I bet you didn't know that this thread would have a part 2

BaZmO* · 22-01-2020 3:03pm

Posh is another one.

P.O.S.H. (for posh). Port Out, Starboard Home; port supposedly being the side of the ship (and starboard on the return journey) having the best cabins when sailing between the UK and India.

"The story goes that the more well-to-do passengers travelling to and from India used to have POSH written against their bookings, standing for 'Port Out, Starboard Home' (indicating the more desirable cabins, on the shady side of the ship). Unfortunately, this story did not make its appearance until the 1930s, when the term had been in use for some twenty years, and the word does not appear to have been recorded in the form 'P.O.S.H.', which would be expected if it had originated as an abbreviation. Despite exhaustive enquiries by the late Mr George Chowdharay-Best, researcher for the OED, including interviews with former travellers and inspection of shipping company documents, no supporting evidence has been found."

LaFuton · 22-01-2020 3:08pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

IIRC real rennet cleaves casein at tryptophan 104

Every see a vegetarian with leather shoes ?

doesn't cheese (casein) convert to a mild form of heroin in the body? Read that somewhere

any fact bunnys got info on this?

joeguevara · 22-01-2020 3:10pm

LaFuton wrote: »

doesn't cheese (casein) convert to a mild form of heroin in the body? Read that somewhere

any fact bunnys got info on this?

Cheese contains casein. It also contains casein fragments called casomorphins, a casein-derived morphine-like compound. Basically, dairy protein has opiate molecules built in. When consumed, these fragments attach to the same brain receptors that heroin and other narcotics attach to. Basically if milk is coke, cheese is crack. Reason for it, according to research, is to ensure that infants take to milk to develop.

LostinBlanch · 23-01-2020 9:01pm

lapua20grain wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1219220577610870787?s=20

As you know, the Kiwi is a flightless bird. It’s also the symbol of the Royal New Zealand Airforce. That’s right they have a flightless bird as their symbol. Look at the image in the header of their homepage. :rolleyes:

ILoveYourVibes · 23-01-2020 9:05pm

Poverty and homelessness cause climate change. If we solved them it would be a climate game changer.

KevRossi · 25-01-2020 5:15pm

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1221068797383204864

There's more on this here: https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00114-017-1440-1

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-01-2020 1:50pm

75 years ago today, the Auschwitz concentration camp was liberated by Soviet forces and this day became the Holocaust Memorial Day.

At least 1.3m were sent to Auschwitz and at least 1.1m died. When liberated, the Soviet soldiers found 7,500 prisoners remaining alive and 600 corpses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

https://twitter.com/HMD_UK/status/1221689293808308224?s=20

sbsquarepants · 27-01-2020 2:29pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

At least 1.3m were sent to Auschwitz and at least 1.1m died. When liberated, the Soviet soldiers found 7,500 prisoners remaining alive and 600 corpses.

7,500 left from 1.3m:eek:

Caught a bit of Joe Rogan over the weekend talking about the gas used "Zyklon B" Apparently when Hitler came to power he embarked on a giant cleaning program, getting rid of vermin and generally just sprucing up the place. To fumigate the factories they used Zyklon A - it was deadly poisonous and because of this it had a terrible smell added, to alert people to it's presence. Come the final solution, Zyklon B was ordered to be manufactured, an odourless version of A.

Chilling stuff!

ohnonotgmail · 27-01-2020 2:50pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

7,500 left from 1.3m:eek:

Caught a bit of Joe Rogan over the weekend talking about the gas used "Zyklon B" Apparently when Hitler came to power he embarked on a giant cleaning program, getting rid of vermin and generally just sprucing up the place. To fumigate the factories they used Zyklon A - it was deadly poisonous and because of this it had a terrible smell added, to alert people to it's presence. Come the final solution, Zyklon B was ordered to be manufactured, an odourless version of A.

Chilling stuff!

