VW ID.3

sk8board · 13-10-2019 10:41pm

Bjorn video.
So much for the “size of a golf with the interior space of a Passat” argument.
Obviously the comparison of estate and hatchback is a nonsense, but the one measurement that’s quite stark is the width of the rear seat bench (at 06m55) with the ID being a full 10cm narrower. Those of us with 3 in the back will know that 10cm in the back seat is actually a big difference for shoulder room.

https://youtu.be/KiMkCQRglwI

Mike9832 · 13-10-2019 11:35pm

sk8board wrote: »

Bjorn video.
So much for the “size of a golf with the interior space of a Passat” argument.
Obviously the comparison of estate and hatchback is a nonsense, but the one measurement that’s quite stark is the width of the rear seat bench (at 06m55) with the ID being a full 10cm narrower. Those of us with 3 in the back will know that 10cm in the back seat is actually a big difference for shoulder room.

https://youtu.be/KiMkCQRglwI

Shaping up to be the biggest let down of them all and we've had a few

10cm is alot, it's no bigger than a Golf then?

liamog · 13-10-2019 11:57pm

The interior space was always meant to be lengthways, changing the wheel base without changing the length of the car was never going to make the car wider.

I suspect most people who are waiting for the ID.3 won't be disappointed with the measurements.

unkel · 14-10-2019 12:21am

sk8board wrote: »

Bjorn video.
So much for the “size of a golf with the interior space of a Passat” argument.

I just ran out to Ioniq to measure the width of the rear bench. It is 136cm (so same as the Passat). Which is adequate for my 3 teenage and almost teenage girls. I've always maintained Ioniq has the inside space similar to some of the smaller D-segment cars like the BMW 3-series and that it is not really a C-segment car like a lot of people claim. This measurement alone has proven me right.

125cm of the ID.3 is far too small for us. That's C-segment. That's me out. Furious that VW claimed the ID.3 has the inside space of a Passat. That was pure lies :mad:

"You have just cancelled your reservation for the ID.3 1ST Special edition. Your reservation number was IDNeobhGTPVsTN3SF. We very much regret to hear this of course. We have already initiated a refund of your €1,000 reservation fee, which may take up to five banking days to process."

Irishjg · 14-10-2019 7:20am

unkel wrote: »

I just ran out to Ioniq to measure the width of the rear bench. It is 136cm (so same as the Passat). Which is adequate for my 3 teenage and almost teenage girls. I've always maintained Ioniq has the inside space similar to some of the smaller D-segment cars like the BMW 3-series and that it is not really a C-segment car like a lot of people claim. This measurement alone has proven me right.

125cm of the ID.3 is far too small for us. That's C-segment. That's me out. Furious that VW claimed the ID.3 has the inside space of a Passat. That was pure lies :mad:

"You have just cancelled your reservation for the ID.3 1ST Special edition. Your reservation number was IDNeobhGTPVsTN3SF. We very much regret to hear this of course. We have already initiated a refund of your €1,000 reservation fee, which may take up to five banking days to process."

Well that’s another cancellation before the actual prices have been even officially announced here. I’d be very interested to see how many from original list from page one of this thread still hold a reservation. Possibly half of us have cancelled for various reasons.

Mike9832 · 14-10-2019 8:27am

unkel wrote: »

I just ran out to Ioniq to measure the width of the rear bench. It is 136cm (so same as the Passat). Which is adequate for my 3 teenage and almost teenage girls. I've always maintained Ioniq has the inside space similar to some of the smaller D-segment cars like the BMW 3-series and that it is not really a C-segment car like a lot of people claim. This measurement alone has proven me right.

125cm of the ID.3 is far too small for us. That's C-segment. That's me out. Furious that VW claimed the ID.3 has the inside space of a Passat. That was pure lies :mad:

"You have just cancelled your reservation for the ID.3 1ST Special edition. Your reservation number was IDNeobhGTPVsTN3SF. We very much regret to hear this of course. We have already initiated a refund of your €1,000 reservation fee, which may take up to five banking days to process."

Why wait anyway?

