Amazon.co.uk - No VAT on certain items under €22

Mav11 · 03-01-2021 10:58am

Just bought an item, £9.99 list price, £8.32 at the checkout, due for delivery on the 19th Jan!

Oat23 · 03-01-2021 11:02am

johnfás wrote: »

Ordered about 6 items separately on prime all under €22. Noticed 4 of them have now dispatched in one package... will see how this pans out &#55356;&#56340;. Value of the package will be above €22.

I posted this in another thread but here is my advice:

Add your home address to your Amazon account multiple times. If you don't want stuff bundled together, just choose a 'different' address to ship it to. Their system won't group any orders together if they have different addresses selected.

Aquos76 · 03-01-2021 11:05am

zell12 wrote: »

You could get em in Dealz for €3

Yeah, but the are generally out of stock. That offer back in November was buy one pack get one free at the time.

Lundstram · 03-01-2021 12:17pm

Went to buy two rear calipers for my car from Amazon.uk - Calipers £78, Shipping Free(prime), Import Dutie £22 = €109 total. Ordered as it was still cheaper than anywhere in Ireland - Micksgarage etc.

Then went onto Amazon.de just to check - Calipers €57, Shipping €22 = €79.

Cancelled the UK one and ordered from .de.

It'll take longer to arrive but that's a significant saving. Exact same item too.

Jofspring · 03-01-2021 12:44pm

Ordered a few bits under €22 also. Have some stuff coming to my home address and some to my work address. Have my parents address available also so can just send things to different locations to make sure they are spread out.

03-01-2021 12:51pm

gally74 wrote: »

ebay uk for used, is hard to take, Ive pucked up some great stuff over the years there,

me too, it was like rummaging through a really good charity shop and getting great bargains. I used to buy a lot of clothes (a few particular labels I love) for next to nothing. All gone now.

Discodog · 03-01-2021 12:52pm

Any ideas why this isn't working for me ?

Order Summary
Items: EUR 19,20
Postage & Packing: EUR 6,74
Import Fees Deposit: EUR 5,45
Total: EUR 31,39
Promotion Applied: -EUR 6,74
Exchange rate guarantee fee: EUR 0,53
Order Total: EUR 25,18

03-01-2021 1:02pm

Discodog wrote: »

Any ideas why this isn't working for me ?

Order Summary
Items: EUR 19,20
Postage & Packing: EUR 6,74
Import Fees Deposit: EUR 5,45
Total: EUR 31,39
Promotion Applied: -EUR 6,74
Exchange rate guarantee fee: EUR 0,53
Order Total: EUR 25,18

Link to the item?

Also, always pay in GBP, works out cheaper.

Yggr of Asgard · 03-01-2021 1:18pm

Discodog wrote: »

Any ideas why this isn't working for me ?

Order Summary
Items: EUR 19,20
Postage & Packing: EUR 6,74
Import Fees Deposit: EUR 5,45
Total: EUR 31,39
Promotion Applied: -EUR 6,74
Exchange rate guarantee fee: EUR 0,53
Order Total: EUR 25,18

Items: EUR 19,20
Postage & Packing: EUR 6,74

You are over the allowance; shipping charges are to be included in the amount!

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx

Discodog · 03-01-2021 1:32pm

Yggr of Asgard wrote: »

Items: EUR 19,20
Postage & Packing: EUR 6,74

You are over the allowance; shipping charges are to be included in the amount!

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx

Well spotted

So the deal only works with Prime

Phil.x · 03-01-2021 1:42pm

Internet shopping (uk) has just got a lot more expensive.

Sheep Shagger · 03-01-2021 1:44pm

Phil.x wrote: »

Internet shopping (uk) has just got a lot more expensive.

Jesus.

okidoki987 · 03-01-2021 2:27pm

Any problems doing this?

