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Luas Finglas

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  • #52
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I’d be building it through the greenfield to the west of finglas village if possible. I know it’s the old dump, if it’s feasible to build the line through there , you can build thousands of apartments and possibly a new town centre either side of the tracks...


  • #53
    Last Stop
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I’d be building it through the greenfield to the west of finglas village if possible. I know it’s the old dump, if it’s feasible to build the line through there , you can build thousands of apartments and possibly a new town centre either side of the tracks...

    You wouldn’t be able to build apartments on top of the old dump.
    Having said that I think this alignment would be good if they were to provide multiple sports pitches within the old dump site. They could extend it over the m50 to tie in with metro west at abbotstown and the growing national sports campus.
    Splitting the line between this and the route easy of Finglas at Broombridge (or Ballyboggan Rd to be precise) is probably the best solution overall


  • #54
    MrAbyss
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    The old dump is still an eco hazard. No one will live on that for centuries.


  • #55
    marno21
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    If we are planning dense apartment building surely the Metro North corridor should be top of the list, and the Dublin Industrial Estate being closer the city would be a better idea for the Green Line?

    The Luas lines should be a lesson in relation to trying to do too much with trams that run on streets.

    DART Underground and the vast prairies that run along the Kildare Line are another strong contender.


  • #56
    Last Stop
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    There is the possibility long term that this line could be upgraded to metro with a tunnel south of Broadstone potentially going towards UCD


  • #57
    Zebra3
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    MrAbyss wrote: »
    The old dump is still an eco hazard. No one will live on that for centuries.

    This is Ireland......


  • #58
    ncounties
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭ncounties


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I’d be building it through the greenfield to the west of finglas village if possible. I know it’s the old dump, if it’s feasible to build the line through there , you can build thousands of apartments and possibly a new town centre either side of the tracks...

    I used to have the misfortune of living in Northampton, and there was a Cineworld there that was built on top of an old dump. Every other year the building needs underpinning, and the car park is an absolute joke - you can just about make out the unevenness here. I know it's an nice idea but former dumps should not be built upon.


  • #59
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    ncounties wrote: »
    I used to have the misfortune of living in Northampton, and there was a Cineworld there that was built on top of an old dump. Every other year the building needs underpinning, and the car park is an absolute joke - you can just about make out the unevenness here. I know it's an nice idea but former dumps should not be built upon.

    The Irish Glass Bottle site was a massive dump but was built upon. The IGB Co had huge multistory buildings and a few furnaces.

    It is now intended to be built upon for housing. Hope they reinforce the foundations.


  • #60
    Pete_Cavan
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    The Irish Glass Bottle site was a massive dump but was built upon. The IGB Co had huge multistory buildings and a few furnaces.

    It is now intended to be built upon for housing. Hope they reinforce the foundations.

    I think the Irish Glass Bottle site is a different kettle of fish though. That area stopped being used for landfill in the 70s so wouldn't have gotten the kind of plastic and chemicals in household waste which came later. It was also before rampant consumerism and disposable culture which has existed for several decades now. Most of the hazards at the IGBS were from industry and these have been remediated.


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  • #61
    MrAbyss
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    In the graphic what is the 700M walk from Cabra connecting with?


  • #62
    LeinsterDub
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    MrAbyss wrote: »
    In the graphic what is the 700M walk from Cabra connecting with?

    https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1193175566251446274


  • #63
    MrAbyss
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    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1193175566251446274




    thanks, so the old railway yard for the former cement works I take it? That should be built now, not planned IMHO.


  • #64
    Idbatterim
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    it would make sense to link the end of the luas finglas line with a shuttle bus to the airport... even if the bus went every 20/30 mins... with a huge park and ride at the end of the line, you could also provide airport parking and make a lot of money!

    that could actually take pressure off the road network around the airport! Do any buses go from liffey valley to the airport? if people could let people off there and avoid the m50 toll twice, I wonder would it get much use?


  • #65
    Zebra3
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    The Maynooth Airport Hopper serves Leixlip, Lucan, and Liffey Valley (on the N4).


