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The Lost Sheep wrote: »Are they?
France play 2 games and England 3 but completely undermined? Im not sure.
More games is essential but is there the support for a 10 match international schedule in the ladies game every year? And while the interpros could be expanded to 6 games tours to france/england work?
Yes players need games but we could do a lot better with the club game to help players without looking at england/france for games against sides there.
The ladies AIL needs a lot of work which would be far better than looking to games in England/France and this would benefit the top players as well as the club game as a whole
They won't have played together since August and numerous players have retired. Of course it's undermined. The new team needs games.0 -
But theyve never had autumn internationals bar last year. They wont be undermined.thomond2006 wrote: »They won't have played together since August and numerous players have retired. Of course it's undermined. The new team needs games.
And in terms of national team to improve ive already stated what i think is needed...0 -
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The Lost Sheep wrote: »But theyve never had autumn internationals bar last year. They wont be undermined.
And in terms of national team to improve ive already stated what i think is needed...
But when every other nation will have AIs they will be better prepared for 6 nations leaving Ireland at a huge disadvantage0 -
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The Lost Sheep wrote: »Are they?
France play 2 games and England 3 but completely undermined? Im not sure.
More games is essential but is there the support for a 10 match international schedule in the ladies game every year? And while the interpros could be expanded to 6 games tours to france/england work?
Yes players need games but we could do a lot better with the club game to help players without looking at england/france for games against sides there.
The ladies AIL needs a lot of work which would be far better than looking to games in England/France and this would benefit the top players as well as the club game as a whole
Because there’s no point in working to develop the AIL if the national side has folded!!!!!
The u18 interpro has been successful. More girls are playing rugby now, so clubs have more players joining their women’s sides. Schools are getting involved in the “give it a try” program with local clubs. Clubs are forming and building. It will take time. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
However, if there is not a major investment and a change in mindset for the IRFU towards the international women’s team, all of it will be in vain as there won’t be a competitive women’s team.
In February we were involved in a grand slam decider and were competitive with a professional English team for 60 minutes. Last November we came close to beating England. Most of those players played in the World Cup this year.
We stuttered to a win against Japan, and lost to a Welsh team who we beat in February. As a national side, we’re moving backwards while all others are moving forward.0 -
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connemara man wrote: »But when every other nation will have AIs they will be better prepared for 6 nations leaving Ireland at a huge disadvantage
And we’ll need to qualify for the next WRWC. All other teams are progressing. We need to keep up.0 -
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Yes.The Lost Sheep wrote: »More games is essential but is there the support for a 10 match international schedule in the ladies game every year?
Yes.The Lost Sheep wrote: »And while the interpros could be expanded to 6 games tours to france/england work?
Great. Still waiting for the money that was promised to be invested in the AIL as well. We get it, the club game needs work. But we also need an international side.The Lost Sheep wrote: »Yes players need games but we could do a lot better with the club game to help players without looking at england/france for games against sides there.
The ladies AIL needs a lot of work which would be far better than looking to games in England/France and this would benefit the top players as well as the club game as a whole0 -
connemara man wrote: »But when every other nation will have AIs they will be better prepared for 6 nations leaving Ireland at a huge disadvantage
Not to mention the fact that we're supposed to be building off the reputation that a hugely successful world cup in Ireland just had.
Greatly successful occasion in UCD, after a packed out Donnybrook for the England game, and the above IRFU apologist is asking whether or not there's an appetite for international games :rolleyes:
That is the reason that girls playing for clubs across the UK and Ireland are wearing bands that say #Legacy, after Claire Molloy's comments.
It's an absolute embarrassment.0 -
The national side wont fold. The u18 interpros have been successful but when there's so few sides playing at club level it can only go so far. Having seen quite a lot of ladies rugby with siblings playing i know all too well about how well game is progressing but its the club game that really needs the improvement not complaining about the lack of autumn internationals when they are only being played for a second year ever.Because there’s no point in working to develop the AIL if the national side has folded!!!!!
