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Solo (young Han Solo film) *spoilers from post 1493*

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Rogue one did one big thing wrong. We know the rebellion get the plans. Everyone knows that. But the film spends it time making that the tension point rather than focusing on the characters and making you care about them. There's no character development at all.
    And just when you might begin to feel something (when they start dying) the film gets hijacked by the admittedly best space battle ever. *and then* Vader.

    The hodge podge fixing it on fly in the editing room is balls out in the last twenty minutes. You're literally having your attention robbed from any empathy by the big flashy space battle.

    That's why it's awesome they've stepped in on han. Fix it before it gets to a point where you're trying to fix it in editing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    *what a space battle though. There's one in last Jedi too. It simply has to top it and I don't see how it can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Horses for courses , I watched Rogue One on three separate occasions now and for me it just hasn't clicked. How an adult could find the deaths of these "characters" sad is puzzling, they were 2 dimensional caricatures whose only purpose was to spout clunky exposition in an effort to further a completely redundant plot. We already knew the death star plans were stolen by the rebels, in an entire galaxy of possibilities why invest in a story whose outcome we all already know?

    But of course all this is just my opinion, I'm not arrogant enough to claim those who enjoyed rogue one as wrong, the movie just didn't work for me.

    No, but you're "arrogant" enough to say this:
    How an adult could find the deaths of these "characters" sad is puzzling
    :D

    I found the ending "sad", for want of a better word, because I felt sorry for Jyn Erso, whose life wasn't the easiest, shall we say. Plus, just after a brief reuniting with her dad, revenge on Krennic and her success in the mission, she ends up getting fried on a beach on some far off planet at 25.

    You may have not been able to get with her character, but understood her much much better than the likes of Rey in 'The Force Awakens'.

    I also liked Cassian Andor, who's character breaks the simplistic view of the rebellion being populated with angels. His character fits in with the partisan type that populate makeshift armies in real life. Not quite military, but fighting nonetheless. He made perfect sense to me.

    Also, yes we knew the DS plans were stolen. Now we know how, where and who did it. The story has been expanded in a good way and hasn't screwed up established lore in a way that the prequels did. 'Rogue One' was a great example of how you do a prequel that leads up to a familiar story, without breaking that story...so much so that I'd place it in the top three Star Wars films, after the original 'Star Wars' and 'The Empire Strikes Back'.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I think this might have been an Alien Resurrection-esque mismatch of director and screenwriter. Lord and Miller are writers themselves, but Disney didn't ask them to write the script and probably for good reason. They committed to making Kasdan's script, but seemingly tried to change it into something closer to their own sensibilities on set. Abrams and Edwards did a lot of improvisation too, so I don't think Kennedy is opposed to it. And as I said earlier, Kasdan is no stranger to it either. But maybe Lord and Miller went too far. As homerun_runner said, a Star Wars comedy could work but this probably wasn't the right film to do it with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Tony EH wrote: »
    No, but you're "arrogant" enough to say this:

    :D

    I found the ending "sad", for want of a better word, because I felt sorry for Jyn Erso, whose life wasn't the easiest, shall we say. Plus, just after a brief reuniting with her dad, revenge on Krennic and her success in the mission, she ends up getting fried on a beach on some far off planet at 25.

    You may have not been able to get with her character, but understood her much much better than the likes of Rey in 'The Force Awakens'.

    I also liked Cassian Andor, who's character breaks the simplistic view of the rebellion being populated with angels. His character fits in with the partisan type that populate makeshift armies in real life. Not quite military, but fighting nonetheless. He made perfect sense to me.

    Also, yes we knew the DS plans were stolen. Now we know how, where and who did it. The story has been expanded in a good way and hasn't screwed up established lore in a way that the prequels did. 'Rogue One' was a great example of how you do a prequel that leads up to a familiar story, without breaking that story...so much so that I'd place it in the top three Star Wars films, after the original 'Star Wars' and 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

    Rogue One, for me, actually improves A New Hope, as it develops, gives depth and further context to the plot.

    Quoted the wrong post there, damn! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    For me too. In fact, watching them back to back is like gorging on a boxset.

