Chipping???

benny79 · 28-09-2015 12:31pm #1

Lads need a bit of help here from fellow boardies

I am really struggling with my chipping! Watched so many you tube vids my brain is fryed!

So all the good chippers out there how do you do it?

Where do you position the ball? Front, Middle or Back of stance?

What clubs do you use? (I normally use Pw or 52) but have heard of lads using 7 - 9I :eek:

What about stance? close together or a bit apart?

Do you tilt the club forward? (shaft lean)

Tried the 7-9i approach the weekend still the same problem I'm Blading loads!

Have lost all confidence just when I sorted my biggest weakness which if off the tee!

alxmorgan · 28-09-2015 12:43pm

This is a fairly risk free way to approach it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTCpkYqF8Ig

yipsnomore · 28-09-2015 12:58pm

Strong left hand, cupped left wrist at address makes it easier for me to come in shallow. I can hit the ball cleanly off any position with this setup.

finglashoop · 28-09-2015 1:10pm

Used to happen me 20 yards or less to the green. I put my two feet togdther an angle them to 2 o clock. I put the ball behind me so I connect with that first.

rollotomasi · 28-09-2015 1:11pm

This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijSB37X5GNA

When chipping, the idea is to get a flatter arc approaching the ball to increase the chance of a decent strike. Playing the ball too far back will require too a precise hit with the leading edge of the club.

Its best to use the bounce of the club and the natural loft of the club.

Ball position is under the sternum - wide or narrow stance doesn't matter too much so long as the ball is positioned here.

The shaft should not have a large forward lean - the hands slightly ahead of the club in line with the ball.

Chip with any club depending on how much run or elevation needed.

Russman · 28-09-2015 1:59pm

Op, this might be going against conventional advice, but I'd suggest forget about all the videos & techniques, take 6 or 8 balls and go to a chipping green with a few clubs and experiment for a few hours. Try to get some feel back into things and free yourself up.
I honestly never once think about those things you brought up, ball position, shaft lean, stance etc. etc. There's the ball, now chip it up beside or into the hole. The most technical I ever get if I'm chipping bad, is to feel like the back of my top hand is being almost pulled around past hip my hip (to be honest I don't know if that's even exactly what I do, its just a little key thought I have that gets me back on track if I hit a few poor chips).

plumber77 · 28-09-2015 4:56pm

I'd lean slightly towards Russman on that. My head was wrecked last year from my chipping woes, really started wrecking my head. Skulling, duffing, no one bad shot. I was just becoming rigid over the ball thinking what to do next. Heading to a chipping green with a few balls and challenges can really help. Took a while, but you start to find out what works for you. For me the biggest thing was the grip pressure. Grip it like a small bird they said, with me twas more like grip it like a cliff edge.

BoardsMember · 28-09-2015 5:18pm

Keeping in line with the recent posts, rather than think analytically about what you are doing, while practice swinging, look up at the hole, and where you want to land the ball, and try to get a feel for the swing required to put the ball there. So as you swing back and forth you are looking at where you are trying to land it. Too often I stand over chips and worry about how to make the stroke, and this subtle change helps me to get a better feel for what you're trying to do. Maybe employ this when using the practice .

Boskowski · 28-09-2015 6:27pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLpAOTILvk

slave1 · 28-09-2015 6:58pm

Nice vid but probably the first time I've seen P and simple in the same sentence...

benny79 · 29-09-2015 9:03am

alxmorgan wrote: »

This is a fairly risk free way to approach it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTCpkYqF8Ig

Do you use this Alxmorgan?

Seems very good in theory for distance control on chipping. Done a bit of research on it last nite and most lads said they used it at some stage and its very effective and after a while you learn to judge it so your not pacing it out all the time.

I'm definitely going to give it ago. Seemly its been around years, but the first I have heard of it!

alxmorgan · 29-09-2015 10:23am

benny79 wrote: »

Do you use this Alxmorgan?

Seems very good in theory for distance control on chipping. Done a bit of research on it last nite and most lads said they used it at some stage and its very effective and after a while you learn to judge it so your not pacing it out all the time.

