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Again, (again, again) it begins... (SU Elections)

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Well, it's a week until nominations open according to the latest SU e-mail (which included the following line, by Quinn... Well, I laughed.) But anyway, on the point of this thread. Quite simply, who is running? Who is thinking of running? TN & the Record are out this week and will probably have speculation over who will…

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Well, it's a week until nominations open according to the latest SU e-mail (which included the following line, by Quinn...

This is a campaign that you can get involved in. All you have to do is e-mail the college secretary – secretary@tcd.ie, with ‘I want the Irish Flag flown above Trinity’. It’s as simple as that and I’ll have a huge effect!

Well, I laughed.)

But anyway, on the point of this thread. Quite simply, who is running? Who is thinking of running? TN & the Record are out this week and will probably have speculation over who will be running, but what do people here think?

Nominations open on Monday 29th January and close on Wednesday 7th February.

/cue several new accounts from hacks.

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#2 22-01-2007 1:01pm

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Conal Campbell (former head of the PDs and current Record hack) will be running for Dep. Pres.

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If anyone's thinking of running I'd strongly recommend that you do. Having run myself I can say that it's a great experience and very rewarding (even if you lose - trust me!). I have great memories from my campaign that will stay with me forever no matter how disappointing it was in the end.

Andrew

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#4 22-01-2007 5:36pm

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To be intentionally vague - presidente has one union hack, an outgoing labor youth head, and what looks like an ex-green pres going for it.

Dep Pres has 3 current University Record staff planning on running for the position, as well as a histie in the mix there too.

Education has one SU hack and a histie hack going for it, with possibly one other long time member of college (not sure where that stands though)

welfare has one SU hack, one faculty convenor, one school convenor, one PSN chair, and possibly one or two more.

Ents has the organiser of the messiest night on earth (twisted tuesday), one T:FMer, and one philboy running for it, at last count.

on that note, 4/5 positions have a gmb candidate running for them - conspiracy no?

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Oh, and in case the name intrigues people, here's "Again it begins" and "Again it begins 2006".

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Sean Conway (fine gael, ex-hist, have to physically restrain myself from ripping his shirt off whenever I see him) will also be running for Dep. Pres.

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#7 22-01-2007 9:11pm

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I think we should name names; seriously, it's good to have an idea of who's running for what, rather than just hinting. It doesn't do any harm and means we can have a proper debate about the merits/demerits of potential candidates.

I'll put down everyone that I've heard is thinking about running (except for two people who have said that they don't want their name mentioned at the moment. Oh and I don't know anyone going for Ents so someone else can fill that in).

President: Andy Byrne (ex-Chair of Greens), Wayne Tobin (TSM Convenor). The rumours about Graham O'Maonaigh (ex-Chair Labour Youth) going for it are apparently just a joke.

Deputy President: Conall Campbell, Neasa McGarrigle (Arts & Humanities Convenor), whoever the current News Editor is (sorry, can't remember their name) and possibly Johnny Drennan (Deputy Editor of TN last year)

Education: Neil McGough (aka crash_000; SU), Bartley Rock (Hist) and possibly Ross Wynne (Officer for Students with Disabilities)

Welfare: Dee McClean (ex-Arts Letters Convenor), Ray Healy (LGBT), Karen Lawlor (Welfare Committee I think) and possibly last year's Deputy News Editor for Trinity News (who's also a VdePer)

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stargal wrote:

Education: possibly a long-term boardsie

Shock horror.

Welfare: Dee McClean (ex-Arts Letters Convenor)

Heh, that's news to me.

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stargal wrote:

President: Andy Byrne (ex-Chair of Greens), Wayne Tobin (TSM Convenor). The rumours about Graham O'Maonaigh (ex-Chair Labour Youth) going for it are apparently just a joke.

The Retard reports Stephen Mallon (M.A. Hilarity) will run as well. Rumours that Rob Kearns (B.A. Goatee Studies)

Deputy President: Conall Campbell, Neasa McGarrigle (Arts & Humanities Convenor), whoever the current News Editor is (sorry, can't remember their name) and possibly Johnny Drennan (Deputy Editor of TN last year)

Seán Conway is running. Claire Waters(/Walters?) is the name of the News Editor iirc.

Education: Bartley Rock (Hist), possibly a long-term boardsie and possibly Ross Wynne (Officer for Students with Disabilities)

<snip> also rumoured. (Edit: d'oh).

Welfare: Dee McClean (ex-Arts Letters Convenor), Ray Healy (LGBT), Karen Lawlor (Welfare Committee I think) and possibly last year's Deputy News Editor for Trinity News (who's also a VdePer)

You can add my name to this list as a possible candidate.

