Noel Grealish

Harvey Weinstein · 13-11-2019 1:09am

JJayoo wrote: »

When it comes to the drug related crime I would be surprised if any other group operated without some input/payment to the Kinneghans

I've changed my mind and you can disregard that post.
3.4 billion is a lot of money, I seriously doubt the Kinahans have made even a fraction of that amount.
Also it doesn't seem possible in any way that its simply welfare scammers..the numbers in this regard don't add up. I don't believe 3+ billion was scammed from welfare, thats far too much money to be realistic.
Of course the idiotic progressives are far too stupid to see anything beyond race and racism so they get hysterical when any charge is levelled against non whites and fail to see the bigger picture.
something else is going on here in my opinion and the racism angle is a deliberate red herring to distract people from the real issue which is probably a massive international money laundering operation which the Govt are terrified of being revealed.
They want people to focus on the racism angle..classic distraction.

I'm not saying the Govt are involved but they won't want anything like that to be exposed as going on under their watch.

Fann Linn · 13-11-2019 1:09am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

An answer to a written Dail question in October seems to blow Grealish’s figures out of the water. Average remittances to Nigeria in the order of €17 million. Mentioned just now on the Tonight Show.

Leo said the Albanians and Georgians were a bit dodgy last week.
Can we believe him?

Sir Oxman · 13-11-2019 1:12am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

That's worth looking into tbh given the high number of unemployed Nigerians or some of them that are doing a bit sharing a taxi between 3 keeping the car on the road 24/7.

It is worth looking into.
The figures are way out of whack with under 20,000 Nigerians including children here (excluding those with Irish citizenship which wouldn't be much more I assume) with a reported employment rate of 45%

I remember this being reported a few years ago but nothing came of it, only eyebrows were raised.

All the govt has to do is ask whoever is responsible to investigate it and come back to our parliament and state the outcome.

dd973 · 13-11-2019 1:12am

The 1950's to 1980's people who moved to the UK sent back millions in remittances however it's never been fully acknowledged due to their image deficit, they're associated with being 'working class', working in construction in places like Cricklewood and Birmingham, they're a bit too rural, a bit too GAA and Catholic Church, they had English accented children whom are haughtily and arrogantly dismissed as 'British' even if they're Irish citizens. They're a bit too close to home and know a bit too much unlike the heroes who went to the States or Australia whom are romanticised.

Strazdas · 13-11-2019 1:23am

The story of €500m being sent to Nigeria from Ireland every year via Irish banks and Western Union sounds scarcely plausible or believable. Such numbers would be setting all sorts of alarm bells ringing throughout the system (€10m a week!).

sabat · 13-11-2019 1:49am

Strazdas wrote: »

The story of €500m being sent to Nigeria from Ireland every year via Irish banks and Western Union sounds scarcely plausible or believable. Such numbers would be setting all sorts of alarm bells ringing throughout the system (€10m a week!).

And remember that, if this is legitimate taxed income as the government are saying, the original amount earned would be be higher again still. IE: Netted back up to what should be a pre higher-rate (anyone sending that much must be liable for the higher rate) taxed figure. So we are talking conservatively, if this is indeed legal taxed money, €700M+ in income.

Corholio · 13-11-2019 2:57am

Chief economist with IBEC.

https://twitter.com/GerardBrady100/status/1194354100042944512?s=19

Yurt2 · 13-11-2019 5:30am

Corholio wrote: »

Chief economist with IBEC.

https://twitter.com/GerardBrady100/status/1194354100042944512?s=19

Not to speak in defense of Grealish, but in that Twitter thread, the above economist conceeds the CSO data is derived from modelling and estimates of income, and as such we probably shouldn't regard his figures as 'hard data'. He calls the World Bank figures that Grealish uses as 'questiobable,' yet is happy to wheel out the CSO data which has its own problems to burnish a political point.

It's head in the sand stuff to deny that a lot of our undocumented are working in the black or grey economy and are remitting untaxed income to their home countries. It's not every immigrant, but let's not pretend it doesn't happen.

IBEC have been consistently more or less open borders advocates for many years. Recently, the put out a press release saying the 30k minimum salary for critical skills visa was 'too high'. That kind of shows you where they're at.