I'm definitely going to give it ago. Seemly its been around years, but the first I have heard of it!

Yes I do use it and it is very effective.
Obviously you can't use it in all situations but using my own tests my bad shots with this method are better than my bad shots with a more lofted club (e.g. LW)

The other thing I will say when chipping is to get your focus right. Are you trying to hole the chip ? If not then why not. It is possible it can go in ? Of course it is possible so aim to hole every chip.

I had a guy apologise Sun for holing a chip. My reaction was "Well where else would you be aiming to put it ? "

benny79 · 29-09-2015 11:29am

I'm good at the edge of green usually use a 7I and have holed quite a few. My problem arises about 5/10 yards from green or when in rough around green.

alxmorgan · 29-09-2015 11:39am

benny79 wrote: »

I'm good at the edge of green usually use a 7I and have holed quite a few. My problem arises about 5/10 yards from green or when in rough around green.

5 to 10 yards away then aim to land the ball a few feet on and let it run out to the hole.

In terms of rough that is a tougher one as it depends on the lie etc etc
I find with these shots I like to open the club a bit more and really commit to it. Lack of commitment to these shots is usually what results in my bad shots.

Seve OB · 29-09-2015 11:43am

Russman wrote: »

Op, this might be going against conventional advice, but I'd suggest forget about all the videos & techniques, take 6 or 8 balls and go to a chipping green with a few clubs and experiment for a few hours. Try to get some feel back into things and free yourself up.
I honestly never once think about those things you brought up, ball position, shaft lean, stance etc. etc. There's the ball, now chip it up beside or into the hole. The most technical I ever get if I'm chipping bad, is to feel like the back of my top hand is being almost pulled around past hip my hip (to be honest I don't know if that's even exactly what I do, its just a little key thought I have that gets me back on track if I hit a few poor chips).

This.

benny79 · 29-09-2015 11:45am

I do, always pick a landing zone trouble was I was starting to blade a lot of them! and it was slowly creeping in to my game. but I think it might be not putting weight on my left foot and trusting it. As last few rounds when I was left with a chip first taught was "please dont blade it" and you know what happens then

benny79 · 29-09-2015 11:51am

Its getting the time to do this Seve! by the time I get home now its dark. At the weekends Im lucky to get a round in with kids, life etc. summer evenings were great but this has just crept in of late. Just when I'm starting to play well finally from Tee to green.

But appreciate all the advise lads.

Thanks.

martinkop · 29-09-2015 11:59am

One I was told about this year, and works well for me is "to feel as if someone is pushing your head left". Forces my weight on to the left foot and has definitely reduced my amount of blades significantly. Now whenever I hav a chip my first thought is "weight left" not "please dont blade it"

Seve OB · 29-09-2015 12:37pm

If you are worried about blading it, then stop straight away with the 52/PW and use a 7 iron. Blading a 7 iron from a pitch shot is difficult to do if you keep the head down. Use it nearly like a putter.

If you can't get out to practice, try even a bit in your back garden. Not the same I know, but it could help. When you are faced with a shot like this during your round, get to your ball quick & take a good few practice swings while others are playing to get the feel. Can't recommend this enough. But then if you have a minute after, retake the shot. If it's a slow round, chip a ball on the tee box while you are waiting. Aim for the tee marker.

spacecoyote · 29-09-2015 7:01pm

Sound advice here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iReAIus_dE

ShivasIrons · 30-09-2015 12:36am

Seve OB wrote: »

If you are worried about blading it, then stop straight away with the 52/PW and use a 7 iron. Blading a 7 iron from a pitch shot is difficult to do if you keep the head down. Use it nearly like a putter.

I've never seen a good chipper or pitcher keep the head down, it's the worst advice in golf.

billy3sheets · 06-10-2015 7:08pm

I really enjoyed watching Paul Runyan The Short Way to Lower Scores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VZ_GdIYaJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkCGTsc8Xs

Great b/w footage of him beating Sam Snead for the PGA Championship, particularly how he has to chip over Snead's ball when it is blocking his line.

