Proposed/Recently Refused Infill Developments in Dalkey

Kingp35 · 07-08-2019 3:22pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

So, allowing it to stagnate and become more cut off is what is right for it?

What are the benefits of being more cut off and isolated?

All this serves to do is make Dalkey more car dependent.

How does that make any sense?

I would like to see new life breathed into the area instead. Also, what do you mean by sustainable?

I am utterly amazed that you grew up in Dalkey if you believe the above. The reason I and most people who grew up in Dalkey love it so much is BECAUSE it is cut off. It is completely unique in that it's a Dublin suburb that still feels like it's own isolated community with no through road and it's all the better for it. When people ask me about the Dalkey the first thing I say is it's a unique town in that if you drive to Dalkey it's because you are visiting Dalkey and not to drive through it.

I have no idea how you think it's stagnating, it's thriving, particularly with all the festivals. If any of your hare-brained ideas get even close to being approved, I would be the first in line to protest them despite the fact I don't live in Dalkey anymore. Madness.

patrickbrophy18 · 08-08-2019 9:07pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

I am utterly amazed that you grew up in Dalkey if you believe the above.

So, you're amazed that I grew up in Dalkey because I don't perpetuate the snobbish, divisive and identity politics driven attitude of others.

Kingp35 wrote: »

The reason I and most people who grew up in Dalkey love it so much is BECAUSE it is cut off.

Again, divisive! How is that good for the rest of the potential footfall?
Also, how is this good for business?
What message does this convey?

Kingp35 wrote: »

It is completely unique in that it's a Dublin suburb that still feels like it's own isolated community with no through road and it's all the better for it.

Let's run down a list of what Dalkey has and has not compared with other suburbs:

Dalkey Has:

Nice-houses like loads of others in Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire, Bray and many more.
The DART which I amn't disputing is a brilliant transport mode.
Sea views which, again, is the same situation in Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire, Bray etc.
An island off it which IS unique and which wouldn't be affected by any proposals I would have.
A hill shared with neighbouring Killiney which again would be largely unaffected by any of my proposals. Technically, there is Dalkey and Killiney Hills which are conjoined at car-park level. Having said that, it isn't dissimilar to Bray Head.
A beautiful village feel of similar caliber to that of Blackrock Village.
Beautiful walk-ways.

Dalkey Does Not Have:

Decent roads and are, in fact, dangerous in parts due to their narrow nature. Many of them lack pedestrian paths in large parts because provision of such would encroach on the already narrow carriageways.
The rather sparse bus provision coupled with their poor permeability (crippled by the narrow roads mentioned above) doesn't lend itself to people in the area willing to switch modes away from the car (a must for a suburb in my opinion).
Closely tied in with the previoius point, cycle infrastructure provision is next to impossible without narrowing the already narrow roads.
Some solutions which I have proposed for the aforementioned short-comings are more one-way systems where widening would be destructive (this was slated by Larbre34 because it wouldn't revolve around people and places which I think is the mind-set of someone who is high-maintenance).

In any case, it isn't incredibly unique as it has a mix of traits common to many other areas, both nationwide and worldwide.

Kingp35 wrote: »

When people ask me about the Dalkey the first thing I say is it's a unique town in that if you drive to Dalkey it's because you are visiting Dalkey and not to drive through it.

You are actually confirming one of my qualms that the only attractive way of accessing Dalkey is by car and bicycle (if you are reasonably fit).

Also, the reason for my proposals of a through-road is more for the benefit of buses and bicycles so that it is on the way instead of out of the way.

Kingp35 wrote: »

I have no idea how you think it's stagnating, it's thriving, particularly with all the festivals.

Yes, the festivals are great craic and brilliant attractors of footfall. However, what about the rest of the year?

With the exception of Extra-vision (now gone) and Chartbusters (once upon a time), I found Dalkey very bland during my childhood and teenage years.

Kingp35 wrote: »

If any of your hare-brained ideas get even close to being approved, I would be the first in line to protest them despite the fact I don't live in Dalkey anymore. Madness.

While I have a very thick skin personally, many posters would feel ganged up on with the amount of hostility displayed by yourself, ted1 and Larbre34 over the past few posts alone.

I consider myself a very ambitious person and a reasonable one at that. However, I see the toxic reaction to it as a remnant of the parochial state that we once were. It's also a reminder of how suffocating this country can be when anything remotely ambitious or outside the box is even mentioned or proposed.