There was 60 odd thousand who were force marched west before the russians arrived. the ones left in the camp were those too sick to march.

ohnonotgmail · 27-01-2020 5:08pm

If you die without a will in ireland or the UK and there are no relatives to claim your estate it all passes to the government. Except if you live in Lancashire or Cornwall. In which cases the money goes directly to the Queen and Prince Charles respectively.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-01-2020 10:08pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

7,500 left from 1.3m:eek:

A lot of prisoners were moved as the Russians got closer, 15,000 were later liberated from Bergen-Belsen, only the very sick were left.

Concentration camps were bad.

Extermination camps were far worse.
Most survivors were sonderkommando because everyone else was killed on arrival.

About 70 people survived Treblinka but only because of a mass break out by the Sonderkommando when they realised the numbers coming were dropping and they'd be next. I don't know how many of the other 800,000+ survived.

Bełżec maybe 50 people escaped out of the camp out of 500,000.
Doesn't mean they survived long.

Sobibor 58 out of 250,000

Chełmno 7 out of 200,000

And there were a lot of suicides because of survivor guilt.

StupidLikeAFox · 28-01-2020 3:13am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

7,500 left from 1.3m:eek:

Caught a bit of Joe Rogan over the weekend talking about the gas used "Zyklon B" Apparently when Hitler came to power he embarked on a giant cleaning program, getting rid of vermin and generally just sprucing up the place. To fumigate the factories they used Zyklon A - it was deadly poisonous and because of this it had a terrible smell added, to alert people to it's presence. Come the final solution, Zyklon B was ordered to be manufactured, an odourless version of A.

Chilling stuff!

Not sure if Joe Rogan covered it but when they built the Jewish memorial in Berlin they knew it would attract a lot of graffiti so they needed some anti graffiti paint/sealer. Turns out that the company that won the contract to supply the paint was the same company that manufactured the Zyklon B for the Nazis.

Its worth noting that if you had a company supplying anything in Nazi Germany and the Nazis knocked on your door to work with them, they generally wouldn't accept a "no thanks"

Wibbs · 28-01-2020 8:53am

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Its worth noting that if you had a company supplying anything in Nazi Germany and the Nazis knocked on your door to work with them, they generally wouldn't accept a "no thanks"

Well kinda, but it's also worth noting S that there were vanishingly few examples of industry, in Germany and elsewhere, who offered a no thanks. The vast majority were only too happy to take the lucrative contracts and in more than a few cases were happy to remove "undesirables" like Jews, communists and other dissenters from their ranks to get and keep those contracts. The image of a nation's people and industry being forcibly frogmarched by the Evil Nazi's with no choice in the matter is much more about post war denazification and cold war propaganda to keep Germany on side as a bulwark against the Evil Commies.

sbsquarepants · 28-01-2020 9:04am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Concentration camps were bad.

Extermination camps were far worse.

It's not even the genocide, or the numbers involved that shocks me, it's the matter of fact banality of it. We've continued to see genocides all around the world since then, but they are generally understandable in some way as an outpouring of rage between 2 groups of people. This was an industrial project, with board meetings and committees and so on. There would have been tea and biscuits and secretaries in the corner taking minutes and so on.

I'm far from a religious man but the only word i know which can come close to describing it is evil.

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Not sure if Joe Rogan covered it but when they built the Jewish memorial in Berlin they knew it would attract a lot of graffiti so they needed some anti graffiti paint/sealer. Turns out that the company that won the contract to supply the paint was the same company that manufactured the Zyklon B for the Nazis.

Its worth noting that if you had a company supplying anything in Nazi Germany and the Nazis knocked on your door to work with them, they generally wouldn't accept a "no thanks"

True. I don't think anyone really knows how they'd behave until they are in a situation like that. Luckily most of us will never need to find out.

sbsquarepants · 28-01-2020 9:17am

Wibbs wrote: »

The image of a nation's people and industry being forcibly frogmarched by the Evil Nazi's with no choice in the matter is much more about post war denazification and cold war propaganda to keep Germany on side as a bulwark against the Evil Commies.

Wasn't that the thinking behind the nationalisation of Renault (among others) by the French government after the war. Although a lot of companies were "forced" to produce for the Germans after the occupation, public sentiment was that Renault took to it like a duck to water, whereas say Puegot dragged their feet and even assisted the resistance where possible.