ThunbergsAreGo · 13-11-2019 7:16am

Is Gerard Brady not validating the Grealish question? Why would there be such a difference between estimates derived by income (CSO) and the World Bank figures?

Annasopra · 13-11-2019 8:43am

Corholio wrote: »

Chief economist with IBEC.

https://twitter.com/GerardBrady100/status/1194354100042944512?s=19

950 Euro each per year? Whats all the hysteria about then?

lola85 · 13-11-2019 8:56am

Yeah that chart looks dodgy.

Dyr · 13-11-2019 9:02am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Is Gerard Brady not validating the Grealish question? Why would there be such a difference between estimates derived by income (CSO) and the World Bank figures?

Do the CSO release the raw data and methodologybehind their stats?

_Kaiser_ · 13-11-2019 9:09am

TD asks reasonable question given what seems to be an oddity in the figures.

Asks if controls are in place to ensure nothing untoward happening.

Is immediately branded racist because some of the people involved have a different skin colour :rolleyes:

Newstalk discussing it now.. Susan trying to suggest that while it's a fair question, he was just being a big racist and shouldn't have asked it publicly like that but gone to the authorities with his concerns.

Ireland 2019!

kippy · 13-11-2019 9:10am

dd973 wrote: »

The 1950's to 1980's people who moved to the UK sent back millions in remittances however it's never been fully acknowledged due to their image deficit, they're associated with being 'working class', working in construction in places like Cricklewood and Birmingham, they're a bit too rural, a bit too GAA and Catholic Church, they had English accented children whom are haughtily and arrogantly dismissed as 'British' even if they're Irish citizens. They're a bit too close to home and know a bit too much unlike the heroes who went to the States or Australia whom are romanticised.

These people are not treated like that where I am from, but I don't see what any of that has to do with the thread.

kippy · 13-11-2019 9:13am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

TD asks reasonable question given what seems to be an oddity in the figures.

Asks if controls are in place to ensure nothing untoward happening.

Is immediately branded racist because some of the people involved have a different skin colour :rolleyes:

Newstalk discussing it now.. Susan trying to suggest that while it's a fair question, he was just being a big racist and shouldn't have asked it publicly like that but gone to the authorities with his concerns.

Ireland 2019!

Exactly.
TD's should be able ask these questions in case:
1. There's an issue with the accuracy of the figures/methodology/how the figures are arrived at.
2. There is a genuine question around why the figures are so out of kilter with logic.

Who knows whether he has raised this "privately" already and gotten nowhere?

Snow Garden · 13-11-2019 9:25am

Corholio wrote: »

Chief economist with IBEC

Ignoring Grealish for a second I would take anything IBEC say with a pinch of salt. I have dealt with IBEC many times and I find them to be utter wafflers.

_Kaiser_ · 13-11-2019 9:25am

Newstalk being as "impartial" on this as usual - admitted that many texters agree with him, but have 2 reps from immigrant groups on in 20 minutes to complain about it.

pjohnson · 13-11-2019 9:28am

If he has a pop at travellers next he could push for MEP/President.

Not combining Travellers with Foreigners was Caseys mistake.

Hell maybe throw in climate change denial to get all the offended behind him!

Snow Garden · 13-11-2019 9:30am

Paschal just said these remittance figures are difficult to 'model'. Grealish needs to publish his numbers from the world bank.

ThunbergsAreGo · 13-11-2019 9:31am

Bambi wrote: »

Do the CSO release the raw data and methodologybehind their stats?

There is a bit of a blurb on it in one of the Tweets - basically its an estimate based on modelling.

I dont really understand why some massive countries with a large presence in Ireland werent included in the CSO Table

ThunbergsAreGo · 13-11-2019 9:35am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Paschal just said these remittance figures are difficult to 'model'. Grealish needs to publish his numbers from the world bank.

Wouldnt that be on the World Bank? Its not like the figures are secret - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nigerians-send-nearly-500m-a-year-home-from-ireland-29278045.html

Dyr · 13-11-2019 9:38am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

There is a bit of a blurb on it in one of the Tweets - basically its an estimate based on modelling.