Finally, the proposal I made when I bumped up this thread is not an official one by any means and is a personal one which I made a project out of.

ted1 · 08-08-2019 9:56pm

Your missing lots, it’s old buildings, it’s heritage., it’s retail mix, owner operator shops. Lack of generic high street stores. It’s atmosphere, sporting facilities Rock climbing , kayaking , fishing , sea swimming, great scenery for cycling, old stone walls narrow one way streets with big trees , sea views, etc

Basically you don’t understand what separates it from soulless out of town generic developments. Once again move elsewhere Dalkey doesn’t suit you..

What do you think of Howth, Malahide , rush or donabate ?

Your plans are not ambitious, they are simply ridiculous and achieve nothing.

As for hostile ? I’d say your posts are more hostile. We are Simply pointing out how ridiculous your plans are. I’m a engineer don’t try to imply that your plans are ambitious and everyone is holding you back

As for bland try any of the other suburbs.

Cyrus · 08-08-2019 10:52pm

Comparing Dalkey town to BlackRock town is chalk and cheese as is comparing the calibre of the sea views in both locations

Kingp35 · 09-08-2019 8:21am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

While I have a very thick skin personally, many posters would feel ganged up on with the amount of hostility displayed by yourself, ted1 and Larbre34 over the past few posts alone.

I'm sorry you feel that way, it wasn't my intention to gang up on you. However I categorically disagree with everything you have said regarding Dalkey, particularly as a place to grow up as a teenager.

I played sport with Cuala and Dalkey United, I was in Dalkey Scouts, I did rowing with the Dalkey rowing club, I went swimming in coliemore harbour, I went to the Dalkey youth club and played snooker and pool, I went rock climbing in Dalkey quarry, I went to Killiney beach, I went underage drinking with my mates, all of whom are still my mates to this day because Dalkey has such a small community feel.

My family still live in Dalkey so I'm there a lot, it does not need a through road.

patrickbrophy18 · 09-08-2019 11:19am

I don't mind people saying that they disagree with everything I say about Dalkey. The method and way some posters have criticised me is very condescending as though I don't know what I am talking about. I also think many of them are deliberately choosing to misunderstand them to derail the thread.

Anyway, I was merely saying that in light of many housing developments in the area getting the go ahead that more roads in the area need to be improved either by making them one-way, widening where it wouldn't harm the character or a mixture of the two.

Now, maybe the proposal I made was a tad ambitious for the area given that some of the demographics here are already feeling violated by them.

ted1 · 13-08-2019 11:27am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Now, maybe the proposal I made was a tad ambitious for the area given that some of the demographics here are already feeling violated by them.

No they were not ambitious, they are just not suitable, required or wanted.

patrickbrophy18 · 13-08-2019 11:27pm

ted1 wrote: »

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Now, maybe the proposal I made was a tad ambitious for the area given that some of the demographics here are already feeling violated by them.

No they were not ambitious, they are just not suitable, required or wanted.

Right. So, either you clearly don't know the meaning of the word ambitious or your idea and my idea of the concept are different:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ambitious

In any case, it appears to be open to interpretation given your relentless condescending attitude. Then again, I don't know why I am trying to prove myself here. We'll leave it there.

ted1 · 14-08-2019 8:56am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Right. So, either you clearly don't know the meaning of the word ambitious or your idea and my idea of the concept are different:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ambitious

In any case, it appears to be open to interpretation given your relentless condescending attitude. Then again, I don't know why I am trying to prove myself here. We'll leave it there.

I know what it means. But your plans are more daft or indeed notions of grandeur, while bordering on narcissistic.

TheW1zard · 14-08-2019 9:09am

That new pottery road is the most awful, desolate, no character, baron wasteground of a place. I had to walk up it the other day and I was depressed. If that's the future Id rather see Dalkey become a one way system of some kind and introduce cycle lanes and parking that way.
Up the Malachy ;-)

patrickbrophy18 · 14-08-2019 11:49pm

ted1 wrote: »

I know what it means. But your plans are more daft or indeed notions of grandeur, while bordering on narcissistic.

That's an improvement as I think our country should push for more grandeur and greatness if recent predictions of post-Brexit economic down are anything to go by. Then again, I am very right-wing as I firmly believe in free market capitalism.

As someone who wants to see Dalkey become more accessible for the general population as well as the local populace, narcissistic is the complete opposite.
On the other hand, the people who try to keep it to themselves because doing otherwise diminishes their sense of importance are indeed narcissistic.

