Bobby Sands - see Mod Note in OP.

corks finest · 05-05-2020 11:47AM #1

Start of our darkest period in modern Irish history, 5/5/81
Bobby Sands
I was living in Derry at the time, attended Kevin Lynch's and Patsy O'Hara's funerals etc,
awful awful awful time

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BloodyBill · 07-05-2020 06:32PM

corks finest wrote: »

Start of our darkest period in modern Irish history, 5/5/81
Bobby Sands
I was living in Derry at the time, attended Kevin Lynch's and Patsy O'Hara's funerals etc,
awful awful awful time

Why did you attend their funerals? Did you know them.

Peregrinus · 08-05-2020 03:10AM

This is Ireland, Bill. You don't have to know someobody to attend their funeral.

corks finest · 08-05-2020 08:57AM

BloodyBill wrote: »

Why did you attend their funerals? Did you know them.

I was living there and as a committed republican at the time showed my respects to those who made the ultimate sacrifice,
And yes I was a neighbour of one,and a family friend of another, that really doesn't matter either way, you're just being a gombeen man, I shouldn't really answer someone who's just being ignorant and looking for a reaction ( Troll)
As an ordinary Irishman living amongst the carnange of the 6 counties at the time I was showing my respect for all concerned by attending end of, won't reply again.

08-05-2020 09:00AM

A rare photo of bobby sands was shared recently of his time between prison sentenaces

Is it true the brits,couldnt find a pic of him not smiling/happy for propaganda purposes??
(Or is that just a myth)

corks finest · 08-05-2020 09:06AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

This is Ireland, Bill. You don't have to know someobody to attend their funeral.

This explains a lot,one of his posts I copied and pasted,

Where does it all stop. I think it's a terrible idea to commemorate. The Kilmichael ambush is on the back and that was a piece of carnage that is still fought over by historians today. Theres Protestants in west Cork with a completely different set of memories and beliefs to the Republican ones. Are we going to commemorate their missing family members from 1920to23

corks finest · 08-05-2020 09:08AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A rare photo of bobby sands was shared recently of his time between prison sentenaces

Is it true the brits,couldnt find a pic of him not smiling/happy for propaganda purposes??
(Or is that just a myth)

Don't honestly know TBH, having spent 20 yrs in Derry as a republican it wouldn't surprise me

corks finest · 08-05-2020 09:15AM

BloodyBill wrote: »

Why did you attend their funerals? Did you know them.

Read some of your previous posts,you're anti republican very biased ,anti Crosbarry/ kilmichael/ 1981hunher strike commerations , embarrassed by your Irish roots living in Devon?
Those who died/ served their time for Irish freedom deserve to be remembered despite shauneens like yourself,
Kilmichael etc happened and you reap the benefits.

antgal23 · 08-05-2020 09:37AM

Had one or two of his poetry books, I think he wrote them in cigarette paper and they were able to smuggle it out

Very dark and very depressing but no surprise

Most southerners have no idea nor knowledge of life up north in the Troubles, it might has well have been in China

But, honestly speaking I don't care.

The Hunger Strikers should be remembered.

Bassfish · 08-05-2020 09:55AM

corks finest wrote: »

This explains a lot,one of his posts I copied and pasted,

Where does it all stop. I think it's a terrible idea to commemorate. The Kilmichael ambush is on the back and that was a piece of carnage that is still fought over by historians today. Theres Protestants in west Cork with a completely different set of memories and beliefs to the Republican ones. Are we going to commemorate their missing family members from 1920to23

Commemorating does not equal celebrating. All people's stories and perspectives should be captured and respected. Yes the ambushes were murderous bloodbaths, as were the atrocities inflicted by the tans/auxiliaries. The stories of the protestant communities in West Cork and other places have been largely forgotten but all the more reason for people to talk about what happened and raise more questions. Nothing is achieved by trying to forget these things happened.

Iscreamkone · 08-05-2020 10:02AM

corks finest wrote: »

This explains a lot,one of his posts I copied and pasted,

Where does it all stop. I think it's a terrible idea to commemorate. The Kilmichael ambush is on the back and that was a piece of carnage that is still fought over by historians today. Theres Protestants in west Cork with a completely different set of memories and beliefs to the Republican ones. Are we going to commemorate their missing family members from 1920to23

I for one will commemorate the Kilmichael ambush on 28/11/2020. The Tans got what they deserved.

corks finest · 08-05-2020 10:21AM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

I for one will commemorate the Kilmichael ambush on 28/11/2020. The Tans got what they deserved.