The 30k ID3 is smaller than Ioniq 38kWh, same range, same crappy charge rate of max 50kW, out years later ( Ioniq 38kWh out soon) and same price

Ioniq probably has much better spec too and a proper warranty ( 5 year unlimited)

Ioniq 38kWh has been a total disappointment, shows how good the ID3 for €30k is lol ðŸ˜‚

adunis · 14-10-2019 8:41am

Looks like there still isn't an Ioniq 28 alternative yet..........oh yeah model 3 just gonna have to find out how long an Ioniq will last before I can get/afford one of them.although bigger Renault might be as good as the zoë whenever that's gonna happen.

timsey tiger · 14-10-2019 10:29am

sk8board wrote: »

Bjorn video.
So much for the “size of a golf with the interior space of a Passat” argument.
Obviously the comparison of estate and hatchback is a nonsense, but the one measurement that’s quite stark is the width of the rear seat bench (at 06m55) with the ID being a full 10cm narrower. Those of us with 3 in the back will know that 10cm in the back seat is actually a big difference for shoulder room.

https://youtu.be/KiMkCQRglwI

I'm not sure about Bjorn's measurements here. Id3 is only 2cm narrower overall than Passat. What have they done with extra 4cm each side? He's just quickly sticking in a tape measure, he may have made an error. Not enough here for me make a decision on a €40k+? spend.

sk8board · 14-10-2019 10:52am

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'm not sure about Bjorn's measurements here. Id3 is only 2cm narrower overall than Passat. What have they done with extra 4cm each side? He's just quickly sticking in a tape measure, he may have made an error. Not enough here for me make a decision on a €40k+? spend.

He was measuring the seat bench width (i.e the usable width you can actually sit on), and wasn't measuring door to door.

ELM327 · 14-10-2019 10:55am

Mike9832 wrote: »

Why wait anyway?

The 30k ID3 is smaller than Ioniq 38kWh, same range, same crappy charge rate of max 50kW, out years later ( Ioniq 38kWh out soon) and same price

Ioniq probably has much better spec too and a proper warranty ( 5 year unlimited)

Ioniq 38kWh has been a total disappointment, shows how good the ID3 for €30k is lol &#55357;&#56834;

I'm sure Unkel isnt stupid enough to "upgrade" (downgrade) from his current Ioniq 28 to the 38!

Mike9832 · 14-10-2019 11:05am

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm sure Unkel isnt stupid enough to "upgrade" (downgrade) from his current Ioniq 28 to the 38!

He's not

Hence why he wouldn't be stupid enough to upgrade to a 30k ID3 with 50kW charging :pac:

Not even going to mention 40k ID3, if you've 40k to spend, pony up a few more and buy a Tesla and be done with it

Silent Running · 14-10-2019 11:27am

Mike9832 wrote: »

He's not

Hence why he wouldn't be stupid enough to upgrade to a 30k ID3 with 50kW charging :pac:

Not even going to mention 40k ID3, if you've 40k to spend, pony up a few more and buy a Tesla and be done with it

Yeah but not everyone wants a Tesla. I had the money to pony up, but I didn't want a 3 box saloon body. Also, there's something I don't like about the roofline at the back.

liamog · 14-10-2019 11:46am

ID.3 base with with 100kW charging is only going to be an extra €x, maybe hold off on the wholesale condemnation until we actually have a number for what the x is.

drunkmonkey · 14-10-2019 11:51am

I've a feeling the ID will be a lot better to drive than the Ioniq.

Tbh at this stage I'm more interested to see what the mk8, GTI, GTE and R are going to be like if unvailed on the 24th.

The more I look at Tesla real word milage I don't think the middle battery size on the ID is going to be enough.

unkel · 14-10-2019 11:51am

Mike9832 wrote: »

if you've 40k to spend, pony up a few more and buy a Tesla and be done with it

I would have. Had the reservation for Model 3. But then we got a dog, so a saloon car is no longer an option. Has to be hatch back.