    :pac:

    Star Wars, primarily, for me is R1, ANH, ESB and ROTJ.

    My jury is still out on whether the new trilogy will pass muster. Its start is littered with some terrible problems. But, in saying that, I'm pretty optimistic and 'The Last Jedi'.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    I think this might have been an Alien Resurrection-esque mismatch of director and screenwriter. Lord and Miller are writers themselves, but Disney didn't ask them to write the script and probably for good reason. They committed to making Kasdan's script, but seemingly tried to change it into something closer to their own sensibilities on set. Abrams and Edwards did a lot of improvisation too, so I don't think Kennedy is opposed to it. And as I said earlier, Kasdan is no stranger to it either. But maybe Lord and Miller went too far. As homerun_runner said, a Star Wars comedy could work but this probably wasn't the right film to do it with.




    Star Wars can be funny. But it can't really be all out comedy. Nobody remembers spaceballs? I reckon L&M were being far too self referential with the material and that was one of the problems.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,401 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    david75 wrote: »
    Star Wars can be funny. But it can't really be all out comedy. Nobody remembers spaceballs? I reckon L&M were being far too self referential with the material and that was one of the problems.

    Spaceballs was a parody of Star Wars though not a Star Wars comedy. It could definitely work imo, though I don't think it would be a good idea to centre it around an established character like Han Solo.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    So a full on kids movie just with the droids. Could be brilliant comedy.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    so a new trailer for the last Jedi has been classified by the BBFC
    It's 90 seconds long. Definitely being shown at D23 and or comic con

    Rumour is it's gonna have a 'Chewie we're home' moment but it'll show Luke and Leia reuniting.


    They wouldn't. Would they??
    Would that not be seen as a bit manipulative?

    Grown men everywhere gonna be in tears. Me included.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Spaceballs was a parody of Star Wars though not a Star Wars comedy. It could definitely work imo, though I don't think it would be a good idea to centre it around an established character like Han Solo.

    It depends on how much "comedy" we're talking about.

    Something along the lines of 'Lethal Weapon' could possibly work, in the right hands. An action comedy mashup perhaps - even though I wouldn't be too enamored with the idea.

    But 'Carry on Solo' can feck right off. Nor do I want to see 'Ham Solo: Pet Detective' either, or 'Solo: The Superbad Years'.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,401 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It depends on how much "comedy" we're talking about.

    Something along the lines of 'Lethal Weapon' could possibly work, in the right hands. An action comedy mashup perhaps - even though I wouldn't be too enamored with the idea.

    But 'Carry on Solo' can feck right off. Nor do I want to see 'Ham Solo: Pet Detective' either, or 'Solo: The Superbad Years'.

    Well I would expect a Star Wars comedy to be an adventure comedy first and foremost, and it's funny you mention Lethal Weapon because when I saw the choice of directors and the casting of Lando I was expecting that's what the studio wanted to go for with this. If they really were going the Ace Ventura route then it's probably for the best it never saw the light of day.

    I don't see why a more straight up comedy wouldn't work with a new set of characters that's separate from the main SW story line though. I'd see it in the same light as a dark violent movie aimed at adults set in SW universe. Deadpool and Logan's success showed it's possible to have a bit of variety in terms of what you do with an IP without messing with the main thrust of the franchise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Well I would expect a Star Wars comedy to be an adventure comedy first and foremost, and it's funny you mention Lethal Weapon because when I saw the choice of directors and the casting of Lando I was expecting that's what the studio wanted to go for with this. If they really were going the Ace Ventura route then it's probably for the best it never saw the light of day.

    That's what I thought when this thing got green lit and the personalities involved came to light, even though I never, for a single second, believed that this thing should be getting made in the first place. But, if it has to be done this way, the best route would a 'Lethal Weapon', 'Beverly Hills Cop' or '48 Hours' route. All of which are essentially dramas, with an emphasis on comedy.
    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I don't see why a more straight up comedy wouldn't work with a new set of characters that's separate from the main SW story line though. I'd see it in the same light as a dark violent movie aimed at adults set in SW universe. Deadpool and Logan's success showed it's possible to have a bit of variety in terms of what you do with an IP without messing with the main thrust of the franchise.