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Could someone post (or PM me) the full text of the call-to-email-the-college-secretary about the flag?

(FWIW I disagree with the Union policy on flags, am just curious...)

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Ibid wrote:

Seán Conway is running. Claire Waters(/Walters?) is the name of the News Editor iirc.

Claire Waters is a former news ed. Current is Claire Tighe.

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Could someone post (or PM me) the full text of the call-to-email-the-college-secretary about the flag?

(FWIW I disagree with the Union policy on flags, am just curious...)

Hi guys,

Here are the announcements for the week:

Irish Flag

For the past few years, the Students’ Union has been pushing for the Irish Flag to be flown above Trinity on a regular basis. Although this is not the most pressing issue out there, it is one that is constantly raised to me by students and one that could be easily resolved. As such, we’ll be running a campaign over the next few weeks to get some movement on this issue.

This is a campaign that you can get involved in. All you have to do is e-mail the college secretary – secretary@tcd.ie, with ‘I want the Irish Flag flown above Trinity’. It’s as simple as that and I’ll have a huge effect!

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Claire Waters is a former news ed. Current is Claire Tighe.

Ugh, I'm an old-timer already.

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#14 22-01-2007 9:32pm

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stargal wrote:

President: Andy Byrne (ex-Chair of Greens)

Ugh. He makes me want to vomit.

ibid wrote:

You can add my name to this list as a possible candidate.

You're far to right-wing and uncaring. Have you considered Education Officer?

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Ibid wrote:

Ugh, I'm an old-timer already.

Better sort that out if you wanna be elected

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b.ie curious wrote:

You're far too right-wing and uncaring. Have you considered Education Officer?

Oi! Watch your mouth

There was a time when centre-left Labour hacks (ahem) had a fairly firm lock on Education. That was in more left-wing times where the moderate, reform-the-system-don't-smash-it type made a beeline for education, while the hotheads went for the more glamorous Presidential election. In fact of the last ten or so years of Education Officers, more than half were vague social democrats of some sort...

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b.ie curious wrote:

You're far to right-wing and uncaring. Have you considered Education Officer?

EduCat wrote:

In fact of the last ten or so years of Education Officers, more than half were vague social democrats of some sort...

Hmm...

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Better sort that out if you wanna be elected

I'm blatantly taking the piss

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Ibid wrote:

I'm blatantly taking the piss

On being a candidate, on being an old-timer, or a bithaboat?

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The Retard

Is it out?

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On being a candidate, on being an old-timer, or a bithaboat?

On being a candidate. I struggle to think of less attractive things than spending a year with Dick Treacy and Conal Campbell (oh wait he won't get elected).

I am feeling a bit old and broodish at the moment though, so I think the best cure is to catch the next train and go to bed.

Hmm.

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stargal wrote:

Welfare: Dee McClean (ex-Arts Letters Convenor), Ray Healy (LGBT), Karen Lawlor (Welfare Committee I think) and possibly last year's Deputy News Editor for Trinity News (who's also a VdePer)

That's very flattering Christine but I think if I was running that's not the office I'd be after

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#23 23-01-2007 12:49am

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Tbh I was pretty surprised at that myself! I'll have to kill my source*. That's the price they pay for giving me mis-dis-un-information.

*Who by the way was one of the other candidates

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Not sure who it is, but on a purely unrelated note no-one has mentioned Ms. Úna Faulkner's name yet.

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#25 23-01-2007 1:13am

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Myth wrote:

Not sure who it is, but on a purely unrelated note no-one has mentioned Ms. Úna Faulkner's name yet.

That's who I was very subtly referring to earlier on

She'd said that she was keeping it on the D-L the last time I spoke to her but I guess that's changed!

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#26 23-01-2007 1:14am

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Aye I understand that names should be named stargal, I just don't think that its my place to name them, if you get what I mean.

stargal wrote:

possibly a long-term boardsie

Hrmm - which one?

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#27 23-01-2007 1:20am

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Hrmm - which one?

Me.

Nah, it's you

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What do people think is the most influential post? Which one would you be able to make the most of an impact in?

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Influential, I dunno, but for impact, it's gotta be Education. Unless you're Robert Kearns, in which case you're not very much use at all. Sorry Rob, you had a lot to live up to, I'll give you that, but you need to try a little harder.

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b.ie curious wrote:

What do people think is the most influential post? Which one would you be able to make the most of an impact in?