Not so sure now about my next car. Maybe a Tesla Model S second hand. But likely to just hold onto Ioniq. The main con about Ioniq is its range, but that is quickly disappearing now with Ionity and other CCS chargers shooting up all over the place.

unkel · 14-10-2019 11:54am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've a feeling the ID will be a lot better to drive than the Ioniq.

Of course it will. Ioniq is a FWD econobox from Korea. ID.3 is RWD, more powerful, and made by people who care a bit more about how a car drives. The FWD eGolf already is a far better drive then Ioniq.

Ryath · 14-10-2019 1:12pm

Think you may be throwing the baby out with the bath water Unkel based on a single seat measurement. I'd say the ID3 is at least as spacious in the rear as the Ioniq. Possibly even better for the middle seat passenger as it has a flatter floor and the roof doesn't slope down to the back as much so headroom is better.

Look how wide the seat bolster is on the Passat it extends into the door frame. That accounts for most of the extra 10cm. Would like to see a measurement for middle seat but it looks very close in size. My Zafira tourers seats at 127cm are 8cm narrower than a passat but it is way better for carrying 3 passengers. I've had 3 six foot plus guys in the middle row comfortably. Passengers always comment on how spacious it is.

Passat rear seats.
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vw-passat-road-test-2015-022.jpg?itok=DzwEf114

Ioniq is similar

Can't find a good shot of the ID.3 but in Bjorns video the seat bolsters definitely look a slimmer.

Would like if the boot was a bit bigger closer to the 450 plus mark but the id being a hatch back looks to have more space above the window line than the liftback Ioniq. Actully in Bjorns banana box test he got an extra one in there 7 vs 6 and 19 vs 18 with seats down.

Wheelbase's are really what limit interior space. It might have similar external dimensions to the Golf but it is a lot bigger inside. A lot of the Passats extra external length is in the bonnet and bigger boot and same with the Ioniq.

Wheelbase
Id3 276.5cm
Passat 278.6cm
Ioniq 270cm
Golf 263.5cm

unkel · 14-10-2019 1:25pm

Good post, Ryath. I do take your point about the seat bolsters in Passat almost hitting the door (and Ioniq being similar). Headroom and leg room aren't issues for me having 3 girls but the width of the bench is as they are getting near adult sizes now.

I'll try in person once the car hits the show rooms, but tbh I was never going to spend €40k on an ID.3.

Mike9832 wrote: »

Hence why he wouldn't be stupid enough to upgrade to a 30k ID3 with 50kW charging :pac:

I do consider the ID.3 base model for €30k an upgrade from Ioniq (if it had the same space). More power, more range, RWD and no doubt a better car to drive. I wouldn't even upgrade the base 50kW to 100kW CCS unless it was really cheap (a few hundred)

liamog · 14-10-2019 1:39pm

Always suspected Unkel was going to go Model Y or used Model S.

TitianGerm · 14-10-2019 1:40pm

unkel wrote: »

Good post, Ryath. I do take your point about the seat bolsters in Passat almost hitting the door (and Ioniq being similar). Headroom and leg room aren't issues for me having 3 girls but the width of the bench is as they are getting near adult sizes now.

I'll try in person once the car hits the show rooms, but tbh I was never going to spend €40k on an ID.3.

I do consider the ID.3 base model for €30k an upgrade from Ioniq (if it had the same space). More power, more range, RWD and no doubt a better car to drive. I wouldn't even upgrade the base 50kW to 100kW CCS unless it was really cheap (a few hundred)

How often would you even have the 3 girls in the back at once? My dad thinks the exact same way and buys bigger cars so he can have the space yet it's only ever him and maybe one more person in the car

unkel · 14-10-2019 1:51pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

How often would you even have the 3 girls in the back at once?

Often enough and it's our only family car. Really don't want anything smaller in the back than Ioniq, which has adequate space. Most of my former cars were much bigger, think BMW 5 and 7 series, Saab 9-5, Jaguar S-type

liamog wrote: »

Always suspected Unkel was going to go Model Y or used Model S.

