Healthcare assistant jailed for 11 years for rape of woman with Alzheimer's

Overheal · 01-08-2020 1:18am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not a big fan of the #ibelieveher movement so?

Isn’t it #believewomen, not #believeallwomen; certainly not #beliveherbrother or #believeanonymousaccounts.

When it’s a Supreme Court Justice, a lifetime appointment, and the accuser comes forward in public and isn’t just a Jane Doe that’s a lot different than use of an alleged sister as a prop to sidestep argument from a basis on objective and independently verifiable facts.

If I tell you my fiancé was raped as an adolescent it’s up to you if you want to believe me but it has no tangible bearing on the discussion here at all.

2u2me · 01-08-2020 1:41am

suicide_circus wrote: »

well either way, punishing the kids for their father's sins seems pretty medieval to me. Deport him by all means however.

We attribute blame to groups of people now, why not punish them as groups also? (White guilt).

Doesn't seem an easy answer, but if that was my father I'd be happy to be rid of him.

MFPM wrote: »

I disagree. Crimes committed by non-Irish nationals are continually used by by groups and individuals to propagate against migrants/asylum seekers etc.

This man committed an appalling act and he will now rightly pay a heavy price, his nationality and citizenship status are broadly irrelevant.

You chastize others for focusing on his nationality, while focusing on his gender. Why is that? You could have said "this person commited an appalling act, their nationality and citizenship are broadly irrelevant."

To be fair it's not just you; it's been done countless times in this thread. Am I the only one seeing hypocrisy or am I wrong here.

Overheal wrote: »

Anyone can be a rapist

Overheal · 01-08-2020 4:51am

2u2me wrote: »

We attribute blame to groups of people now, why not punish them as groups also? (White guilt).

Doesn't seem an easy answer, but if that was my father I'd be happy to be rid of him.

You chastize others for focusing on his nationality, while focusing on his gender. Why is that? You could have said "this person commited an appalling act, their nationality and citizenship are broadly irrelevant."

To be fair it's not just you; it's been done countless times in this thread. Am I the only one seeing hypocrisy or am I wrong here.

Misandry isn’t exactly an issue is it, no common person is going to read the news piece and go off and discriminate against all men are they. “Florida MAN why not Florida PERSON geez” :rolleyes: “ah! A man! All men are rapists and meth addicts! Why don’t you go back to Mars!” Eh, no, Having an insincere tangent about his gender being invoked is not a great deflection from the broader issue here. Whereas racial bias is a tangible issue, a handful of brown skinned people do crimes and you have quite a few people out there (and in these fora) who then adopt a phobia of the broader spectrum of brown skinned people with limited discern for nationality or circumstance.

Indeed the press is not obligated to disclose either nationality or gender, but I can more readily understand the editorial decision to leave skin color or nationality or religion out of the topic. These traits only ever seem important to people when it’s the negative news doesn’t it. The outlets might feel an air of responsibility for feeding xenophobia, and with it indirectly, trends to hate crimes.

I mean I’m not a journalist, right. But I feel like if I were I’d have consternation about one week writing a bunch of stories like “muslim Nigerian man rapes family” and then the next week having to write “hate crimes against Muslims and African nationals on the rise” (I mean unless I was a white supremacist journalist or something who knew the response I was trying to illicit)

2u2me · 01-08-2020 6:31am

Overheal wrote: »

Misandry isn’t exactly an issue is it, no common person is going to read the news piece and go off and discriminate against all men are they. “Florida MAN why not Florida PERSON geez” :rolleyes: “ah! A man! All men are rapists and meth addicts! Why don’t you go back to Mars!” Eh, no, Having an insincere tangent about his gender being invoked is not a great deflection from the broader issue here. Whereas racial bias is a tangible issue, a handful of brown skinned people do crimes and you have quite a few people out there (and in these fora) who then adopt a phobia of the broader spectrum of brown skinned people with limited discern for nationality or circumstance.

Indeed the press is not obligated to disclose either nationality or gender, but I can more readily understand the editorial decision to leave skin color or nationality or religion out of the topic. These traits only ever seem important to people when it’s the negative news doesn’t it. The outlets might feel an air of responsibility for feeding xenophobia, and with it indirectly, trends to hate crimes.