The u18 interpro has been successful. More girls are playing rugby now, so clubs have more players joining their women’s sides. Schools are getting involved in the “give it a try” program with local clubs. Clubs are forming and building. It will take time. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
However, if there is not a major investment and a change in mindset for the IRFU towards the international women’s team, all of it will be in vain as there won’t be a competitive women’s team.
In February we were involved in a grand slam decider and were competitive with a professional English team for 60 minutes. Last November we came close to beating England. Most of those players played in the World Cup this year.
We stuttered to a win against Japan, and lost to a Welsh team who we beat in February. As a national side, we’re moving backwards while all others are moving forward.
And saying the international side is moving backwards. Yes the world cup was poor but new coach coming in so a lot could easily change and all others are not moving forward in comparison to us.
You sure on that? Where do the extra 5 games year on year come from?irishbucsfan wrote: »Yes.
You sure on that? Where does funding come from? There is little to no support of ladies games in general so how will this be funded?Yes.
We do have an international side who will be playing the same number of internationals a year as most of their compatriots in the other european countries. The national team will benefit much more from a stronger club base with an AIL of more than 8 clubs and its far from 8 competitive teams. As well as stronger provincial club leagues than focusing on the national team above the real base of the game.Great. Still waiting for the money that was promised to be invested in the AIL as well. We get it, the club game needs work. But we also need an international side.0 -
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Summer and Autumn internationals, if we have any ambition whatsoever.The Lost Sheep wrote: »You sure on that? Where do the extra 5 games year on year come from?
The IRFU should fund it, given how much money they've promised to invest in the women's game when they were in the limelight pre-world cup. Which is, you know, their most basic function as an NGB. Let's not get into the difference in funding between underage men and senior ladies, but its atrocious.The Lost Sheep wrote: »You sure on that? Where does funding come from? There is little to no support of ladies games in general so how will this be funded?
These are amateur teams remember. It's not like we're suggesting something truly incredibly outlandish like actually paying the girls for those games. So the cost of these games are minimal but the rewards and the exposure they would bring is massive.
The national team would benefit from the stronger club base, if there was one, AS WELL. This is not a binary problem. And when they IRFU follow through on their promise to help build the club game we might start getting somewhere. Until then the least they can do is not strip down other areas of the game.The Lost Sheep wrote: »We do have an international side who will be playing the same number of internationals a year as most of their compatriots in the other european countries. The national team will benefit much more from a stronger club base with an AIL of more than 8 clubs and its far from 8 competitive teams. As well as stronger provincial club leagues than focusing on the national team above the real base of the game.
EDIT: I'd actually say, on the topic of a provincial season, I'd much prefer an extended inter-pro championship which would be far easier to achieve and much more efficient for our national coach... If the poor IRFU could manage to extend themselves to paying for a coach to attend that many games.0 -
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The Lost Sheep wrote: »The national side wont fold. The u18 interpros have been successful but when there's so few sides playing at club level it can only go so far. Having seen quite a lot of ladies rugby with siblings playing i know all too well about how well game is progressing but its the club game that really needs the improvement not complaining about the lack of autumn internationals when they are only being played for a second year ever.
And saying the international side is moving backwards. Yes the world cup was poor but new coach coming in so a lot could easily change and all others are not moving forward in comparison to us.
You sure on that? Where do the extra 5 games year on year come from?
You sure on that? Where does funding come from? There is little to no support of ladies games in general so how will this be funded?
We do have an international side who will be playing the same number of internationals a year as most of their compatriots in the other european countries. The national team will benefit much more from a stronger club base with an AIL of more than 8 clubs and its far from 8 competitive teams. As well as stronger provincial club leagues than focusing on the national team above the real base of the game.
New coach coming in? Is that a guarantee? Will anyone actually apply for the position with such limited terms and such discontent amongst the squad?
Nobody is saying that the AIL doesn’t need work. We’re just saying that the national team needs more support from the IRFU. Quite honestly it is an embarrassment that clubs in the UK are highlighting the issue. It shouldn’t BE an issue.
