Second hand tractors are gone expensive

jaginsligo · 23-04-2021 8:58pm

jaginsligo wrote: »

Which one is the better buy (I'm not buying either btw)
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/same-trident-130/27711084

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-2725/27717540

Same looks good value for the hp but no idea of reliability

Sorry, posted in the wrong thread meant for the "classic tractor" thread

Suckler · 23-04-2021 10:25pm

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/massey-ferguson-390t-scoops-26-900-at-online-carlow-auction-616730

Gone expensive is one way of putting it.

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2021 9:10am

Nice tidy looking Case IH 885 for the hours it has done. Loader on it. However she has gone around the clock with 10260 hours. 9.5k a bit strong for it. 7k probably more realistic considering the hours.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-international-885-with-quicke-3260/27879257

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2021 9:24am

This says it's a Case CX 80. It an English import. What is unusual is it has the old International back end with the two PTO's. Paint work However s red on backend like the McCormick red that they used not the purple/black Case used on there CX's. the hood over the engine looks like the Case covers. Nice looking tractor only about 5 k hours and has not been painted. However just inside the LHS door is ruined from lads sitting there. Could be an LA tractor from the UK

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-cx80/27464471

josephsoap · 24-04-2021 9:26am

Would there be a hope of getting safe NH TS115 at this stage ? For about €30k you’d pick one up but a lot of them have very high hours.

With about 10k hours on the clock wounding they still be worth a punt ?

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2021 9:47am

josephsoap wrote: »

Would there be a hope of getting safe NH TS115 at this stage ? For about €30k you’d pick one up but a lot of them have very high hours.

With about 10k hours on the clock wounding they still be worth a punt ?

10k hours is not necessarily high hours on a tractor like that. As you got through the 90' most tractors changed from rated hours to clock hours. That means tractors are putting up hours even ticking over. A lot of those TS's are up on 20 years or over it. That's 500 hours a years. Fellas have a psychological barrier about 10 k hours.

It would be very hard at this stage to buy a tractor like that with sub 7-8k hours. I would prefer to but a well mined tractor with 10 k hours than a badly minded one with 8k hours. However 30 k is huge money for a tractor that age and with a bit of work done.

I know a lad that has an MX110 with nearly 20 k hours on it. It's a bit rough now but has done an inordinate amount of work. It was as never ticking over for long

_Brian · 24-04-2021 10:14am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

10k hours is not necessarily high hours on a tractor like that. As you got through the 90' most tractors changed from rated hours to clock hours. That means tractors are putting up hours even ticking over. A lot of those TS's are up on 20 years or over it. That's 500 hours a years. Fellas have a psychological barrier about 10 k hours.

It would be very hard at this stage to buy a tractor like that with sub 7-8k hours. I would prefer to but a well mined tractor with 10 k hours than a badly minded one with 8k hours. However 30 k is huge money for a tractor that age and with a bit of work done.

I know a lad that has an MX110 with nearly 20 k hours on it. It's a bit rough now but has done an inordinate amount of work. It was as never ticking over for long

I didn’t know about that change in how the hours are recorded.

It used to be hrs @ 1800rpm or some such, so now it’s just hours of engine run time ??

Our 1974DB 996 came here in about 79/80 as a wreck as it was rolled and loader twisted. Hasn’t had a tacho working since 🙄

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2021 10:25am

_Brian wrote: »

I didn’t know about that change in how the hours are recorded.

It used to be hrs @ 1800rpm or some such, so now it’s just hours of engine run time ??

Our 1974DB 996 came here in about 79/80 as a wreck as it was rolled and loader twisted. Hasn’t had a tacho working since ðŸ™„

Yes that's the way hours are recorded now. It means that Contractor type machines are probably under recording there actual hours compared to a farmer over recording his hours. It's immaterial not whether a tractor is at 2200 rev's bombing down the road or ticking over between driving stakes with your new stake driver ( that cost 2.5-3k) that drives 20-30 stakes a year an hours running is recorded as an hour on the clock

straight · 24-04-2021 10:28am

Suckler wrote: »

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/massey-ferguson-390t-scoops-26-900-at-online-carlow-auction-616730

Gone expensive is one way of putting it.

That fermec looked like ok value. Would be handy around the place

K.G. · 24-04-2021 10:30am

Hours are irrelevant really. What s important is maintenance and driving style.20k hours with the right operator is better than 5 with a poor operator

straight · 24-04-2021 12:15pm

Good value if you don't mind the hours.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/6420s-no-vat/27667159

cute geoge · 24-04-2021 4:24pm

Is the problem with most s/h nowadays the repair bill that comes with them ,like saying 10k hours is not a lot of hours for engine but what about clutch packs and pto packs .For instance a ts115 sle what hours do the clutch packs give trouble and what is the cost of this repair job

timple23 · 24-04-2021 6:11pm

josephsoap wrote: »

Would there be a hope of getting safe NH TS115 at this stage ? For about €30k you’d pick one up but a lot of them have very high hours.

With about 10k hours on the clock wounding they still be worth a punt ?

All depends on what you need it for. Will it be doing contracting work? Do you need a loader?

Get one with a dual power gearbox, less to go wrong. Will be bouncy on the road.

If you have the funds you could get a ts115a with a dual power gearbox, cab is a lot more comfortable. Shuttle is on steering column which can be handy for loader work. But a good one could be close to €40k.