I mean I’m not a journalist, right. But I feel like if I were I’d have consternation about one week writing a bunch of stories like “muslim Nigerian man rapes family” and then the next week having to write “hate crimes against Muslims and African nationals on the rise” (I mean unless I was a white supremacist journalist or something who knew the response I was trying to illicit)

When we had a thread about a 'homophobic attack' on a London bus the thread OP was

klaaaz wrote: »

2 women were bloodily beaten up by a group of men in a violent homophobic attack. Why do some men get upset, angry and offended at gay people existing, they could have just minded their own business on what other's people's sexuality is but they rather intervene in strangers lives and beat them up for being gay.

Actually it turned out the gay women attacked the boys first.

Imagine that read "Why do Africans get upset, angry and offended at old people existing in nursing homes"
In that thread you were free to berate men, but not Muslims- which is just a reflection of the real world.

Here's another post.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

What? This has nothing to do with religious beliefs. The men wanted the women to put on a show for them. When they refused they beat them. So not just a homophobic attack, a misogynistic one too from men who think that women exist for their titillation, and who don't like to be told no

Imagine this read "This has nothing to do with the gender. The African wanted the woman for his sexual pleasure. An attack from an African who thinks women exist for his titillation." That got 141 thanks by the way.

It's a double standard. Racial bias is a tangible issue and misandry is not. Double standard.

"you have quite a few people out there (and in these fora) who then adopt a phobia of the broader spectrum of brown skinned people with limited discern for nationality or circumstance. "

You also have people out there in these very fora who adopt a phobia of the broader spectrum of police with limited discern for circumstance. Should we also ban statistics about crime?

Overheal · 01-08-2020 6:53am

"2u2me wrote: »

It's a double standard. Racial bias is a tangible issue and misandry is not. Double standard.

I disagree, because we see a spate of hate crimes based on race but not a spate of hate crimes against men etc. you know? If sexism of that nature became a growing problem I’d warm to the idea of it being double standards at that point.

Should we also ban statistics about crime?

Actually no and I’m glad you brought it up. I think statistics aren’t really the problem, I think the problem is how the media reports on it, how it’s taken up by people and how it potentially leads to hate crimes in these circumstances. I think the stats should be used properly and critically, ie. “Blacks commit more crimes” doesn’t paint an entire picture, where a broader and deeper study into police interaction statistics, deployment patterns, per capita and demographic considerations, and the nature of the crimes would be more constructive and should be discussed in proper settings, in the tabloids etc. it’s all for sensationalism and sales for example. It’s a lot like people consuming junk science, people will as readily believe they need to eat gluten free waffles or masks will kill them with carbon dioxide as they do believe they need to give dark skinned people a wide berth for their safety, as though those of a lighter complexion aren’t also a risk for inflicting criminal harm:

In my retail experience we even had shoplifters collude together in groups, trick our asset protection team into being distracted by implicit bias while the unseeming member of their group does the actual pilfering - eg. In a string of cases a white young woman, her white boyfriend and their black friend worked together to steal $100s in electronics, boyfriend distracts the associates like me while the friend distracted security and she was off elsewhere cutting into packages. Played us for fools really. But, there I go with unprovable anecdotes of limited value, so feel free to disregard.

2u2me · 01-08-2020 7:02am

Overheal wrote: »

I disagree, because we see a spate of hate crimes based on race but not a spate of hate crimes against men etc. you know? If sexism of that nature became a growing problem I’d warm to the idea of it being double standards at that point.

A hate crime against men is impossible by its very definition. You're far more likely to be attacked or murdered if you are a man.

MintyMagnum · 01-08-2020 7:05am

Go on Regina Doherty. Pity it wasn't the law.

Eric Cartman · 01-08-2020 7:06am

2u2me wrote: »

A hate crime against men is impossible by its very definition. You're far more likely to be attacked or murdered if you are a man.

How does that exclude them from it being a hate crime though

2u2me · 01-08-2020 7:36am

Overheal wrote: »

I don’t think it was me who told you that at least

Found this FWIW

I clicked on 'info' on a few of those crimes.

