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Your Motorhome / Conversion, VRT and You.

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  • #202
    Jandira
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Jandira


    Hey guys, I have heard that you need to proof that you also have a car when you want to have a camper -- this seems ridiculous but you never know. So can anyone confirm this?

    I also don't know who the instance would be to check for this but then I do not yet understand the Irish bureaucracy yet. I have just moved here and struggling to get my camper re-registered..


  • #203
    *Kol*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭*Kol*


    Jandira wrote: »
    Hey guys, I have heard that you need to proof that you also have a car when you want to have a camper -- this seems ridiculous but you never know. So can anyone confirm this?

    I also don't know who the instance would be to check for this but then I do not yet understand the Irish bureaucracy yet. I have just moved here and struggling to get my camper re-registered..

    I didn't know about other companies but with Dolmen that is the case.


  • #204
    niloc1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    *Kol* wrote: »
    I didn't know about other companies but with Dolmen that is the case.

    That rule only applies for the special low cost camper insurance, as it assumes the camper is not the main or only vehicle and is therefore subject to less risk.

    A few years ago a friend of mine who sold his car/caravan combo and bought a camper which he also used as his day to day transport got the camper policy, from Dolmens I think, but had to pay about €600 as he didn't have a car or other vehicle as their main or daily use transport.
    Failing that it should be insured in the same way as any other vehicle.


  • #205
    spaceHopper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Jandira wrote: »
    Hey guys, I have heard that you need to proof that you also have a car when you want to have a camper -- this seems ridiculous but you never know. So can anyone confirm this?

    I also don't know who the instance would be to check for this but then I do not yet understand the Irish bureaucracy yet. I have just moved here and struggling to get my camper re-registered..

    I've German friends who have a camper as their sole vehicle, they cycle most places. They get their insurance from Dolomen for about 600 but you will have to make the case. Remember you get all kinds of chancers wanting to get cheap tax and insurance on van....

    Take photos, copy all your coucments and send them an email, explain to them you have just moved here and you have a camper.... hopefully they sort you out.


  • #206
    crabbypaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭crabbypaddy


    spaceHopper wrote: »
    I've German friends who have a camper as their sole vehicle, they cycle most places. They get their insurance from Dolomen for about 600 but you will have to make the case. Remember you get all kinds of chancers wanting to get cheap tax and insurance on van....

    Take photos, copy all your coucments and send them an email, explain to them you have just moved here and you have a camper.... hopefully they sort you out.

    Or go named driver on a friends car for the year :D


  • #207
    ianv
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭ianv


    Any body know what the situation is with reclassifying an 8 seater PSV mini bus will vrt have to be paid?

    The roof height is 1.7m will this be an issue?


  • #208
    ianv
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭ianv


    davered wrote: »
    Hi guys, is the Vrt on converting a 2005 transit 8 seat minibus to camper going to be 13.5% ,regards David
    How did you fair out converting the mini bus?


  • #209
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    ianv wrote: »
    Any body know what the situation is with reclassifying an 8 seater PSV mini bus will vrt have to be paid?

    The roof height is 1.7m will this be an issue?

    Roof height is no longer an issue as far as I know. If you want a minibus re-classified it will need to be certified by a suitably qualified individual (sqi) though


  • #210
    ianv
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭ianv


    Thanks Buford

    The van has 850k km it was previously a mini bust taxi- I have a lot of mechanical work done on it just have to start the conversion but I am not sure if I will have to pay VRT. If I have to pay vrt it might make the project a non runner. if I ring revenue will the be able to confirm?

    As far as I now both DEO centers in Clare can certify the conversion


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  • #211
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    ianv wrote: »
    Thanks Buford

    The van has 850k km it was previously a mini bust taxi- I have a lot of mechanical work done on it just have to start the conversion but I am not sure if I will have to pay VRT. If I have to pay vrt it might make the project a non runner. if I ring revenue will the be able to confirm?

    As far as I now both DEO centers in Clare can certify the conversion

    You will need to pay vrt on the van yes, which would be if my memory recalls 13.5% of what they deem to be the omsp of the vehicle. Can't remember how much it was for my van, but a look on donedeal will give you an idea. Mileage is irrelevant

    see my earlier post for more details

    edit: just re-read my own posts. €665 it cost me


  • #212
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,721 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Hey guys, just registered my camper. I sent all my docs away to Rosslare, they hit me with the VRT bill, which I paid to my local tax office. Got a receipt for the VRT payment in the post today. What now? Can I bring the receipt to the tax office or do I have to wait for a log book off somebody? Anybody know how long that takes to arrive?


