Tramore Valley Park

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 15-05-2020 4:54pm

http://chng.it/QV2q8X9yr6

A petition has been started to get cllrs and City Hall to reevaluate the Half Moon Lane entrance, in the hope of getting them to open it this Summer..

namloc1980 · 15-05-2020 7:38pm

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

http://chng.it/QV2q8X9yr6

A petition has been started to get cllrs and City Hall to reevaluate the Half Moon Lane entrance, in the hope of getting them to open it this Summer..

Nothing but a bunch of whingers according to Terry Shannon.

opus · 15-05-2020 7:41pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nothing but a bunch of whingers according to Terry Shannon.

I hadn't a clue who Terry Shannon was but now find myself telling friends who live in his council area to be sure & not vote for the guy! Figure if I tell a few people & they do the same it will hopefully have some impact.

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 15-05-2020 9:20pm

opus wrote: »

I hadn't a clue who Terry Shannon was but now find myself telling friends who live in his council area to be sure & not vote for the guy! Figure if I tell a few people & they do the same it will hopefully have some impact.

He relies on a very niche set of people to vote for him.. Mainly elderly people who he gets their gardens mowed for etc.

I doubt many others would give him a vote.

Certainly wouldn't touch him with a bargepole after his multiple anti pedestrian and anti cyclist comments. He's against speed reductions, 30km areas too.

namloc1980 · 16-05-2020 1:15pm

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Car traffic chaos at Tramore Valley Park today. Kind of sad really.

Black_Knight · 16-05-2020 1:35pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Car traffic chaos at Tramore Valley Park today. Kind of sad really.

Lots is attributed to the dump/recycling. They're the only one open in Cork from what they told me. Rafeen is closed. Everyone spring cleaning since there's not much to do, and they have to limit the number of cars/people at a time too.

That all blocks up the road for cars going to the park area. It is busy though, while still allowing for social distancing. (This has been my experience so far)

User142 · 16-05-2020 6:00pm

https://twitter.com/corkcityparks/status/1261673936695234562

Apparently this tweet is so wrong that someone in the council decided to work on a Saturday! Its wrong to say the park is inaccessible in this photo because its actually a jam caused by the recycling centre. The fact that park is still inaccessible doesn't bother the council or Terry (who retweeted).....

Terry must still high from the praise he's getting from locals for temporarily not acting as an obstacle to the Marina from being pedestrianised.

https://twitter.com/TerryTshannon/status/1261346603341930498

s1ippy · 16-05-2020 6:03pm

User142 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/corkcityparks/status/1261673936695234562

Apparently this tweet is so wrong that someone in the council decided to work on a Saturday! Its wrong to say the park is inaccessible in this photo because its actually a jam caused by the recycling centre. The fact that park is still inaccessible doesn't bother the council or Terry (who retweeted).....

Terry must still high from the praise he's getting from locals for temporarily not acting as an obstacle to the Marina from being pedestrianised.

https://twitter.com/TerryTshannon/status/1261346603341930498

Lorna Bogue was apparently in the thick of it as well but you won't see them giving her any credit

namloc1980 · 16-05-2020 6:10pm

Shannon is some bluffer. He repeatedly fought to block this and here he is taking the credit. Do people actually believe his nonsense?

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namloc1980 · 16-05-2020 6:13pm

User142 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/corkcityparks/status/1261673936695234562

Apparently this tweet is so wrong that someone in the council decided to work on a Saturday! Its wrong to say the park is inaccessible in this photo because its actually a jam caused by the recycling centre. The fact that park is still inaccessible doesn't bother the council or Terry (who retweeted).....

Terry must still high from the praise he's getting from locals for temporarily not acting as an obstacle to the Marina from being pedestrianised.

https://twitter.com/TerryTshannon/status/1261346603341930498

The pr machine is hard at work in city hall.

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 16-05-2020 9:00pm

Love the way nearly all the comments under Terry's tweet are calling him out for the bluffer that he is

Some neck on him to try and claim credit for it. Does he think the electorate are all dopes or what?

https://twitter.com/carfreecork/status/1261408850298765312?s=19

User142 · 17-05-2020 1:02pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Shannon is some bluffer. He repeatedly fought to block this and here he is taking the credit. Do people actually believe his nonsense?

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I think most people don't pay any attention. You can see journalists happy to regurgitate the "Reimagine Cork" spin without any really critique. Probably afraid to upset any relationships and lose their inside access.

These small changes they've made will be reversed by Autumn and cllrs and traders will use the post COVID economy as an excuse to halt any additional measures for the coming years.