Prime for students is free for 6 months and 3.99 a month after that.
If no students in the family, ask neighbour or friends if they have a student they could "lend" you and get them to sign up and register the account at your address.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/amazonprime?_encoding=UTF8&ms3_c=00988bbd2b8ed94fb0015ae8c81134f7&planOptimizationId=WLPStudentMonthlyEligiblePlans&primeCampaignId=studentWlpPrimeRedir&ref_=st_wlp_pr_redir

_Kaiser_ · 03-01-2021 2:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I cancelled my Amazon Prime on 31 December. Ditto Parcel Motel.
Just checked Ebay and this VAT and customs duties also applies to 2nd hand goods.

No more mindless online shopping for things I don’t always need .
From now on it’s buy locally or on Irish websites . I’ve also used Amazon.de a bit but you pay a lot for postage .

It’s like going back in time , quite depressing, but I guess I’ll save a lot of money.
I wonder do many online shoppers realize the huge impact of all this yet ?

The problem there is local Irish (B&M or online) don't offer anywhere near the same range of stuff and generally poor value compared to the same item ordered from the UK.

I buy a lot of computer-type stuff from the likes of Amazon UK and eBay IE/UK. This is going to be significantly more expensive now (if they'll ship here at all given the hassle for sellers too).

_Whimsical_ · 03-01-2021 2:50pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

Any problems doing this?

Prime for students is free for 6 months and 3.99 a month after that.
If no students in the family, ask neighbour or friends if they have a student they could "lend" you and get them to sign up and register the account at your address.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/amazonprime?_encoding=UTF8&ms3_c=00988bbd2b8ed94fb0015ae8c81134f7&planOptimizationId=WLPStudentMonthlyEligiblePlans&primeCampaignId=studentWlpPrimeRedir&ref_=st_wlp_pr_redir

You can't share benefits with another person on the student account, it can only be regged to one address. Doubt you'd find a student willing to forgo their benefits for you.

You can share benefits with another adult with the full normal price account though. Maybe you could go halves on membership with someone.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201910370

_Whimsical_ · 03-01-2021 2:56pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I buy a lot of computer-type stuff from the likes of Amazon UK and eBay IE/UK. This is going to be significantly more expensive now (if they'll ship here at all given the hassle for sellers too).

Bare in mind that "computer stuff" doesn't incur a duty charge so it might remain the same price as ever on amazon IF they continue to sell it.

Discodog · 03-01-2021 3:10pm

The problem is how Addresspal will handle shipments. Will they automatically apply a "processing fee" even if there is nothing to pay ?

muppetkiller · 03-01-2021 3:29pm

Just bought some records under 22 quid and are about 20% cheaper

harmless · 03-01-2021 3:38pm

Discodog wrote: »

The problem is how Addresspal will handle shipments. Will they automatically apply a "processing fee" even if there is nothing to pay ?

No idea.
The problem with domestic UK delivery to Address Pal is there will probably be no documentation on the outside of the parcel declaring the value of the contents inside.

How will address pal calculate if VAT is owed?

okidoki987 · 03-01-2021 3:43pm

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

You can't share benefits with another person on the student account, it can only be regged to one address. Doubt you'd find a student willing to forgo their benefits for you.

You can share benefits with another adult with the full normal price account though. Maybe you could go halves on membership with someone.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201910370

Assume a student is considered one who attends a third level college?

harmless · 03-01-2021 3:56pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

Assume a student is considered one who attends a third level college?

Yes, you have be over 18 and attending a higher level(3rd level) college or university.

Quackster · 03-01-2021 5:24pm

johnfás wrote: »

Ordered about 6 items separately on prime all under €22. Noticed 4 of them have now dispatched in one package... will see how this pans out ðŸ€”. Value of the package will be above €22.

You should be hit for VAT. Hopefully Amazon packages will be assumed to be in order, not subjected to anything other than an occasional spot-check and this will sail on thorough unnoticed.

Otherwise, if they come looking for VAT, just refuse delivery and reorder in a more careful manner.

bfa1509 · 03-01-2021 5:55pm

Over the next six months we need to flood the system with so many €22 packages that, come July, customs will be so overwhelmed they won't dream of bringing in the new rules...

