killanena wrote: »

Originally Posted by Keano:
Drinking diet drinks can lead to greater weight gain than drinks with sugar. The diet drinks give the illusion of sugar to your body and if your addicted or very prone to sugar it makes you crave it more the more you drink. You'll often find these people finding that sugar fix elsewhere.

I do not believe this has ever been scientifically proven, although there are many theories. I think that this is something the soft drink industry has promoted to give the impression that their regular product is not that bad.

Even if they would drink (or eat) the exact equivalent amount as the sugar content would be in the regular version, the effect would be the same not more.

What it can do is making you believe you can indulge in other fattening stuff as you have not been drinking anything with sugar. It is a bit like going for a jog and then have five beers because you "burnt some calories".

Nevin Parsnipp · 16-08-2019 7:33pm

I find one of those nutri bars is a good way to kick off the day ....gives the gut something to work on but not too filling...that and a cup o tae keeps me going until lunch time .

Raconteuse · 17-08-2019 1:53am

I read plenty of convincing stuff about breakfast being better for your metabolism in the long run etc, but I just don't feel like eating when I get up, so I don't eat until I get hungry, which is usually about two hours after I get up. It just doesn't feel right to eat when I don't feel like eating.

ittakestwo · 17-08-2019 7:40am

I think it's known that adults don't need breakfast and probably would be healtier without.

When looking at tribes around the world that have had no western influence the adults don't eat breakfast and eat in an 8 hour or less window. humans probably evolved from thousands of years of eating in much smaller time windows. Cave men did not wake up in the morning and go to the fridge to get thier breakfast. Probably the longer eating window emerged in the 20th century and when most people started having electricity in thier lives.

Also I heard that alot of athletes eat in an 8 hour window or less. I think I also heard the Dublin Football team eat in an 6 hour window.

If you have always eaten breakfast initialy changing to skipping it will make you feel hungry and your stomach will rumle in the morning because your body got use to you eating then. But after a while your body will reconise the new patern and adapt. Would probably adapt with in a week or two.

letsgo2018 · 17-08-2019 1:44pm

Graces7 wrote: »

That advice is wise in that if you skip breakfast you are then going to get hungry midmorning and eat junk. Eating a breakfast stops that.

Fasting also is dodgy; the body sees what is happening and slows down .

:rolleyes:

completedit · 17-08-2019 1:46pm

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

I find one of those nutri bars is a good way to kick off the day ....gives the gut something to work on but not too filling...that and a cup o tae keeps me going until lunch time .

the health Nazis will tell you to stay away but they're fine. My European mates just eat normal food like this and are in better shape than anybody harping on about stupid fad breakfasts.

Gwynplaine · 17-08-2019 1:50pm

I rarely eat breakfast, but when I do, I'm starving by 11.30. When I dont have breakfast i can get to 1 no problem.

Bobeagleburger · 17-08-2019 1:56pm

It's common sense surely. If you're hungry in the morning eat, if not wait.

If you're putting on weight in either scenario, change your diet.

Personally, I have small meals throughout the day. Definitely works best for me from a productive point of view. If I'm hungry, I'm less productive. Depends on the individual I guess.

17-08-2019 3:53pm

I generally eat two big meals per day.

During the week it’s a big lunch and a big dinner late in the evening and at weekends it’s a big breakfast (around 11am) and a big dinner in the evening.

During the week I’d eat a single small slice of bread and a few cups of tea for breakfast when I get to work (around 9:30am). At weekends I’d have a big fry every Saturday and Sunday late morning but would eat nothing or very little else before dinner.

I do very little snacking during the week might have a small snack here and there at weekends.

17-08-2019 5:18pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

So smug aren't you! Tell me, what's stupid about healing your body through food? And what's the alternative? Healing your body through the pharmaceutical drugs pushed at us by doctors. Drugs that don't have side effects? and that aren't manufactured to make someone else rich?

How did you so easily bump into the one stupid thing he said (if it's even stupid) by a simple quick google search.

There's nothing stupid about sensible eating for health, but there's something very stupid about dismissing modern drugs.