A woman was subjected to misogynous and sexist insults, photographed and threatened by police officers. The perpetrators also threatened her sexual partner and extorted money from him.

A woman was repeatedly subjected to anti-Muslim and sexist insults and threatened with murder and physical assault by a group via the internet.

A woman was subjected to misogynous and sexist insults and death threats, physically assaulted and robbed during sexual intercourse.

Two lesbian women were subjected to homophobic and misogynous insults and physically assaulted by a group during a festival. The victims sustained injuries.

I mean all the data and statistics shows that men are far more likely to be attacked, shot at, murdered etc. etc.. yet all the reports of hate crimes are of women.

They weren't attacked because they were men you might argue, but I'm sure many were called "d1ckhead" "Wanker" etc.. when they were being attacked. Were such language used in another attack against a 'protected minority' it would be evidence of homophobia or misogyny or whatever.

Overheal · 01-08-2020 7:44am

2u2me wrote: »

I clicked on 'info' on a few of those crimes.

I mean all the data and statistics shows that men are far more likely to be attacked, shot at, murdered etc. etc.. yet all the reports of hate crimes are of women.

They weren't attacked because they were men you might argue, but I'm sure many were called "d1ckhead" "Wanker" etc.. when they were being attacked. Were such language used in another attack against a 'protected minority' it would be evidence of homophobia or misogyny or whatever.

I mean I’m all ears to find evidence of a rash of hate crimes committed purely or primarily because the perps were men. I just don’t think it’s a significant problem and to be fair a distraction from the kernel of the discussion here. Not to shut the line of thought down but to focus back on the heinous nature of raping an Alzheimer’s patient.

01-08-2020 9:53am

2u2me wrote: »

A hate crime against men is impossible by its very definition. You're far more likely to be attacked or murdered if you are a man.

If its possible against a woman then its possible against a man. Doesn't matter who it's more likely against.

Boulevardier · 01-08-2020 10:57am

I couldn't help noticing that the man convicted in this case was named on RTE Morning Ireland, but later that day, Virgin Media withheld his name, as did the Irish Times the following day. Does anyone know why this was?

MFPM · 01-08-2020 11:51am

2u2me wrote: »

We attribute blame to groups of people now, why not punish them as groups also? (White guilt).

Doesn't seem an easy answer, but if that was my father I'd be happy to be rid of him.

You chastize others for focusing on his nationality, while focusing on his gender. Why is that? You could have said "this person commited an appalling act, their nationality and citizenship are broadly irrelevant."

To be fair it's not just you; it's been done countless times in this thread. Am I the only one seeing hypocrisy or am I wrong here.

Yes, you're wrong, there's no hypocrisy...I didn't focus on his gender I commented on the individual in question who is a man - there's no agenda, those focusing on his nationality are doing so for a very particular reason and to be honest I suspect you know that.

ExMachina1000 · 01-08-2020 12:07pm

Overheal wrote: »

I mean I’m all ears to find evidence of a rash of hate crimes committed purely or primarily because the perps were men. I just don’t think it’s a significant problem and to be fair a distraction from the kernel of the discussion here. Not to shut the line of thought down but to focus back on the heinous nature of raping an Alzheimer’s patient.

What should be done with this individual after a period of incarceration?

padd b1975 · 01-08-2020 1:06pm

Overheal wrote: »

She’s “rightly” having “her hole kicked” for saying the convicted rapist “took advantage” of the victim?

Am I missing something here?

Yes you are.

Do you think she would have used the phrase "took advantage" if it was an old black woman with a degenerative mental illness that was raped by a white man that was supposed to be caring for her?

01-08-2020 1:14pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

Yes you are.

Do you think she would have used the phrase "took advantage" if it was an old black woman with a degenerative mental illness that was raped by a white man that was supposed to be caring for her?

It's a phrase plenty of people would use to describe what happened. Your obsession with Dr Joseph is pretty strange tbh.

MFPM · 01-08-2020 2:23pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

Yes you are.

