Full Ironman in cork next year

RacoonQueen · 26-05-2018 10:14pm

Is priority entry significantly cheaper or are people actually worried there'll be a mad rush for entries and they'll miss out?

Diego Murphy · 26-05-2018 10:28pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Is priority entry significantly cheaper or are people actually worried there'll be a mad rush for entries and they'll miss out?

No its not. Pricing is tiered and it moves to the next tier once one moves out. To be fair to ironman, they're very good at marketing but don't worry there will be plenty of entries available at the normal date. I do expect them to sell quickly enough because there is a huge amount of interest closer to cork in it. However even at that, it would take time for the various tiers to sell out.

coL · 28-05-2018 10:04am

Would also be interested in a priority entry link if anyone has one spare

valoren · 29-05-2018 9:59am

Drove this section of the bike course yesterday (in red just after 70 km)
Needless to say it's pot hole ridden and dangerous as it is.
It would definitely need to be resurfaced as it's covered twice.
I guess the reason the 'subject to alterations' is included on the map is to allow them change the course because it's so bad as is and they might not get the go ahead to resurface.

The course could potentially cut off the East Ferry section to allow the course to continue into (and out of) Tallow back down to Youghal on regional roads instead.

IM Course.PNG

jnk883 · 29-05-2018 10:17am

valoren wrote: »

Drove this section of the bike course yesterday (in red just after 70 km)
Needless to say it's pot hole ridden and dangerous as it is.
It would definitely need to be resurfaced as it's covered twice.
I guess the reason the 'subject to alterations' is included on the map is to allow them change the course because it's so bad as is and they might not get the go ahead to resurface.

The course could potentially cut off the East Ferry section to allow the course to continue into (and out of) Tallow back down to Youghal on regional roads instead.

IM Course.PNG

I guess they are trying to avoid going into Waterford as it would mean getting another council involved and they may not get the support due to it being Cork Ironman. The Tallow to Youghal road would be a good one to use, up and down and a couple of nice straights as well.
Of course the event will benefit Waterford as well since I'm sure many people would stay that side of Youghal as well.

Diego Murphy · 30-05-2018 10:13am

Has anyone with a tri ireland licence got a priority link? I only ordered my tri licence last week so haven't received my link yet. I'd say I just wasnt on the distribution list yet

Diego Murphy · 30-05-2018 10:45am

Diego Murphy wrote: »

Has anyone with a tri ireland licence got a priority link? I only ordered my tri licence last week so haven't received my link yet. I'd say I just wasnt on the distribution list yet

Got sorted in the end. That 8% fee puts a sting in the tail!

brickysession · 30-05-2018 11:10am

jnk883 wrote: »

I guess they are trying to avoid going into Waterford as it would mean getting another council involved and they may not get the support due to it being Cork Ironman. The Tallow to Youghal road would be a good one to use, up and down and a couple of nice straights as well.
Of course the event will benefit Waterford as well since I'm sure many people would stay that side of Youghal as well.

Cork Council were adamant at the launch that they did not want to cross the "border" into Waterford with this event but they did expect that Co. Waterford might benefit with accommodation etc.

catweazle · 30-05-2018 12:53pm

brickysession wrote: »

Cork Council were adamant at the launch that they did not want to cross the "border" into Waterford with this event but they did expect that Co. Waterford might benefit with accommodation etc.

As well off - Galway CO CO were on board with Challenge Galway a few years ago but Clare wouldn't go along with as they saw no benefit to it. Closed roads for the Galway section and open roads for the Clare section :rolleyes:

syntheticjunk · 31-05-2018 9:09pm

Tier1 entries already sold out....

dong · 31-05-2018 9:11pm

syntheticjunk wrote: »

Tier1 entries already sold out....

What does this do to the price for tier 2?

Diego Murphy · 31-05-2018 11:18pm

dong wrote: »

What does this do to the price for tier 2?

Moves the price up to 515 plus 8%.tbh commiting to an ironman creates a lot of expense during the year so getting tier 1,2 3 or 4 doesn't really make much difference. Either way it's the cheapest ironman you'll get to do, given that you don't have to travel abroad.

I'm doing it in Barcelona and that's relatively easy to get to but the costs do add up, flight, bike shipping etc.