I dont really understand why some massive countries with a large presence in Ireland werent included in the CSO Table

Central Spin Office is why

These are the boys who told us that they'd thoroughly tested the shiny new calculating machines they bought off the yanks and there was no way or census data was being compromised

McMurphy · 13-11-2019 9:38am

weldoninhio wrote: »

€26k per year per person, including children. Absolute madness!! How much would you have to earn to be able to save €26k, while paying the cost of living here, and have kids??

And our representatives are AGAINST looking into this!!!!

Whoa! - if these sums are even remotely accurate, then there's something seriously wrong here. :eek:

zell12 · 13-11-2019 9:42am

Pascal Donohoe reading the FG script on Newstalk
practically labelling Grealish a racist for mentioning Nigerians

_Kaiser_ · 13-11-2019 9:43am

pjohnson wrote: »

If he has a pop at travellers next he could push for MEP/President.

Not combining Travellers with Foreigners was Caseys mistake.

Hell maybe throw in climate change denial to get all the offended behind him!

You know what I'm offended by?

People like you and the nonsense insinuations that anyone who questions or says something not "on message" must be racist, xenophobic, offended or whatever other term ye try to deflect from what is yet again a perfectly reasonable question.

All the Twitter and Facebook "likes" and virtue signalling kudos in the world won't solve the genuine concerns and issues that surround many of these "forbidden" topics.

If you want to counter the points raised, try and do it without the nonsense. People might actually take you seriously.

Kivaro · 13-11-2019 9:48am

The Irish Independent's headline this morning:
"TD accused of racism after questioning 'astronomical' amount of money sent from Ireland to Nigeria".
The Irish Examiner's headline: "Grealish accused of 'disgraceful racism' as TD targets migrants in Dáil."

Any independence that the Examiner had prior to being bought by the Irish Times is now gone. It sold its soul ........... and its ability to report impartially. Asking questions on the illogical amount of money being sent to Nigeria is now deemed as "targeting" migrants. I am surprised that Charlie Flanagan did not have Grealish arrested under the proposed new hate laws to silence this type of questioning.

Remember the good auld days when Nigerians came to Ireland in their thousands and received asylum almost automatically, and then had their Irish-worker-supplied welfare payments directly deposited into banks in Nigeria?
We were being scammed then, and we are being scammed now, and still the liberal politicians in Ireland will shut down any questioning of their policies that allows this to happen.

Eric Cartman · 13-11-2019 9:49am

Grealish is on the money yet again

Green Peter · 13-11-2019 9:53am

I'm in his constituency and he'll be getting my No 1 for the first time , we need more people like him who call a spade a spade and less of this political correctness crap.

BobMc · 13-11-2019 9:54am

No problem with this query at all, its not a race thing IMO, if its fact I dont care which country or colour of your skin, but
If you can afford to send that volume of money out its a legitimate question to question its origin, either tax paid or ill gotten matter not nor does your race. But as usual they want to turn it into a race thing

zimmermania · 13-11-2019 9:54am

Let's hope he loses his seat.

riemann · 13-11-2019 9:55am

Some 'professor' from UCD on rte not exactly putting her best foot forward.

riemann · 13-11-2019 9:55am

zimmermania wrote: »

Let's hope he loses his seat.

You're going to be disappointed.

Snow Garden · 13-11-2019 9:56am

zimmermania wrote: »

Let's hope he loses his seat.

Not a hope in hell.

Seriously zero.

He has a strong core of votes already. This story will only bring him more votes.

Eric Cartman · 13-11-2019 9:56am

BobMc wrote: »

No problem with this query at all, its not a race thing IMO, if its fact I dont care which country or colour of your skin, but
If you can afford to send that volume of money out its a legitimate question to question its origin, either tax paid or ill gotten matter not nor does your race. But as usual they want to turn it into a race thing

Nigerians have an over 78% unemployment rate here, between export of tangible goods like cars, car parts and electronics and the money thered want to he a few nigerian millionaires sending back all of their money to be overrepresenting to make that average of 41k per person anything more than evidence that pur welfare money and criminal gains are being funneled out of the state.

rdwight · 13-11-2019 10:03am

zell12 wrote: »

Pascal Donohoe reading the FG script on Newstalk
practically labelling Grealish a racist for mentioning Nigerians

Disappointing from Donohoe. He said CSO "modelled" remittances of only €17m to Nigeria and that it was up to Grealish to explain where his figures came from.

