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Patrick Quirke -Guilty

  • 01-05-2019 2:43pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,840 ✭✭✭


    Seems to me the ex had something to do with this too


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Very odd, he'll surely appeal. Whatever about the ins and outs of the case, there was no clear evidence that he murdered anybody. All they really demonstrated was possible motive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Very odd, he'll surely appeal. Whatever about the ins and outs of the case, there was no clear evidence that he murdered anybody. All they really demonstrated was possible motive.


    Not a shread of evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,931 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Seems to me the ex had something to do with this too

    Good job he/she is your 'ex' then!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 163 ✭✭PinotNero


    Kind of surprised.I believe he probably did it but the evidence was weak.

    I imagine he'll appeal the sentence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    A lot of indications he was up to no good but no actual evidence.
    Hardly proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The bauld Mary Lowry was as dodgy as he was.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,226 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    Very surprised.

    Listening to the daily trial updates, I was wondering how the prosecution brought a case at all.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Although the evidence was circumstantial, it certainly wasn’t ‘weak’.

    The moment I heard he had been searching for how long it takes bodies to decompose on the internet in the days after Bobby Ryan went missing, I knew he was guilty as sin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    Based on what was in the media its a shocking verdict. Very little evidence to send somebody down for a life sentence.

    In fact more suspicion on the lowry woman imo than quirke.

    On an aside..there seems to be some fierce amount of middle aged riding going on. I'll never believe my single mates telling me its hard to date in your 40s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Odelay


    The staging of finding the body was a bit of a give away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    I wasn't surprised it was taking the jury ages but knew they'd come back fairly quickly after this mornings directive from the judge

    Evidence was a bit circumstantial for my liking.

    Based on media anyway


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Based on what was in the media its a shocking verdict. Very little evidence to send somebody down for a life sentence.

    In fact more suspicion on the lowry woman imo than quirke.

    On an aside..there seems to be some fierce amount of middle aged riding going on. I'll never believe my single mates telling me its hard to date in your 40s.
    I remember reading a few years back that STIs were increasing rapidly in the over 50s!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Although the evidence was circumstantial, it certainly wasn’t ‘weak’.

    The moment I heard he had been searching for how long it takes bodies to decompose on the internet in the days after Bobby Ryan went missing, I knew he was guilty as sin.

    I know what you mean..but ive looked up mad **** on the net too...and that particular stuff too....its not enough to send somebody down for a life sentence imo...

    The burden of proof should be very high cos the consequences are very high and I dont this it was even close to that in this case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Although the evidence was circumstantial, it certainly wasn’t ‘weak’.

    The moment I heard he had been searching for how long it takes bodies to decompose on the internet in the days after Bobby Ryan went missing, I knew he was guilty as sin.

    Did they say those searches were in the days after and did they present evidence as to who performed the searches?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Scary that you could get a life sentence based on that evidence.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Did they say those searches were in the days after and did they present evidence as to who performed the searches?

    Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,357 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Surely Mary Lowry could have been found as guilty of him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭hairyprincess


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.

    Who hadn’t actually died yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.

    Only he managed to search if before his son died...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Odelay


    I think it would have been terrible if he wasn’t found guilty. Glad he isn't getting away with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Odelay wrote: »
    I think it would have been terrible if he wasn’t found guilty. Glad he isn't getting away with it.

    Said with scary conviction! Just hope that if any misfortune befalls you and you end up on trial, that the jurors will be open minded :)


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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Odelay wrote: »
    I think it would have been terrible if he wasn’t found guilty. Glad he isn't getting away with it.

    Same. Think people need to learn the difference between circumstantial evidence and no evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Lots of evidence against him was ruled inadmissible by his defence team.
    Details on RTE:
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0501/1046863-what-the-quirke-trial-jury-didnt-hear/


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Said with scary conviction! Just hope that if any misfortune befalls you and you end up on trial, that the jurors will be open minded :)

    The jury took 20 hours to deliberate the verdict. Sounds to me like they were very open minded.

    I presented a huge piece of evidence in this thread which pointed towards his guilt and you’ve completely ignored it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    BPKS wrote: »
    Very surprised.

    Listening to the daily trial updates, I was wondering how the prosecution brought a case at all.

    Exactly my response to this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Justice

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Yer wan seems to have been ridin like a rampant rabbit

    And he’d get up on a cracked plate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Its important to note that the guards did a shambles of a job in this case, real amateur stuff.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Yer wan seems to have been ridin like a rampant rabbit

    And he’d get up on a cracked plate

    In fairness, Mary Lowry looks a lot like his wife.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Same. Think people need to learn the difference between circumstantial evidence and no evidence.


    Sure it looks suspicious,but it could just as easily have been someone else that dumped the body in the tank.

    Folk are concerned that a conviction can follow from such weak evidence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.

    Wrong. The search took place more than once.

    The only one that took place after Bobby Ryan disappeared was a year and a half after

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/human-body-decomposition-search-carried-out-on-a-computer-seized-in-quirke-house-court-told-1.3833977
    Who hadn’t actually died yet.

    The other, the one before his son died, also took place two years before Bobby Ryan died. That alone makes the searches meaningless


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    Scary that you could get a life sentence based on that evidence.