The videos are from the 80s. He covers loads of shots including some terrible lies.

Lance Murdock · 07-10-2015 7:25am

I like that rule of 12 video. Think I'll give that a go.

BoardsMember · 07-10-2015 10:01am

Russman wrote: »

Op, this might be going against conventional advice, but I'd suggest forget about all the videos & techniques, take 6 or 8 balls and go to a chipping green with a few clubs and experiment for a few hours. Try to get some feel back into things and free yourself up.
I honestly never once think about those things you brought up, ball position, shaft lean, stance etc. etc. There's the ball, now chip it up beside or into the hole. The most technical I ever get if I'm chipping bad, is to feel like the back of my top hand is being almost pulled around past hip my hip (to be honest I don't know if that's even exactly what I do, its just a little key thought I have that gets me back on track if I hit a few poor chips).

I tried this, it took away negative thoughts and seemed to make sense and gave me the ability to hit a more confident strike. Thanks for posting!

Hopefully I remember it when I start back in March!!

rrpc · 07-10-2015 10:23am

Practice is the only way to get better at short chips. We had this discussion on 60 degree wedges and although a lot of people frowned on their use, I've found that I get the best results from mine. But then I've practised with it so much that it's got quite heavy wear marks on it.

The problem for me with methods like the rule of 12 is that they seem to be predicated on a particular type of green; relatively flat and with nothing in between the ball and the flag.

In reality, there's always a bunker, a heavy slope, a bit of rough or not much green to work with and probably many other considerations that I've not thought of.

The best advice is to find a method that works for you in pretty much every situation you find yourself in when around the green and practice it until you've got the confidence to know you'll be finishing the hole with a one putt.

mjsc1970 · 07-10-2015 11:56am

BoardsMember wrote: »

I tried this, it took away negative thoughts and seemed to make sense and gave me the ability to hit a more confident strike. Thanks for posting!

Hopefully I remember it when I start back in March!!

I also think this makes sense. A stronger left hand (for right handers) gives me the feeling that I can now slide the club under the ball at a flatter swing arc. Having a neutral left hand somehow, for me anyway, was causing inconsistent contact.

BoardsMember · 07-10-2015 12:36pm

mjsc1970 wrote: »

I also think this makes sense. A stronger left hand (for right handers) gives me the feeling that I can now slide the club under the ball at a flatter swing arc. Having a neutral left hand somehow, for me anyway, was causing inconsistent contact.

Oh no, you may have broken it now....

bmay529 · 08-10-2015 9:58am

Russman wrote: »

Op, this might be going against conventional advice, but I'd suggest forget about all the videos & techniques, take 6 or 8 balls and go to a chipping green with a few clubs and experiment for a few hours. Try to get some feel back into things and free yourself up.
I honestly never once think about those things you brought up, ball position, shaft lean, stance etc. etc. There's the ball, now chip it up beside or into the hole. The most technical I ever get if I'm chipping bad, is to feel like the back of my top hand is being almost pulled around past hip my hip (to be honest I don't know if that's even exactly what I do, its just a little key thought I have that gets me back on track if I hit a few poor chips).

For me the important thing to remember with a chip (as with a put) is make sure to accelerate the club through the point where you hit the ball with a smooth stroke. Some people do all their chipping with one club. I look at how much green there is between the ball and cup then choose a club that will get the ball on the putting surface as soon as possible running at the hole like a put. A rough rule of thumb to think about is to land the ball half way to the hole with PW, 2/3 with SW and 1/3 with a 9 iron... but again aim to land it on the putting surface as soon as possible. Try it.