Might be value in this
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ts115/27361587?campaign=14

Donald Trump · 24-04-2021 7:16pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes that's the way hours are recorded now. It means that Contractor type machines are probably under recording there actual hours compared to a farmer over recording his hours. It's immaterial not whether a tractor is at 2200 rev's bombing down the road or ticking over between driving stakes with your new stake driver ( that cost 2.5-3k) that drives 20-30 stakes a year an hours running is recorded as an hour on the clock

Yeah we've a yoke here that is about 10 years old and around 10k hours and it was never put under any pressure. Especially over the winter. It would be running for a few hours every day but mainly just ticking over feeding bales

jntsnk · 24-04-2021 8:02pm

josephsoap wrote: »

Would there be a hope of getting safe NH TS115 at this stage ? For about €30k you’d pick one up but a lot of them have very high hours.

With about 10k hours on the clock wounding they still be worth a punt ?

That’s mad prices now. I paid 21 k a good few years ago for one now without loader. 2003 reg

lab man · 24-04-2021 8:36pm

jntsnk wrote: »

That’s mad prices now. I paid 21 k a good few years ago for one now without loader. 2003 reg

I've a tm 125 here was offered 17 I for it last year I'd say I'd get 25 easy at the way things are at the moment

divillybit · 25-04-2021 3:47am

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts115/27920265

New Holland ts115
6 cylinder
Ruby front loader
Dual command
Lovely clean tractor
Low hours at 6500
600/65R38 Pirelli
540/65R28 Pirelli

25k....

Be quick if yer interested!

cute geoge · 25-04-2021 6:35am

would lads be afraid of clutch pack repairs in the likes of the one above ,how many genuine hours before the packs have to be done and are packs as expensive in the dual power models

FintanMcluskey · 25-04-2021 8:49am

cute geoge wrote: »

would lads be afraid of clutch pack repairs in the likes of the one above ,how many genuine hours before the packs have to be done and are packs as expensive in the dual power models

I fairly certain the gear controls pictured in the add are SLE or electro command and not dual command as stated in the add.

Edit: I’m not sure now, always though dual command was H pattern shift with a splitter

ml100 · 25-04-2021 9:37am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I fairly certain the gear controls pictured in the add are SLE or electro command and not dual command as stated in the add.

Edit: I’m not sure now, always though dual command was H pattern shift with a splitter

That is an sle, dual command as you said is the H pattern with high low buttons on the gear stick, I have one with 3800 hours probably worth more than when it was bought 13 years ago!

Bass Reeves · 25-04-2021 10:36am

divillybit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts115/27920265

New Holland ts115
6 cylinder
Ruby front loader
Dual command
Lovely clean tractor
Low hours at 6500
600/65R38 Pirelli
540/65R28 Pirelli

25k....

Be quick if yer interested!

And with a loader. 5K would do a lot of repairs if you have to do them

mickey1985 · 25-04-2021 1:14pm

lab man wrote: »

I've a tm 125 here was offered 17 I for it last year I'd say I'd get 25 easy at the way things are at the moment

What is driving the mad prices now for second hand tractors?

ml100 · 25-04-2021 1:16pm

mickey1985 wrote: »

What is driving the mad prices now for second hand tractors?

The price of new tractors is pulling up the secondhand prices.

maidhc · 25-04-2021 3:20pm

K.G. wrote: »

Hours are irrelevant really. What s important is maintenance and driving style.20k hours with the right operator is better than 5 with a poor operator

I still can’t understand how farmers pay huge money for tractors and then treat them like they deserve punishment. At this stage surely it is obvious that looking after a machine pays well and isn’t a waste of time like some argue it is.

tanko · 25-04-2021 3:34pm

mickey1985 wrote: »

What is driving the mad prices now for second hand tractors?

The price of tractors only seems mad now because people didn't realise how cheap they were for so long.

It's funny, people will pay thirty grand for some scrap heap of a new car that's worth feck all after seven or eight years yet seem to think paying thirty grand for a tractor which probably be worth the same money in ten years is mad.

blue5000 · 25-04-2021 4:17pm

tanko wrote: »

The price of tractors only seems mad now because people didn't realise how cheap they were for so long.

It's funny, people will pay thirty grand for some scrap heap of a new car that's worth feck all after seven or eight years yet seem to think paying thirty grand for a tractor which probably be worth the same money in ten years is mad.

But the 30 grand new car today can be bought for under 10 grand in 5 years time.

I think part of the reason is ad blue, stock farmers don't need all the bells and whistles that are on new tractors, we prefer a simpler machine, these are usually older.

Suckler · 25-04-2021 4:26pm

mickey1985 wrote: »

What is driving the mad prices now for second hand tractors?

There's a massive difference in what a 10/15/20 year old tractor today can do & comes equipped with etc.

Think of mid 90's to early 2000's what it meant to buy a 20 year old machine, wasn't much power and/or comfort in a lot of cases. Tin worm was a bigger factor as well. I know a lot around my way never saw the inside of a shed if they had a cab.

minerleague · 25-04-2021 4:34pm

blue5000 wrote: »

But the 30 grand new car today can be bought for under 10 grand in 5 years time.

I think part of the reason is ad blue, stock farmers don't need all the bells and whistles that are on new tractors, we prefer a simpler machine, these are usually older.

Is this true I wonder? Often hear farmers say " why so much new tech on new? Give me a simpler machine " but plenty options for new mechanical machines out there now and most farmer dont buy them.

Gillespy · 25-04-2021 4:48pm

I have heard people say that loads yet the twenty year old tractors they run have electric shuttle, splitter, lift, pto, 4wd and diff and more.

K.G. · 25-04-2021 4:56pm

Newer tractors dont seem to have the same power and seem to be thirstier.we have a 28 year old tractor and nothing beats it for coming back up when the revs sink down.the newer one s you just.have.to.keep the revs up cause if they go down they dont come back as easy

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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