  • #213
    jay f
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭jay f


    Would you mind to share what is your campervan ang how much they charge you for vrt? Thanks

    I have a nissan panel van and converting to camper by stages. I wonder how much it would cost for my vrt when its all done.


  • #214
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Hey guys, just registered my camper. I sent all my docs away to Rosslare, they hit me with the VRT bill, which I paid to my local tax office. Got a receipt for the VRT payment in the post today. What now? Can I bring the receipt to the tax office or do I have to wait for a log book off somebody? Anybody know how long that takes to arrive?

    Bring the receipt to the tax office and pay for the tax and the logbook will follow from Shannon.


  • #215
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,721 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Bring the receipt to the tax office and pay for the tax and the logbook will follow from Shannon.

    Cool. Do they need the DOE cert in the tax office?


  • #216
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Cool. Do they need the DOE cert in the tax office?

    I think they probably would like to see it. No harm bringing it anyway.


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  • #217
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Cool. Do they need the DOE cert in the tax office?

    Its not a requirement


  • #218
    DanielGibbons
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭DanielGibbons


    Hi folks,

    How does it work with converting a passenger vehicle to camper?

    Is there any more / less work to do as regards type reclassification?

    I.E. if I wanted to convert a Caravelle / Shuttle to camper.

    Thanks a million!
    Daniel


  • #219
    jsabina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭jsabina


    DanielGibbons wrote: »
    Hi folks,

    How does it work with converting a passenger vehicle to camper?

    Is there any more / less work to do as regards type reclassification?

    I.E. if I wanted to convert a Caravelle / Shuttle to camper.

    Thanks a million!
    Daniel

    intersted in the same..
    someone writes that is 500 to convert it, other 2000.. really not sure


  • #220
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    jsabina wrote: »
    intersted in the same..
    someone writes that is 500 to convert it, other 2000.. really not sure

    If you read the thread, its all explained in great detail


  • #221
    jsabina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭jsabina


    Thanks I will read it all now.. I went just through few posts and was not sure if VRT was only for importing.
    From my understanding is also for converting an Irish vehicle.
    Just seems really too expensive to me.

    I will have a look to the full thread anyway.
    Thanks


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  • #222
    peterk19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭peterk19


    Hi All tonnes of great advice in this thread been really helpful, I've just picked up a Mazda Bongo am converting it now fitting a new kitchen with smev hob but need some advice on where to go to get it passed by a SQI in north Dublin if possible?


  • #223
    n1st
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭n1st


    RE: VRT.
    How many days does it take for Revenue to come back to you with the VRT details?


  • #224
    n1st
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭n1st


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Hey guys, just registered my camper.  I sent all my docs away to Rosslare, they hit me with the VRT bill, which I paid to my local tax office.  Got a receipt for the VRT payment in the post today.  What now? Can I bring the receipt to the tax office or do I have to wait for a log book off somebody? Anybody know how long that takes to arrive?
    I have the same question? How long does it take to get the van on the road after paying the VRT and re-registering as camper?
    And legally can you drive the camper without getting the new tax disc or logbook back from motortax?


  • #225
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    n1st wrote: »
    I have the same question? How long does it take to get the van on the road after paying the VRT and re-registering as camper?
    And legally can you drive the camper without getting the new tax disc or logbook back from motortax?
    Over 4 yrs old you will need to get it doe tested and that will trigger the logbook issue. Iirc


  • #226
    n1st
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭n1st


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Over 4 yrs old you will need to get it doe tested and that will trigger the logbook issue. Iirc

    The DOE (as a panel van) is good until May 2018.


  • #227
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    n1st wrote: »
    The DOE (as a panel van) is good until May 2018.

    Change of tax class will usually need to be retested. I could be wrong but that would be my take on it.


  • #228
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,721 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    n1st wrote: »
    I have the same question? How long does it take to get the van on the road after paying the VRT and re-registering as camper?
    And legally can you drive the camper without getting the new tax disc or logbook back from motortax?

    Lucky for you I can answer this question for you by now.

