Where's the diversity

Grab All Association · 12-10-2019 2:33am #1

Ooo is this like a Where's Wally puzzle, or are the black and Asian students in it but are ghosts?

Yamanoto · 12-10-2019 8:23am

Trans Rodney Trotter in the middle is pretty diverse

Badly Drunk Boy · 12-10-2019 8:35am

They've embedded "equality, diversity and inclusion into policies and practices within the College". That doesn't mean they can round up 'diverse' people and force them to enrol.

ToddyDoody · 12-10-2019 9:43am

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

They've embedded "equality, diversity and inclusion into policies and practices within the College". That doesn't mean they can round up 'diverse' people and force them to enrol.

They could at leaat show off whatever bit they have.

Bobblehats · 12-10-2019 9:45am

Yamanoto wrote: »

Trans Rodney Trotter in the middle is pretty diverse

I’ve got the one to the left of him pegged down too, along with the one who looks like Tulip Tattsyrup. Tricks are for kids!

Montage of Feck · 12-10-2019 9:49am

Diversity is like ****, it only rolls down hill.

biko · 12-10-2019 10:04am

17 people, 5 men.
Not very equal is it?

Your Face · 12-10-2019 11:17am

Weak outrage today but the gravy is good.

Insect Overlord · 12-10-2019 11:20am

Stroll around the campus some time and see the reality of the place, instead of judging them by a photo op of some members of staff.

statesaver · 12-10-2019 11:21am

It's only diversity when they say it is

vriesmays · 12-10-2019 11:21am

Diversity means more women.

Sir Osis of Liver. · 12-10-2019 11:36am

I'd say the xmas party is some craic.
Herman fcukin Munster there up the back looks a bit of a mad bastard.

biko · 12-10-2019 11:40am

They are diverse in everything but opinion...

vriesmays · 12-10-2019 12:17pm

biko wrote: »

They are diverse in everything but opinion...

That's what diversity is about - people of different gender, nationality, age, religion but all thinking alike.

Bobblehats · 12-10-2019 12:32pm

What a peculiar working environment. Suddenly a bit of hard graft doesn’t seem so bad, does it fellas

Bobblehats · 12-10-2019 12:41pm

biko wrote: »

17 people, 5 men.
Not very equal is it?

The way I see that is guys muscling in on girls jobs. By masquerading as them! We’ve seen it in sport and it’s not right.

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-10-2019 3:24pm

what colour did you think they were going to be in Thurles Ireland?

vriesmays · 12-10-2019 3:38pm

White.

12-10-2019 3:55pm

As a man on the Internet I once again find myself outraged

TheValeyard · 12-10-2019 4:39pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

As a man on the Internet I once again find myself outraged

*white man

JohnnyFlash · 12-10-2019 4:43pm

I wouldn’t want to live in Tipperary either.

vriesmays · 13-10-2019 1:17pm

All these pro-diversity dopes should move their families to Africa and see how long they last there.

pgj2015 · 13-10-2019 2:00pm

every time I see pictures like that all I can think is how sorry I feel for men who have to wear suits every day to work.

the_pen_turner · 13-10-2019 2:01pm

whats going on with the hand rail

beejee · 13-10-2019 2:49pm

Imagine getting paid for this.

Bobblehats · 13-10-2019 3:06pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

whats going on with the hand rail

Let the colours of diversity guide you

Whether ascending or descending is your call. Either way it looks tacky

Edgware · 13-10-2019 3:13pm

Of course there's diversity in the group. At least three came in from Borrisoleigh

Strumms · 13-10-2019 6:34pm

Diversity as a concept is completely flawed and even unfair...

Example...

If I’m a hiring manager for say a gym...

I need 3 new trainers, I put add in paper, on gym notice boards, online, making it perfectly clear that ABC gym is an equal opportunity, fair and whatever else employer...

My own view is that for the benefit of the company, facility and customer the hiring process will be open, transparent, fair and with a view to hiring the best 3 candidates, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or age... right ? Wrong ! While in my own mind ‘the best’ could be 3 females, 3 males, 2/1 or 1/2 just as long as I hire the most suitable candidates....

The now politically correct thing is to hire... one female, one ethnically diverse individual and one gay person or similar demographic... so you are entering in reverse discrimination...the very well qualified and experienced Dermot from the Navan Road, two kids, hard worker, gets on with everyone and with a CV to die for will be getting the suit pressed, shoes shined, practicing his interview techniques and questions for a week with the wife and kids hoping this will be successful, job he always wanted, can provide a better standard of life for the kids and family, but...