Do you think she would have used the phrase "took advantage" if it was an old black woman with a degenerative mental illness that was raped by a white man that was supposed to be caring for her?

Yes, I've no doubt she would have unless of course there was a racist motive.

MFPM · 01-08-2020 2:24pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

What should be done with this individual after a period of incarceration?

The same thing that happens with all sex offenders after they've served their sentence, he'll be placed on the sex offenders register and is likely to have to check in with the guards at intervals determined by the courts.

Gatling · 01-08-2020 3:03pm

MFPM wrote: »

he'll be placed on the sex offenders register

No .

There is no register here

Overheal · 01-08-2020 4:04pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

What should be done with this individual after a period of incarceration?

The same as any citizen who completes the criminal justice systems schedule of corrections.

Overheal · 01-08-2020 4:05pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

Yes you are.

Do you think she would have used the phrase "took advantage" if it was an old black woman with a degenerative mental illness that was raped by a white man that was supposed to be caring for her?

I’m not seeing the problem with the vernacular? Are you just upset she wasn’t more graphic, in a tweet?

ExMachina1000 · 01-08-2020 4:06pm

Overheal wrote: »

The same as any citizen who completes the criminal justice systems schedule of corrections.

I agree. There is nothing else that can be done. Once time is served he is a free man

MFPM · 01-08-2020 4:14pm

Gatling wrote: »

No .

There is no register here

Formally no, but in practice, there is a list.

Gatling · 01-08-2020 5:42pm

MFPM wrote: »

Formally no, but in practice, there is a list.

No there is not .

And the gardai have repeatedly stated that they do not have the resources to monitor sex offenders 24/7

Signore Fancy Pants · 01-08-2020 5:46pm

Gatling wrote: »

No there is not .

And the gardai have repeatedly stated that they do not have the resources to monitor sex offenders 24/7

Yep, they can't monitor individual personnel associated with subversive elements including dissident Republicans, criminal gangs and terror suspects.

Id say sex offenders are near the bottom of the list for surveillance.

Gatling · 01-08-2020 5:55pm

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Yep, they can't monitor individual personnel associated with subversive elements including dissident Republicans, criminal gangs and terror suspects.

Id say sex offenders are near the bottom of the list for surveillance.

I'm sure people not having a TV licence would be quick enough to be picked up first

MFPM · 01-08-2020 6:24pm

Gatling wrote: »

No there is not .

And the gardai have repeatedly stated that they do not have the resources to monitor sex offenders 24/7

That's as maybe but sex offenders are listed on Pulse and are supposed to be monitored, if the guards don't then it's a resource issue.

It's not the issue at hand anyway.

Gatling · 01-08-2020 6:58pm

MFPM wrote: »

It's not the issue at hand anyway.

Pulse isn't a sex offenders register .

This scumbags immediate deportation should be the issue

MFPM · 01-08-2020 7:45pm

Gatling wrote: »

Pulse isn't a sex offenders register .

This scumbags immediate deportation should be the issue

At last, I was wondering how long it would take you....:)

Pulse isn't a sex offenders register .

Never suggested it was...do try to keep up.

Gatling · 01-08-2020 7:48pm

MFPM wrote: »

At last, I was wondering how long it would take you

Give him a hug instead yeah !

MFPM · 01-08-2020 7:51pm

Gatling wrote: »

Give him a hug instead yeah !

Yeah, that's what I said, cop on with the juvenile behaviour.

Gatling · 01-08-2020 8:24pm

MFPM wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I said, cop on with the juvenile behaviour.

So deportation then .

hamburgham · 01-08-2020 8:40pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Major claim incoming against the Nursing Home now. And rightly so. For once in my life I can agree with a claim for damages, well that's if the family take a case.

Sorry, don’t agree. What happened was horrific and hopefully perpetuater serves a long sentence. However, claims culture is also sick.It’s pure greed, nothing else. There is no amount of money which can undo what was done to that woman.

Donald Trump · 01-08-2020 8:49pm

hamburgham wrote: »

Sorry, don’t agree. What happened was horrific and hopefully perpetuater serves a long sentence. However, claims culture is also sick.It’s pure greed, nothing else. There is no amount of money which can undo what was done to that woman.This is just the relations cashing in and quite frankly turning it into a money making opportunity.