RacoonQueen · 02-06-2018 1:43pm

Whats the accommodation availability like around Youghal? See people on Facebook trying to book a couple of nights and getting quotes of €1000+

nok2008 · 02-06-2018 3:29pm

Just did the bike route this morning in order to decide whether I would enter r not. Still undecided
. Some of the roads a real joke and borderline dangerous. Worst is the whole of the East ferry but that mainly passable but the section from dungormurney to mount uniacke is covered in pot holes and these on the downhills. Everywhere else is ok ish.
The council better get working on them.
But the hill in youghal is something else. Average 11 but when max must be around 20. At least it's good road and relatively short!!!!!

niallo32 · 02-06-2018 3:34pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Whats the accommodation availability like around Youghal? See people on Facebook trying to book a couple of nights and getting quotes of €1000+

Lots of places very reasonable in West Waterford

and still ricky villa · 02-06-2018 3:37pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Whats the accommodation availability like around Youghal? See people on Facebook trying to book a couple of nights and getting quotes of €1000+

Say what you like about Ironman but we Irish can teach them a thing or two about gouging people for a quick profit

jnk883 · 04-06-2018 8:25pm

I took a spin today up Windmill hill....WOW....I'll be going backwards :-) You'd need a tractor for the road where you turn towards Mount Uniacke but no doubt they will work on that. Its the most technical part of the course so they will have to make sure the surface is right. Its over a year away though so they have plenty of time. My thinking is though that they will leave it until after winter next year. Discourage 100s of cyclist being on it all over the summer months and then have it right for the race. Otherwise we may need a mountain bike

NewCorkLad · 05-06-2018 3:52pm

So any predictions to how quickly this could sell out or will it sell out???

Doing my first 70.3 this July down in Waterville and would like to have this under my belt before committing to the big one...

butrasgali · 05-06-2018 7:53pm

NewCorkLad wrote:

Doing my first 70.3 this July down in Waterville and would like to have this under my belt before committing to the big one...

Not much talk so far today about it..

griffin100 · 05-06-2018 8:32pm

Well there's one place less available now

RacoonQueen · 05-06-2018 9:09pm

NewCorkLad wrote: »

So any predictions to how quickly this could sell out or will it sell out???

Doing my first 70.3 this July down in Waterville and would like to have this under my belt before committing to the big one...

Depends how many slots they have. Would be mildly surprised if it sold out at all, would be very very surprised if it sold out before Christmas.

griffin100 · 05-06-2018 11:13pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Depends how many slots they have. Would be mildly surprised if it sold out at all, would be very very surprised if it sold out before Christmas.

I'd imagine it'll take a while to sell out, if at all. I only entered this early so I could pay in instalments (one instalment roughly equals a Hardman entry

).

brickysession · 06-06-2018 9:08am

griffin100 wrote: »

I'd imagine it'll take a while to sell out, if at all. I only entered this early so I could pay in instalments (one instalment roughly equals a Hardman entry ).

You could always do the Hardman as well next year Griffin100 so as not to miss out.

RacoonQueen · 06-06-2018 9:54am

griffin100 wrote: »

I'd imagine it'll take a while to sell out, if at all. I only entered this early so I could pay in instalments (one instalment roughly equals a Hardman entry ).

I was looking at Hardman there a week or so ago. They I remembered what the bike route was and swiftly closed the tab.

Grassey · 06-06-2018 10:00am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I was looking at Hardman there a week or so ago. They I remembered what the bike route was and swiftly closed the tab.

90% flat with 2 only two climbs of note???

griffin100 · 06-06-2018 11:27am

brickysession wrote: »

You could always do the Hardman as well next year Griffin100 so as not to miss out.

The only reason ive entered Cork is because it's early year and will keep me training over the Winter. All going well I fully intend to do Hardman in 2019 for the 5th time.

@ RQ the Hardman bike route is fine, about 1200m of climbing over 175kms with only 2 'big' climbs and a few drags.

brickysession · 06-06-2018 2:08pm

griffin100 wrote: »

The only reason ive entered Cork is because it's early year and will keep me training over the Winter. All going well I fully intend to do Hardman in 2019 for the 5th time.

I should have asked....are you doing the Hardman this year? If my memory serves me right, you did the Hardman in 2012 when I did it, so just curious about 2018?

griffin100 · 06-06-2018 6:45pm

brickysession wrote: »

griffin100 wrote: »

The only reason ive entered Cork is because it's early year and will keep me training over the Winter. All going well I fully intend to do Hardman in 2019 for the 5th time.