It should be a bigger story that public transport capacity has been destroyed and the only response from Cork city council is to pedestrianise a few small streets and say people will take their cars instead . How are people supposed to get around when workers, schools and colleges come back when things reopen. Where are people going to get the money for cars and where the hell do we plan on parking them in the city? How bad will congestion be if this is the plan...

FrStone · 17-05-2020 1:26pm

User142 wrote: »

I think most people don't pay any attention. You can see journalists happy to regurgitate the "Reimagine Cork" spin without any really critique. Probably afraid to upset any relationships and lose their inside access.

These small changes they've made will be reversed by Autumn and cllrs and traders will use the post COVID economy as an excuse to halt any additional measures for the coming years.

It should be a bigger story that public transport capacity has been destroyed and the only response from Cork city council is to pedestrianise a few small streets and say people will take their cars instead . How are people supposed to get around when workers, schools and colleges come back when things reopen. Where are people going to get the money for cars and where the hell do we plan on parking them in the city? How bad will congestion be if this is the plan...

It will be interesting to see what happens in a few months. I imagine that people will be reluctant to go back to public transport as you are in such close proximity to people...

A rise in car sales was seen in Wuhan after the lockdown ended, it will be interesting to see what happens in Cork.

namloc1980 · 17-05-2020 1:42pm

User142 wrote: »

I think most people don't pay any attention. You can see journalists happy to regurgitate the "Reimagine Cork" spin without any really critique. Probably afraid to upset any relationships and lose their inside access.

These small changes they've made will be reversed by Autumn and cllrs and traders will use the post COVID economy as an excuse to halt any additional measures for the coming years.

It should be a bigger story that public transport capacity has been destroyed and the only response from Cork city council is to pedestrianise a few small streets and say people will take their cars instead . How are people supposed to get around when workers, schools and colleges come back when things reopen. Where are people going to get the money for cars and where the hell do we plan on parking them in the city? How bad will congestion be if this is the plan...

It's going to be awful. Large numbers of people don't have access to cars. In the 2016 census a sizeable number of households in the city indicated they had no car. And the response from the City Hall is

User142 · 17-05-2020 2:39pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's going to be awful. Large numbers of people don't have access to cars. In the 2016 census a sizeable number of households in the city indicated they had no car. And the response from the City Hall is

One things for sure. Half moon ain't opening.

They are already backtracking on their crap commitments to pedestrians which friendly journalists used to give them headlines last week....

https://twitter.com/sendboyle/status/1261998137977249793

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 17-05-2020 2:40pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's going to be awful. Large numbers of people don't have access to cars. In the 2016 census a sizeable number of households in the city indicated they had no car. And the response from the City Hall is

City Hall are known for taking absolutely no input from residents living in the centre - of which there are 1000's without a private vehicle as you rightly say.

Management need to take a long, hard look at what they're proposing.

It's going to be a complete mess.

opus · 08-06-2020 7:41pm

The infamous culvert in TVP that could not be used to provide access to the Black Ash car park as it's too dangerous.

Strangely this path which has a much longer culvert is totally fine however!

Outkast_IRE · 11-06-2020 3:23pm

opus wrote: »

The infamous culvert in TVP that could not be used to provide access to the Black Ash car park as it's too dangerous.

Strangely this path which has a much longer culvert is totally fine however!

Well i wouldnt say its totally fine, i used in regularly a few years back and most of the bulbs had blown and they would not maintain it, its a really long stretch to be in the dark.

I think the other one is far larger in terms of width and head height.

blindsider · 12-06-2020 11:30pm

How many council employees does it take to change a light bulb?

:rolleyes:

Jibe directed at Council, not directed at Outkast....just to be clear...

opus · 26-07-2020 7:48pm

Any sort of progress is good news I guess.

Plans for Tramore Valley Park pedestrian and cycle entrance to go on public display

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 26-07-2020 8:42pm

opus wrote: »

Any sort of progress is good news I guess.

Plans for Tramore Valley Park pedestrian and cycle entrance to go on public display

I have never seen such a hullabaloo made over the unlocking of a gate.

Footpaths and cycle lanes all over town are parked in on a daily basis. They only use safety concerns as an excuse when it suits them.

opus · 10-08-2020 10:21pm

Well looks like we won't be seeing that entrance anytime soon

https://twitter.com/sendboyle/status/1292929215487258624

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 10-08-2020 10:23pm

https://twitter.com/IBIKECork/status/1292710994322632704?s=19

Come along to this on Sunday, should be interesting.

