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Patrick Quirke -Guilty

knucklehead6

Seems to me the ex had something to do with this too

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BarryD2

Very odd, he'll surely appeal. Whatever about the ins and outs of the case, there was no clear evidence that he murdered anybody. All they really demonstrated was possible motive.

kneemos

BarryD2 wrote: »

Very odd, he'll surely appeal. Whatever about the ins and outs of the case, there was no clear evidence that he murdered anybody. All they really demonstrated was possible motive.

Not a shread of evidence.

FrancieBrady

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Seems to me the ex had something to do with this too

Good job he/she is your 'ex' then!

PinotNero

Kind of surprised.I believe he probably did it but the evidence was weak.

I imagine he'll appeal the sentence.

Bob Harris

A lot of indications he was up to no good but no actual evidence.
Hardly proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The bauld Mary Lowry was as dodgy as he was.

BPKS

Very surprised.

Listening to the daily trial updates, I was wondering how the prosecution brought a case at all.

Faugheen

Although the evidence was circumstantial, it certainly wasn’t ‘weak’.

The moment I heard he had been searching for how long it takes bodies to decompose on the internet in the days after Bobby Ryan went missing, I knew he was guilty as sin.

King of Kings

Based on what was in the media its a shocking verdict. Very little evidence to send somebody down for a life sentence.

In fact more suspicion on the lowry woman imo than quirke.

On an aside..there seems to be some fierce amount of middle aged riding going on. I'll never believe my single mates telling me its hard to date in your 40s.

Odelay

The staging of finding the body was a bit of a give away.

Laois_Man

I wasn't surprised it was taking the jury ages but knew they'd come back fairly quickly after this mornings directive from the judge

Evidence was a bit circumstantial for my liking.

Based on media anyway

is_that_so

King of Kings wrote: »

Based on what was in the media its a shocking verdict. Very little evidence to send somebody down for a life sentence.

In fact more suspicion on the lowry woman imo than quirke.

On an aside..there seems to be some fierce amount of middle aged riding going on. I'll never believe my single mates telling me its hard to date in your 40s.

I remember reading a few years back that STIs were increasing rapidly in the over 50s!

King of Kings

Faugheen wrote: »

Although the evidence was circumstantial, it certainly wasn’t ‘weak’.

The moment I heard he had been searching for how long it takes bodies to decompose on the internet in the days after Bobby Ryan went missing, I knew he was guilty as sin.

I know what you mean..but ive looked up mad **** on the net too...and that particular stuff too....its not enough to send somebody down for a life sentence imo...

The burden of proof should be very high cos the consequences are very high and I dont this it was even close to that in this case.

Laois_Man

Faugheen wrote: »

Although the evidence was circumstantial, it certainly wasn’t ‘weak’.

The moment I heard he had been searching for how long it takes bodies to decompose on the internet in the days after Bobby Ryan went missing, I knew he was guilty as sin.

Did they say those searches were in the days after and did they present evidence as to who performed the searches?

realdanbreen

Scary that you could get a life sentence based on that evidence.

Faugheen

Laois_Man wrote: »

Did they say those searches were in the days after and did they present evidence as to who performed the searches?

Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.

Birneybau

Surely Mary Lowry could have been found as guilty of him

hairyprincess

Faugheen wrote: »

Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.

Who hadn’t actually died yet.

Odelay

Faugheen wrote: »

Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.

Only he managed to search if before his son died...

Odelay

I think it would have been terrible if he wasn’t found guilty. Glad he isn't getting away with it.

BarryD2

Odelay wrote: »

I think it would have been terrible if he wasn’t found guilty. Glad he isn't getting away with it.

Said with scary conviction! Just hope that if any misfortune befalls you and you end up on trial, that the jurors will be open minded

Faugheen

Odelay wrote: »

I think it would have been terrible if he wasn’t found guilty. Glad he isn't getting away with it.

Same. Think people need to learn the difference between circumstantial evidence and no evidence.

ongarite

Lots of evidence against him was ruled inadmissible by his defence team.
Details on RTE:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0501/1046863-what-the-quirke-trial-jury-didnt-hear/

Faugheen

BarryD2 wrote: »

Said with scary conviction! Just hope that if any misfortune befalls you and you end up on trial, that the jurors will be open minded

The jury took 20 hours to deliberate the verdict. Sounds to me like they were very open minded.

I presented a huge piece of evidence in this thread which pointed towards his guilt and you’ve completely ignored it.

Vegeta

BPKS wrote: »

Very surprised.

Listening to the daily trial updates, I was wondering how the prosecution brought a case at all.

Exactly my response to this.

Mantis Toboggan

Justice

Beechwoodspark

Yer wan seems to have been ridin like a rampant rabbit

And he’d get up on a cracked plate

Mantis Toboggan

Its important to note that the guards did a shambles of a job in this case, real amateur stuff.

Faugheen

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Yer wan seems to have been ridin like a rampant rabbit

And he’d get up on a cracked plate

In fairness, Mary Lowry looks a lot like his wife.

kneemos

Faugheen wrote: »

Same. Think people need to learn the difference between circumstantial evidence and no evidence.

Sure it looks suspicious,but it could just as easily have been someone else that dumped the body in the tank.

Folk are concerned that a conviction can follow from such weak evidence.

Laois_Man

Faugheen wrote: »

Yes they did, and Patrick Quirke admitted to the Gardai to searching that on the internet but claimed it was in relation to his dead son.

Wrong. The search took place more than once.

The only one that took place after Bobby Ryan disappeared was a year and a half after

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/human-body-decomposition-search-carried-out-on-a-computer-seized-in-quirke-house-court-told-1.3833977

hairyprincess wrote: »

Who hadn’t actually died yet.

The other, the one before his son died, also took place two years before Bobby Ryan died. That alone makes the searches meaningless