Same as,my grandfather spent his time in Brixton same time as Mcswiney I'm proud not ashamed of mine,our heritage,yes of course atrocities were committed by all sides , but you can't dig a ditch without getting the shovel dirty, dirty-jobs had to be done

Rows Grower · 08-05-2020 10:35AM

I'm very proud of my heritage but credit where it's due you have to hand it to the Rangers fans for the chant they would sing at the Old Firm games at the time.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 08-05-2020 10:40AM

Should this not be in the Terrorism forum?

Rows Grower · 08-05-2020 11:03AM

Selene Whining Threshold wrote: »

Should this not be in the Terrorism forum?

Never!

(all we want is dialogue).

corks finest · 08-05-2020 11:43AM

Selene Whining Threshold wrote: »

Should this not be in the Terrorism forum?

Define terrorist- Michael Collins- Che-Tom Barry-
Raf Bomber Harris
Franco
Eamonn De Valera. Etc rtc

corks finest · 08-05-2020 11:47AM

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'm very proud of my heritage but credit where it's due you have to hand it to the Rangers fans for the chant they would sing at the Old Firm games at the time.

I respect all war dead be in Irish republican or British war dead,
But what I can't understand is Irishmen ( plastic paddies mostly) who are ashamed of how we became what we are,it wasn't around a table in Dublin castle, but in ditches and country roads, street corners awaiting the enemy from Cork to Donegal and Dublin to Galway

Jim2007 · 08-05-2020 12:11PM

corks finest wrote: »

Read some of your previous posts,you're anti republican very biased ,anti Crosbarry/ kilmichael/ 1981hunher strike commerations , embarrassed by your Irish roots living in Devon?
Those who died/ served their time for Irish freedom deserve to be remembered despite shauneens like yourself,
Kilmichael etc happened and you reap the benefits.

The likes of Bobby Sands had no mandate to kill anyone and should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as the men and women of the war of independence. And before you ask, I am a Republic, one that respects the decisions of the Irish people and one that signed up in 1981 to defend the Irish State against terrorists.

You brainwashed brand of republicanism is not the only flavour in town.

antgal23 · 08-05-2020 12:33PM

Jim2007 wrote: »

The likes of Bobby Sands had no mandate to kill anyone and should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as the men and women of the war of independence. And before you ask, I am a Republic, one that respects the decisions of the Irish people and one that signed up in 1981 to defend the Irish State against terrorists.

You brainwashed brand of republicanism is not the only flavour in town.

After 50 years of being treated like third class citizens NoI Catholics asked for equal rights. The British backed Protestant / Loyalist RUC attacked this peaceful request for rights.

No human being with any dignity would stand back and let this happen.

Meanwhile, the 26 counties stood by and watched.

So, before we start branding people let's get some context first.

CrankyHaus · 08-05-2020 12:38PM

In the context of British oppression, contemporary and historic, it's difficult to imagine how the War of Independence could have been fought by the IRA with any more restraint and decency than it was. Just compare it with similar national liberation struggles in history and their all-too-common atrocities.

In the same vein the restraint shown by the nascent Irish State in overturning the old economic and social order and the enormous privileges of the Anglo-Irish ascendency was remarkable, so much so that many Republicans felt betrayed and saw it as little more than changing the colour of the post boxes from red to green. Again compare this to other post-colonial states and their (often disastrous) appropriations of property and wealth to amend the vast inequalities remaining from colonialism. It's sad that despite this a small but vocal group of hypocrites are given platforms to slander the founders of this state as vengeful sectarians.

The British public, to their credit, also had an aversion to the repressive methods employed in their name in Ireland. For instance Churchill's opponents in subsequent elections raised his responsibility for the Black and Tans to erode his support and in response his wife circulated pamphlets crediting him for the Anglo-Irish Treaty. This was when he was campaigning as a Conservative candidate for an English electorate.

antgal23 · 08-05-2020 12:57PM

I think a lot of people particularly down here miss the significance of historical events in the rise of Republicanism on the island

1916 was the result of the Fenians who in turn were greatly influenced by the The Great Hunger ( a man made event by London)

70s Republicanism in the NoI was a result of partition ( again a man made event by London)

I'm not blaming sides on what has happened here but trying to connect dots to understand people's actions

We have a shared history regardless of flag colour

Del.Monte · 08-05-2020 01:52PM

Selene Whining Threshold wrote: »

Should this not be in the Terrorism forum?

AH - It certainly doesn't belong in here.

corks finest · 08-05-2020 09:13PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

In the context of British oppression, contemporary and historic, it's difficult to imagine how the War of Independence could have been fought by the IRA with any more restraint and decency than it was. Just compare it with similar national liberation struggles in history and their all-too-common atrocities.