Grealish's figures come from World Bank estimate and are easily accessible. The discrepancy between the WB figures and the CSO needs to be explained and I would have expected a numbers man like Donohoe to be interested in doing that.

If it turns out CSO figures are correct we can all calm down and look for other issues to be outraged by.

Yurt2 · 13-11-2019 10:03am

Tapdancing Christ they had Ebun Joseph on Morning Ireland talking about Grealish. For don't know who she is; basically her chief talents in life appear to be being African in a predominantly white country, and operating a line in creepy self-help gurudom.

"Ultimate Power - being an unforgettable woman seminar - coming to a down-market Midlands hotel function room near you."

Oh, and to boot, she coordinates Ireland's first 'black studies' programme at the UCD School of Social Justice. A wasps nest of mentalers that RTE have on speed-dial for some reason.

Anyway, not sure who's worse, Grealish or her.

13-11-2019 10:08am

Where did the CSO get their figures from? Have they published the source of their data?

Kivaro · 13-11-2019 10:10am

Green Peter wrote: »

I'm in his constituency and he'll be getting my No 1 for the first time , we need more people like him who call a spade a spade and less of this political correctness crap.

I've being saying it for the last couple of years that since the traditional parties in Ireland have completely let us down (us = workers/contributors in Ireland), then we should vote independent until such time a party that represents the voice of the majority is formed or evolve from the group of independents.

And I'm not talking only about the issues derived from the defacto open borders that we have here in Ireland, but the complete failure of the HSE, the disassociation of the judiciary and criminal justice system of the true nature of criminality in Ireland, and the systemic corruption that allows the rural broadband program and Children's Hospital projects to proceed.

To fight back against this drive by liberal politicians to destroy our country is to vote independent at the next election.

Eric Cartman · 13-11-2019 10:14am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Where did the CSO get their figures from? Have they published the source of their data?

Please tell me youre not questioning the validity of the CSO because it produces a result that shows things you don’t like ?

zell12 · 13-11-2019 10:14am

This is the view from six years ago, emanating from this news report

rdwight · 13-11-2019 10:22am

zell12 wrote: »

This is the view from six years ago, emanating from this news report

This is more the kind of response I would have hoped for from Donohoe.

blanch152 · 13-11-2019 10:22am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

An answer to a written Dail question in October seems to blow Grealish’s figures out of the water. Average remittances to Nigeria in the order of €17 million. Mentioned just now on the Tonight Show.

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Wouldnt that be on the World Bank? Its not like the figures are secret - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nigerians-send-nearly-500m-a-year-home-from-ireland-29278045.html

So there is a discrepancy between the funds that Ireland records leaving the country and going to Nigeria and the funds that the World Bank records as arriving in Nigeria from Ireland.

Why? That is the real question. Some on the radio this morning have tried to suggest it is Nigerian companies repatriating profits. I struggle to see any Nigerian company with such a presence in the Irish market that it would be repatriating that amount of money.

There are two other possibilities.

One is the money-laundering one. Nigeria is a big problem when it comes to money-laundering. Our banks will have let us down again if they are responsible for facilitating international money-laundering.

The second possibility is the Irish cash economy. Nigerians aren't the only group taking part in this. We Irish have many people involved in the cash economy. Taxes aren't paid, social welfare is claimed by people with cash income etc. The cash economy may be a lot bigger than most of us suspect.

Nobody wants Ireland to be associated with either international money-laundering or a significant cash economy. Because Noel Grealish has form (and probably hasn't considered the two possibilities I mention), it is easier to target him as a racist rather than confront the underlying causes of the discrepancy.