I should have asked....are you doing the Hardman this year? If my memory serves me right, you did the Hardman in 2012 when I did it, so just curious about 2018?

Not doing Hardman this year, just back running after almost a year and s half out injured so will take it easy run wise for a good while.

RacoonQueen · 06-06-2018 10:37pm

griffin100 wrote: »

@ RQ the Hardman bike route is fine, about 1200m of climbing over 175kms with only 2 'big' climbs and a few drags.

Bit short!

peter kern · 07-06-2018 11:19am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Bit short!

Im Nice is 173 k amd nobody has ever complaimed its short

I mean the only race of the ironman brand and challenge brand you can trust in distance is freankfurt they are always very upfront how long course is I think this year 175 and last year 185.
The rest... roth has never ever been 180 Austria hardly ever. Copenhagen I think has been 180 once.
The only certyfied bike course I have ever heard of in Europe used to be podersdorf
At the same time iam totally cool if hilly courses like the lost sheep are short it reflects the time of a flat course and hasless drafting advantage.

RacoonQueen · 07-06-2018 1:32pm

Ah Peter, I kid. But I'd rather it be long than 'short'. IM Italy was 185
Well so they said I didn't make it to the end so can't confirm :pac: but it was 92/93 km at half way
Assumed Hardman was hillier than that though.

griffin100 · 07-06-2018 2:00pm

The first year of Hardman they made us do a detour up a side road for 2.5km and back again to make the 180km. They haven't done this since. The ROK is what it is.

Edit - found my bike profile from 2011 - https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/110764795

peter kern · 07-06-2018 5:01pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Ah Peter, I kid. But I'd rather it be long than 'short'. IM Italy was 185
Well so they said I didn't make it to the end so can't confirm :pac: but it was 92/93 km at half way
Assumed Hardman was hillier than that though.

well if you listen to people that do the ring of kerry cycle its the most hilly bike ride in the world ( lol) the reality is that its not bad at all

and I have to say i had it hillier in memory when i had cycled it the last time (when i was 22 years old)

i know the hardman is not for everybody but its the real ironman spirit that ironman had for the first 10 or so years . and i think its the perfect antidope to the colourman race style ironman is now . and i think if anybody fancies the norseman than hardman will be just as nice and so close.

btw i do not get commision from hardman . when i re read it i wasnt so sure for a moment. and yes iam still sad tri an mhi half is gone as it was another favorite of mine. and iam not worried aobut the survival of ironman brand at the moment. but i worry that the real good races with charracter die.

Cona · 07-06-2018 6:10pm

Thinking of signing up to Cork IM for next year but money is tight a the moment. Any rough ideas as to how long I will have to enter? I am assuming it's not going to sell out this month?

Grassey · 07-06-2018 8:08pm

Cona wrote:

Thinking of signing up to Cork IM for next year but money is tight a the moment. Any rough ideas as to how long I will have to enter? I am assuming it's not going to sell out this month?

Id say you'll be grand until Christmas.

Failing that use the installment plan. â‚¬185 * 3 = $$$

butrasgali · 14-06-2018 9:01am

If anyone has done the bike route ..would they add the profile of the course on here please..thanks

butrasgali · 14-06-2018 9:01am

If anyone has done the bike route ..would they add the profile of the course on here please..thanks

nok2008 · 14-06-2018 9:19am

butrasgali wrote: »

If anyone has done the bike route ..would they add the profile of the course on here please..thanks

http://www.strava.com/routes/13789376
strava link to route.

Nugget80 · 16-06-2018 8:54pm

Hi all. I've signed up but looking for a bit of advice.

Currently focusing on Dublin marathon and then plan on focusing on this in December.

Plan is to include 2no. 2k swims and a 40. - 50km on a Saturday instead of the run in my program. I'll have my long run then on a Sunday along with the usual 3 runs during the week.

My question is when should I focus on the IM as I don't want to burn our etc.

the beerhunter · 20-06-2018 9:44am

nok2008 wrote: »

http://www.strava.com/routes/13789376
strava link to route.

nice work mapping that out, used it myself for a tilt at the lap last monday.

for any who slavishly follows their gps, worth noting the couple of presumeably accidental wrong turn/u-turn combos. and did you actually go up that rough track through a farm at monagoul??? i just stayed on the main road and rejoined a few hundred metres later.

nok2008 · 20-06-2018 3:49pm

the beerhunter wrote: »

nice work mapping that out, used it myself for a tilt at the lap last monday.

for any who slavishly follows their gps, worth noting the couple of presumeably accidental wrong turn/u-turn combos. and did you actually go up that rough track through a farm at monagoul??? i just stayed on the main road and rejoined a few hundred metres later.