TheW1zard wrote: »

That new pottery road is the most awful, desolate, no character, baron wasteground of a place. I had to walk up it the other day and I was depressed. If that's the future Id rather see Dalkey become a one way system of some kind and introduce cycle lanes and parking that way.
Up the Malachy ;-)

So, you're saying you preferred this to this?

In its previous state, the road was completely unsuitable for suburban use.

Now, I have always thought that if the council don't eventually carry out road widening in Dalkey, a mass one-way system would be a non-destructive solution.

So, I am with you on that one.

Cyrus · 15-08-2019 9:39am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

As someone who wants to see Dalkey become more accessible for the general population

why? one of dalkeys USPs is that unlike its northside cousins howth and malahide is that it doesnt attract 1000s of local tourists every weekend, best kept that way imo

ted1 · 15-08-2019 9:57am

Cyrus wrote: »

why? one of dalkeys USPs is that unlike its northside cousins howth and malahide is that it doesnt attract 1000s of local tourists every weekend, best kept that way imo

The DART makes it very accessible.

Cyrus · 15-08-2019 10:04am

id advocate a residents pass or approved visitors permit to disembark if i had my way

Awaaf · 15-08-2019 10:23am

For the record I am ignoring anyone on here who doesn't sign off with either UTM or MTT!

MTT

PS As a Dalkey refugee living in the squalor of a place all too well accessible from all sides by road and just back from my hols in the village (<ducks> - only joking!) I say leave well enough alone.

ted1 · 15-08-2019 10:27am

Awaaf wrote: »

For the record I am ignoring anyone on here who doesn't sign off with either UTM or MTT!

MTT

PS As a Dalkey refugee living in the squalor of a place all too well accessible from all sides by road and just back from my hols in the village (<ducks> - only joking!) I say leave well enough alone.

Village!!! talk about throwing the cat in among the pigeons.

Cyrus · 15-08-2019 10:31am

ted1 wrote: »

Village!!! talk about throwing the cat in among the pigeons.

that old chesnut jaysus

keeps the facebook forum alive, all the people who left decades ago pouring scorn on anyone who refers to dalkey as a village :P

has a townhall you know

Awaaf · 15-08-2019 10:32am

ted1 wrote: »

Village!!! talk about throwing the cat in among the pigeons.

No ducks, cats or pigeons were harmed in the writing of my previous post.

MTT

Edgware · 15-08-2019 6:53pm

ted1 wrote: »

The DART makes it very accessible.

Could we get armed guards to check peoples P60s at. Glasthule to ensure they have the corect level of income to mix with the Dalkey people?
Of course we will still have to sort out the G.A.A. scruff in Cuala who are impacting on property prices

ted1 · 15-08-2019 7:05pm

Edgware wrote: »

Could we get armed guards to check peoples P60s at. Glasthule to ensure they have the corect level of income to mix with the Dalkey people?
Of course we will still have to sort out the G.A.A. scruff in Cuala who are impacting on property prices

I’m more worried about Dalkey United and the Pikey Sport.

crushproof · 18-08-2019 12:37pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

A tad dramatic on my part, I know!

As an ordinary consumer of the suburban environment, I can tell you first hand how frustrating it was to get anywhere in my teens and early 20s without a car. For example, while I was working for Dunnes Stores in Cornelscourt, I found it intensely annoying relying on the 59 which came every 45 minutes. On occasion, I would miss it if it left 10 minutes earlier than the posted time. Once, I had to get a taxi as a result of this forcing me to fork up a considerable sum of my earnings given the part time nature of the work.:mad:

Next up, while I was working for IBM in Damastown, the situation was far worse. However, it was the length of time rather than the frequency of routes which made getting there sole destroying. DCU was the only manageable one given that the timetable wasn't so stringent.

Surely in your teens and early 20s it would have been easy to cycle to work? I'd hazard a guess and say that Dalkey to Cornelscourt would have been 25 mins or so on the bike and probably less on the way back. I can't understand why this wouldn't have been an option.

In regards to the overall idea, I think you've spent too much time on Sim City or Cities skylines. Hare brained ideas that would get no where in the planning process. If you want to live in an accessible area with related infrastructure look to moving to a purpose built place like Adamstown. Dalkey isn't going to be radically altered to suit your own needs.