  • #66
    LeinsterDub
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    it would make sense to link the end of the luas finglas line with a shuttle bus to the airport... even if the bus went every 20/30 mins... with a huge park and ride at the end of the line, you could also provide airport parking and make a lot of money!

    that could actually take pressure off the road network around the airport! Do any buses go from liffey valley to the airport? if people could let people off there and avoid the m50 toll twice, I wonder would it get much use?

    Who would use it? In theory journeys south of Glasnevin would interchange at Glasnevin as would some journeys from as far north as Finglas. North of Finglas you'd bus you Ballymun road and change to ML


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  • #67
    Peregrine
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    it would make sense to link the end of the luas finglas line with a shuttle bus to the airport... even if the bus went every 20/30 mins... with a huge park and ride at the end of the line, you could also provide airport parking and make a lot of money!
    BusConnects would serve this journey.


  • #68
    Pete_Cavan
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    P&Rs for commuters shouldn't be used for airport parking, if commuters can't park it defeats the purpose of providing the infrastructure and undermines attempts to encourage sustainable transport.


  • #69
    ncounties
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    Was at the barber's yesterday in Glasnevin, and he told me a yarn about how they are about to build Fingluas... :rolleyes: I had to set him straight on Noel Rock.


  • #70
    Pete_Cavan
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    ncounties wrote: »
    Was at the barber's yesterday in Glasnevin, and he told me a yarn about how they are about to build Fingluas... :rolleyes: I had to set him straight on Noel Rock.

    It’s not going to be built yet but was always going to take a couple of years of design and planning before it gets to that stage anyway, good that that is starting next year so it can be built in the not too distant future.


  • #71
    marno21
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    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    It’s not going to be built yet but was always going to take a couple of years of design and planning before it gets to that stage anyway, good that that is starting next year so it can be built in the not too distant future.

    Indeed. It seems to be at the top of the priority queue for luas extensions.

    It has the advantage of having a reasonable price tag so might get pushed over the line


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  • #72
    SeanW
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    Since this is Finglas we're talking about, we must ask the obvious question - how is it planned to stop the new line from becoming a cesspit of crime and anti-social behaviour?


  • #73
    CatInABox
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Since this is Finglas we're talking about, we must ask the obvious question - how is it planned to stop the new line from becoming a cesspit of crime and anti-social behaviour?

    Strangely enough, they said the same thing about the red line out to Tallaght, and then they said the same thing about the green line going to Broombridge. Funny that.


  • #74
    Zebra3
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Since this is Finglas we're talking about, we must ask the obvious question - how is it planned to stop the new line from becoming a cesspit of crime and anti-social behaviour?

    I've heard the plan is to restrict access to those earning at least 50K a year and their children.


  • #75
    MrAbyss
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Since this is Finglas we're talking about, we must ask the obvious question - how is it planned to stop the new line from becoming a cesspit of crime and anti-social behaviour?




    Bit harsh. Everything has been fine at Broombridge


  • #76
    LeinsterDub
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Since this is Finglas we're talking about, we must ask the obvious question - how is it planned to stop the new line from becoming a cesspit of crime and anti-social behaviour?

    They'll just fish the Luas out of the Liffey at the same time they are fishing out all those Dublin bikes.


  • #77
    L1011
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Since this is Finglas we're talking about, we must ask the obvious question - how is it planned to stop the new line from becoming a cesspit of crime and anti-social behaviour?

    You are talking about the same Luas system that runs through Drimnagh, Tallaght, Fettercairn and Broombridge right?


  • #78
    fionnsci
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    He's right, better not to invest in working class areas and connect them to employment hubs.


  • #79
    Sam Russell
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    Mod: Can we talk about Infrastructure/Luas here and not make cheap political/social snide shots at those less well off and in need of decent public transport.


  • #80
    SeanW
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    This is not a rip on the majority of people who live in places like that. But it is an unfortunate fact that where there a lot of less well off in a densely crowded city area, very often a minority of people in those areas will "act the maggot" to put it kindly and basically spend all their time making life harder for everyone - mainly the majority decent people that live in those areas.

    I've nothing against Luas to Finglas, but I'm just asking if this has been considered and what mitigation plans for anti-social behaviour would be put in place?

    Things like, will slab track be used instead of ballasted track so that there's no stones that can be used as missiles? Will the stations and all track areas be well lit? Will security be present at the proposed stops?