The human landscape would be very different without modern medicine.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-08-2019 6:52pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Wasn't bothered with breakfast as a child, but when I turned eighteen (body conscious) somebody gave me the anology of feeding the boiler of a steam train, shovelling in the coal for a brighter fire with more power, and I got the message about feeding my muscles & my brain after a long sleep, hence breaking the fast (break-fast)...

Seemed to make sense at the time, so I still break the fast with a healthy meal at the start of the day (nothing fried).

There’s nothing unhealthy about a fried or scrambled egg. The egg is a superfood and you don’t need to use loads of oil or butter. Fat in small amounts is grand and indeed necessary. Indeed, I thought the vilification of fat was over.

Raconteuse wrote: »

I read plenty of convincing stuff about breakfast being better for your metabolism in the long run etc, but I just don't feel like eating when I get up, so I don't eat until I get hungry, which is usually about two hours after I get up. It just doesn't feel right to eat when I don't feel like eating.

I don’t know why anyone should force themselves to eat. If the breakfast-skipper feels good and isn’t hungry and getting enough food when you look at the day overall, I say go with it.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-08-2019 7:05pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

So smug aren't you! Tell me, what's stupid about healing your body through food? And what's the alternative? Healing your body through the pharmaceutical drugs pushed at us by doctors. Drugs that don't have side effects? and that aren't manufactured to make someone else rich?

How did you so easily bump into the one stupid thing he said (if it's even stupid) by a simple quick google search.

Without pharmaceutical drugs, I’d have died four years ago. If I’d tried to heal myself just with food, I’d have died within months.

Oh and as if all those woo practitioners aren’t in it for the money either. Do you honestly think they have no interest in profiting from sick people? Why are they never criticised for taking huge sums of money of vulnerable dying people (who still end up dying)?

Game of Thrones Fan · 17-08-2019 9:20pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Without pharmaceutical drugs, I’d have died four years ago. If I’d tried to heal myself just with food, I’d have died within months.

Oh and as if all those woo practitioners aren’t in it for the money either. Do you honestly think they have no interest in profiting from sick people? Why are they never criticised for taking huge sums of money of vulnerable dying people (who still end up dying)?

So in your situation you should try both approaches. But people don't see the bigger picture. Most people don't realise that if they eat the right foods in the first place they won't end up in hospitals until they're in their 70s or later.

Raconteuse · 17-08-2019 9:30pm

Gwynplaine wrote: »

I rarely eat breakfast, but when I do, I'm starving by 11.30. When I dont have breakfast i can get to 1 no problem.

Yeah I always get extremely hungry before lunch if I don't leave breakfast until 10.30 or 11. And if I have porridge for breakfast I feel absolutely starving. I try to keep my breakfast mostly protein based.

wakka12 · 17-08-2019 11:59pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

So in your situation you should try both approaches. But people don't see the bigger picture. Most people don't realise that if they eat the right foods in the first place they won't end up in hospitals until they're in their 70s or later.

Yeh for most people they will manage to get to old age with a healthy diet and lifestyle all things going well but children still get sick, teenagers get sick, young healthy people can get sick ,with deadly diseases, their diet wasnt the cause and diet sure as hell isnt going to be the cure

Diet is important but its not everything. Your opinion of pharmaceutical drugs is also very cynical, hundreds of millions of lives have been saved by pharmaceutical drugs. They may have side effects, I dont think anyone denies that,but if it works Ill choose that over quinoa and spinach to help ease symptoms of my cancer diagnosis

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 18-08-2019 5:51am

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

So in your situation you should try both approaches. But people don't see the bigger picture. Most people don't realise that if they eat the right foods in the first place they won't end up in hospitals until they're in their 70s or later.

Yes, yes, it’s my fault I got sick. I currently know people with terminal cancer in their 20s, 30s and 40s who had no family history and who lived exemplary lifestyles. Truly exemplary. Nobody is immune.