Complete BS that we're still waiting for the gate to be unlocked.

c montgomery · 10-08-2020 10:24pm

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IBIKECork/status/1292710994322632704?s=19

Come along to this on Sunday, should be interesting.

Complete BS that we're still waiting for the gate to be unlocked.

Wheres Shalom Park?

Be right back · 10-08-2020 10:29pm

c montgomery wrote: »

Wheres Shalom Park?

Near Albert road and across from modern tyres.

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 14-08-2020 10:08pm

The saga continues...

https://twitter.com/echolivecork/status/1294216667648741377?s=19

Summer 2021 at the earliest for the gate on Half Moon Lane to be open.

Even Christ the King chime in:

https://twitter.com/christkingss/status/1294350619604590594?s=19

TheChizler · 15-08-2020 3:52pm

I wonder would we be in a different position with an elected mayor, there seems to be no accountability to the people in City Hall. How are other councils getting things done so fast?

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 15-08-2020 10:37pm

Terry Shannon has offered a personal favour to the principal of Christ King for a key... You couldn't make this stuff up. Meanwhile stating the entrance is dangerous and keeping the general public locked out.

https://twitter.com/TerryTshannon/status/1294336932013629443?s=19

Terry is the definition of parish pump politics.

timsey tiger · 15-08-2020 10:43pm

TheChizler wrote: »

I wonder would we be in a different position with an elected mayor, there seems to be no accountability to the people in City Hall. How are other councils getting things done so fast?

We'd be giving out about graft and cronyism, instead of incompetence and cronyism.

opus · 17-08-2020 12:32pm

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Terry Shannon has offered a personal favour to the principal of Christ King for a key... You couldn't make this stuff up. Meanwhile stating the entrance is dangerous and keeping the general public locked out.

Terry is the definition of parish pump politics.

It would appear others have 'private access' also, this whole thing stinks to high heaven.

https://twitter.com/IBIKECork/status/1295015261783953409

namloc1980 · 17-08-2020 5:34pm

Private access to the park for the select few organised by the shower in City Hall while the general public can like it or lump it. Cronyism is alive and well.

opus · 27-08-2020 8:07pm

Another inch forward.

https://twitter.com/TramoreVparkrun/status/1299058162834776064

jackc101 · 28-08-2020 1:27pm

All the docs are up / out now;
Time to dig in

https://consult.corkcity.ie/en/consultation/part-8-access-tramore-valley-park-half-moon-lane-road-improvement-scheme

opus · 28-08-2020 2:20pm

Already done!

hans aus dtschl · 28-08-2020 3:36pm

I think it's fair to say that this is the most impressively over-engineered solution to opening a gate that I have ever seen.

It's the most cycle and pedestrian friendly design I've ever seen Cork City Council attempt on a normal road: raised tables, road narrowing, gulley removal, calming chicanes, rumble strips - you name it! I'm not complaining, I just wish they spent a fraction of that effort on their dedicated pedestrian and cycle infrastructure elsewhere!

lostinsuperfunk · 28-08-2020 8:17pm

I think it's fair to say that this is the most impressively over-engineered solution to opening a gate that I have ever seen.

I know, particularly as I'm sure Terry would give you a key if you DM him on Twitter!

TheChizler · 29-08-2020 12:38am

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I think it's fair to say that this is the most impressively over-engineered solution to opening a gate that I have ever seen.

It's the most cycle and pedestrian friendly design I've ever seen Cork City Council attempt on a normal road: raised tables, road narrowing, gulley removal, calming chicanes, rumble strips - you name it! I'm not complaining, I just wish they spent a fraction of that effort on their dedicated pedestrian and cycle infrastructure elsewhere!

On a cul de sac no less.

opus · 15-09-2020 10:08am

Needless to say it's next year (as it's always been it seems)!

CONSTRUCTION works on the pedestrian entrance to Tramore Valley Park from Half Moon Lane won’t be under way until the end of the first quarter of 2021 at the earliest.

Long-awaited works on park access won’t start until next year

25-10-2020 10:14pm

Was in the park today, first time in months and was pleasantly surprised with how popular and busy it was. I think all those saplings will look great in a few years. Pedestrian access obviously still the big problem and unfinished paths in this weather.

1 thing its sorely missing is a playground, the outdoor gym has become the playground which would actually stop people who would use it from using it.

In the next decade it will mature into a great amenity

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 25-10-2020 10:45pm

I'd love to access it within my 5km limit but that damn gate on Half Moon Lane is still locked..

snotboogie · 26-10-2020 9:31am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was in the park today, first time in months and was pleasantly surprised with how popular and busy it was. I think all those saplings will look great in a few years. Pedestrian access obviously still the big problem and unfinished paths in this weather.