  • #81
    Zebra3
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    Will you ever give over? :rolleyes:


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  • #82
    LeinsterDub
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    SeanW wrote: »
    what mitigation plans for anti-social behaviour would be put in place?

    Things like, will slab track be used instead of ballasted track so that there's no stones that can be used as missiles? Will the stations and all track areas be well lit? Will security be present at the proposed stops?

    As someone already pointed out the same mitigation as in other disadvantages areas


  • #83
    marno21
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    TII have tendered for a topographical survey of the proposed Luas Finglas route.

    The proposed route will extended from the current Green Line terminus at Broombridge to Charlestown near the N2/M50 interchange

    It'll include 4 stops, two bridges, one P&R and an extension to Broombridge depot. It'll be 4km long

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/162995/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE


  • #84
    Muahahaha
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    Why would they be doing that now? iirc NTA dont have the resources to get this started while working on the Metrolink so it is at least a decade away at best.


  • #85
    marno21
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Why would they be doing that now? iirc NTA dont have the resources to get this started while working on the Metrolink so it is at least a decade away at best.
    It was mentioned before that as design staff were done on Metrolink they would get moved onto the Luas projects.

    Which probably means that the majority of the design work on Metrolink is nearing completion


  • #86
    L1011
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    This survey won't be done particularly quickly.

    Metrolink *design* work will be fundamentally complete when they go to Railway Order stage, assuming no redesigns needed. Different skillsets for different people after that.


  • #87
    Idbatterim
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    Hopefully this could be built over the old dump and free up huge amounts of land there for housing and not go via the existing village


  • #88
    CatInABox
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Hopefully this could be built over the old dump and free up huge amounts of land there for housing and not go via the existing village

    It's an old dump. I'd be surprised if there's any development there for another 20 years, never mind housing.


  • #89
    brandodub
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Hopefully this could be built over the old dump and free up huge amounts of land there for housing and not go via the existing village
    It still has vents in situ for methane to escape. This will not be suitable for building on in a lifetime


  • #90
    L1011
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    Depends on the condition of the fill. Madjeski Stadium in Reading was built over a stable but still venting dump about 7 years after it was capped.


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  • #91
    Muahahaha
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    Whereabouts is the old dump? And has there been any movement to re-zone the Dublin Industrial Estate to build residential?


  • #92
    PhoenixParker
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    L1011 wrote: »
    Depends on the condition of the fill. Madjeski Stadium in Reading was built over a stable but still venting dump about 7 years after it was capped.

    A stadium most likely has deep foundations that bypass the fill material. Houses don’t unless you’re spending a fortune/going high rise.


  • #93
    CatInABox
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Whereabouts is the old dump? And has there been any movement to re-zone the Dublin Industrial Estate to build residential?

    There's been movement on some smaller sites dotted around the city. Dublin Inquirer has more here.

    The larger sites, such as Dublin Industrial Estate, are going to take longer, as apparently the council thinks the larger sites will need more consultation than the smaller ones. Frustrating that it's taking so long, but hopefully this means that they'll have some kind of masterplan for these areas.

    Although in saying that, DCC will probably do something ridiculous and impose a three story limit on all the developments, then continue complaining about the housing crisis.


  • #94
    cgcsb
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    Remember a few years ago when FG announced that it was going to go ahead with 'one of the big three transport projects' with full clown make up on. Meaning that they were going to pick luas cross city at 10% the cost of either metro or dart underground. Then afterwards they were in the papers saying luas cc was our answer to London's crossrail, with clown shoes on also.

    This is basically like that, we'll be presented with these two and possibly a third project in dramatic fashion like a sophies choice sort of scenario. And the Finglas luas will be selected then be extended to the airport along a meandering route and this will be sold to us as a great improvement and a great triumph for public infrastructure and the best value for money comboning both projects and getting both sets of benefits etc.


  • #95
    Idbatterim
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    CatInABox wrote: »
    There's been movement on some smaller sites dotted around the city. Dublin Inquirer has more here.

    The larger sites, such as Dublin Industrial Estate, are going to take longer, as apparently the council thinks the larger sites will need more consultation than the smaller ones. Frustrating that it's taking so long, but hopefully this means that they'll have some kind of masterplan for these areas.