You’re contradicting yourself a bit too. You say that the clubs aren’t doing enough to promote the game, yet also that the game is growing. It can’t be both! The game wouldn’t grow without input from the clubs.
I think that no matter what anyone says, you will find an argument against it. There are lots of sides to discussions, but the one thing that is common is that the IRFU have failed abysmally in their support of the national women’s side, in the same way that the FAI failed the ladies soccer team recently. I thought that the IRFU had their eureka moment a few years ago when the women travelled on an overnight train to Paris (while there were empty seats on the chartered flight carrying the men’s team), however this latest event has taken us back a few years in progressing the game.
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There is no summer test period in ladies rugby. Funding that is a major issue. You would be far better working on the strengthening the clubs and the tiers below the international game rather than jumping a few steps to improve the national side when its the levels below that that need the help so much more.irishbucsfan wrote: »Summer and Autumn internationals, if we have any ambition whatsoever.
Fund it from where? They have invested in the womens game. Only have to look at how funding for clubs and support for club teams has increased substantially in past few years. The development officers especially those in third level institutions are doing huge work in ladies game at third level where a huge number are still taking up the sport.The IRFU should fund it, given how much money they've promised to invest in the women's game when they were in the limelight pre-world cup. Which is, you know, their most basic function as an NGB. Let's not get into the difference in funding between underage men and senior ladies, but its atrocious.
An extended provincial championship is a must but the demand needs to come from the ladies themselvesEDIT: I'd actually say, on the topic of a provincial season, I'd much prefer an extended inter-pro championship which would be far easier to achieve and much more efficient for our national coach... If the poor IRFU could manage to extend themselves to paying for a coach to attend that many games.
Dont be silly so you think there wont be a coach then. :rolleyes:New coach coming in? Is that a guarantee? Will anyone actually apply for the position with such limited terms and such discontent amongst the squad?
Nobody is saying that the AIL doesn’t need work. We’re just saying that the national team needs more support from the IRFU. Quite honestly it is an embarrassment that clubs in the UK are highlighting the issue. It shouldn’t BE an issue.
You’re contradicting yourself a bit too. You say that the clubs aren’t doing enough to promote the game, yet also that the game is growing. It can’t be both! The game wouldn’t grow without input from the clubs.
I think that no matter what anyone says, you will find an argument against it. There are lots of sides to discussions, but the one thing that is common is that the IRFU have failed abysmally in their support of the national women’s side, in the same way that the FAI failed the ladies soccer team recently. I thought that the IRFU had their eureka moment a few years ago when the women travelled on an overnight train to Paris (while there were empty seats on the chartered flight carrying the men’s team), however this latest event has taken us back a few years in progressing the game.
There needs to be a legacy from the World Cup.
Im not contradicting myself. Clubs arent doing enough to promote the game but the game is growing thanks to success at national level but the clubs themselves need to go further to really help the game grow. There is a lot more adult ladies rugby teams playing than girls teams.
The union can help the clubs by sending development officers into schools and helping with "give it a try" sessions but the clubs need to be working at developing teams and helping them field/give them support. Have coaches/players involved in mens sides in club helping with teams. The IRFU, through the provinces, can send development officers into schools and work with clubs to give girls a taster in the sport but the real drive is through the clubs themselves running activities and getting more playing.
Bundee Aki is helping coach Galwegians ladies side this season. This is great. We should be seeing more from clubs helping the ladies teams in their clubs. All too often that isnt the case.
There is about 50 girls u18 teams and 33 u15 teams in the country while leinster play at 16s unlike other provinces and there is 26 teams at that age group. The union and provincial branches can help clubs by bringing rugby to schools and helping introduce the sport but it needs to be club led to keep the girls in the club and playing on to adult level or at least for a few years.0 -
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The Lost Sheep wrote: »There is no summer test period in ladies rugby. Funding that is a major issue. You would be far better working on the strengthening the clubs and the tiers below the international game rather than jumping a few steps to improve the national side when its the levels below that that need the help so much more.