bobster453 · 08-10-2015 11:51pm

Personally I use a few different stances depending on the club and the run I want but I do generally find that standing straight with even weight distribution and letting the bounce of the club do its thing is a lot more consistent than 70% weight forward and closed face
From now on tho until the spring the 60degree is hibernating and most pitching will be done with PW or even 9iron rather than gap
Usually I find the softer the ground the more forward weight distribution and closed face suits better
Having said all that I also use the SW from close in with bunkers in front and hidden lies but focus on breaking the wrists early both in back and forward swing, open stance with club head square to target line and accelerating through the shot tho a lot of practice is required for that one and full comittment to the shot.
As I wouldnt be a big hitter the majority of my practice time is spent from 70 to 20yrds from the green and putting, lots and lots of putting
One thing I have done this year and it seems to have helped is play six balls from 50-70yds out with each of clubs from PW,GAP,SW AND LOB and then putt them from wherever they land.One misses you keep going until it goes in.This can easily take an hour to two depending on how many times I play each club, and how poor my putting is.

bobster453 · 08-10-2015 11:59pm

rrpc wrote: »

Practice is the only way to get better at short chips. We had this discussion on 60 degree wedges and although a lot of people frowned on their use, I've found that I get the best results from mine. But then I've practised with it so much that it's got quite heavy wear marks on it.

The problem for me with methods like the rule of 12 is that they seem to be predicated on a particular type of green; relatively flat and with nothing in between the ball and the flag.

In reality, there's always a bunker, a heavy slope, a bit of rough or not much green to work with and probably many other considerations that I've not thought of.

The best advice is to find a method that works for you in pretty much every situation you find yourself in when around the green and practice it until you've got the confidence to know you'll be finishing the hole with a one putt.

Excellent post and my thoughts exactly..PS..I love my Lob Wedge

getoffthepot · 09-10-2015 10:22am

Key thoughts for me.

Good posture - i.e. no crouching.
Don't reach for it - let the arms and hands hang.
No tension in the body, relax and use big muscles - don't focus on hands and arms. Use upper body and the arms and hands will be relaxed.
Good rhythm - slow backswing, wait for it and commit to the hit.

Good luck.

bobster453 · 09-10-2015 11:48pm

If I was to have a key thought, and I dont, I think it would be dont think and get in your own way.That last bit was from Dr Bob, not this one the other one, Rotella that is

Muscle memory from lots of practice works good for me and just trust yourself.

Danny dyers double · 10-10-2015 3:45pm

I'm probably the last person to be giving advice on chipping but reading the op it reminds me of myself a lot. I'm not playing an awful lot of Golf of late but my chipping and putting has improved lately.

I came across a YouTube video which basically explained when chipping to keep ball centre of stance and to use a putting stroke to just rock the shoulders and no wrist hinge .

Plus I only chip with my 8 iron unless I have to go over heavy rough or a bunker. I think it's crazy to be taking out wedges when playing a simple bump and run.

londonred · 21-01-2019 1:45pm

Any useful tips? Dose of the blades at the moment when trying to use the 56 wedge around the green , basic question should you flick your wrists or keep them rigid from within 20 yards?

Seve OB · 21-01-2019 2:08pm

londonred wrote: »

Any useful tips? Dose of the blades at the moment when trying to use the 56 wedge around the green , basic question should you flick your wrists or keep them rigid from within 20 yards?

don't use the 56

try something flatter, 7 iron maybe

londonred · 21-01-2019 3:12pm

Seve OB wrote: »

don't use the 56

try something flatter, 7 iron maybe

I try not to use it , would use putter or 8 iron normally its last choice were need to chip onto elevated green or over some obstacles , did a bit of research and am going to check the bounce as playing a lot of links golf these days.

slave1 · 21-01-2019 4:07pm

londonred wrote: »

Any useful tips? Dose of the blades at the moment when trying to use the 56 wedge around the green , basic question should you flick your wrists or keep them rigid from within 20 yards?

Rigid, lock your hips to avoid swaying, 90% weight on left foot (assume you're right handed) and never slow down through impact

BoardsMember · 21-01-2019 5:02pm

Or give up golf, that's what I did. Three years ago. And every time I see a question on chipping I feel a tremendous sense of relief and vindication, it used to cause me so much angst.