A claim is the only way that the business can be punished if they were negligent.

Without the ability to claim against businesses, or the willingness to make claims, then there is no incentive for them to do their due diligence.

There is a world of a difference between someone getting a scrape on their bumper and trying to claim 100k for trauma and a family taking a case against a nursing home into whose responsibility they placed the care of a vulnerable loved one. It is not necessarily about the money - it can be about getting a finding that they made mistakes etc. (if they did)

01-08-2020 9:41pm

hamburgham wrote: »

Sorry, don’t agree. What happened was horrific and hopefully perpetuater serves a long sentence. However, claims culture is also sick.It’s pure greed, nothing else. There is no amount of money which can undo what was done to that woman.This is just the relations cashing in and quite frankly turning it into a money making opportunity.

That is one of the most ridiculous, and frankly, bizarre takes on this situation.

I don't know, and don't want to know, how your mind works.

hamburgham · 01-08-2020 10:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That is one of the most ridiculous, and frankly, bizarre takes on this situation.

I don't know, and don't want to know, how your mind works.

Sorry???You find it bizarre that I don’t have money signs before my eyes? Says more about you.

Again, no amount of money will undo what was done to that woman.Those responsible should be sacked if they didn’t carry out vetting but as already been said, any vetting is probably fairly limited. I do not believe sueing as a first resort rather than as a last resort is the way to establish this.

Also remember they are often desperate for staff and often only people desperate for money will do the work. There is literally no money you could give me to work in a nursing home.So to turn around and decide you want to make the nursing home “ pay” for what happened says more to me about greed than anything else.

padd b1975 · 01-08-2020 11:22pm

Overheal wrote: »

I’m not seeing the problem with the vernacular? Are you just upset she wasn’t more graphic, in a tweet?

No not graphic, but she really didn't pull up any trees in her condemnation.

Overheal · 01-08-2020 11:24pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

No not graphic, but she really didn't pull up any trees in her condemnation.

Seems like faux outrage to me. So she didn’t use more thunderous and dramatic language. Oh well. I haven’t either. I just said it’s heinous. Not trying to impress anyone calling for his castration etc.

Mr. Karate · 01-08-2020 11:39pm

Danzy wrote: »

Given the severity of his crime, why isn't he on a plane out of here, back home.

Because thanks to the EU we can't deport them.

02-08-2020 1:55am

hamburgham wrote: »

Sorry???You find it bizarre that I don’t have money signs before my eyes? Says more about you.

Again, no amount of money will undo what was done to that woman.Those responsible should be sacked if they didn’t carry out vetting but as already been said, any vetting is probably fairly limited. I do not believe sueing as a first resort rather than as a last resort is the way to establish this.

Also remember they are often desperate for staff and often only people desperate for money will do the work. There is literally no money you could give me to work in a nursing home.So to turn around and decide you want to make the nursing home “ pay” for what happened says more to me about greed than anything else.

No I find it bizarre that you would think that the relatives of the person abused should not be compensated in some way, even if only for the years of counselling they will need to go through.

I'm sure if given the opportunity, they would gladly forego any money to have this horrific ordeal to have never happen, but I certainly feel that they should be no way out of pocket for any treatment or help they need as a result of this.

But your tone and demeanor suggests they are in it for a cash grab. I dispute that and doubt it very much.

Even the "money signs before my eyes" comment is a little distasteful in my opinion but sure, according to you I'm one of those "quick to sue" perpetual victims I suppose, so I'm probably looking to be offended.

Overheal · 02-08-2020 2:00am

Compo culture is a touchy subject. Either way I don't see the issue with using the justice system to determine whether the nursing facility was negligent in its duties, which would likely arise if they knew about/failed to prevent the assaults. The fact it happened isn't prima facie evidence that they were criminally negligent.

JustAThought · 02-08-2020 3:20am

While the love rapist lobbyists pontificate about money on this forum I am still waiting to see what nursing hime ge was working in and why no media outlet has seen fit to report this bit of key information.