    To put it bluntly, it just wouldn't suit, that's all. Star Wars, first and foremost, is a straight drama. It has some comic elements (and I stress SOME), but it's just not a comedy. There are actual stakes involved in all of the Star Wars films, even the crap ones. Turning around and making a screwball comedy just wouldn't fit. 'Smuggle Hard: The Han Solo Story'.

    *shudder*

    Also, why do people keep trying to equate Star Wars with Marvel? They're not the same. For better or worse, there's a distinct historical narrative in the Star Wars films. The MCU has no real direction whatsoever. It's just random shit, loosely related.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That's what I thought when this thing got green lit and the personalities involved came to light, even though I never, for a single second, believed that this thing should be getting made in the first place. But, if it has to be done this way, the best route would a 'Lethal Weapon', 'Beverly Hills Cop' or '48 Hours' route. All of which are essentially dramas, with an emphasis on comedy.



    To put it bluntly, it just wouldn't suit, that's all. Star Wars, first and foremost, is a straight drama. It has some comic elements (and I stress SOME), but it's just not a comedy. There are actual stakes involved in all of the Star Wars films, even the crap ones. Turning around and making a screwball comedy just wouldn't fit. 'Smuggle Hard: The Han Solo Story'.

    *shudder*

    Also, why do people keep trying to equate Star Wars with Marvel? They're not the same. For better or worse, there's a distinct historical narrative in the Star Wars films. The MCU has no real direction whatsoever. It's just random shit, loosely related.



    Tony the marvel cinematic universe is totally mapped out and all interrelated it's not random in any way at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭fluke


    It is kinda random. Like someone devised all these characters while on coke, then tried to figure a way to link them up.

    Yeah the Norse God teams up with the green guy. Something something interplanetary.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Star Wars, first and foremost, is a straight drama. It has some comic elements (and I stress SOME), but it's just not a comedy. There are actual stakes involved in all of the Star Wars films, even the crap ones.

    To say that the whole Star Wars world only constitutes drama would be doing it a disservice and very limiting to the future potential. This world is vast and can no doubt have funny stories no different than it can be dramatic and action packed ones.
    If, and this is a big if, they wanted to make a Han Solo comedy then I'd be ok with it once it's still faithful to the world and not slapstick. A younger Han no doubt had funny hijinx to get to where he was, and it doesn't have to have a big bad guy or an overly serious plot. Just the equivalent of a funny incident from his past turned into a fun cinematic story. On the other hand in other people's hands he could be made to be someone with a tragic background, suck all the humour from a film and give him a backstory that shows why he's the scoundrel and unreliable (initially) person we meet in ANH.

    In Kasdan we trust, and if this changeover is course correcting to get there then Happy... eh... Days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    david75 wrote: »
    Tony the marvel cinematic universe is totally mapped out and all interrelated it's not random in any way at all.

    I don't see any real mapping. There's some overlap, but it certainly isn't the same as Star Wars keeps to a single storyline, even if some of the ideas are woeful in the prequels.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,401 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Tony EH wrote: »


    To put it bluntly, it just wouldn't suit, that's all. Star Wars, first and foremost, is a straight drama. It has some comic elements (and I stress SOME), but it's just not a comedy. There are actual stakes involved in all of the Star Wars films, even the crap ones. Turning around and making a screwball comedy just wouldn't fit. 'Smuggle Hard: The Han Solo Story'.

    *shudder*

    Also, why do people keep trying to equate Star Wars with Marvel? They're not the same. For better or worse, there's a distinct historical narrative in the Star Wars films. The MCU has no real direction whatsoever. It's just random shit, loosely related.