Not ruling anything out. I'm not a Tesla fanboy but I like the Model S (although it really is too wide for normal use in Dublin). Model Y is looking very promising but it is still far away. Also like Polestar 2 and love the looks of the Skoda Vision IV although that really is only still a prototype and might only have 4 seats

TitianGerm · 14-10-2019 1:56pm

unkel wrote: »

Often enough and it's our only family car. Really don't want anything smaller in the back than Ioniq, which has adequate space. Most of my former cars were much bigger, think BMW 5 and 7 series, Saab 9-5, Jaguar S-type

Not ruling anything out. I'm not a Tesla fanboy but I like the Model S (although it really is too wide for normal use in Dublin). Model Y is looking very promising but it is still far away. Also like Polestar 2 and love the looks of the Skoda Vision IV although that really is only still a prototype and might only have 4 seats

I probably wouldn't have cancelled until you saw it in person. May be wider than it looks in the back.

unkel · 14-10-2019 2:11pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

I probably wouldn't have cancelled until you saw it in person. May be wider than it looks in the back.

It might be wider than it looks, but I wasn't going to spend €40k on an ID.3 anyway. And for the €30k version, you don't need a reservation (but you do need to wait until 2021)

Lumen · 14-10-2019 2:13pm

unkel wrote: »

I'm not a Tesla fanboy but I like the Model S (although it really is too wide for normal use in Dublin)

I didn't find the width a problem on the road but the turning circle seemed to be appalling. Almost unusable in tight car parks.

Three adults in the back is always a challenge. I'd love a 3+3 EV to replace my ancient FR-V but I don't see any on the horizon. Current EV design is so desperately conventional (aside from the i3). If JLR had pulled their heads out of their arses a few years ago we could have an electric 3+3 Defender 90 by now.

unkel · 14-10-2019 2:20pm

Yes I could also do with an additional seat occasionally. That's what appeals in the Model S and Model Y with 7 seat options

I don't think there would be a big market for an EV Defender 90 right now though. Most people who like them and tend to buy them are a bit, errrm how to put this gently, old skool :pac:

Ryath · 14-10-2019 2:31pm

Lumen wrote: »

I didn't find the width a problem on the road but the turning circle seemed to be appalling. Almost unusable in tight car parks.

Three adults in the back is always a challenge. I'd love a 3+3 EV to replace my ancient FR-V but I don't see any on the horizon. Current EV design is so desperately conventional (aside from the i3). If JLR had pulled their heads out of their arses a few years ago we could have an electric 3+3 Defender 90 by now.

Always liked those FR-Vs. A 3+3 MPV would make a lot of sense in an EV with no need for a transmission tunnel or centre console for gear shifter. May be in the ID Buzz as it will be essentially a van so good chance it will have a 1.5 passenger bench seat option.

sk8board · 15-10-2019 9:29am

Sounds like I’m in a similar position as Unkel - the rear seat bench is one of the most important things, and must take 3 growing kids.

We have all 3 in the back of our Golf a lot and we’re originally from Kilkenny - so about 400km range is key also.

The model 3 rear bench is shaped into two main seats and then a bit of narrow/hump in the middle (not much difference to my bmw 4GC - which is now pretty unusable for 3 in the back unless v short journeys).

Our Golf replacement will be mid next year.
It’s a pretty short list, but for sure the model 3 isn’t on it.

I see the model 3 as a direct replacement for my 4GC - sporty, fast, nice looks, similar price, but isn’t a car for a family with 3 kids.

charlieIRL · 15-10-2019 9:44am

I've gone for an Audi A4 Avant to an eGolf and every morning I bring my 2 teenage kids to school along with our friends daughter. Some morning's I have to bring an extra kid to school so car can be a busy place, escpecially if they have sports during school - all the kids are from 14 to 18.

I've asked them how are they for space in the Golf and they said its the exact same as the A4 so even if there is a few centimeters difference, they don't notice it. I must measure it and see.

rivegauche · 15-10-2019 12:49pm

VW Golf MK8 dashboard is as bland as the dashboard in the ID3.

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/2020-vw-golf-leaks-ahead-of-schedule-what-do-you-think/

The same lack of distinct buttons pervades.