Also - and I’m quite happy to take an infraction here - but fuck right off with the bolded bit. Had I done that, I’d be celebrating my four year anniversary in my coffin this year. I sincerely hope you aren’t advising anyone in real life with this toxic bullshit. If you are, what you are doing is deeply immoral. And, once again - make no mistake. Woo practitioners are money-grabbers of the highest order. Remember that the next time you bleat about pharma shills.

Welshprince · 18-08-2019 6:23am

I am 70 and have never eaten breakfast my entire life. I am in good health and around normal weight. Every individual should just do what they feel is best for them. Until I retired I also very rarely ate lunch, and just had an evening meal, not saying that's for everyone but I was full of energy and thrived. There is no definitive answer, we are all just somewhere on the scale and should just go with a "Gut" instinct!

Game of Thrones Fan · 18-08-2019 10:42am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yes, yes, it’s my fault I got sick. I currently know people with terminal cancer in their 20s, 30s and 40s who had no family history and who lived exemplary lifestyles. Truly exemplary. Nobody is immune.

Also - and I’m quite happy to take an infraction here - but fuck right off with the bolded bit. Had I done that, I’d be celebrating my four year anniversary in my coffin this year. I sincerely hope you aren’t advising anyone in real life with this toxic bullshit. If you are, what you are doing is deeply immoral. And, once again - make no mistake. Woo practitioners are money-grabbers of the highest order. Remember that the next time you bleat about pharma shills.

I wrote "both" in bold. You couldn't go wrong with trying 'both' approaches. You're acting as if I said to only try one approach and that you'll be fine. Probably got so worked up that you didn't notice that word in there!

Most people cannot eat healthy, and I'm sure that all adds up and plays a part in their cancer when and if they get it. I don't see how such people are "money grabbers" if all they do is inspire you to eat "food made by God". Explain it to me? I have never once read or watched anything online where the author said "buy my diet plan where I tell you to eat vegetables... oh wait I already told, can I please have the money anyway?"! There's not a lot to it. If everybody ate like I do, many businesses would die. The real money grabbers are the likes of Coke, Heineken and McDonalds.

There is currently an illusion of progress in medical research. The human genome project has been very disappointing. Take statins for example - the vast majority of people on statins won't benefit, and may get harmful side effects. There's also then the issue of poly-prescription where people are prescribed further medication to deal with the side effects of the initial medication. Things are worst in the U.S of course where 20% of GDP is wasted on healthcare. If they simply applied what we knew about medicine 20 years ago, evenly and fairly across the globe, things would be a lot better. But it's all about money. Doctors aren't going to tell people what I'm saying. I'm already enjoying the perks of my own advice with people telling me I look 22/23 when I'm actually 30.

wakka12 · 18-08-2019 12:05pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

I wrote "both" in bold. You couldn't go wrong with trying 'both' approaches. You're acting as if I said to only try one approach and that you'll be fine. Probably got so worked up that you didn't notice that word in there!

Most people cannot eat healthy, and I'm sure that all adds up and plays a part in their cancer when and if they get it. I don't see how such people are "money grabbers" if all they do is inspire you to eat "food made by God". Explain it to me? I have never once read or watched anything online where the author said "buy my diet plan where I tell you to eat vegetables... oh wait I already told, can I please have the money anyway?"! There's not a lot to it. If everybody ate like I do, many businesses would die. The real money grabbers are the likes of Coke, Heineken and McDonalds.

There is currently an illusion of progress in medical research. The human genome project has been very disappointing. Take statins for example - the vast majority of people on statins won't benefit, and may get harmful side effects. There's also then the issue of poly-prescription where people are prescribed further medication to deal with the side effects of the initial medication. Things are worst in the U.S of course where 20% of GDP is wasted on healthcare. If they simply applied what we knew about medicine 20 years ago, evenly and fairly across the globe, things would be a lot better. But it's all about money. Doctors aren't going to tell people what I'm saying. I'm already enjoying the perks of my own advice with people telling me I look 22/23 when I'm actually 30.