How much of that is true and how much of it is just political narrative i don't know. Mr Renault was fairly hated and viewed pretty much like Monty Burns after a bitter strike in the inter war years, there was nobody running to his assistance.

28-01-2020 9:30am

Wibbs wrote: »

Well kinda, but it's also worth noting S that there were vanishingly few examples of industry, in Germany and elsewhere, who offered a no thanks. The vast majority were only too happy to take the lucrative contracts and in more than a few cases were happy to remove "undesirables" like Jews, communists and other dissenters from their ranks to get and keep those contracts. The image of a nation's people and industry being forcibly frogmarched by the Evil Nazi's with no choice in the matter is much more about post war denazification and cold war propaganda to keep Germany on side as a bulwark against the Evil Commies.

It's all shades of grey IMO. The last pope was in the Hitler youth which was brought up plenty but he probably hadn't much choice. Heard Mario Rosenstock on the radio saying proudly that his grandfather wasn't a Nazi. Though he was an officer in the Wehrmacht. In an occupied Channel Island. But then he had Jewish roots he'd managed to conceal so maybe he was compliant so there'd be less digging. But then maybe he was one of the few (aside from the Zionists mostly abroad) Nazi-supporting/sympathising Jews. Plenty of maybes when it comes to this stuff.

Wibbs · 28-01-2020 9:33am

It can be hard to untangle myth from the reality, especially with a war where the propaganda never really switched off because it served the next narrative in the cold war. Peugeot may have been more anti nazi, or had better connections in the post war government, or less of a pre war taint than Renault.

Though one thing is sure, societies do love their scapegoats and really love them when they find it hard to be honest about collective guilt and the more ardent the hate the more collective guilt is usually involved. QV the Irish and the Catholic Church.

BaZmO* · 28-01-2020 11:18am

Hugo Boss made the Nazi uniforms and by all accounts he wasn't dragged kicking and screaming into the factory to produce the uniforms. In fact, he was a member of the Nazi Party and "employed 140 forced labourers, the majority of them women. In addition to these workers, 40 French prisoners of war also worked for the company briefly between October 1940 - April 1941. According to German historian Henning Kober, the company managers were fervent National Socialists who were all great admirers of Adolf Hitler. In 1945, Hugo Boss had a photograph in his apartment of him with Hitler, taken at the Berghof, Hitler's Obersalzberg retreat."

Ineedaname · 28-01-2020 8:12pm

Siemens supplied electrical parts for concentration camps..
Kodak used slave labour in their German branches and supplied the German army with camera equipment.
IBM supplied the punch card and data management machines used to keep track of Jews.

There's plenty more. It would surprise you how many household names were quite happy to do business with the Nazis and they certainly weren't forced.

mzungu · 28-01-2020 10:03pm

Two PlayStation 1 games, FIFA 2001 and Gran Turismo 2, has scratch & sniff discs. The FIFA 2001 smelled like a soccer field, while Gran Turismo 2 smelled like car tires.

sbsquarepants · 29-01-2020 9:06am

BaZmO* wrote: »

Hugo Boss made the Nazi uniforms

You do kinda have to admit though, as genocidal maniacs go, they were quite stylish!

KevRossi · 29-01-2020 11:27am

Ineedaname wrote: »

Siemens supplied electrical parts for concentration camps..
Kodak used slave labour in their German branches and supplied the German army with camera equipment.
IBM supplied the punch card and data management machines used to keep track of Jews.

There's plenty more. It would surprise you how many household names were quite happy to do business with the Nazis and they certainly weren't forced.

Back in the 90's I was living in Hannover, I had a mate whose Dad did catering for events, weddings, etc and he would occasionally ask me to help at weekends. So one day we went out with a van to a kind of Gastropub outside Hannover and set up a small marquee, tables etc. One of the clients cam over to me to ask something, turns out he was Danish. He found out I was Irish and we got chatting.