Yip probable a few mistakes.its awkward enough to draw out
Was not 100% sure on roads around there so a couple of attempts made there.
If yours better u should put the link up

Kurt.Godel · 21-06-2018 11:32am

Anyone doing the Cork IM might be interested in this- Hardman are announcing a new race tomorrow I guess targeted as a warm-up race. A half distance on the sheeps head peninsula in west cork. Swim bantry bay, cycle and run on the peninsula. May 25th at 9am. First 99 entries at 99euros.

(I've no connection with either event just thought people might be interested)

jnk883 · 21-06-2018 11:54am

Kurt.Godel wrote: »

Anyone doing the Cork IM might be interested in this- Hardman are announcing a new race tomorrow I guess targeted as a warm-up race. A half distance on the sheeps head peninsula in west cork. Swim bantry bay, cycle and run on the peninsula. May 25th at 9am. First 99 entries at 99euros.

(I've no connection with either event just thought people might be interested)

Same weekend as Lough Cutra half as well. No doubt anything around Bantry will be tough, get the hiking boots on haha but hardman seem to be putting on great events, they find hills and put a race there. I'm awful at climbing on the bike so the events scare me and have yet to do any, but I hear good things.

nok2008 · 21-06-2018 12:11pm

nok2008 wrote: »

Yip probable a few mistakes.its awkward enough to draw out
Was not 100% sure on roads around there so a couple of attempts made there.
If yours better u should put the link up

got this from someone else might be better than mine
https://www.strava.com/routes/13869894

butrasgali · 22-06-2018 5:04am

I wonder will there be a weekly group cycle on the route soon..

peter kern · 22-06-2018 1:49pm

jnk883 wrote: »

Same weekend as Lough Cutra half as well. No doubt anything around Bantry will be tough, get the hiking boots on haha but hardman seem to be putting on great events, they find hills and put a race there. I'm awful at climbing on the bike so the events scare me and have yet to do any, but I hear good things.

i am not sure if thats too correct while the waterville half is hilly, both the current full and the half hardman would be easier than the dot branded counterpart ( 1200m alitmeter hardman full 1750 m cork i dont know for halfs it might be close but hardman course flows better.

they are honest courses but nothing a beginner cant do , and the full has the hills at the beginning and then for last 90 k its flat and i guess 8 times out of 10 times tailwind which actually makes for quite a pleasant ride home.

i imagine IM cork will flow nicer then IM uk but if the 1740 m elevation is correct its actually very close to IM uk and even bmc struggles to go sub 5 in uk.

jnk883 · 22-06-2018 2:38pm

peter kern wrote: »

i am not sure if thats too correct while the waterville half is hilly, both the current full and the half hardman would be easier than the dot branded counterpart ( 1200m alitmeter hardman full 1750 m cork i dont know for halfs it might be close but hardman course flows better.

they are honest courses but nothing a beginner cant do , and the full has the hills at the beginning and then for last 90 k its flat and i guess 8 times out of 10 times tailwind which actually makes for quite a pleasant ride home.

i imagine IM cork will flow nicer then IM uk but if the 1740 m elevation is correct its actually very close to IM uk and even bmc struggles to go sub 5 in uk.

Not too sure what you mean by "that is not too correct". I have talked to many people who did waterville and they have said it is the hardest they had ever done. And they are people who have full and half races around Europe done. I think it is the quality of the roads that make it feel even harder. It has about 1300m elevation

None of the hardman courses would be considered flat, which is what I was pointing out. And that is what they are going for and they are successful with that.
Ironman branded half only changed this year, before that it was flatter and I'm only giving my own opinion in that a hilly bike doesn't suit me so it would put me off signing up for Hardman/Ironman 70.3. And that is what most half distances seem to be going for now. (not just in Ireland)I don't mind hills on the run and if I could put time into the bike I'd improve but only so many hours in the day.

I know the Cork course and Windmill Hill will be torture so early in the race. The toughest section will be surely be the gradual climb from Midleton to the right turn back to Youghal. Almost 300m climbing in that 25km section, second time round it will definitely be felt.