It’s not going to work out...why ? Because...he has a penis...that people is discrimination..

13-10-2019 9:31pm

Strumms wrote: »

My own view is that for the benefit of the company, facility and customer the hiring process will be open, transparent, fair and with a view to hiring the best 3 candidates, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or age... right ? Wrong ! While in my own mind ‘the best’ could be 3 females, 3 males, 2/1 or 1/2 just as long as I hire the most suitable candidates....

But nobody is stopping you, or anyone, from doing that.

Diversity targets are implemented, by choice, by organisations who can see that they are employing workers from one disproportionately large demographic, without any clear reaeons.

That's what I find so strange. Let's assume that one-third of the population had blue eyes, one-third had brown eyes, and one-third were other. Why, heretofore, has it never been a problem that, for arguments sake, 80% of a firm's employees had blue eyes, and the lowest 20% work in menial roles?

Shouldn't *that* be setting off alarm bells, and causing policymakers and employers to ask themselves what's going on?

Obviously there can be clear reasons for how employees are distributed in terms of their demographics -- You'd expect to see a higher proportion of non EU doctors and nurses than that of non Irish civil servants.

But when there is no clear reason for the disproportionate representation of any demographic in the workplace, I don't see the harm in trying to rectify that over time.

Bear in mind, nobody is being forced to do it.

And it's interesting that any formal attempt to rebalance the workforce always receives a backlash, when everyone seems to ignore the initial imbalance that was going on, for years, unremarked.

colm_mcm · 13-10-2019 9:34pm

As a self-identified lesbian of colour, I find this thread offensive.

beejee · 13-10-2019 9:43pm

The problem with perceived "privilege" is that it is seen as everything but privilege. It's normality for those concerned.

There's been such a rush to hammer people over the head about their unknown privilege, that I doubt the consequences were thought through.

So now that people have been convinced, have recognised their privilege and how lucky they are to have it... The idea was that they'd willingly give up their advantages, make their lives harder, all in the name of "fairness" for some ethereal stranger?

You've only convinced someone that what they didn't value in the first place IS valuable.

Hm! Good luck with that, I say.

Strumms · 14-10-2019 12:43am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But when there is no clear reason for the disproportionate representation of any demographic in the workplace, I don't see the harm in trying to rectify that over time.

Bear in mind, nobody is being forced to do it.

And it's interesting that any formal attempt to rebalance the workforce always receives a backlash, when everyone seems to ignore the initial imbalance that was going on, for years, unremarked.

So in order to ‘fix’ some perceived imbalance or make a company more diverse you want to rebalance ? Correcting a ‘perceived’ unfairness by creating another, brilliant.

If I’m a hiring manager my only thoughts regarding ‘balancing’ is having a diverse range of talent, skills and experience.... gender will be the last consideration, along with age, hair color etc..

If I go to X company tomorrow to attain a service my first consideration is that they have the people with the ability to provide a service, the intelligence to hire the right and best people... if the right people are 8 gender fluid, trisexuals from Armenia ? Great, if they are mostly all Dubs great...as long as the hiring is on merit, that’s fair."

JupiterKid · 14-10-2019 12:56am

I actually know one of the people in that photograph quite well. A very decent person.

As others on the thread have opined, I don’t see the reason for the outrage. The college may well have a very diverse student body and have good policies and practices in place.

Just because there is no obviously black person or people in the photo doesn’t mean that they don’t deserve the accolade.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 14-10-2019 12:57am

I thought most people were against artificial quotas. Do yiz want them or not?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 14-10-2019 1:02am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But nobody is stopping you, or anyone, from doing that.

Diversity targets are implemented, by choice, by organisations who can see that they are employing workers from one disproportionately large demographic, without any clear reaeons.

That's what I find so strange. Let's assume that one-third of the population had blue eyes, one-third had brown eyes, and one-third were other. Why, heretofore, has it never been a problem that, for arguments sake, 80% of a firm's employees had blue eyes, and the lowest 20% work in menial roles?

Shouldn't *that* be setting off alarm bells, and causing policymakers and employers to ask themselves what's going on?

Obviously there can be clear reasons for how employees are distributed in terms of their demographics -- You'd expect to see a higher proportion of non EU doctors and nurses than that of non Irish civil servants.