Overheal · 02-08-2020 3:55am

JustAThought wrote: »

While the love rapist lobbyists pontificate about money on this forum I am still waiting to see what nursing hime ge was working in and why no media outlet has seen fit to report this bit of key information.

Post which one and the facility would be picketed against, harassed, or worse. I think a situation like the Red Hen incident in the US would be understating possible outcomes to that. Despite no clear evidence that they did any wrongdoing.

If you're concerned about a loved one just go ahead and take precautions now, be aware of Ireland wiretapping laws but consider setting up some safeguards, some were mentioned earlier in the thread like getting your loved one a private room and install a hidden camera (pending legalities). You could also pointedly ask your facility if it was the one affected, they might tell you no, they might tell you they can't comment. The perp lived in Kilcock, Co. Kildare, so he indeed could have worked at any number of facilities in commuting range.

02-08-2020 9:09am

JustAThought wrote: »

While the love rapist lobbyists pontificate about money on this forum I am still waiting to see what nursing hime ge was working in and why no media outlet has seen fit to report this bit of key information.

I imagine in part for the sake of all the families affected. They're entitled to privacy and naming it might jeopardise further investigations into other potential victims.

Donald Trump · 02-08-2020 10:04am

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Because thanks to the EU we can't deport them.

It has nothing to do with the EU. That's the kind of waffle Brexiteers believe

The_Kew_Tour · 02-08-2020 10:41am

I just hope it was the only time he did it.

15 years in the industry is long time. He was planning this for some time. I really hope nobody else suffered.

My heart goes out to the family and the victim. I dont think I forget about it too easily. Heartbreaking story

Annasopra · 02-08-2020 11:07am

paw patrol wrote: »

I see your point but I don't agree. Yes of course the main fact should be the rape and given the circumstances it was a horrible betrayal of trust - not one person doesn't understand that.

But there is the foreign element, he has come here to benefit from our society build by us and our families. And has repaid the Irish nation like this. That's an extra kick in the stones.

I'd deported all foreign rapists, I can't deport the Irish ones for obvious reasons but don't think I hold them in any better regard.

Nah - a lot of people here are twisting this into a sick racist agenda and couldnt give a **** about the woman who was raped. All they care about is "the rapist was foreign".

DelaneyIn · 02-08-2020 12:40pm

The papers are reporting that he came to Ireland illegally, got leave to remain when he had a kid here and that it’s unlikely that he will be deported upon completion of his sentence.

https://twitter.com/DonCarlo66/status/1289841958723022848/photo/1

I wonder what background checks were conducted?

Gatling · 02-08-2020 12:49pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

The papers are reporting that he came to Ireland illegally, got leave to remain when he had a kid here and that it’s unlikely that he will be deported upon completion of his sentence.

https://twitter.com/DonCarlo66/status/1289841958723022848/photo/1

I wonder what background checks were conducted?

Suprise ,suprise .

What background checks none likely

1800_Ladladlad · 02-08-2020 12:55pm

So he came here illegally from Nigeria in 2000. Puts in an application for asylum status, but then he dropped the asylum case when his baby was born. Well well well, why am I not surprised, an Anker baby would give it automatic citizenship within the space of two years of him breaking the law and entering the country illegally.

What really boiled my p*ss was Justice McDermot taking into account that the rapist had otherwise lived a blameless and hardworking life. . . . . forgetting the fact that he was a criminal the moment he stepped foot in our country illegally. God only knows what he has done. TBH the thought of it turns my stomach. Abuse and heinous attacks on the elderly is something that affects me to me, if I was to explain what happened to my nanny and grandad, it would be too much of a coincidence for some to comprehend.

It's "unlikely" he'll be deported when he finishes his sentence, and with it being Ireland, the land of "Cead Mile Failte" His family will be looked after so will he when gets out. When his sentence is finished, his citizenship should be revoked and he should be deported to his own country. Him breaking the law and entering the country illegally in the first place, should be more than enough to deport a degenerate who broke the law twice. Both being serious crimes. Its bad enough we have our own filth that do these vile crimes but to import and entertain them??

Healthcare assistant jailed for 11 years for rape of woman with Alzheimer's

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