Keano · 21-01-2019 5:08pm

BoardsMember wrote: »

Or give up golf, that's what I did. Three years ago. And every time I see a question on chipping I feel a tremendous sense of relief and vindication, it used to cause me so much angst.

Seriously ? You gave up because of it?

BoardsMember · 21-01-2019 5:13pm

Ah not really. Was slightly disingenuous/light hearted. I got to 8 hcap and never really practised. Chipping became a problem, yips. Ended up having to play like god to keep the handicap. Lost the love of the game a little, and found a new sport that I love. Now I play once a year on a trip with the lads and I really enjoy it, and that does it for me on the golf front, I don't miss it at all and would often feel relieved not to be playing. Still can't chip!

Keano · 21-01-2019 5:19pm

BoardsMember wrote: »

Ah not really. Was slightly disingenuous/light hearted. I got to 8 hcap and never really practised. Chipping became a problem, yips. Ended up having to play like god to keep the handicap. Lost the love of the game a little, and found a new sport that I love. Now I play once a year on a trip with the lads and I really enjoy it, and that does it for me on the golf front, I don't miss it at all and would often feel relieved not to be playing. Still can't chip!

Now I have to ask what sport is better than golf?!!

billy3sheets · 21-01-2019 6:17pm

Keano wrote: »

Now I have to ask what sport is better than golf?!!

There can surely only be 1 answer!
HURLING!

mjsc1970 · 21-01-2019 8:26pm

londonred wrote: »

Any useful tips? Dose of the blades at the moment when trying to use the 56 wedge around the green , basic question should you flick your wrists or keep them rigid from within 20 yards?

https://youtu.be/CyWEhCyyaYY

Takes a bit if practice, but it sorted my head out.

mjsc1970 · 21-01-2019 8:26pm

mjsc1970 wrote: »

londonred wrote: »

Any useful tips? Dose of the blades at the moment when trying to use the 56 wedge around the green , basic question should you flick your wrists or keep them rigid from within 20 yards?

https://youtu.be/CyWEhCyyaYY

Takes a bit if practice, but it sorted my head out.

Just Google Jason day chipping

londonred · 23-01-2019 3:28pm

Looks like there is 2 methods Michelson hinge and hold the wrists and Day no wrists going to give both a go with a bag of balls at the weekend.

spacecoyote · 23-01-2019 5:29pm

londonred wrote: »

Looks like there is 2 methods Michelson hinge and hold the wrists and Day no wrists going to give both a go with a bag of balls at the weekend.

I'd say that Day's is likely a simpler method. A lot of times, amateurs, especially when trying to get the chips airborne, can get too wristy & handsy, resulting in those bladed, thin shots you were referring to.

Days method should lock in the angle of the clubface that you're returning to the ball & result in a more consistent strike...for someone struggling.

One tip I'd seen, is, in essence, almost feel like you're delivering your putting stroke with the wedge (so similar to Day, remove the wristiness from the swing), and just look to brush the grass under the ball. That one technique will work with any club, with the different lofted clubs delivering the different flight.

And as Slave mentioned previously, make sure its a committed stroke that accelerates through impact

newindublin · 31-01-2019 8:49pm

For me, I converted to the hinge and hold this year. Like anything in golf it took time and practice, but I have been happy with the results. Much better and more consistent chips, and even a few chip ins.

gypsy79 · 01-02-2019 4:11pm

Get yourself a jigger in sports direct. I use it early season before moving to using the range of clubs as I build confidence

benny79 · 01-02-2019 4:59pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

Get yourself a jigger in sports direct. I use it early season before moving to using the range of clubs as I build confidence

Thats just wrong....

gypsy79 · 01-02-2019 5:07pm

benny79 wrote: »

Thats just wrong....

Lol. May not be cool. But scorecards don’t have pics

Anyone struggling with chipping is mental not use one

Also was brilliant when ground was burnt and wedge shots were very tough

Scott Tenorman · 01-02-2019 5:19pm

Visualise the type of shot you want to hit, hit down on the ball (ball first then ground), DO NOT DECELERATE, practice, practice, practice.

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