Fund it from where? They have invested in the womens game. Only have to look at how funding for clubs and support for club teams has increased substantially in past few years. The development officers especially those in third level institutions are doing huge work in ladies game at third level where a huge number are still taking up the sport.
An extended provincial championship is a must but the demand needs to come from the ladies themselves
Dont be silly so you think there wont be a coach then. :rolleyes:
Im not contradicting myself. Clubs arent doing enough to promote the game but the game is growing thanks to success at national level but the clubs themselves need to go further to really help the game grow. There is a lot more adult ladies rugby teams playing than girls teams.
The union can help the clubs by sending development officers into schools and helping with "give it a try" sessions but the clubs need to be working at developing teams and helping them field/give them support. Have coaches/players involved in mens sides in club helping with teams. The IRFU, through the provinces, can send development officers into schools and work with clubs to give girls a taster in the sport but the real drive is through the clubs themselves running activities and getting more playing.
Bundee Aki is helping coach Galwegians ladies side this season. This is great. We should be seeing more from clubs helping the ladies teams in their clubs. All too often that isnt the case.
There is about 50 girls u18 teams and 33 u15 teams in the country while leinster play at 16s unlike other provinces and there is 26 teams at that age group. The union and provincial branches can help clubs by bringing rugby to schools and helping introduce the sport but it needs to be club led to keep the girls in the club and playing on to adult level or at least for a few years.
Because the girls play with the minis up to u12. More girls play rugby now than ever before, and that is very evident in colleges rugby. More and more girls arrive to College having played rugby at home. When I first started in college in 2003, nobody had played before College. When I joined another college team in 2012, a lot of them had played before. There is also a significant chunk of players who play tag and then try the real thing. A stigma still exists that girls shouldn’t play rugby. But that’s a societal issue rather than the IRFU. The game is growing and it is great to see. The AIL needs reform. Belvo beat Rock 53-0 or something today. That’s not competition. There needs to be a system in place where internationals are not all playing for the same team/club as nobody learns that way. Belvo have signed Naopau- so they now have Stapleton, Miller, Murphy and Sene in their back line. This blocks development of players behind them and it blocks development of players in the province.
Players should be distributed amongst the teams, I think. It’s probably not a popular suggestion. But having played AIL it was demoralising to play against Belvo with 8 full internationals on the pitch. There was only ever going to be one winner that day.
I’m not talking about forcing players to play in different counties but belvo, rock, railway, marys are all within an easy reach of each other. Add cym to the mix. Wanderers. They’re all south side teams. Tarf, suttonians, malahide. All within spitting distance of each other. It’s not sustainable to have all of the best players playing for just one team.
However that is a separate issue to #Legacy. In this instance the IRFU simply are not doing enough for the national side. Will there be a coach? Probably. Will it be the coach that the national side deserves? Unlikely, as serious candidates will be put off applying to join the team in its current state.
Putting a non rugby hat on. There’s a company with a workforce of 30. The morale is low. The CEO just walked away. They need someone to take the reign for a while. They offer you a part time position for 6 months to turn the company profitable again. Would you apply for thfor job? Given that morale is low in the workers, would you be willing to risk your reputation publicly if things were to go wrong?0 -
Girls only play with boys where they have to/its only option. Some clubs run girls only minis teams if theyve numbers and u12s can play u13s unlike in boys youths rugby.Because the girls play with the minis up to u12. More girls play rugby now than ever before, and that is very evident in colleges rugby. More and more girls arrive to College having played rugby at home. When I first started in college in 2003, nobody had played before College. When I joined another college team in 2012, a lot of them had played before. There is also a significant chunk of players who play tag and then try the real thing. A stigma still exists that girls shouldn’t play rugby. But that’s a societal issue rather than the IRFU. The game is growing and it is great to see. The AIL needs reform. Belvo beat Rock 53-0 or something today. That’s not competition. There needs to be a system in place where internationals are not all playing for the same team/club as nobody learns that way. Belvo have signed Naopau- so they now have Stapleton, Miller, Murphy and Sene in their back line. This blocks development of players behind them and it blocks development of players in the province.