Marcusm · 18-08-2019 9:43pm

Cyrus wrote: »

id advocate a residents pass or approved visitors permit to disembark if i had my way

But not for nearby residents who have offstreet parking available to them!

patrickbrophy18 · 19-08-2019 3:43pm

Crushproof, towns such Blackrock and Shankill aren't exactly purpose built areas and yet, they still tick all the right boxes.

Also, you're saying that Dalkey should only remain accessible by car and bike?

The DART only goes north and south and not east or west.

Nothing even remotely great (by international standards) gets passed the planning process due to the short-sighted, risk averse and simple minded nature of many of our councillors and population. Our multi-layered political system is no big help either.

Cyrus, Malahide and Howth are precisely what Dalkey should strive to be more like.

But, alas, the fossils and NIMBYs have the floor.

Cyrus · 19-08-2019 3:46pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Crushproof, towns such Blackrock and Shankill aren't exactly purpose built areas and yet, they still tick all the right boxes.

Also, you're saying that Dalkey should only remain accessible by car and bike?

The DART only goes north and south and not east or west.

Nothing even remotely great (by international standards) gets passed the planning process due to the short-sighted, risk averse and simple minded nature of many of our councillors and population. Our multi-layered political system is no big help either.

Cyrus, Malahide and Howth are precisely what Dalkey should strive to be more like.

But, alas, the fossils and NIMBYs have the floor.

blackrock has been all but ruined, i lived there for 12 years and loved it and was reluctant about moving further south, but i am very glad i did now.

howth is what dalkey should strive to be like? the traffic is a shambles out there and they have serious ASB issues at the weekends from their neighbours.

Have a look at the houses over 1m, there is a big difference in how far your money will go in howth v dalkey, dalkey is more desirable for a reason, many of which you want to get rid of.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-08-2019 3:57pm

ASB in howth is rare enough and generally dealt with.

ted1 · 19-08-2019 6:01pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Crushproof, towns such Blackrock and Shankill aren't exactly purpose built areas and yet, they still tick all the right boxes.

Also, you're saying that Dalkey should only remain accessible by car and bike?

The DART only goes north and south and not east or west.

Nothing even remotely great (by international standards) gets passed the planning process due to the short-sighted, risk averse and simple minded nature of many of our councillors and population. Our multi-layered political system is no big help either.

Cyrus, Malahide and Howth are precisely what Dalkey should strive to be more like.

But, alas, the fossils and NIMBYs have the floor.

Dalkey is on the east coast, there is no east. So your issue is with access to the west. That’s easy park near a dart station and get the dart or a bus.

So we have Car, Rail and Bike. You could include boat in accessibility. Other than those three what’s left ?

What great international project has being refused?

patrickbrophy18 · 21-08-2019 9:02pm

Cyrus wrote: »

blackrock has been all but ruined, i lived there for 12 years and loved it and was reluctant about moving further south, but i am very glad i did now.

In what way was Blackrock ruined?

Having said (or rather asked) that, I do think Blackrock could be smartened up in many parts where it has gotten grubby looking. I don't think that the transport system within Blackrock had anything to do with its ruination though.

Cyrus wrote: »

howth is what dalkey should strive to be like? the traffic is a shambles out there and they have serious ASB issues at the weekends from their neighbours.

Unfortunately, our lenient law enforcement is the culprit in ASB issues. As someone who is right-wing, I think a zero tolerance approach to law enforcement is what is needed.

Cyrus wrote: »

Have a look at the houses over 1m, there is a big difference in how far your money will go in howth v dalkey, dalkey is more desirable for a reason, many of which you want to get rid of.

By keeping or making places awkward to get to or keeping them to the locals, you indirectly encourage people from those areas to use the car. It also encourages those visiting these areas to use the car as well. Yes, shorter trips are completely doable by bike.

Moreover, building exclusivity into the price of property or using it to over-inflate property prices is non-sensical. It serves to glamorise living away from well connected areas by creating an ivory tower type mentality. Narcissism is one of many deplorable by-products of this.

No suburb should be exempt from being made accessible by ALL modes of transport. Other-wise, it exacerbates the disjointed nature of Dublins overall public transport system.

ted1 wrote: »

Dalkey is on the east coast, there is no east. So your issue is with access to the west.

Noted as there is only coast to the east of Dalkey. I'll give you that.