My own guess is that the discrepancy is a combination of both those possibilities. Our banks are wittingly or unwittingly facilitating international money-laundering and the CSO are failing to get a clear grasp of the size of the Irish cash economy. In the case of the former, it is a minority of Nigerians and others involved in money-laundering and a particular nationality shouldn't be labelled as a result. In the case of the latter, the cash economy is something that immigrants have exploited but it has always been here, just getting bigger on the back of exploitation of immigrants. Sure, there are Nigerians and other nationalities involved, but it is a homegrown problem.

13-11-2019 10:23am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Please tell me youre not questioning the validity of the CSO because it produces a result that shows things you don’t like ?

I get a phone call from the cso every 3 months for the last year. I think I have one phone call left. They ask me questions, I tell them my answers and I think sometime in the future what I have told them will be used as a statistic.

I could tell them anything tbh, it’s not checked. Actually, my personal circumstance isn’t even on their list of options (I went on carers leave in 2017. Carers leave up now but I’m still full time carer), Its either employed, unemployed, student or stay at home and I’m none of them.

is_that_so · 13-11-2019 10:25am

Kivaro wrote: »

I've being saying it for the last couple of years that since the traditional parties in Ireland have completely let us down (us = workers/contributors in Ireland), then we should vote independent until such time a party that represents the voice of the majority is formed or evolve from the group of independents.

And I'm not talking only about the issues derived from the defacto open borders that we have here in Ireland, but the complete failure of the HSE, the disassociation of the judiciary and criminal justice system of the true nature of criminality in Ireland, and the systemic corruption that allows the rural broadband program and Children's Hospital projects to proceed.

To fight back against this drive by liberal politicians to destroy our country is to vote independent at the next election.

There ends a party political broadcast on behalf of perpetually self-righteous! A monkey house would get more done than a Dail full of Indos! They can't agree on anything beyond what will get them reelected. Most Indo candidates are deluded malcontents.

is_that_so · 13-11-2019 10:28am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I get a phone call from the cso every 3 months for the last year. I think I have one phone call left. They ask me questions, I tell them my answers and I think sometime in the future what I have told them will be used as a statistic.

I could tell them anything tbh, it’s not checked. Actually, my personal circumstance isn’t even on their list of options (I went on carers leave in 2017. Carers leave up now but I’m still full time carer), Its either employed, unemployed, student or stay at home and I’m none of them.

So, on the basis of a single survey you're dismissing everything the CSO produces in favour of a gombeen politician who thinks he may be on to something?

zell12 · 13-11-2019 10:30am

is_that_so wrote: »

There ends a party political broadcast on behalf of perpetually self-righteous! A monkey house would get more done than a Dail full of Indos! They can't agree on anything beyond what will get them reelected. Most Indo candidates are deluded malcontents.

They are elected to represent the people in our incredibly fair voting system.

MrMusician18 · 13-11-2019 10:31am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I see some of the weasels in the Social Democrats @Owen Hanley calling out racism once again at Noel Grealish and being endorsed by party leadership

The Social Democrats really had a chance to make some ground on the top 2 Parties and they are blowing it badly this year. Very disappointed in them. They are looking quite fractured with members taking very different stances on policy.

That shower of clowns can't even agree on who leads their party, so is it any wonder that they're all inventing policy?!

pjohnson · 13-11-2019 10:32am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You know what I'm offended by?

People like you and the nonsense insinuations that anyone who questions or says something not "on message" must be racist, xenophobic, offended or whatever other term ye try to deflect from what is yet again a perfectly reasonable question.

All the Twitter and Facebook "likes" and virtue signalling kudos in the world won't solve the genuine concerns and issues that surround many of these "forbidden" topics.

If you want to counter the points raised, try and do it without the nonsense. People might actually take you seriously.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings

13-11-2019 10:32am

is_that_so wrote: »

So, on the basis of a single survey you're dismissing everything the CSO produces in favour of a gombeen politician who thinks he may be on to something?

No. I asked where their data comes from. Is that really too much to ask?

is_that_so · 13-11-2019 10:34am

zell12 wrote: »

They are elected to represent the people in our incredibly fair voting system.

They are elected to do two things: please their voters and to serve the country. Indos tend to fail spectacularly on the second one.

Noel Grealish

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