1 thing its sorely missing is a playground, the outdoor gym has become the playground which would actually stop people who would use it from using it.

In the next decade it will mature into a great amenity

Huge potential but it needs enormous investment. Doesn't seem to be anything in the way of plans aside from half moon lane access and the access bridge over the south ring, which is a shame as the park still has a post apocalypse wasteland feel to it.

Chris_5339762 · 26-10-2020 12:48pm

It'll need 30 - 50 years to bed in as a really nice park (think Stephens Green or one of them). At the moment it still feels like a dump converted to a park but there is potential there. Its a destination though because you can only access it by car/bike. Its not a place you pass through or stop off for a coffee.

26-10-2020 7:07pm

Still not sure why they can't extend the path under the road from harvey norman side, that would solve a lot of issues. There is 4 potential access point right now, 1 is open, half moon could be opened and have gards present for a few weeks issuing fines for parking it should only be pedestrian access.

Was going past hartys quay today and a gard was out writing tickets, surely the issue there is lack of parking for one of the few greenways within the city that people flock to. Maybe not as many would be driving to it if they had other options that they could walk to

snotboogie · 26-10-2020 10:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Still not sure why they can't extend the path under the road from harvey norman side, that would solve a lot of issues. There is 4 potential access point right now, 1 is open, half moon could be opened and have gards present for a few weeks issuing fines for parking it should only be pedestrian access.

Was going past hartys quay today and a gard was out writing tickets, surely the issue there is lack of parking for one of the few greenways within the city that people flock to. Maybe not as many would be driving to it if they had other options that they could walk to

That access point is part of the master plan. When they get all 4 entrances open, you will get a lot of through traffic. That would give the potential for a coffee shop or two. A kids playground is pretty badly needed. Some of the paths need to be cleaned up as they get very muddy when it rains. A bit of a cleanup would make a huge difference. Aside from that the public basketball/ 5 a side court in douglas community park has been an outrageous success. I don't see why you couldn't add 3 or 4 similar courts in TVP?

opus · 09-11-2020 9:53pm

A bit of progress, council has approved the entrance on Half Moon Lane.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1325874771712745478

11-11-2020 3:49pm

snotboogie wrote: »

That access point is part of the master plan. When they get all 4 entrances open, you will get a lot of through traffic. That would give the potential for a coffee shop or two. A kids playground is pretty badly needed. Some of the paths need to be cleaned up as they get very muddy when it rains. A bit of a cleanup would make a huge difference. Aside from that the public basketball/ 5 a side court in douglas community park has been an outrageous success. I don't see why you couldn't add 3 or 4 similar courts in TVP?

plus Douglas park now will have an outdoor gym.

The playground in Douglas is fantastic too, it depresses me when i bring the kids to the Lough to see the ducks and swans and the pathetic playground there compared to Douglas.

murphym7 · 11-11-2020 10:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

plus Douglas park now will have an outdoor gym.

The playground in Douglas is fantastic too, it depresses me when i bring the kids to the Lough to see the ducks and swans and the pathetic playground there compared to Douglas.

The playground at the Lough is pretty grim, although the outdoor gym at the Douglas park has been there for years.

opus · 10-02-2021 10:25pm

This getting ridiculous

Further delays in plan to open pedestrian access to Tramore Valley Park

Mardyke · 10-02-2021 11:00pm

Doherty and Co. will have blood on their hands... Saw on twitter that some kids on bikes were nearly blown away crossing the South Link the other day, trying to get into the park.

User142 · 10-02-2021 11:22pm

I listened into a council meeting regarding the marina. The conversation was on the possibility of asphalting the area outside the rowing club and creating another car park. The cllrs by large are very very concerned about ensuring people can drive to amenities. Like the ability to park gets a huge chunk of time. Same council that attempted to convert Oliver Plunkett St. into a drive through during Lockdown 1, then refused to give it back to pedestrians before doing a survey of how that would impact essential workers parking....

We are a city run by an old aged grumpy suburbanites.

Speaks volumes that you can only turn left leaving the park. Its literally tailored for heading back out to the suburbs via the South Link.

I've accessed this park by bike. Leaving it is..... fun. I'll continue to do it because I'm so bored this lockdown and can't get over the fact that a city park is inaccessible to local city residents.

The health and safety line is utter crap. All you have to do is look at how they are f*cked up the junction on the centre park road to know its an excuse. That turns into a chaotic mess of confusion.

Tramore Valley Park

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