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Fueling yourself on the Trial

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  • #52
    Enduro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I don't know what your experience of MTB'ing is, i'm guessing not as much as a lot of MTB'ers on here...

    MTB Off road spins aren't like road biking, where it's possible to keep in the Aerobic zone much easier and train within a certain power band if you have a PM.


    However, MTB Offroad spins require short and longer bursts of energy into a high heart rate zone, and uses your upper body more than road biking, i.e. clearing obstacles, technical terrain, short sharp kickers up a steep hillside or single track, more drag on heavier tyres with a heavier bicycle whilst climbing means it can be very difficult to keep a low HR unless on smoother more gradual fireroads etc... If you look at the power read out of a MTB'er it's a lot like the terrain of a mountain range, plenty of peaks and dips...

    Oh FFS. You're fooling yourself. MTBing is not some uniquely arduous sport that requires you to eat more. I have competed in many MTB races over the years (never mind spins with breaks whenever anyone feels like it, or to let the group reform), and have eaten exactly nothing during the races. I've one or two category podiums to show for that, which isn't bad considering its not my first sport by a long shot (Just the most fun!), and especially not bad when apparently it should be impossible to even get around without stuffing myself.

    lgk is spot on here with the basic science. I've no problem with people thinking they have a dependency on "needing" to eat on spins. Most probably though that is a psychological need rather than a physical one.


  • #53
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Enduro wrote: »
    Oh FFS. You're fooling yourself. MTBing is not some uniquely arduous sport that requires you to eat more. .

    I expressed my opinion based on my own experiences, just like the majority of average Joe's I won't be going out for a spin without food in my stomach and back pocket.

    We can't all train ourselves over the years to be like a Camel when it comes to food, the likes of yourself who could probably survive for months on a desert Island and not crave food even once!


  • #54
    Enduro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I expressed my opinion based on my own experiences, just like the majority of average Joe's I won't be going out for a spin without food in my stomach and back pocket.

    We can't all train ourselves over the years to be like a Camel when it comes to food, the likes of yourself who could probably survive for months on a desert Island and not crave food even once!

    I'm not superman. In cycling terms I'm most definitely not! The basic science, as outlined by lgk, shows that in fact we can all train ourselves to go on a 2 hour spin at full whack without needing food. But then in reality no non-pro is likely to do a 2 hour spin at full whack, so the parameters are even more generous.

    Like I said, I don't doubt that you wouldn't go on a spin without food. It tallies with most people's experiences. It tallies with received wisdom. ITs pretty much part of cycling culture (even more so the coffee and cake stops for the roadies). What I would doubt is that you have an actually physcial need.

    The training I do is to fat burn more effectively, which pushes out the no-food boundaries to days rather than hours, but that's not relevenet here. It does still apply equally to mountain biking though. It's not a special sport in its own special energy burning category.


  • #55
    lgk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭lgk


    Lemming wrote: »
    And you've missed what he was saying.

    The experience of "going into the red" in both disciplines places different demands on the rider, with some obvious cross-over at points, so you aren't comparing like with like as there isn't really any equivalence other than you are on a bicycle.

    The experience of going into the red could only be different between road and mountain biking if somehow your internal organs were aware of which discipline you are engaged in.


  • #56
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Mods: I think we need a new thread "MTB Nutrition on the trail" :)


  • #57
    saccades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭saccades


    steamsey wrote: »

    Glad I read this thread - didn't realise a banana skin took 2 years to decompose. Good to know.

    I'm really sceptical of this fact - if we want to take anything to extremes human bodies over 1000 years old have been found that haven't decomposed (Lindow man for example).

    Banana peels do not decompose at a rate any faster or slower than other organic, green materials. The rate of decomposition is dependent upon the composting method. Otherwise there would be gazillions of banana skins at the top/bottom of slieve maan for example.

    I do agree with bringing the skin home as any litter encourages more littering, but let's use that as the reason rather than sophistry.


  • #58
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    steamsey wrote: »
    Glad I read this thread - didn't realise a banana skin took 2 years to decompose. Good to know.
    A boardsie done a timelapse on this before. I'm typical Irish weather, at a cold time of year, it took well under a month to decompose a banana. The two year thing is from an article where the weather was sub zero alot of the time.

    Look at your compost bin and see how much the stuff rots if left alone for a week.


  • #59
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭prunudo


    So lately on the trails I've been eating a lot of humble pie.
    Decided after reading various posts on this thread that I'd try not fuelling whether that be gels or regular food on my 2-3hr Sunday rides.
    Bar Carrick enduro where I took gels and their lunch I haven't taken anything bar water and occasionally a protein bar/shake post ride.

    Any times or averages that have dipped are probably more down to weather and ground conditions and my energy levels haven't seemed have to wained.

    So all in all, as someone said earlier don't believe the marketing guy that you need to buy the latest nutritional bar/gel to improve your time. Bowl of porridge in the morning will keep you going longer than you think.
    Just to add, this seems to have worked for me, not everyone might find this.

    Ps. Another thing to add is that these rides aren't overly strenous, usual with a few other lads and chats at the top or bottom of trails, if I was in training then I'd probably reassess the situation.


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