VW are obviously trying to economise while hoping that addition of extra screens distracts the customer.

marcos_94 · 15-10-2019 1:04pm

rivegauche wrote: »

VW Golf MK8 dashboard is as bland as the dashboard in the ID3.

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/2020-vw-golf-leaks-ahead-of-schedule-what-do-you-think/

The same lack of distinct buttons pervades.

VW are obviously trying to economise while hoping that addition of extra screens distracts the customer.

I actually quite like it. Hard to tell about the buttons from that photo but do prefer having buttons over in screen management. Also like how the dashboard is angled towards the driver

drunkmonkey · 15-10-2019 3:04pm

Looks like the Mercedes but more rounded, second screen looks like an afterthought like the BMW etc. MK 7.5 set up is just as nice and it's got buttons.

sk8board · 15-10-2019 8:26pm

marcos_94 wrote: »

I actually quite like it. Hard to tell about the buttons from that photo but do prefer having buttons over in screen management. Also like how the dashboard is angled towards the driver

Same here - looks good even in those crap pics, but let’s see what it looks like in the plethora of videos when the embargo lifts - and in gti or highline spec

tw0nk · 18-10-2019 11:50am

Anyone hear anything yet regarding decision on purchase and trade-in/scrappage options?

DriveSkill · 18-10-2019 1:58pm

tw0nk wrote: »

Anyone hear anything yet regarding decision on purchase and trade-in/scrappage options?

I think its way too early - they havent even confirmed a price yet! I would expect trade-in to work as with any car purchase but would have to wait until much closer to an expected delivery date which is still probably 8 months away at least!

Shefwedfan · 18-10-2019 6:08pm

rivegauche wrote: »

VW Golf MK8 dashboard is as bland as the dashboard in the ID3.

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/2020-vw-golf-leaks-ahead-of-schedule-what-do-you-think/

The same lack of distinct buttons pervades.

VW are obviously trying to economise while hoping that addition of extra screens distracts the customer.

Not sure how you can tell that from those crappy pictures?

It looks like a "newer" version of the current dashboard which to be fair to VW they haven't had any issue flogging a few of the current range.

I have always said, some people like VW, some people don't. Based on sales the majority are in the "like" category

Third_Echelon · 18-10-2019 6:25pm

marcos_94 wrote: »

I actually quite like it. Hard to tell about the buttons from that photo but do prefer having buttons over in screen management. Also like how the dashboard is angled towards the driver

Yeah I think that MK8 interior looks quite nice!

L-M · 18-10-2019 6:43pm

tw0nk wrote: »

Anyone hear anything yet regarding decision on purchase and trade-in/scrappage options?

Pricing won’t be released until January and there won’t be any scrappage etc on them.

Will be all first edition for 2020 for pre orders only.

Will be able to pre order the more basic spec then for 2021 delivery.

kris_2021 · 18-10-2019 6:54pm

Limerick man wrote: »

Pricing won’t be released until January and there won’t be any scrappage etc on them.

Will be all first edition for 2020 for pre orders only.

Will be able to pre order the more basic spec then for 2021 delivery.

What is the source of this? My dealer told me prices will be released next month??

drunkmonkey · 26-10-2019 1:10pm

How long will it take to charge the 1st from 0 to full with the VW 11kw home charger? Does the supply coming into the house make a difference like if you have 12 or 16kv supply.

KCross · 26-10-2019 1:31pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How long will it take to charge the 1st from 0 to full with the VW 11kw home charger? Does the supply coming into the house make a difference like if you have 12 or 16kv supply.

The 11kW optional extra would require a 3-phase connection which very few domestic houses have and is costly to get. Having a single phase 16kVA connection wont help. You'd be still limited to 7kW by the car.

The on-street 22kW chargers are 3ph so you would be able to utilise the 11kW on those but not likely at home.