03-01-2021 5:56pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

Over the next six months we need to flood the system with so many €22 packages that, come July, customs will be so overwhelmed they won't dream of bringing in the new rules...

Or they'll realise that they're missing out on so much import VAT that they'll want to introduce the rule sooner.

bfa1509 · 03-01-2021 6:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Or they'll realise that they're missing out on so much import VAT that they'll want to introduce the rule sooner.

Very true and it'll be November before our wifi extender comes...

arrianalexander · 03-01-2021 6:11pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

Assume a student is considered one who attends a third level college?

Did this

Used friends email address just to set it up , it's back the my email address now

Used my own address and have delivered to multiple addresses

Changed it to recently so got it for 39.99 for the year

the goon · 03-01-2021 6:21pm

My head is melted as a bit slower than alot of the people here!. I want to order a Gemini Vivoactive 3 on Amazon UK which is £125 on the site but £127 at checkout with the old VAT switcheroo. Less than the €150 so I should be ok?

Phil.x · 03-01-2021 6:34pm

the goon wrote: »

My head is melted as a bit slower than alot of the people here!. I want to order a Gemini Vivoactive 3 on Amazon UK which is £125 on the site but £127 at checkout with the old VAT switcheroo. Less than the €150 so I should be ok?

€26.04 import fees deposit is added at checkout

podgeandrodge · 03-01-2021 6:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I cancelled my Amazon Prime on 31 December. Ditto Parcel Motel.
Just checked Ebay and this VAT and customs duties also applies to 2nd hand goods.

No more mindless online shopping for things I don’t always need .
From now on it’s buy locally or on Irish websites . I’ve also used Amazon.de a bit but you pay a lot for postage .

It’s like going back in time , quite depressing, but I guess I’ll save a lot of money.
I wonder do many online shoppers realize the huge impact of all this yet ?

Good points. I've already found an Irish website that may be an alternative to amazon for a USB power delivery charger. Only a euro or 2 more as it turned out, so I think I will at least think a bit more before auto purchasing with amazon. For the moment anyway!

the goon · 03-01-2021 6:44pm

Phil.x wrote: »

€26.04 import fees deposit is added at checkout

Not from what I can see. Showing £104.17 being the item value less UK VAT. It then adds £23.14 in the Import Fees Deposit section which is the Irish VAT and a small additional amount which I can't work out. Total seems to be £127.31.

03-01-2021 6:52pm

the goon wrote: »

Not from what I can see. Showing £104.17 being the item value less UK VAT. It then adds £23.14 in the Import Fees Deposit section which is the Irish VAT and a small additional amount which I can't work out. Total seems to be £127.31.

It adds exactly 21% (£21.88) for me.

timple23 · 03-01-2021 6:54pm

Looking at an item on amazon, if I ship to addresspal address it will arrive Tuesday, if I send to Irish address its saying 22 January. Why such a difference?

If I use addresspal do I automatically have to pay customs? Its 80gbp. Or is it up to whether customs stop it?

03-01-2021 7:07pm

timple23 wrote: »

Looking at an item on amazon, if I ship to addresspal address it will arrive Tuesday, if I send to Irish address its saying 22 January. Why such a difference?

Amazon are just being extra cautious as they don't have any current data on how long it will take for items to clear customs in Ireland with the new rules. If it's anything like their similarly long delivery windows for Black Friday and Christmas you'll get it much sooner.

Yggr of Asgard · 03-01-2021 7:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazon are just being extra cautious as they don't have any current data on how long it will take for items to clear customs in Ireland with the new rules. If it's anything like their similarly long delivery windows for Black Friday and Christmas you'll get it much sooner.

I agree my goods that shipped yesterday cleared customs on the evening and are in the Dublin mail center right now with a text from AnPost saying delivery in the next 3 working days.