Anyway, I haven't signed up for any, and will continue to work on the bike before I hand my money over for anything over Olympic. (I have done 2 half distances already, one hilly/one not)

valoren · 22-06-2018 4:47pm

jnk883 wrote: »

I know the Cork course and Windmill Hill will be torture so early in the race. The toughest section will be surely be the gradual climb from Midleton to the right turn back to Youghal. Almost 300m climbing in that 25km section, second time round it will definitely be felt.

Anyway, I haven't signed up for any, and will continue to work on the bike before I hand my money over for anything over Olympic. (I have done 2 half distances already, one hilly/one not)

The course is fine in terms of hills as in when you come back down there isn't very many sharp corners killing your speed as you gain the time back. The best approach would be to spin the bike route both up and down the hills i.e don't coast and take a break.

The windmill hill is very steep but you'd be fresh and fit on race day and an out of the saddle heave will get up no problem. Second time round it will hurt but it's sharp but short-ish.

zico10 · 22-06-2018 5:28pm

Nugget80 wrote: »

Hi all. I've signed up but looking for a bit of advice.

Currently focusing on Dublin marathon and then plan on focusing on this in December.

Plan is to include 2no. 2k swims and a 40. - 50km on a Saturday instead of the run in my program. I'll have my long run then on a Sunday along with the usual 3 runs during the week.

My question is when should I focus on the IM as I don't want to burn our etc.

I've signed up for DCM. Yet to sign up for the IM, but I'm only trying to think of reasons not to at this point. So more than likely, I'll be doing the very same thing.

I'm not sure where your worry of burnout is coming from, but there's plenty of time between the two races to get in top shape for both, so you shouldn't be concerned about it.

When to focus on the IM really depends on what you mean by "focus". For anything from 12-18 weeks before the race, you should be committed to consistent training and the repetitively focused sessions that go with such a training block. But you don't want to be starting that specific 12-18 week block from scratch either. After the marathon, take a 2/3 week break from structured training. Then you'll be training to train for a few months, before you beginning training to race. It's hard to say anything more specific than that without you providing more information.

peter kern · 22-06-2018 7:41pm

jnk883 wrote: »

Not too sure what you mean by "that is not too correct". I have talked to many people who did waterville and they have said it is the hardest they had ever done. And they are people who have full and half races around Europe done. I think it is the quality of the roads that make it feel even harder. It has about 1300m elevation

None of the hardman courses would be considered flat, which is what I was pointing out. And that is what they are going for and they are successful with that.
Ironman branded half only changed this year, before that it was flatter and I'm only giving my own opinion in that a hilly bike doesn't suit me so it would put me off signing up for Hardman/Ironman 70.3. And that is what most half distances seem to be going for now. (not just in Ireland)I don't mind hills on the run and if I could put time into the bike I'd improve but only so many hours in the day.

I know the Cork course and Windmill Hill will be torture so early in the race. The toughest section will be surely be the gradual climb from Midleton to the right turn back to Youghal. Almost 300m climbing in that 25km section, second time round it will definitely be felt.

Anyway, I haven't signed up for any, and will continue to work on the bike before I hand my money over for anything over Olympic. (I have done 2 half distances already, one hilly/one not)

by not too sure i mean that personally i see it differently. but i can also see where you are coming from for the half .

the full hardman is defo not hilly ( not flat either but still flatish its about the same climbing as roth which is considert very fast ,with the climbing in the hardman only in the first 90 k unlike rothe where its spread over 2 rounds)

we are totally agreed on the road conditons in irish races but still marbella barcelona Immenstad gerander and many more halfs i can think of are a good bit harder. and i would think the waterville half is by far the hardest hardman race in the series . but still non of the climbs are as tough as the ones in dublin 70.3 .

or in other words hardman half is 100% tt bike (if i rember corectly i adjusted bike positon only very little i thin i added 5 mm in spacer and put saddle a tiny bit back for waterville ) in my mind for dublin 70.3 i am not 100% sure ( i would still do it on tt bike with mix of tt and road bike position and i would change my gearing for it , someting that was not required for waterville. 39 x 23 was fine for me for dun laoghaire i might even put a 28 on.

if one could not do either hardman waterville or dun laoghaire they would be very well advised to really have a good thought about cork

and you are obviously smart about that which is good.

Full Ironman in cork next year

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