Whatever size the battery is just divide it by 11 is a rough estimate of how long it will take to charge from 0-100% at 11kW charge rate. In reality you'd need to add on 5-10% for charging losses.

unkel · 26-10-2019 1:32pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How long will it take to charge the 1st from 0 to full with the VW 11kw home charger? Does the supply coming into the house make a difference like if you have 12 or 16kv supply.

about 55kWh available so if it is completely empty and you have a 3 phase charger that can provide 11kW it will take 55/11 = 5 hours

Most people don't have 3 phase at home so can only charge on 7.2kW on a single phase it will take 55/7.2 = about 8 hours to fully charge

drunkmonkey · 26-10-2019 1:56pm

I don't have 3 phase at home and I was getting a new connection in a different house during the week and the chap in ESB told me go for 16kVA as it'll be handy if I ever get an EV.

It's just the VW charger is 11kw so I assumed you could make the best of it at home. I assume your standing charge goes way up if you get 3 phase.

JPA · 26-10-2019 2:00pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't have 3 phase at home and I was getting a new connection in a different house during the week and the chap in ESB told me go for 16kVA as it'll be handy if I ever get an EV.

It's just the VW charger is 11kw so I assumed you could make the best of it at home. I assume your standing charge goes way up if you get 3 phase.

3 phase is thousands to get in.

Lumen · 26-10-2019 2:00pm

I am getting absolutely blasted by ID.3 advertising on YouTube.

Like, 80% of the ads.

Anyone else?

unkel · 26-10-2019 2:02pm

Ads on YouTube?

I don't get any ads

KCross · 26-10-2019 2:50pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't have 3 phase at home and I was getting a new connection in a different house during the week and the chap in ESB told me go for 16kVA as it'll be handy if I ever get an EV.

16kVA is the right choice but it wont give you 11kW 3ph EV charging.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's just the VW charger is 11kw so I assumed you could make the best of it at home. I assume your standing charge goes way up if you get 3 phase.

I'm not sure of the exact figures but I dont think it goes up much, if any. The cost is getting it in in the first place and then wiring the house appropriately for it.

26-10-2019 3:27pm

I have 3 phase in the i3 and believe me, it's very handy and if the ESB are planning an expansion of the AC network would make sense to get if the price isn't ridiculous.

11 Kw AC means much less waiting at fast chargers , whether the are available or not to use the issue is the same, if I can plug in and go about my business and come back to a charged car or enough to get home then I don't have to worry about fast charging or have to stop on route for 30-40 mins. I would miss 11 Kw charging to be honest but, AC points are a lot busier now with all the plug ins on the road with tiny batteries means plug in drivers are addicted to chargers.

drunkmonkey · 26-10-2019 3:43pm

Lumen wrote: »

I am getting absolutely blasted by ID.3 advertising on YouTube.

Like, 80% of the ads.

Anyone else?

I was getting hit with ID ads all morning, switched to cider at around 2...I'll be in the pub at 6 if Carlsberg tempt me.
I was doing a lot of Tesla googling yesterday so that's probably it. As for the beer it probably knows I'm at work.

catharsis · 26-10-2019 4:40pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't have 3 phase at home and I was getting a new connection in a different house during the week and the chap in ESB told me go for 16kVA as it'll be handy if I ever get an EV.

It's just the VW charger is 11kw so I assumed you could make the best of it at home. I assume your standing charge goes way up if you get 3 phase.

JPA wrote: »

3 phase is thousands to get in.

I have a quote from the ESB for an upgrade to 3Phase in front of me. the actual total cost - for my house - is only €1,158.00

There is (as far as I can tell) no difference at all to standing charge. I'm having building work done so worth my while doing it for that reason, but if spending 1000 or so on an EV charger, doubling that cost could double (or more if you have a Tesla, i3 or Audi) the speed of charging

26-10-2019 5:17pm

If you have a 3 phase car 3 phase will be good but if not what is the use ? all your single phase stuff will still be handicapped by a current limit won't it ?

You may find that 2 electrics charging at 7.5 Kw would be a greater limit on single phase.

+ in reality over a 8 hr off peak charge at 7 Kw you should put back 56 Kwh to the battery, that should be more than enough over night.

VW ID.3

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