Turns out they were a group of Danish forced labourers who worked at the VARTA* battery factory during the war and were down having a reunion as well as setting up a group to get compensation for their war work. Most of them still had terrible scars on their arms and chests from chemical burns they received as they mostly worked in an area for testing new battery technology.

There's a memorial to the workers there today, VARTA refused to have it on their land, so it's nearby. You can still see the remains of some of the bunkers and some of the walls of the old works.

Many companies like VARTA and BMW use varioius tricks to slow down the court cases with the active intention of hoping that the former prisoners and forced labourers will die of old age, thus reducing the payouts.

*It was called AFA during the war, then VARTA, now Johnson Controls.

Memorial is at the corner of the junction here, the factory is to the north of this.

KevRossi · 29-01-2020 11:29am

If you get a kidney transplant they leave the old one in, unless it's considered to be dangerous. Your body will eventually, over time absorb it.

If you get a couple of transplants in a short space of time, you can have 4 or 5 kidneys in your body at the same time.

partyguinness · 29-01-2020 11:40am

Ineedaname wrote: »

Siemens supplied electrical parts for concentration camps..
Kodak used slave labour in their German branches and supplied the German army with camera equipment.
IBM supplied the punch card and data management machines used to keep track of Jews.

There's plenty more. It would surprise you how many household names were quite happy to do business with the Nazis and they certainly weren't forced.

Yeah there are plenty. Sure Hugo Boss supplied the uniforms for the SS.

In fact the vast majority of German companies that existed during the Nazi era are still very much alive and kicking today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust

Not just German companies either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergier_commission

Nestle.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/nestle-pays-146m-into-swiss-banks-holocaust-settlement-5370420.html

lmimmfn · 30-01-2020 12:35am

Ineedaname wrote: »

Kodak used slave labour in their German branches and supplied the German army with camera equipment.

On Kodak, they accidentally discovered nuclear bomb testing( may not be the greatest link ) - https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a21382/how-kodak-accidentally-discovered-radioactive-fallout/

cj maxx · 30-01-2020 12:51am

lmimmfn wrote: »

On Kodak, they accidentally discovered nuclear bomb testing( may not be the greatest link ) - https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a21382/how-kodak-accidentally-discovered-radioactive-fallout/

Just marking this to read later

Capt'n Midnight · 30-01-2020 1:15am

lmimmfn wrote: »

On Kodak,

They used to go through more silver every year than the US treasury

Captain_Crash · 30-01-2020 11:25am

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah there are plenty. Sure Hugo Boss supplied the uniforms for the SS.

In fact the vast majority of German companies that existed during the Nazi era are still very much alive and kicking today.

On the flip side of this, Adolf Dassler, the founder of Adidas wouldn't work with the Nazis and in fact supplied sporting equipment to US sports teams both prior to and after the war.

After taking a different approach than the likes of Hugo and Mercedes et al, he was conscripted. But sure that was probably just a big ol' misunderstanding and had nothing to do with his non willingness to help out Hitler and his mates.

ohnonotgmail · 30-01-2020 11:59am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

On the flip side of this, Adolf Dassler, the founder of Adidas wouldn't work with the Nazis and in fact supplied sporting equipment to US sports teams both prior to and after the war.

After taking a different approach than the likes of Hugo and Mercedes et al, he was conscripted. But sure that was probably just a big ol' misunderstanding and had nothing to do with his non willingness to help out Hitler and his mates.

I think you are being a bit generous to adi. He was conscripted but was only in the army for 3 months before he was released back to run his factory. His older brother rudolpf (who founded Puma) was not only conscripted but served for the last 2 years of the war. Adi was also a nazi party member from 1933 onwards and happily profited from the nazi promotion of sport for all. his factory also produced weapons for the german army in the latter part of the war.

Captain_Crash · 30-01-2020 12:16pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think you are being a bit generous to adi. He was conscripted but was only in the army for 3 months before he was released back to run his factory. His older brother rudolpf (who founded Puma) was not only conscripted but served for the last 2 years of the war. Adi was also a nazi party member from 1933 onwards and happily profited from the nazi promotion of sport for all. his factory also produced weapons for the german army in the latter part of the war.

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