Bar the car and bicycle, the offering for west bound transport is extremely poor. This is further compounded by the lack of permeability for any other mode of transport. Transfers at Blackrock and Dun Laoghaire only add time to these journeys given the issues I've discussed in other threads.

ted1 wrote: »

That’s easy park near a dart station and get the dart or a bus.

Ultimately, we shouldn't need to park and ride in Dalkey never-mind anywhere else in Dublin. But, that is a pipe-dream given how badly planned Dublin is.

ted1 wrote: »

So we have Car, Rail and Bike. You could include boat in accessibility. Other than those three what’s left?

You're right about boats in that they are heavily under-utilised as a means of getting around Dublin. If there were better berthing facilities in Coliemore and Bulloch as well as new ones in Sandycove, Blackrock and Sandymount Strand, there could be a cruising tour between these and those on the north-side. Again, outside the box thinking.

Bar Ulverton, Hyde and to a lesser extent, Barnhill Road, any other way into Dalkey by bus is non-existent without horrendous detours. Cars and bikes can get around no bother. However, the roads are unsafely narrow for these two modes alone to get about without encroaching on each other.

ted1 wrote: »

What great international project has being refused?

I was making a general statement about the planning process in this country. Metro, High-rise and more recently, Bus Connects can't even get anywhere with out being heavily watered down.

Finally, if the proposed New Parish Centre in Dalkey gets the go-ahead, I fear that the same mistake that was made by the building of Dalkey Mews will be made again. Enough parish pump politics and more joint up thinking.

ted1 · 22-08-2019 2:41pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

I was making a general statement about the planning process in this country. Metro, High-rise and more recently, Bus Connects can't even get anywhere with out being heavily watered down.

Bus connect is a joke, it’s very badly thought out. I’ve seen where they did similar in London and it destroyed villages. Made them just into streets.

As for cutting down the old trees lining the roads. That’s just wrong. They need to build a metro instead and discourage people from using single occupancy cars. That’ll de much more than bus connect.

L1011 · 22-08-2019 2:46pm

One metro line is not going to replace the requirement for BusConnects.

London has not done anything similar. Some older standard bus lanes and poorly planned "cycle superhighways" is not similar.

ted1 · 22-08-2019 2:57pm

L1011 wrote: »

One metro line is not going to replace the requirement for BusConnects.

London has not done anything similar. Some older standard bus lanes and poorly planned "cycle superhighways" is not similar.

Who ever said 1 metro line. We got 60+ bn for the banks fairly easy. Surly we could borrow several billion for infrastructure that last over 150 years..

Parts of London have done similar. Widening the streets, cutting down trees. taking gardens and putting a bus lane each direction. Who mentioned Cycle superhighways?

L1011 · 22-08-2019 7:54pm

ted1 wrote: »

Who ever said 1 metro line. We got 60+ bn for the banks fairly easy. Surly we could borrow several billion for infrastructure that last over 150 years..

Parts of London have done similar. Widening the streets, cutting down trees. taking gardens and putting a bus lane each direction. Who mentioned Cycle superhighways?

One is all there is a planning process for. Even a second line would have a ten to fifteen year leadtime. Bus Connects will be done and the impacts forgotten by then

If you want to keep the streets the same width and save trees, you can remove the cars instead. Somethings going and its not the buses.

ted1 · 22-08-2019 10:53pm

L1011 wrote: »

One is all there is a planning process for. Even a second line would have a ten to fifteen year leadtime. Bus Connects will be done and the impacts forgotten by then

If you want to keep the streets the same width and save trees, you can remove the cars instead. Somethings going and its not the buses.

They could plan for more than one, removing cars especially single occupancy is key

The impacts of bus connect won’t be forgotten. They will be no nice tree lined avenues, the two sides of villages will be separated and fundamentally changed.

7 minutes is all the bray to town bus connect route will save!!! Get the cars of the road. Introduce school busses , get kids to cycle. Promote working remotely from home incentives. Perhaps build regional shared office space where people could work from.

L1011 · 23-08-2019 1:19pm

You're going to need the road space for those extra buses. It's a choice between cars or trees, not buses or trees.

Multiple areas have worked on redesigns that remove cars and keep the trees. Cars are as alien to a "village" as buses if you must try use such emotive language to refer to suburbs

patrickbrophy18 · 03-06-2020 11:49pm

I might as well bump this thread in light of the fact that 2 developments at Charleville and Castlepark School.

The latter development has already been given the go ahead by ABP while the former is still waiting on a planning decision.