In the same vein the restraint shown by the nascent Irish State in overturning the old economic and social order and the enormous privileges of the Anglo-Irish ascendency was remarkable, so much so that many Republicans felt betrayed and saw it as little more than changing the colour of the post boxes from red to green. Again compare this to other post-colonial states and their (often disastrous) appropriations of property and wealth to amend the vast inequalities remaining from colonialism. It's sad that despite this a small but vocal group of hypocrites are given platforms to slander the founders of this state as vengeful sectarians.

The British public, to their credit, also had an aversion to the repressive methods employed in their name in Ireland. For instance Churchill's opponents in subsequent elections raised his responsibility for the Black and Tans to erode his support and in response his wife circulated pamphlets crediting him for the Anglo-Irish Treaty. This was when he was campaigning as a Conservative candidate for an English electorate.

Great post

not yet · 08-05-2020 09:17PM

corks finest wrote: »

Read some of your previous posts,you're anti republican very biased ,anti Crosbarry/ kilmichael/ 1981hunher strike commerations , embarrassed by your Irish roots living in Devon?
Those who died/ served their time for Irish freedom deserve to be remembered despite shauneens like yourself,
Kilmichael etc happened and you reap the benefits.

I Think your looking for the phrase that starts with west and ends with brit..:D

corks finest · 08-05-2020 09:18PM

antgal23 wrote: »

I think a lot of people particularly down here miss the significance of historical events in the rise of Republicanism on the island

1916 was the result of the Fenians who in turn were greatly influenced by the The Great Hunger ( a man made event by London)

70s Republicanism in the NoI was a result of partition ( again a man made event by London)

I'm not blaming sides on what has happened here but trying to connect dots to understand people's actions

We have a shared history regardless of flag colour

My best friend in Cork is C of
Ireland
Without dissenters/ Presbyterians we'd have had no 1798 rebellion, (maybe no fenians who knows)
My youngest is called after Kevin Barry, Bobby ( Sands) and Francis ( Hughes,)
A name i hope will always remind him and those who meet and greet him remember who he's called after.
Hes Kevin Barry Bobby Francis D***"*
So it's not a Catholic v Protestant thing at all but the writing is on the wall reference UI, it's coming

not yet · 08-05-2020 09:21PM

Little known fact, Bobby Sands wrote back home in Derry.

It makes me proud we had men like him to stand against British Imperialism.

Fuascailteoir · 08-05-2020 09:32PM

I recently saw a video of his granddaughter singing in a pub. How time flies that he would have been a grandparent at this stage. Is an interesting documentary about him prior to the troubles and the soccer team he played on which had a mixture of Catholics and Protestants. When the troubles came there was an inevitable split

That doc is on YouTube and is called old scores

corks finest · 08-05-2020 10:08PM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

I recently saw a video of his granddaughter singing in a pub. How time flies that he would have been a grandparent at this stage. Is an interesting documentary about him prior to the troubles and the soccer team he played on which had a mixture of Catholics and Protestants. When the troubles came there was an inevitable split

That doc is on YouTube and is called old scores

Saw that she sang "Grace" if I remember correctly
I never met a Protestant from Derry until I started travelling to Romania in the 90s there we worked in orphanages/ aids clinics etc drank and ate together, good for both sides of the divide, until then the only Protestant id met were cops raiding, or screws whilst visiting tbe H blocks, and Maghaberry prison

Class of 82 · 08-05-2020 10:16PM

not yet wrote: »

Little known fact, Bobby Sands wrote back home in Derry.

It makes me proud we had men like him to stand against British Imperialism.

I thought that was a well known fact. Anyone who is a fan of Christy would/should know where the song came from.

mfceiling · 08-05-2020 10:17PM

corks finest wrote: »

Start of our darkest period in modern Irish history, 5/5/81
Bobby Sands
I was living in Derry at the time, attended Kevin Lynch's and Patsy O'Hara's funerals etc,
awful awful awful time

I worked with Kevin Lynch's nephew for years. I'm from the north with a protestant father and catholic mother. No religion in our house.
He took a fair while to warm to me but we became great pals. He would have given me the shirt from his back. We never discussed politics (I've no interest) but we had loads of shared interests.

Hopefully the peace becomes stronger in the north and the youth will drive the hatred away for ever.

corks finest · 08-05-2020 10:33PM

mfceiling wrote: »

I worked with Kevin Lynch's nephew for years. I'm from the north with a protestant father and catholic mother. No religion in our house.
He took a fair while to warm to me but we became great pals. He would have given me the shirt from his back. We never discussed politics (I've no interest) but we had loads of shared interests.

Hopefully the peace becomes stronger in the north and the youth will drive the hatred away for ever.

Any normal person be they orange or green background just don't care, it was relevant in the past but thank God it's nearly gone,
You're a Dungiven man I take it? Sur, went to Romania with a few lads and one lady from there ( they've a pub in the town)

Bobby Sands - see Mod Note in OP.

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