Those people get lots of money in advertisement and sponsors, not directly selling any products. Anyway what is 'healthy' food, dairy can be healthy for lots of people but unhealthy to those with lactose intolerance, whole grains show promising health benefits for the majority of the population yet somebody with coeliac disease will obviously not get health benefits from eating whole wheat. Healthy diet means a different thing to every single person on the planet. Its just all ridiculous the whole thing, and what monetary gain do irish doctors stand to gain by pushing medicine over 'healthy diet'.Going by your logic my GP should be recommending my grandad to cure his diabetes with healthy greens rather than giving him free insulin. Yet if they did that he would absolutely be dead. And where do you draw the line? Just at cancer? Or does diet cure for example diseases like HIV and AIDS too? What is the limit of power of 'food made by god'?

And the skin thing..look at lots of cancer patients, plenty look young for their age, you can have great skin and be dying inside. Skin is not a good way of measuring internal health or ageing, visible skin ageing is mostly because of sun exposure anyway.

Game of Thrones Fan · 18-08-2019 12:14pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Those people get lots of money in advertisement and sponsors, not directly selling any products. Anyway what is 'healthy' food, dairy can be healthy for lots of people but unhealthy to those with lactose intolerance, whole grains show promising health benefits for the majority of the population yet somebody with coeliac disease will obviously not get health benefits from eating whole wheat. Healthy diet means a different thing to every single person on the planet. Its just all ridiculous the whole thing, and what monetary gain do irish doctors stand to gain by pushing medicine over 'healthy diet'.Going by your logic my GP should be recommending my grandad to cure his diabetes with healthy greens rather than giving him free insulin. Yet if they did that he would absolutely be dead. And where do you draw the line? Just at cancer? Or does diet cure for example diseases like HIV and AIDS too? What is the limit of power of 'food made by god'?

And the skin thing..look at lots of cancer patients, plenty look young for their age, you can have great skin and be dying inside. Skin is not a good way of measuring internal health or ageing, visible skin ageing is mostly because of sun exposure anyway.

I was talking about healthy food for prevention, not treatment!

Aside from the odd allergy, fruit and veg and nuts are healthy for EVERYONE!

BrokenArrows · 18-08-2019 12:15pm

UCD GroupThink wrote: »

You know the way when were we younger we would have heard, that going without a breakfast is very dangerous, and that it can actually make you gain weight.

Is that just something that's said to make anorexic kids eat. I think I heard Dr Phil say it to a fat girl who was desperately trying to lose weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6KClPkotxM&t=447s

Thank you

As a child you need breakfast because you're constantly growing. As an adult it's optional.

Hammer89 · 18-08-2019 12:23pm

Are you on the All Bran John?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 18-08-2019 12:32pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

I wrote "both" in bold. You couldn't go wrong with trying 'both' approaches. You're acting as if I said to only try one approach and that you'll be fine. Probably got so worked up that you didn't notice that word in there!

Most people cannot eat healthy, and I'm sure that all adds up and plays a part in their cancer when and if they get it. I don't see how such people are "money grabbers" if all they do is inspire you to eat "food made by God". Explain it to me? I have never once read or watched anything online where the author said "buy my diet plan where I tell you to eat vegetables... oh wait I already told, can I please have the money anyway?"! There's not a lot to it. If everybody ate like I do, many businesses would die. The real money grabbers are the likes of Coke, Heineken and McDonalds.

There is currently an illusion of progress in medical research. The human genome project has been very disappointing. Take statins for example - the vast majority of people on statins won't benefit, and may get harmful side effects. There's also then the issue of poly-prescription where people are prescribed further medication to deal with the side effects of the initial medication. Things are worst in the U.S of course where 20% of GDP is wasted on healthcare. If they simply applied what we knew about medicine 20 years ago, evenly and fairly across the globe, things would be a lot better. But it's all about money. Doctors aren't going to tell people what I'm saying. I'm already enjoying the perks of my own advice with people telling me I look 22/23 when I'm actually 30.

Wow, really?

TimeToShine · 18-08-2019 1:54pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

I was talking about healthy food for prevention, not treatment!

Aside from the odd allergy, fruit and veg and nuts are healthy for EVERYONE!