Collectively, both developments will result in an additional 206 residential units.

Personally, I like the look of both of them.

A further 36 residential units (13 houses and 26 apartments) have been granted permission with conditions. Again, I've seen the proposal and I do like it.

Now, I'll leave the infrastructure out of it for the moment for fear of being slated again.

04-06-2020 8:33am

ABP would be mad to let Charleville go ahead. Harbour Road couldn’t cope with the additional traffic and it would make the road a lot more dangerous for the pupils if the two primary schools within 200 metres.

Cyrus · 04-06-2020 10:34am

Aegir wrote: »

ABP would be mad to let Charleville go ahead. Harbour Road couldn’t cope with the additional traffic and it would make the road a lot more dangerous for the pupils if the two primary schools within 200 metres.

isnt the traffice concern generally over played?

i live in dalkey manor on killiney road, all of the objections raised made reference to an increase in traffic on the road, and its made next to no difference that i can see.

my kids goto the school, id imagine the cars parking for the school run will be a bigger issue for the residents than vice versa.

although i shudder to think what the construction phase will be like.

TheW1zard · 04-06-2020 10:51am

Cyrus wrote: »

isnt the traffice concern generally over played?

i live in dalkey manor on killiney road, all of the objections raised made reference to an increase in traffic on the road, and its made next to no difference that i can see.

my kids goto the school, id imagine the cars parking for the school run will be a bigger issue for the residents than vice versa.

although i shudder to think what the construction phase will be like.

I don't think its over played. The whole discussion around Dalkey going one way or having a pedestrian zone while not practical (or wanted by the residents) is needed in the long term. Dalkey is a nightmare to drive through!
Making it one way or no traffic at all might not help but if more developments are built it will only get worse I think.
You're spared a lot of that as your road is a good link to N11/Dunlaoghaire etc.

The bottom of Sorrento / Vico and Coliemore Rd come impassable on a sunny day, the comment of 18th infrastructure is very true there.

Maybe Dalkey should only be for locals

:pac:

Cyrus · 04-06-2020 11:19am

TheW1zard wrote: »

I don't think its over played. The whole discussion around Dalkey going one way or having a pedestrian zone while not practical (or wanted by the residents) is needed in the long term. Dalkey is a nightmare to drive through!
Making it one way or no traffic at all might not help but if more developments are built it will only get worse I think.
You're spared a lot of that as your road is a good link to N11/Dunlaoghaire etc.

The bottom of Sorrento / Vico and Coliemore Rd come impassable on a sunny day, the comment of 18th infrastructure is very true there.

Maybe Dalkey should only be for locals :pac:

i agree main street should be one way for sure, but harbour road isnt really a thoroughfare except during school term and only at certain times (which if people are commuting from those new properties they will be gone) and if its downsizers they will probably be walking.

id agree the borders should be closed on a sunny day if the carry on at whiterock and sandycove is anything to go by! removing the parking at whiterock may help a little, undesirables arent keen on walking. Especially carrying large bags of cans

04-06-2020 11:29pm

Cyrus wrote: »

isnt the traffice concern generally over played?

i live in dalkey manor on killiney road, all of the objections raised made reference to an increase in traffic on the road, and its made next to no difference that i can see.

my kids goto the school, id imagine the cars parking for the school run will be a bigger issue for the residents than vice versa.

although i shudder to think what the construction phase will be like.

Harbour road only has two ways in and out though. The main one being the junction at Bulloch, which is pretty poor to turn right from. The other is a very narrow one way street.

If this were to provide affordable housing then I can understand the need to put 100 apartments there, but it won’t be, this is all about squeezing as much money from the land as possible.

Cyrus · 05-06-2020 7:11am

Aegir wrote: »

Harbour road only has two ways in and out though. The main one being the junction at Bulloch, which is pretty poor to turn right from. The other is a very narrow one way street.

If this were to provide affordable housing then I can understand the need to put 100 apartments there, but it won’t be, this is all about squeezing as much money from the land as possible.

If it was to provide affordable housing on one of the most expensive roads in Dublin that’s a whole other can of worms !

Edgware · 07-06-2020 4:54pm

TheW1zard wrote: »

I don't think its over played. The whole discussion around Dalkey going one way or having a pedestrian zone while not practical (or wanted by the residents) is needed in the long term. Dalkey is a nightmare to drive through!
Making it one way or no traffic at all might not help but if more developments are built it will only get worse I think.
You're spared a lot of that as your road is a good link to N11/Dunlaoghaire etc.