    The process I followed is as follows.
    • Get the van changed over from a revenue perspective as I mentioned above.
    • Bring the VRT receipt and the engineers report (same documentation as I sent to Revenue) to the DOE centre. They were happy enough to test it as a camper with this.
    • The insurance can be sorted once the DOE is passed (they will ask for a declaration). I would be comfortable driving the van at this stage. If you have the documentation to show its been changed over recently it is likely a guard will be reasonable with you.
    • Take the DOE cert and VRT receipt to the tax office.
    • After about half an hour, the involvement of 4 different staff members and much flicking through manuals in the tax office they figured out how to change it from a commercial vehicle to a camper and gave me the tax disc.

    Hope that helps!


  • #229
    n1st
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭n1st


    Here's my experience (my van is now legal).
    Artefacts:
    • SQI Engineers Report.
    • VRT application form for Revenue with photos and Engineers report.
    • VRT Invoice.
    • VRT Receipt.
    • New Tax disk.
    • New Insurance disk.
    Process
      1. Declare your vehicle off the road withing 27days of purchase or else you are liable for arrears on road tax).
      2. Engineers Report: SQI test will be done by Inspector (you're Van-Converter should know who to contact).
      3. VRT: Get all documents, photos and forms from Van-Converter and send to Revenue for VRT review. Revenue will return a VRT Invoice.  (1 -4 weeks).
      4.     Pay VRT with Revenue and get receipt.
      5.     Where I'm not sure I think a cheque to Revenue Rosslare or possibly an NCT centre, I was lucky to get the IBAN/bank details to pay online.
      6.     Revenue in Rosslare are not contactable at all so once you apply for VRT you will have to wait.
      7.      Revenue Rosslare do the evaluation and send the VRT Invoice to local Revenue for postage to you.
      8.     If you're lucky talk to your local Revenue they maybe able to speed up the payment process by doing it over email with IBAN.
      9. Insurance: Depending on your insurer they may give you insurance without the VRT receipt. Some will give insurance with SQI Report, VRT Receipt, old logbook (new logbook is not required).
      10. Tax disk and change vehicle type: Take the VRT receipt, Engineers Report, Old Logbook, Insurance details to the tax office. The Van should now be declared on the system as a camper. The Motortax can now also be gotten (no need to declare the van off the road if I have the insurance disk).
      11. LogBook: The new Logbook will be in the post in 3 days.

      CVRT/DOE: No one seems to care about the CVRT/DOE. My van had a valid one as a panel van.


    1. #230
      WDB123
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭WDB123


      Thinking of buying a 92
      308D autotrail 5 berth from uk valued at 4K anyone have an idea what the cost to bring it in would be??


    2. #231
      oxygen
      Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭oxygen


      Hi

      Can anyone confirm is below the official requirements for a panel van conversion.
      https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/conversions/specific-vehicles.aspx

      If so, how rigid is the rule
      "It would be expected that the living accommodation space in the rear compartment would have side windows"

      Im thinking of converting a MWB Sprinter van, just wondering if I will have to install new windows in the side of it.

      thanks...


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    4. #232
      air
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭air


      Here's a camper with no windows in he rear so it would seem that it's possible, or at least was at one point to get a van classified as a camper without rear windows.
      https://www.adverts.ie/mobile-homes/cool-camper-campervan-for-quick-sale/13333650


    5. #233
      autumnalcore
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭autumnalcore


      air wrote: »
      Here's a camper with no windows in he rear so it would seem that it's possible, or at least was at one point to get a van classified as a camper without rear windows.
      https://www.adverts.ie/mobile-homes/cool-camper-campervan-for-quick-sale/13333650

      Dolmen and motorcaravan club won't cover it, stuarts mights


    6. #234
      air
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭air


      Out of interest how do the insurers assess campers prior to issuing cover?
      Do they typically request photos of the conversion?


    7. #235
      CJhaughey
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


      air wrote: »
      Out of interest how do the insurers assess campers prior to issuing cover?
      Do they typically request photos of the conversion?

      I had to provide pics of the outside and inside to Stuarts, mine is a factory built PVC.


    8. #236
      oxygen
      Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭oxygen


      Can you get it insured before its registered as a camper? i.e. how do you get it from your house to the garage to get it inspected and certified as a camper.

      I was going to cancel my car insurance, get van insurance, drive it there.
      But I want to see if there is an easier way around this if possible.