But when there is no clear reason for the disproportionate representation of any demographic in the workplace, I don't see the harm in trying to rectify that over time.

Bear in mind, nobody is being forced to do it.

And it's interesting that any formal attempt to rebalance the workforce always receives a backlash, when everyone seems to ignore the initial imbalance that was going on, for years, unremarked.

And nobody wants to consider that meritocracy was probably never in place, even if it was the stated ideal. From socioeconomic differences to old school ties to people with ethnic surnames being less likely to be called to interview when everything else is equal to having the wrong address, the deck has probably always been stacked more towards some people than others.

padd b1975 · 14-10-2019 2:28am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

whats going on with the hand rail

Giant Smarties.

That's what.

topper75 · 14-10-2019 9:31am

Edgware wrote: »

Of course there's diversity in the group. At least three came in from Borrisoleigh

Diversity programme only involves them being allowed to attend the college.

You can still bully them.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 14-10-2019 9:34am

Diversity means a lot more than just skin color or sex/sexual orientation.

vriesmays · 14-10-2019 6:30pm

What about IQ, where's the diversity, most with a brain emigrate, the majority in Ireland have average intelligence.

beejee · 14-10-2019 7:35pm

vriesmays wrote: »

What about IQ, where's the diversity, most with a brain emigrate, the majority in Ireland have average intelligence.

KP81 · 14-10-2019 7:56pm

Plenty of diversity on display here. Both North AND South Tipp represented.

14-10-2019 10:19pm

Strumms wrote: »

So in order to ‘fix’ some perceived imbalance or make a company more diverse you want to rebalance ? Correcting a ‘perceived’ unfairness by creating another, brilliant.

I was trying so hard to show that the above statement is not the case, I repeated it for emphasis. Why are you replying to me if you're not bothering to read it?

Diversity targets intend to ensure that the employee population (across all levels of employment) reflect the general population, unless there are very clear reasons to the contrary*

*clearly there are access bottlenecks in the labour market, for want of a better term. For purely physical reasons, you're never going to have 50:50 male:female bricklayers, women are slighter than men, on average. But if your board of directors is 100% female (or male), then that might be something you'd consider addressing, given its so disproportionate to the population.

In case anyone is about to suggest it, I absolutely agree that there should be quotas for male primary school teachers.

For whatever reasons, probably cultural, there are primary schools who cannot get much if any oversight of GAA coaching in their schools. Given that we know that schoolchildren are becoming less and less active, that's a pressing issue.

sabat · 14-10-2019 10:28pm

If you're looking for some comically hypocritical lack of diversity The Irish Times Trust and board of directors should be your first port of call:

https://www.irishtimes.com/about-us/the-irish-times-trust

14-10-2019 10:29pm

KP81 wrote: »

Plenty of diversity on display here. Both North AND South Tipp represented.

There's no such thing as North or South Tipp anymore. Reunification happened in the 2013 Electoral Act (Amendment).

It was our version of the good Friday Agreement. Got very little press coverage, but we can look one another in the face at last. A template for a united Ireland, I submit.

padd b1975 · 15-10-2019 6:06am

sabat wrote: »

If you're looking for some comically hypocritical lack of diversity The Irish Times Trust and board of directors should be your first port of call:

https://www.irishtimes.com/about-us/the-irish-times-trust

Is Fintan aware of this???

Lillyfae · 15-10-2019 6:34am

vriesmays wrote: »

Diversity means more women.

Finally :pac:!

topper75 · 15-10-2019 9:20am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's no such thing as North or South Tipp anymore. Reunification happened in the 2013 Electoral Act (Amendment).

It was our version of the good Friday Agreement. Got very little press coverage, but we can look one another in the face at last. A template for a united Ireland, I submit.

And your new capital is ...?

BuboBubo · 15-10-2019 9:25am

topper75 wrote: »

And your new capital is ...?

Is it Nenagh?

No more North Riding and South Riding.

I'm sure ye miss the riding

Hector Savage · 15-10-2019 9:35am

biko wrote: »

17 people, 5 men.
Not very equal is it?

It is, it's ok - progressive in fact - to be unequal in the "correct" way.
Now behave yourself or I'll report you to the thought police and you shall be enlisted in a camp where you will be shown the right way to think you bigot!!

Where's the diversity

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