The bottom of Sorrento / Vico and Coliemore Rd come impassable on a sunny day, the comment of 18th infrastructure is very true there.

Maybe Dalkey should only be for locals :pac:

Except for members of the lower orders employed as domestics and gardeners. Maybe allow in some immigrant labour to give it an international feel

ted1 · 07-06-2020 10:17pm

TheW1zard wrote: »

I don't think its over played. The whole discussion around Dalkey going one way or having a pedestrian zone while not practical (or wanted by the residents) is needed in the long term. Dalkey is a nightmare to drive through!
Making it one way or no traffic at all might not help but if more developments are built it will only get worse I think.
You're spared a lot of that as your road is a good link to N11/Dunlaoghaire etc.

The bottom of Sorrento / Vico and Coliemore Rd come impassable on a sunny day, the comment of 18th infrastructure is very true there.

Maybe Dalkey should only be for locals :pac:

Who says it’s not wanted by the residents? It’s hot good support on Facebook. The Gardai put in a great traffic management scheme recently and the roads where very free on the bank holiday weekend, they could make it permanent.

Pedestrianised villages works well other places. Deliveries in the morning. Then a ban after 10

TheW1zard · 08-06-2020 10:14am

ted1 wrote: »

Who says it’s not wanted by the residents? It’s hot good support on Facebook. The Gardai put in a great traffic management scheme recently and the roads where very free on the bank holiday weekend, they could make it permanent.

Pedestrianised villages works well other places. Deliveries in the morning. Then a ban after 10

The people who live in Whites Villas,St Patricks Rd, Convent rd, Pats Ave do. Plenty more Im sure.

Cyrus · 08-06-2020 12:13pm

TheW1zard wrote: »

The people who live in Whites Villas,St Patricks Rd, Convent rd, Pats Ave do. Plenty more Im sure.

they have an objection for everything

the tram yard development is another thing they arent in favour of

TheW1zard · 08-06-2020 1:00pm

Cyrus wrote: »

they have an objection for everything

the tram yard development is another thing they arent in favour of

Agreed! Im pro tramyard and pedestrianised area

09-08-2020 3:53pm

Aegir wrote: »

ABP would be mad to let Charleville go ahead. Harbour Road couldn’t cope with the additional traffic and it would make the road a lot more dangerous for the pupils if the two primary schools within 200 metres.

It seems the ABP inspector agreed with me and recommended that permission be refused.

But they’ve approved it anyway.

patrickbrophy18 · 22-11-2020 6:27pm

Construction of both Charleville and Castlepark developments has begun with the Dalkey Manor site being earmarked for a fast-track development as per this link. It's a pre planning Consultation and not a a Planning Application. Nevertheless, the 103 residential units increases the scale of it by roughly 3 times.

I hate to dig up the infrastructure topic again. However, going by the map here, I noticed that 3 of the railway bridges in Dalkey have been added to the "record of monuments and places" as they weren't mentioned in the document here. Yet, a long term cycle route is proposed either on or adjacent to this section of railway. So, there is a bit of a conflict here. However, if they are going to provide extra space for cyclists, they might as well go all out and cap the railway in some shape or form to carry existing car traffic and potential bus traffic away from the village so that Castle Street can ultimately be pedestrianized or made one-way. This would enable the creation of bus routes operating south beyond the current Squareabout terminus. Anyway, that's just my opinion as the current ivory tower status quo will continue encouraging future generations to drive to and from the place. Before anyone says it, I know there is cycling and the DART. However, I just think we shouldn't be pigeon holing it to only these alternatives. Again, my opinion

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Incidentally, new "further" information has emerged on The Tramyard which I am delighted to confirm debunks the numerous rumours which went around about it and The Queens being turned into apartments. It will also inject a much needed functioning heart into the town, especially in order to help the town recover from the damage which COVID-19 restrictions has done to much of the retail units. While many (mainly neighbouring) residents object to the idea of the rooftop bar, I think it is a potential unique selling point. Imagine being able to have a pint and have a 360 degree view of the area. I would visit it for this novelty alone.

Fasano · 08-04-2022 1:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/113633792#Comment_113633792

now that the Castlepark Development is starting to loom over the poor people who live alongside it, are you still of the same opinion?

I really feel for the neighbouring properties.

Proposed/Recently Refused Infill Developments in Dalkey

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