    I never mentioned the MCU, but now you mention it it's definitely not random it's uniform to the point of it being a flaw (fair enoguh the comics are random but that's not what we're discussing), Disney are pretty much taking the exact same approach with Star Wars as they are with the MCU where we'll get films that are all broadly the same. I would have no issue with them experimenting a bit and doing a straight comedy or horror or drama or whatever using either the Marvel or Star Wars IPs. I agree going that far with Han solo would be a bad idea but I'm a little puzzled as to why you'd be so dead set against a bit of innovation or variety outside of the established characters or story line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    To say that the whole Star Wars world only constitutes drama would be doing it a disservice and very limiting to the future potential.

    I didn't say "only". I said "First and foremost". From 1977 onward, the movies have been dramas, sometimes with a little comic element thrown in. Some of which works, some of which has been truly appalling - oh hello Jar Jar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I never mentioned the MCU, but now you mention it it's definitely not random it's uniform to the point of it being a flaw (fair enoguh the comics are random but that's not what we're discussing), Disney are pretty much taking the exact same approach with Star Wars as they are with the MCU where we'll get films that are all broadly the same. I would have no issue with them experimenting a bit and doing a straight comedy or horror or drama or whatever using either the Marvel or Star Wars IPs.

    You were talking about the success of 'Deadpool' and 'Logan', which while they're not strictly the MCU, as it were, they are still Marvel.
    Mickeroo wrote: »
    ...but I'm a little puzzled as to why you'd be so dead set against a bit of innovation or variety outside of the established characters or story line.

    Who said I was? I've specifically mentioned that there's a whole universe to play with. That means new characters and situations. In fact, I'd like to see Star Wars without a Skywalker and beyond the Empire/First Order setting - the worst things about the new trilogy is its cowardice.

    I just don't fancy 'Monty Python and the Holy Holocron', or 'Jabba: The Musical'. That's going to stick out like a sore thumb and look stupid in the cold light of day - Hello Holiday Special.


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  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,401 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Tony EH wrote: »

    I just don't fancy 'Monty Python and the Holy Holocron', or 'Jabba: The Musical'. That's going to stick out like a sore thumb and look stupid in the cold light of day - Hello Holiday Special.

    Well if they do decide to make a comedy at some stage I think we can both agree we'd be better off if it's not you coming up up with the titles or concepts :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Good job. I'm running out.

    George might have a few though. FFS, 'Attack of the Clones' was enough to put a laugh in my mouth when I first saw it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I don't see any real mapping. There's some overlap, but it certainly isn't the same as Star Wars keeps to a single storyline, even if some of the ideas are woeful in the prequels.



    I'm no fan but there really is a huge intricate mapped out canon. The upcoming infinity wars films (with the $2 BILLION budget) has something like 32 of marvels characters in it. Avengers guardians I think xmen. All in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yeh, but that's all that seems to be happening. A character overlap here and there or a slight reference.

    I'm not seeing cross over in events and timelines really. I could be wrong, they don't really last long in the system, TBH.

    I'm not a fan either, it has to be said. They're all too "factory" for me and utterly, utterly forgettable. McDonalds movies.

    I just don't want that happening the SW. I mean, even though I have some major issues with 'The Force Awakens', it still stuck in my mind afterward. I seriously can't remember much of any Marvel film that I've seen.

    That's a very bad sign.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Yeah I'm the same. They're a good watch but rarely stay with you.

    The sw films will follow the same pattern but hopefully can always be interesting.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    This Is awesome. Ron Howard berating Newsweek for taking a cheap shot at Jake Lloyd in phantom menance

    https://twitter.com/thomasstorai/status/878295313953509376


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    A class act, fair play to the man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    More trouble coming out of the rumour mill:

    http://screenrant.com/han-solo-movie-alden-ehrenreich-performance/

    I can't comment on the guy as I haven't seen him in anything, but if this is true I can only imagine how humiliated/irate he's feeling.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    More trouble coming out of the rumour mill:

    http://screenrant.com/han-solo-movie-alden-ehrenreich-performance/

    I can't comment on the guy as I haven't seen him in anything, but if this is true I can only imagine how humiliated/irate he's feeling.

    Reads like click bait. In the THR piece it's based on, concerns about Ehrenreich take up one sentence, which ScreenRant expanded into a whole article. Other reports claim Ehrenreich was the one who raised concerns about Lord & Miller's characterisation of Han in the first place.