I guess it depends on what you want to influence

e.g.

if you want to influence the future running of the college, the approach towards methods of education, etc then it's probably Education

if you want to influence a number of individuals towards coping better with 'life' and such things then Welfare is a more direct way to do that than other jobs (which have similar but less 'effective' roles towards that goal)

if you want to influence how the Union works, how it is perceived (by students, by college and by outsiders) then being President makes sense as you have the strongest powers on the things that matter there (the various pulpits, the ability to lead etc)

if you want to influence through the power of mass communications then obviously DP is the most influential of the 5 SU roles (accepting of course that there are other ways to influence the messages consumed by the student 'public') as they have more direct access to the audience than the others.

etc etc. so a lot of it comes back to what a candidate's personal and political approach is - i.e. if you see the Union as being in administrative and financial chaos leading to apathy (and want to run because, at least in major part, you want to fix that) then running for Welfare Officer won't be the easiest way to opening the doors to do something about that (not saying that it's impossible, just that it's more difficult).

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I think its all about what you view as the most important issue - Educations always been my one probably because it was one of the first areas I ever got involved in in the SU, whereas other people would have maybe dealt with the welfare officer when they started and see that job as the most important in their eyes, or gotten involved with some ents stuff in different societies and thought that was the best.

if you're too lazy to read the above paragraph, just take what daithi posted, concise it down to a paragraph, and put my name beside it

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I'll add Neil McGough to my list for Education anois.

Pet wrote:

Influential, I dunno, but for impact, it's gotta be Education. Unless you're Robert Kearns, in which case you're not very much use at all. Sorry Rob, you had a lot to live up to, I'll give you that, but you need to try a little harder

V unexpected lol :eek:

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Ah, the SU. The greatest cure for insomnia ever devised by man. I'll now have a good read of this thread then head off to bed....

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Pet can you in anyway substantiate your comments. I think it's a little harsh dismissing the entire efforts of someone as unsatisfactory, especially on a public forum without having some kind of "evidence".
I would consider Daithaí and Donál more active then Robert because they were more active on this forum during their tenure. In terms of actual work more directly related to their educational role, I couldn't really comment, I never really paid attention.
Having said that, you may have loads of reasons for why you think Robert's performance is < then xeducat/Myth other then personality please share them. Or keep them to yourself.

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Myth wrote:

Oh, and in case the name intrigues people, here's "Again it begins" and "Again it begins 2006".

Just wasted ten minutes of my life reading over those old threads. Wow. They were a lot more boring than I ever remembered them being.

b.ie curious wrote:

Originally Posted by stargal
President: Andy Byrne (ex-Chair of Greens)

Ugh. He makes me want to vomit.

Really? He's a good guy; always struck me as being exceptionally likable and hard-working. Good solid name too

Ibid wrote:

I struggle to think of less attractive things than spending a year with Dick Treacy

Oh yeah, I forgot him (assuming it is John Treacy you're referring to there?).

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stargal wrote:

Just wasted ten minutes of my life reading over those old threads. Wow. They were a lot more boring than I ever remembered them being.

Yeah, though I did smile remembering the amount of discussion over Lorna Jennings's e-mail.

King.Penguin wrote:

I would consider Daithaí and Donál more active then Robert because they were more active on this forum during their tenure.

Yep, I thought the same when I read your post Pet.

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Oh yeah, I forgot him (assuming it is John Treacy you're referring to there?).

Yeah, but calling him a Dick is a good habit to get into.

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I wouldn't waeste my breath he'd probably take it as a compliment that people were talking about him.

I think Andy would make a good president although I'd be envious of his office.

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stargal wrote:

Really? He's a good guy; always struck me as being exceptionally likable and hard-working. Good solid name too

Voted against the PDs being recognised. I realise your fella (Dave Morris) did too, but I sitting beside him at the time and we were having a bit of a laugh so it didn't seem so harsh. Andy just seemed really petty. I mean, its not like he was losing anything by us being recognised. Whether you like the PDs or not, Colm Fahey had worked his ass off to set up the Trinity PDs and he got two of the most influential and well known Irish politicians to come to Trinity, both of which were huge crowd-pullers. One of those events ended up being frontpage news in the Sindo. We were only recognised by a handful of votes. From then on I could never be bothered with him.

As for Rob, I do recall he had a bit in the Record calling for extended library opening hours. If he manages to pull that off, I'd say fair play to him.

And judging by people's responses to my question, education or welfare is where its at.

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TN is out... for anyone abroard, the news article is here with 'The Agent' spiel here.

And the glory holes made it onto the front page of TN.

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I'm really happy they put the article about the BAS course on the front page. Especially since it is right next to the article about the Provost wanting a pay rise.