Amazon is just having a backlog and no experience with shipping under the new rules so they are very careful with setting expectations.

corkie · 03-01-2021 7:22pm

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Good points. I've already found an Irish website that may be an alternative to amazon for a USB power delivery charger. Only a euro or 2 more as it turned out, so I think I will at least think a bit more before auto purchasing with amazon. For the moment anyway!

Any reason? Your not naming the site? Do they also have powerbanks which can't be shipped by Amazon.

harmless · 03-01-2021 7:58pm

timple23 wrote: »

Looking at an item on amazon, if I ship to addresspal address it will arrive Tuesday, if I send to Irish address its saying 22 January. Why such a difference?

If I use addresspal do I automatically have to pay customs? Its 80gbp. Or is it up to whether customs stop it?

Because Amazon can't easly predict if there will be delays because of the customs border down the Irish sea.
The long estimation is so people can't complain if there are long delays. It probably won't take that long but there is a chance it could.

Only get it sent to address pal if you decide you would like to pay VAT in both Ireland and the UK.

liamog · 03-01-2021 8:43pm

The only catch with Amazon and long delivery times, I often see them wait a long time to dispatch the item. Transit time remains the same but it just doesn't leave the Amazon warehouse.

Nonoperational · 03-01-2021 8:48pm

Wouldn’t be too despondent yet. I think they’ll streamline things a lot in the next few weeks.

honda boi · 03-01-2021 9:05pm

Ordered 2 separate orders under €22.
Added my address twice and shipped one order to one of them and other to the "other" address.
Hopefully not all shipped together.

Jofspring · 03-01-2021 9:10pm

What I found in November and December is if something said for example expected delivery on Dec 12th, even if An Post had that in Dublin on Dec 6th it was still December 12th, maybe 11th, before I got it.

Aquos76 · 03-01-2021 9:12pm

Jofspring wrote: »

What I found in November and December is if something said for example expected delivery on Dec 12th, even if An Post had that in Dublin on Dec 6th it was still December 12th, maybe 11th, before I got it.

I had similar experiences also

harmless · 03-01-2021 9:15pm

For me over the Christmas period Amazon was showing very long delivery times close to 2 weeks in some cases but all items arrived within 1 week.

Ogham · 03-01-2021 9:17pm

the goon wrote: »

Not from what I can see. Showing £104.17 being the item value less UK VAT. It then adds £23.14 in the Import Fees Deposit section which is the Irish VAT and a small additional amount which I can't work out. Total seems to be £127.31.

VAT on the delivery - even though it's free they have to VAT the "value" of it.
If you were a Prime member the total price would be 126.04

Asus X540L · 03-01-2021 9:22pm

honda boi wrote: »

Ordered 2 separate orders under €22.
Added my address twice and shipped one order to one of them and other to the "other" address.
Hopefully not all shipped together.

I'm now terrified all the small items I've ordered shall be shipped together.

okidoki987 · 03-01-2021 9:35pm

Asus X540L wrote: »

I'm now terrified all the small items I've ordered shall be shipped together.

Cancel and reorder on different days?

honda boi · 03-01-2021 9:37pm

If they ship together and your stung with an post fee and vat surely Amazon might help out?
Since you ordered separately

Ogham · 03-01-2021 9:49pm

Asus X540L wrote: »

I'm now terrified all the small items I've ordered shall be shipped together.

Amazon state that "you won’t be charged additional fees if the actual Import Fees exceed the Import Fees Deposit we estimated"

If there is any issue with it (which I doubt) - Amazon will sort it out.

harmless · 03-01-2021 9:49pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

Cancel and reorder on different days?

I like the idea of shipping to slightly different variants of the same address.
I think that should work.

starlit · 03-01-2021 9:57pm

Do amazon deliver via an post or hermes or another courier?

Basq · 03-01-2021 9:57pm

Slightly off-topic but have an item due to arrive on 11th which hasn't shipped yet, but Prime is due to renew on the 7th.

The item is only £7 so fecked if I'm paying for shipping.

If I cancel Prime before it ships, will they tack on shipping to that order?

Amazon.co.uk - No VAT on certain items under €22

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