Players should be distributed amongst the teams, I think. It’s probably not a popular suggestion. But having played AIL it was demoralising to play against Belvo with 8 full internationals on the pitch. There was only ever going to be one winner that day.
I’m not talking about forcing players to play in different counties but belvo, rock, railway, marys are all within an easy reach of each other. Add cym to the mix. Wanderers. They’re all south side teams. Tarf, suttonians, malahide. All within spitting distance of each other. It’s not sustainable to have all of the best players playing for just one team.
However that is a separate issue to #Legacy. In this instance the IRFU simply are not doing enough for the national side. Will there be a coach? Probably. Will it be the coach that the national side deserves? Unlikely, as serious candidates will be put off applying to join the team in its current state.
Putting a non rugby hat on. There’s a company with a workforce of 30. The morale is low. The CEO just walked away. They need someone to take the reign for a while. They offer you a part time position for 6 months to turn the company profitable again. Would you apply for thfor job? Given that morale is low in the workers, would you be willing to risk your reputation publicly if things were to go wrong?
I know more and more girls arrive in college having played rugby but for the vast vast majority college is where they start playing. Ive refereed a lot of colleges womens rugby including all ireland semis etc so trust me i know.
AIL does need reform but how? There used to be division 1 with several regional divisions below that with division 2 south/central/north like there was until the 14/15 season as the current set up isnt good enough to help the clubs.
How would you redistribute players from the stronger clubs? Its very hard thing to do. Shannon are trying to re start their ladies team. They started underage teams that have been quite successful and now after a season or two where their adult teams where combined with Nenagh they are fielding on their own at adult level again. All done from work put in and systems put in by the volunteers within the club realising what was needed to be done and what had to change for improvements to be seen on the pitch.0 -
Girls only play with boys where they have to/its only option. Some clubs run girls only minis teams if theyve numbers and u12s can play u13s unlike in boys youths rugby.Because the girls play with the minis up to u12. More girls play rugby now than ever before, and that is very evident in colleges rugby. More and more girls arrive to College having played rugby at home. When I first started in college in 2003, nobody had played before College. When I joined another college team in 2012, a lot of them had played before. There is also a significant chunk of players who play tag and then try the real thing. A stigma still exists that girls shouldn’t play rugby. But that’s a societal issue rather than the IRFU. The game is growing and it is great to see. The AIL needs reform. Belvo beat Rock 53-0 or something today. That’s not competition. There needs to be a system in place where internationals are not all playing for the same team/club as nobody learns that way. Belvo have signed Naopau- so they now have Stapleton, Miller, Murphy and Sene in their back line. This blocks development of players behind them and it blocks development of players in the province.
Players should be distributed amongst the teams, I think. It’s probably not a popular suggestion. But having played AIL it was demoralising to play against Belvo with 8 full internationals on the pitch. There was only ever going to be one winner that day.
I’m not talking about forcing players to play in different counties but belvo, rock, railway, marys are all within an easy reach of each other. Add cym to the mix. Wanderers. They’re all south side teams. Tarf, suttonians, malahide. All within spitting distance of each other. It’s not sustainable to have all of the best players playing for just one team.
However that is a separate issue to #Legacy. In this instance the IRFU simply are not doing enough for the national side. Will there be a coach? Probably. Will it be the coach that the national side deserves? Unlikely, as serious candidates will be put off applying to join the team in its current state.
Putting a non rugby hat on. There’s a company with a workforce of 30. The morale is low. The CEO just walked away. They need someone to take the reign for a while. They offer you a part time position for 6 months to turn the company profitable again. Would you apply for thfor job? Given that morale is low in the workers, would you be willing to risk your reputation publicly if things were to go wrong?