    Yeah, all they had on him was the motive and the opportunity...and the actual body of the murder victim hidden in a concealed water tank on his farm that only he and a few others knew about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Odelay wrote: »
    I think it would have been terrible if he wasn’t found guilty. Glad he isn't getting away with it.

    Same. Think people need to learn the difference between circumstantial evidence and no evidence.
    When the guy is in the dock at the beginning of the trial the jury do not know if he is guilty or not guilty. Based on the evidence that the prosecution presented there is no way that they now know that he is guilty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    kneemos wrote: »
    Sure it looks suspicious,but it could just as easily have been someone else that dumped the body in the tank.

    Then they snuck into his house and looked up how long it takes a body to decompose in water on his laptop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Then they snuck into his house and looked up how long it takes a body to decompose in water on his laptop.

    Are you imagining things?

    The searches did not mention water


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Are you imagining things?

    The searches did not mention water

    “Gardaí also found evidence that a home computer had been used to search for the rate of decomposition of human remains in water.”

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0501/1046814-patrick-quirke-trial/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I'm not surprised that it went to majority verdict.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,809 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Said with scary conviction! Just hope that if any misfortune befalls you and you end up on trial, that the jurors will be open minded :)

    I used always have great confidence in jurys up until the Belfast trial last year.
    It's was scary to think that some of the one's on Twotter could end up on a jury!


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its important to note that the guards did a shambles of a job in this case, real amateur stuff.

    What would you have done differently?
    Gardai arrested the suspect & clearly put enough evidence together for the DPP to decide that suspect should be charged.
    Looks like they did exactly what they are supposed to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,809 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What would you have done differently?
    Gardai arrested the suspect & clearly put enough evidence together for the DPP to decide that suspect should be charged.
    Looks like they did exactly what they are supposed to do.

    That his body wasn't found sooner was one of the main things I've heard mentioned!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Based on what the media told us, I would have had a hard time finding him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

    What was the judges directive this morning?

    Oh, and I was full sure he’d shout from the docks “she was in on it too”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I do think that an innocent defendant should always take the stand regardless of what their defence team advises them.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Wrong. The search took place more than once.

    The only one that took place after Bobby Ryan disappeared was a year and a half after

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/human-body-decomposition-search-carried-out-on-a-computer-seized-in-quirke-house-court-told-1.3833977



    The other, the one before his son died, also took place two years before Bobby Ryan died. That alone makes the searches meaningless

    Granted I got my dates wrong, but reading that article you linked doesn’t make me any less convinced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    “Gardalso found evidence that a home computer had been used to search for the rate of decomposition of human remains in water.”

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0501/1046814-patrick-quirke-trial/

    The link I have already given gives the exact searches that were used and the exact articles that were read, which were not about decomposition in water

    And it gives the dates of the second searches - a year and a half after the murder with the first searches at least two years before the murder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Gaillimh1976


    Unless you were in the courtroom & heard all of the evidence, you can't really comment on whether this verdict is correct.

    Media may not have reported everything / may have been instructed not to report everything / put their own spin on things to sell papers

    If they spent 20 hours deliberating the jurors have clearly given this sufficient thought & not rushed into a verdict


  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What would you have done differently?
    Gardai arrested the suspect & clearly put enough evidence together for the DPP to decide that suspect should be charged.
    Looks like they did exactly what they are supposed to do.

    From the Gardai evidence in the trial it sounded like the crime scene investigation was like something out of the Naked Gun. Frank Drebbin wouldn't be bloody in it with their carry on.

    The State Pathologist didn't even bother his hole going down to it.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Unless you were in the courtroom & heard all of the evidence, you can't really comment on whether this verdict is correct.

    Media may not have reported everything / may have been instructed not to report everything / put their own spin on things to sell papers

    If they spent 20 hours deliberating the jurors have clearly given this sufficient thought & not rushed into a verdict

    You really need to read up on how the media can report court cases if you think this is a possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Granted I got my dates wrong, but reading that article you linked doesn’t make me any less convinced.

    Try this one then

    Ryan was murdered in 2014

    Searches about body decomposition took place before his son died

    But his son died in August 2012

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/boy-killed-in-trailer-accident-on-family-dairy-farm-26885315.html

    Did he plan pre-August 2012 to murder someone and not get around to it until a couple of years later?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Gaillimh1976


    Faugheen wrote: »
    You really need to read up on how the media can report court cases if you think this is a possibility.
    Spin may be the wrong word


    More emphasis on certain parts than others is really what I mean


    Rest of the point still stands


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Try this one then

    Ryan was murdered in 2014

    Searches about body decomposition took place before his son died

    But his son died in August 2012

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/boy-killed-in-trailer-accident-on-family-dairy-farm-26885315.html

    Did he plan pre-August 2012 to murder someone and not get around to it until a couple of years later?

    Bobby Ryan went missing in 2011...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Its important to note that the guards did a shambles of a job in this case, real amateur stuff.

    I didn't seem that way to me. The defence certainly tried to portray that way but I don't think any of their points were of much consequence. My reading of the media reports was that the guards did pretty much what you would expect of them. One might argue that they did exceptionally well, given that the evidence they gathered has secured a murder conviction.


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