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I see TN has included you on the list of possible candidates for Welfare Comhra. Are they just using the same unreliable source as I was or is there something you want to tell us?

b.ie curious wrote:

Voted against the PDs being recognised. I realise your fella (Dave Morris) did too, but I sitting beside him at the time and we were having a bit of a laugh so it didn't seem so harsh. Andy just seemed really petty. I mean, its not like he was losing anything by us being recognised.... From then on I could never be bothered with him.

Lol! David is a hottie... just don't tell Drew!

I see where you're coming from but it's a bit difficult to single Andrew (Byrne) out for that when so many people didn't vote for the PDs at that meeting. It could have been ideological (he was representing the Greens after all) or he may have had actual difficulties with the society (a lot of the CSC did - this was about the 4th time in the past ten years that someone's tried to set it up a society and every single time it petered out after a couple of years).

Meh. We don't even know if he's running yet.

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Figure he is, just from a couple of things. *taps nose*.

also, andy should've stuck with being called Andrew - thats how I used differentiate between Andrew Byrne, green chair and friend, and Andy Byrne, life sucking gel covered monster.

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stargal wrote:

I see where you're coming from but it's a bit difficult to single Andrew (Byrne) out for that when so many people didn't vote for the PDs at that meeting. It could have been ideological (he was representing the Greens after all) or he may have had actual difficulties with the society (a lot of the CSC did - this was about the 4th time in the past ten years that someone's tried to set it up a society and every single time it petered out after a couple of years).

Nah. I was there that day, Byrne was a bit out of order. It's one thing not voting for the PDs, grand. It's another to vote against them, i.e. objecting to them, simply on political grounds. I'm no fan of the PDs or their policies, but I don't object to them existing and having their own little party (no pun intended) and share of the funds.

TBH it's pretty undemocratic to be any other way. They're a legitimate political party (said with a Northern accent) and thus deserve their little spot for Trinity students interested in them. In fact I'm quite disgruntled at the thought of Andrew Byrne objecting, that just wasn't on. Kinda suggests something about his ability to be SU president, doesn't it?

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#45 23-01-2007 6:27pm

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Pet can you in anyway substantiate your comments. I think it's a little harsh dismissing the entire efforts of someone as unsatisfactory, especially on a public forum without having some kind of "evidence".

Ohh..yeah on rereading I guess it seems a little jerky, when it was actually just a joke. I have no beef with Robert, for the record. I know very little of his failings or achievements, whatever they may be.

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#46 23-01-2007 6:41pm

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Stargal I have absolutley no idea where these vicious rumours about my running for Welfare are coming from. I wasn't even contacted by the paper in question. But no I am not running for Welfare.

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stargal wrote:

Lol! David is a hottie... just don't tell Drew!

Who is Drew?

I see where you're coming from but it's a bit difficult to single Andrew (Byrne) out for that when so many people didn't vote for the PDs at that meeting.

Its really not hard at all to single him out. Himself and Dave voted against us (perhaps I should vomit over Dave as well, but at least we were having a bit of a laugh at the time and we co-operated in order to help someone get on the CSC exec), as did some other chap who was voting against everything. Our real problem was that not a lot of people actually voted for us. Most of the treasurers there couldn't have given a damn. But actually voting against us was cruel and petty.

And the argument that the society had petered out in the past could very easily be argued against based on the two large events we pulled off. We held many more events besides, but I mention these two in particular as they were mentioned in the press and because of the large turnouts.

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#48 23-01-2007 11:16pm

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*cries*

AH I already have a headache. I wish he elctions were over dmanit. If one more person tries to get 'insider' information out of me I swear I'll box someone. I mean it was taking my very best behaviour not to spill veerything I knew, and then TN had more than I even knew.

Also in a slightly election related thing. Wayne's letter vs the Exec's letter in TN. A potnetial President would wan tot show more solidartity for the people he works with every day in order to make the union effcient and effective. The bloody letter was written for him in the first place.

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I'd envy his position though.

subtle.:p

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I mean it was taking my very best behaviour not to spill veerything I knew, and then TN had more than I even knew.

Wow, the life of a hack certainly is fraught with heartache and disappointment.

My sincerest sympathies, to you and your comrades.

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is anyone here running a candidates campaign?

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#51 24-01-2007 4:01am

Stargal

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Pet wrote:

Ohh..yeah on rereading I guess it seems a little jerky, when it was actually just a joke. I have no beef with Robert, for the record. I know very little of his failings or achievements, whatever they may be.

Are you backtracking or was it really a joke? Cos I was genuinely interested to know what you meant. And it didn't sound like a joke.

Pet wrote:

Wow, the life of a hack certainly is fraught with heartache and disappointment.

My sincerest sympathies, to you and your comrades.

Roffle

b.ie curious wrote:

Who is Drew?

Sorry, that's andrew_83

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