    THR claim Lord and Miller were shooting very little coverage towards the end, an age old strategy employed by directors who expect to have the film taken off them in editing. Probably what got them fired. But on the bright side, it says production of Episode 8 was seamless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭Exeggcute


    Sounds like a cluster****


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Rom Howard will be able to knock it together. Whether it's any good, "special", or feels like a Star Wars film, remains to be seen. But if the script is good and the actors are good, he'll do a decent movie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    More trouble coming out of the rumour mill:

    http://screenrant.com/han-solo-movie-alden-ehrenreich-performance/

    I can't comment on the guy as I haven't seen him in anything, but if this is true I can only imagine how humiliated/irate he's feeling.

    He's a good actor and I predict he will be good in the part. If there were issues, I can imagine it's to do with how the directors were having him portray Han, given all the improvisations and their differing tone/take on the character that may have been going against the grain. This may have made the studio take action to deal with a performance that wasn't wholly his fault. Maybe this is where he then raised his concerns to producers. Who knows. It will make an interesting read once the film is out, all the dust settles and the real backstory starts to come out.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,650 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    This makes for interesting reading. Sad if it's true. A stark reminder that it's never about the art.

    http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-is-all-the-same-nowadays-and-its-becoming-a-1796449283


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Howard released a photo from Bettanys last day on han. And look what's in it.

    https://twitter.com/david75donovan/status/909307260551254017


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    david75 wrote: »
    Howard released a photo from Bettanys last day on han. And look what's in it.

    https://twitter.com/david75donovan/status/909307260551254017

    Fan **** - big surprise there, it's still going to be sh!te.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    faceman wrote: »
    This makes for interesting reading. Sad if it's true. A stark reminder that it's never about the art.

    http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-is-all-the-same-nowadays-and-its-becoming-a-1796449283

    When you spend a couple of billion on a product, art is the last thing on your mind. I don't blame Disney for doing it safe and the reviewer in the link is wrong about Marvel's "by the numbers" movies...

    I actually thought Rogue One was an awful idea, but that the movie was superbly enjoyable. GOTG was easily the most surprisingly enjoyable movie of the Marvel movies and I agree TWS was very good. But the rest of them are all about promoting the next movie.

    In many regards you can thank the absolute trashing of the prequels and quite venomous attacks on Lucas. I am surprised he didn't sell it sooner to be honest and he's probably content not having to explain the directions he took with his universe to people anymore.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Fan **** - big surprise there, it's still going to be sh!te.

    Not entirely fair. Han and fett are in each other's spheres white closely before a new hope even. Both working for jabba in different capacities. He's a natural fit. And his presence in this would kill the ridiculous idea of a boba fett standalone which would be fan wanq.

    The latest rumour is Vader is in the han movie. If true that is the definition of fan wanq. And really cheap lazy fan wanq at that. Won't happen hopefully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Wedwood


    This could go either way - a total mess or a triumphant reboot of an iconic character.

    If they get this right, it could pave the way to reintroduce Luke and Leia via new actors and new movies set between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens.

    Or, the new Han Solo will join Jar Jar Binks........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm still of the opinon that this will suck balls, cos I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

    Will it make money, sure. But, that's no brainer for somethign with Star Wars in the title.
    If they get this right, it could pave the way to reintroduce Luke and Leia via new actors

    Which will be simply terrible.

    I'm genuinely hoping that this is a huge flop as a lesson to Disney about being lazy.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I'm still of the opinon that this will suck balls, cos I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

    Will it make money, sure. But, that's no brainer for somethign with Star Wars in the title.



    Which will be simply terrible.

    I'm genuinely hoping that this is a huge flop as a lesson to Disney about being lazy.



    You've seen nothing to base that opinion in at all. None of us have. As you said you want these films to fail. So you're hardly going to give them a fair appraisal. Even a year out without seeing anything of it. Will say that guy better bring it as Han. It's all hanging on him. Nothing else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    david75 wrote: »
    You've seen nothing to base that opinion in at all. None of us have. As you said you want these films to fail. So you're hardly going to give them a fair appraisal. Even a year out without seeing anything of it. Will say that guy better bring it as Han. It's all hanging on him. Nothing else.