I know more and more girls arrive in college having played rugby but for the vast vast majority college is where they start playing. Ive refereed a lot of colleges womens rugby including all ireland semis etc so trust me i know.
AIL does need reform but how? There used to be division 1 with several regional divisions below that with division 2 south/central/north like there was until the 14/15 season as the current set up isnt good enough to help the clubs.
How would you redistribute players from the stronger clubs? Its very hard thing to do. Shannon are trying to re start their ladies team. They started underage teams that have been quite successful and now after a season or two where their adult teams where combined with Nenagh they are fielding on their own at adult level again. All done from work put in and systems put in by the volunteers within the club realising what was needed to be done and what had to change for improvements to be seen on the pitch.0 -
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The Lost Sheep wrote: »Girls only play with boys where they have to/its only option. Some clubs run girls only minis teams if theyve numbers and u12s can play u13s unlike in boys youths rugby.
I know more and more girls arrive in college having played rugby but for the vast vast majority college is where they start playing. Ive refereed a lot of colleges womens rugby including all ireland semis etc so trust me i know.
AIL does need reform but how? There used to be division 1 with several regional divisions below that with division 2 south/central/north like there was until the 14/15 season as the current set up isnt good enough to help the clubs.
How would you redistribute players from the stronger clubs? Its very hard thing to do. Shannon are trying to re start their ladies team. They started underage teams that have been quite successful and now after a season or two where their adult teams where combined with Nenagh they are fielding on their own at adult level again. All done from work put in and systems put in by the volunteers within the club realising what was needed to be done and what had to change for improvements to be seen on the pitch.
A few points:
1) The Dublin clubs - there are lots of them. Belvo have (IIRC) three teams. Railway have two. CYM have (I think) two. Marys had two. Marys struggled to field a second team so that team folded. During the international period when Belvo lose 8 players to the Ireland squad, the belvo 3rds can't play because they play for the 2nd and the 2nds play for the firsts. If Belvo only lost 2 players, the lower teams would be more competitive. I'm not sure how it could work but if a female plays for the international team, they should be on a central contract type thing, and clubs should be limited to the number of international players they have on their squad. I know it's not realistic. It's just a thought.
2) In some parts of the country it is not currently feasible to have two womens teams close geographically to each other. A few years ago Fermoy joined forces with Galbally as both teams were struggling to field. They pooled players and resources and became a decent squad. Same thing happened with Dungarvan and Youghal (I think). Similar things could be employed across the country to increase competitiveness - in the same way that the teams in Dublin could be spread out more evenly so that every team has resources and is competitive - maybe an upper limit on the number of female players that can be registered with the one club? I don't know. I'm just throwing out ideas.0 -
You're a broken record with this clubs stuff. Again, its not a binary problem.The Lost Sheep wrote: »There is no summer test period in ladies rugby. Funding that is a major issue. You would be far better working on the strengthening the clubs and the tiers below the international game rather than jumping a few steps to improve the national side when its the levels below that that need the help so much more.
That'll be news the all the clubs who have repeatedly said this week that they're waiting for leadership and funding that has been promised.The Lost Sheep wrote: »Fund it from where? They have invested in the womens game. Only have to look at how funding for clubs and support for club teams has increased substantially in past few years. The development officers especially those in third level institutions are doing huge work in ladies game at third level where a huge number are still taking up the sport.
The demand is already there. It is repeatedly ignored.The Lost Sheep wrote: »An extended provincial championship is a must but the demand needs to come from the ladies themselves0 -
I know all too well about galbally/fermoy etc. It was the same with Nenagh Ormond and Shannon two or three seasons but that combination is now Shannon with quite a few Nenagh players having transferred to Shannon.A few points:
1) The Dublin clubs - there are lots of them. Belvo have (IIRC) three teams. Railway have two. CYM have (I think) two. Marys had two. Marys struggled to field a second team so that team folded. During the international period when Belvo lose 8 players to the Ireland squad, the belvo 3rds can't play because they play for the 2nd and the 2nds play for the firsts. If Belvo only lost 2 players, the lower teams would be more competitive. I'm not sure how it could work but if a female plays for the international team, they should be on a central contract type thing, and clubs should be limited to the number of international players they have on their squad. I know it's not realistic. It's just a thought.