    Although in saying that, DCC will probably do something ridiculous and impose a three story limit on all the developments, then continue complaining about the housing crisis.

    more public consultation? We dont need more of that bull**** from the local experts! its absolute no brainer stuff to redevelop the closer in to town industrian estates and particularly the ones on luas lines...

    listen if they can build housing over the dump IF, it makes a lot more sense than routing it via the chronically low density dump of Finglas.

    Can they not put the parking at ground level? and have residential start from the first floor?


  • #96
    Sam Russell
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    CatInABox wrote: »
    Although in saying that, DCC will probably do something ridiculous and impose a three story limit on all the developments, then continue complaining about the housing crisis.

    Didn't they build some high rise fats in Ballymun some time ago? What happened there?


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  • #97
    Idbatterim
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Didn't they build some high rise fats in Ballymun some time ago? What happened there?

    yeah and they build something tallish down in capital dock too, I am sure the residents there, are wrecking the place... It must be the height that sends them crazy :rolleyes:


  • #98
    BowWow
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Hopefully this could be built over the old dump and free up huge amounts of land there for housing and not go via the existing village

    When you say "old dump", do you mean Dunsink or what is now Tolka Valley Park?


  • #99
    Idbatterim
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Wow. You normally see simplistic shark eyed comments like that on the journal comments section but its a new low for boards congrats.

    Next you'll be enquiring into the ladder heights of fire trucks.

    Assuming that comment is extreme sarcasm !


  • #100
    Kevtherev1
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    CatInABox wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1193166660259196928

    This is based on what they looked at during the first go around. It'll change, but some elements won't. It'll turn north right at Broombridge station, go through the Dublin Industrial Estate there, then most likely an elevated bridge over the tolka valley. From there, it's anyone's guess.

    Dublin Industrial Estate is in the process of being rezoned, so it's days as an Industrial Estate are numbered, I'd say it's going to be the first to be rezoned, what with the public transport connections it has.

    Not sure how they'll deal with turning north/the height difference at Broombridge, elevate the entire station maybe? Move the station into the heart of the industrial estate?




    The old alignment for finglas luas had 7 station stops. This new proposed route to have only 4 station stops. I wonder will the new route be more a straight route from Broombridge to Charlestown. Regardless it will be heavily congested from opening day.



    The car park across from charlestown SC is not big enough for a Luas P and R. With all the apartments, houses, people driving in from N2 and m50 etc. The luas from Finglas to Charlemont will be crush capacity at peak times. They will have to keep buying 55 metre trams. Finglas to Charlemont line will be a huge success.


  • #101
    Muahahaha
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    Kevtherev1 wrote: »
    The old alignment for finglas luas had 7 station stops. This new proposed route to have only 4 station stops. I wonder will the new route be more a straight route from Broombridge to Charlestown. Regardless it will be heavily congested from opening day.

    Yeah had noticed it is down to 4 stops from 7. I think that makes sense for a 4km route.

    I wonder where the Luas might join onto the N2 after going through the Dublin Industrial estate? Opposite where Premier Square apartments are now?

    The car park across from charlestown SC is not big enough for a Luas P and R. With all the apartments, houses, people driving in from N2 and m50 etc. The luas from Finglas to Charlemont will be crush capacity at peak times. They will have to keep buying 55 metre trams. Finglas to Charlemont line will be a huge success.

    If a P&R were to go in that car park in front of Charlestown SC it would have to be at least 4 or 5 stories high to handle capacity. Even then that might not be enough. Also you could see traffic backed up in the mornings just to get into a Charlestown P&R from off the N2. P&Rs need to be seemless, if people have to queue 5 or 10 minutes at traffic lights just to get into it then they'll give up and just drive anyway.

    Much better idea would be to run the Luas 500m further north with a terminus and P&R just off the N2 north of the M50. Theres lots of land there at Coldwinters that only has the odd horse grazing on it. Also the N2 at that specific section is six lanes wide so there is space for 2 Luas tracks. A P&R located there would allow commuters from Ashbourne and beyond drive straight into off new slip roads off the N2.


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