    9. #237
      Thiscouldbeit
      Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Thiscouldbeit


      @ oxygen: I think the MotorCaravan Club can sometimes arrange up to 10 days temporary cover while you get yourself sorted. You need to pass their assessment that your camper is legitimate and your intentions pure!


    10. #238
      Thiscouldbeit
      Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Thiscouldbeit


      I have a question and would welcome any clarification. I have read through the thread but can't find exactly the answer.

      I am importing a Mercedes Vito. It is registered in the UK as commercial, but it is already fully converted to a camper. I want to complete the Declaration of Conversion of a Vehicle form for the Revenue for going from an N1 to and M1. However, the form asks for receipts and invoices from the conversion, which I don't have and which maybe don't even exist anymore as the conversion was done by the previous owner several years ago in the UK.

      I think that in previous versions of the Declaration of Conversion form, the receipts and invoices were not actually asked for, but now they are..

      Has anyone found a way around this? Will revenue accept the SQI signing the form and photos as sufficient proof?

      Thanks.


    11. #239
      Buford T Justice
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


      Thiscouldbeit wrote: »
      I have a question and would welcome any clarification. I have read through the thread but can't find exactly the answer.

      I am importing a Mercedes Vito. It is registered in the UK as commercial, but it is already fully converted to a camper. I want to complete the Declaration of Conversion of a Vehicle form for the Revenue for going from an N1 to and M1. However, the form asks for receipts and invoices from the conversion, which I don't have and which maybe don't even exist anymore as the conversion was done by the previous owner several years ago in the UK.

      I think that in previous versions of the Declaration of Conversion form, the receipts and invoices were not actually asked for, but now they are..

      Has anyone found a way around this? Will revenue accept the SQI signing the form and photos as sufficient proof?

      Thanks.

      Yes, an approved SQI needs to complete an assessment of the vehicle before hand though


    12. #240
      Thiscouldbeit
      Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Thiscouldbeit


      Thanks Buford


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    14. #241
      sheener287
      Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭sheener287


      Hi All, I have read through thread and theirs some great advise. I have just purchased a 06 Opel Movano crew cab and started my conversion and have a couple of questions you might be able to help me with.

      I have declared off road within the 21 days as it had no DOE or Tax for over a year, Is this correct thing to do?

      As a crew cab it has three rear seat which I plan on using just two and moving forward a bit and re bolting down with 12mm bolts & Nylon
      lock nuts and plates, is this OK?

      I have bought smev 9222 twin hob and sink, does this cover "cooking" part required to be classed as a camper? Does the kitchen need to be bolted through floor also?

      I am fitting bunk beds transversely at the rear of the van, any special requirements there?

      Thanks for the help.
      Stephen


    15. #242
      LifeIs TooShort2
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭LifeIs TooShort2


      I'm researching to a VW Transporter Conversion and cannot figure one thing out.

      Say I purchase second hand Irish registered VW Transporter van for 20k. Then I do a 15k conversion. Is the VRT due on the change of category for the OMSP calculated including the original van price (van 20k + 15k build = VRT due on 35k) .... OR.... is the VRT charged on the OMSP minus the original van price (OMSP - 20k)?


      As a PAYE worked who is putting his already taxes savings into this project - this VRT scam will ensure that FF & FG will not getting any voting preference from me... the mafia wouldn't get a look in. Grrr.


    16. #243
      Fright
      Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭Fright


      The VRO will take in the price of the completed camper. So if you buy a van for 20k and put a 15k conversion into it then they will value the completed project at around 40.5k. (From experience they generally take the price of the van, the price of conversion and add on 15%). So the vrt would be €5,186 (13 3% of €40,500 minus the €200 already paid as a van).

      Sad I know.


    17. #244
      autumnalcore
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭autumnalcore


      OMSP has nothing to with what the van cost or what you spent on it, its what the VRO imagines its worth. I'm sure if you submit invoices saying you spent a fortune on it then it will have an inflationary effect on the OMSP though.

      If you bought the van privately and converted yourself there would be no invoices, you could then decide to upgrade it down the line :cool:


    18. #245
      Fright
      Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭Fright


      autumnalcore wrote: »
      OMSP has nothing to with what the van cost or what you spent on it, its what the VRO imagines its worth. I'm sure if you submit invoices saying you spent a fortune on it then it will have an inflationary effect on the OMSP though.

      If you bought the van privately and converted yourself there would be no invoices, you could then decide to upgrade it down the line :cool:
      I agree. You could have got the van for nothing but the VRO will still put their own value on it.