I actually agree with you in theory but I think it's easy to say all of this when you're a young 20 something whippersnapper heavily influenced by the instafitness trend, you're probably in the gym 4 times a week with your blueberry porridge for breakfast and salmon avocado for dinner but remember that the age demographic here is highly varied and everyone has their own way of doing business.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 18-08-2019 2:03pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

I actually agree with you in theory but I think it's easy to say all of this when you're a young 20 something whippersnapper heavily influenced by the instafitness trend, you're probably in the gym 4 times a week with your blueberry porridge for breakfast and salmon avocado for dinner but remember that the age demographic here is highly varied and everyone has their own way of doing business.

And healthy eating is great but it simply reduces risk of various illnesses, it doesn’t act as a forcefield against them which some people genuinely seem to think. I twitched when I once heard one of the Happy Pair twins saying that eating some vegetable or other “will prevent cancer”. What a statement.

wakka12 · 18-08-2019 2:27pm

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

I was talking about healthy food for prevention, not treatment!

Aside from the odd allergy, fruit and veg and nuts are healthy for EVERYONE!

Fair enough, makes more sense. But still, people get sick regardless of their diet.Diet is like really very clearly not a full proof defence against all disease. Do you think this guys sudden cardiac related death in his prime of life had anything related to diet?Swimmer Alexander Dale Oen, fatal heart attack at 26 due to advanced atherosclerosis, it just ran in his family, Im sure he had the diet of an angel
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Wouldnt you say he looks healthy?Well he is literally close to death from an advanced illness in that picture
Dutch model Lotte van der zee, fatal heart attack at 19

Instagram model Felicite tomlinson, fatal heart attack at 18

Professional dancer Cameron Boyce, died of seizure at 19

Just some people I thought of off the top of my head,all very radiant healthy looking young people , sports people and models who relied on their looks and physique and probably had excellent diets to maintain that

Some diseases are just genetic or dumb luck, it would be nice and reassuring to think that all risk factors for all diseases were as easily modifiable as changing diet but unfortunately thats just not the way biology works. Sometimes ill health is just in your genes or cruel fate. Im sure you are aware some young people do die but it does seem as though you really genuinely seem to think that diet is what caused these peoples deaths or a better diet could have prevented their deaths? I think its naive and dangerous to think diet can be so powerful in preventing diseases

Game of Thrones Fan · 18-08-2019 3:39pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Fair enough, makes more sense. But still, people get sick regardless of their diet. Diet is like really very clearly not a full proof defence against all disease. Do you think this guys sudden cardiac related death in his prime of life had anything related to diet?Swimmer Alexander Dale Oen, fatal heart attack at 26 due to advanced atherosclerosis, it just ran in his family, Im sure he had the diet of an angel
Just some people I thought of off the top of my head,all very radiant healthy looking young people , sports people and models who relied on their looks and physique and probably had excellent diets to maintain that

Some diseases are just genetic or dumb luck, it would be nice and reassuring to think that all risk factors for all diseases were as easily modifiable as changing diet but unfortunately thats just not the way biology works. Sometimes ill health is just in your genes or cruel fate. Im sure you are aware some young people do die but it does seem as though you really genuinely seem to think that diet is what caused these peoples deaths or a better diet could have prevented their deaths? I think its naive and dangerous to think diet can be so powerful in preventing diseases

Yes people get sick irrespective of diet. I was saying such things with elderly people (who develop diseases) in mind, not young people. And yes, best not to say such things aloud due the sensitivity issue. I would be under the impression that young people falling ill like that would be outside the norm. Obviously I don't like to look upon things that way. What interests me is how so many people these days who have diabetes probably also think it's "dumb luck"! Why is that? The bottom line, is that the benefits of a good lifestyle are understated. And peer pressure trumps education every time! Peer pressure is the driving force behind sugar drinks and alcohol sales. Look at the value our society places on our careers in comparison to our diets. There is something off there. This will all be fun to watch over the next few decades!

The thing is, most people don't know what healthy lifestyle means anyway. Most people aren't going to worry about things mobile radiation, cold/heat shock therapy, etc. For example, most people would be unaware of what this article discusses:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

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