2) In some parts of the country it is not currently feasible to have two womens teams close geographically to each other. A few years ago Fermoy joined forces with Galbally as both teams were struggling to field. They pooled players and resources and became a decent squad. Same thing happened with Dungarvan and Youghal (I think). Similar things could be employed across the country to increase competitiveness - in the same way that the teams in Dublin could be spread out more evenly so that every team has resources and is competitive - maybe an upper limit on the number of female players that can be registered with the one club? I don't know. I'm just throwing out ideas.
Yes this could happen more but clubs need to bite bullet earlier and say they wont be fielding on their own and again is limiting a club with the numbers to play the right idea? If they have such big numbers field a second and third team not make ladies move club to play
Its very much up to the provincial ladies competitions committee and the clubs themselves to look at combining to ensure teams are fielded and ladies get games. Can be quite difficult for any branch/province to force clubs to combine. It has to be club led.
But Belvo losing players is natural if theyve a lot of internationals. Moving their best players isnt necessarily going to be better for the game and thirds not playing as players have moved up to seconds because better players from seconds are playing firsts is how clubs ladder system is meant to work. Thats the perfect set up. That in no way is an issue.
Central contract if playing internationally works well with professional game. Cant say same about an amatuer sport. Look at Crossmaglen in Armagh Gaelic football. Theyve won every senior gaelic title in Armagh since 1996 bar 99 and the last two years. Should they have been forced to lose players because they were successful? Hell no.
By investing at domestic level we can build a sustainable model to support the growth of the game at elite level.
The club competition should expand the playing pool of players available for international selection which will enable us to compete on all fronts at the highest level. For the national side to improve its the levels below the international game that need the biggest work not strictly the international game even with the f*** up of the world cup and whats happened since.0 -
The Lost Sheep wrote: »There is no summer test period in ladies rugby. Funding that is a major issue. You would be far better working on the strengthening the clubs and the tiers below the international game rather than jumping a few steps to improve the national side when its the levels below that that need the help so much more.
All levels need support.
To me the women's rugby world cup created a buzz which should be harnessed to help the future of the game. Successful internationals are great at creating activity and interest in the sport.
If the women have a good six nationsnit will feed into more players as the media will portray a successful womens team as showing that rugby is a sport for girls.0 -
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »All levels need support.
To me the women's rugby world cup created a buzz which should be harnessed to help the future of the game. Successful internationals are great at creating activity and interest in the sport.
If the women have a good six nationsnit will feed into more players as the media will portray a successful womens team as showing that rugby is a sport for girls.
Absolutely, the increased interest in the women's game following the grand slam is a great example.
They're still capable of winning that competition with the right coaching in place, they were close to a grand slam this year despite having severe issues with the coaching.0 -
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https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/922882746070044678
Su Carty to co-chair steering group.
A step in a new direction.0 -
Sounds like a fluffy committee that’ll create a nice wee report.
Still no full time coach?0 -
Not necessarily. Susan Carty as well as being one of the best female refs in country has been working with World Rugby as their Womens Development Manager for nearly a decade so don't necessarily see it like you're suggesting.Sounds like a fluffy committee that’ll create a nice wee report.
Still no full time coach?
No full time coach announced but this could easily see it implemented but again there is far bigger issues in ladies game than issues with the main adult national side. Its all levels below that0 -
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Sounds like a fluffy committee that’ll create a nice wee report.
Still no full time coach?
Su has sat on every committee to do with women’s rugby in Ireland. She was the chair of the iwrfu when I sat on it. She may look angelic, but women’s rugby is her passion and this past few months won’t have sat well with her. She knows the direction that the sport needs to go and I can’t think of anyone better in the current setup to do it.0
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