    Harrison Ford is Han Solo. We don't need to know where he came from or how he met Chewbacca. Its superfluous to the overall Skywalker Saga.

    Personally, there is no point to this film. It will be filled with self-referencing nods to mannerisms shown by Ford in the Old Trilogy so the fans can all smile and nod at each other in unison. Moreover, you can bet we will get the 'Greedo Shot First' version of Han. We won't be given the grizzled, ruthless Han that existed up until that moment in A New Hope.

    I'll still go and see it, but its the very idea of the film that comes across as lazy and money-grabbing. Another 'safe' and 'profitable' film, but bereft of substance. Years from now, people will think back fondly on the Skywalker Saga and their first experience of Star Wars, (unsure about the newest ones, yet) but they won't reminisce about the Han Solo film.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Falthyron wrote: »
    Harrison Ford is Han Solo. We don't need to know where he came from or how he met Chewbacca. Its superfluous to the overall Skywalker Saga.

    Personally, there is no point to this film. It will be filled with self-referencing nods to mannerisms shown by Ford in the Old Trilogy so the fans can all smile and nod at each other in unison. Moreover, you can bet we will get the 'Greedo Shot First' version of Han. We won't be given the grizzled, ruthless Han that existed up until that moment in A New Hope.

    I'll still go and see it, but its the very idea of the film that comes across as lazy and money-grabbing. Another 'safe' and 'profitable' film, but bereft of substance. Years from now, people will think back fondly on the Skywalker Saga and their first experience of Star Wars, (unsure about the newest ones, yet) but they won't reminisce about the Han Solo film.



    'I'll still go see it'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    david75 wrote: »
    You've seen nothing to base that opinion in at all. None of us have. As you said you want these films to fail. So you're hardly going to give them a fair appraisal. Even a year out without seeing anything of it. Will say that guy better bring it as Han. It's all hanging on him. Nothing else.

    Everything I've seen so far has suggested that this is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. From the fact that the entire project is just a cash in on a famous name, to a Han Solo film without Han Solo, to the hiring of Lord+Miller, to the firing of Lord+Miller...ad nauseum.

    And yes, I want THIS FILM to fail, because it deserves to fail.

    Frankly, its failure harbours a much better outcome than its success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    david75 wrote: »
    'I'll still go see it'

    Yeah, no more than I support my football team even when the manager is terrible, the players can't be arsed, and the board of directors are only interested in making money. :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    They'd have been better off having Harrison Ford in the movie, de-aged. Why not? It worked for Kurt Russell in GOTG 2, which was pretty mind blowing to look at. And Michael Douglas in Ant Man. Sure, it might have gotten a bit uncanny valley but it would've been the "real" Han Solo.

    My guess is they thought of that but Ford didn't want to do it. Don't blame him, I think the OT gave as much Han story as we needed, from cynic to hero. Why do we need to see more cynic?

    Saying that, I will go and see it. It could be great. Han Solo was my hero as a kid, and I could be pleasantly surprised.

    Oh and I don't think that was Boba Fett in the picture. The shadow looks a bit wrong, and the aerial on the helmet too long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,560 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It would never work for a major character that spends almost the entire film on the screen though.

    That kind of tech can work with quick cuts and scenes that don't linger too long. But, you couldn't have a close up with the "magic" being revealed and in a bad way too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Well we have a title.

    Will they stick to may 2018 though? I hope so

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Burgo


    david75 wrote: »
    Well we have a title.

    Will they stick to may 2018 though? I hope so

    Why would you hope so?
    Anyway on a reddit thread someone came up with an excellent title, seems a bit more inspired than the one chosen; "Han Solo and the Smugglers of Kessel"


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yeah, it's an utterly utilitarian film title. Nothing to see here really and seemed like a missed opportunity - I do like that above Reddit one, definitely invokes the spirit of Indiana Jones which would have been pretty inspired.


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