    19. #246
      AnnoyedWithRTE
      Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭AnnoyedWithRTE


      sheener287 wrote: »
      Hi All, I have read through thread and theirs some great advise. I have just purchased a 06 Opel Movano crew cab and started my conversion and have a couple of questions you might be able to help me with.

      I have declared off road within the 21 days as it had no DOE or Tax for over a year, Is this correct thing to do?

      As a crew cab it has three rear seat which I plan on using just two and moving forward a bit and re bolting down with 12mm bolts & Nylon
      lock nuts and plates, is this OK?

      I have bought smev 9222 twin hob and sink, does this cover "cooking" part required to be classed as a camper? Does the kitchen need to be bolted through floor also?

      I am fitting bunk beds transversely at the rear of the van, any special requirements there?

      Thanks for the help.
      Stephen


      How much VRT is due when you use a Crew Cab to convert to a camper. Would you be allowed to offset the VRT that was already paid on this van when it was bought which I understand is 13.5%
      So If I was to convert a 8 to 10 year old crew cab would I avoid paying VRT.


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    21. #247
      autumnalcore
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭autumnalcore


      AnnoyedWithRTE wrote: »
      How much VRT is due when you use a Crew Cab to convert to a camper. Would you be allowed to offset the VRT that was already paid on this van when it was bought which I understand is 13.5%
      So If I was to convert a 8 to 10 year old crew cab would I avoid paying VRT.

      Yes whatever vrt was paid is subtracted from vrt due, whether you pay no vrt depends on whether the OMSP of the converted van is more or less that the OMSP of the crewcab at the time the VRT was paid, which depends on when it was converted or imported, mileage, condition at the time, direction of the wind on that day etc.


    22. #248
      salad17
      Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭salad17


      Thanks for all the useful information. I have a question:

      I want to purchase a ford transit luton for conversion.

      Usually the GVW of transit lutons is 3,500 however the one I am looking at buying is rated 4,200kg. Not because it is any larger or has a bigger load space, simply because it has a stronger axle so can technically take a larger load.

      This is very frustrating as I want to be able to drive it on a car license. If I re-class it as a camper is there any way I can down grade the weight class?

      I see from page 1 you give the unladen weight before and after conversion, but this doesn't seem to affect the GVW?

      Thanks


    23. #249
      Alkers
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭Alkers


      The normal B licence covers you up to and including 3,500kg - your post says the one you're looking at is 3,500kg so you'd be ok?

      It is possible to get the vehicle down-plated:
      http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/VS_Information_Notes/Vehicle_Modifications/FAQs%20on%20Down%20rating%20or%20Up%20rating%20a%20Vehicle.pdf

      As far as I recall this can be done by the chasis no. etc and there is no need to see the actual vehicle - iirc it was about €250.
      http://www.svtech.co.uk/our-services/downplating/


    24. #250
      salad17
      Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭salad17


      Simona1986 wrote: »
      The normal B licence covers you up to and including 3,500kg - your post says the one you're looking at is 3,500kg so you'd be ok?

      It is possible to get the vehicle down-plated:
      http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/VS_Information_Notes/Vehicle_Modifications/FAQs%20on%20Down%20rating%20or%20Up%20rating%20a%20Vehicle.pdf

      As far as I recall this can be done by the chasis no. etc and there is no need to see the actual vehicle - iirc it was about €250.
      http://www.svtech.co.uk/our-services/downplating/

      Oops, that was a typo, corrected now. The one I'm looking at is 4,200kg

      Ok thanks I'll check it out. I know it's possible to do with the vehicle as it is, though everyone I spoke to implied it is extremely difficult.

      So I'm wondering if it's possible (and hopefully much easier) to just do it when I reclassify the vehicle as a camper. Hopefully without any physical modifications being necessary (such as changing it to a lower grade axle).


    25. #251
      kayleg
      Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭kayleg


      Hiya, I have been reading this post over and over again for the last few mths. It is really informative. I really want to convert a van to a camper as many campers for sale are way to expensive for the actual condition they are in...some laughable!

      Can anyone clarify if the VRT is calculated on the market value of a campervan/motorhome of a similar year or of the van as a commercial of a similar yr??

      E.g. thinking of buying something similar to a 2006 nissan primstar which is for sale privately for 1200euro


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