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F1 2021 Round 5 : Monaco GP

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    #122
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,075 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    For the way he crashed the outcome he had was close to as bad as it could be. IF one were doing that deliberately one would expect to run straight on and only really damage the front.

    There's no damning evidence but on balance it looks deliberate to me.

    Latifi had the same incident in FP3 by turning a fraction early at that same corner, clipping the barrier and wrecking his car. Was that deliberate too?


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    #123
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    There has always been an underbelly around here to undermine LeClerc and question if he's good enough.

    Think anyone suggesting he did this on purpose is mad. There are so many other ways he could have done this without damaging his car and risking a gearbox change.


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    #124
    pjohnson
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    Theres far easier ways to get the session red flagged than doing that.


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    #125
    ACitizenErased
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    The fact that the discussion as to whether it was deliberate is even happening is utterly ludicrous


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    #126
    Frank Bullitt
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    Cracking qualy.

    It gives you hope for the race...but let's be real here.


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    #127
    Jordan 199
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    Ferrari said they will make a decision about Leclerc's gearbox tomorrow, but it has no serious damage.


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    #128
    Inquitus
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    Jordan 199 wrote: »
    Ferrari said they will make a decision about Leclerc's gearbox tomorrow, but it has no serious damage.

    If they think there's no damage then they have to stick with it, if he takes a 5 place grid penalty he has no chance of winning.


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    #129
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,075 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Jordan 199 wrote: »
    Ferrari said they will make a decision about Leclerc's gearbox tomorrow, but it has no serious damage.

    Which would indicate there's some damage. Probably a choice between putting in a new gearbox, taking the 5 place grid penalty but having virtually no chance of winning versus driving with the gearbox as is from pole and hoping it doesn't fail during the race. I'd risk it if I was them.


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    #130
    Guffy
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    If they change the gearbox and gets the penalty... does Max then officially finish pole or does ferrari keep the pole stat?


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    #131
    TheQ_Man
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    Guffy wrote: »
    If they change the gearbox and gets the penalty... does Max then officially finish pole or does ferrari keep the pole stat?

    Yup. It happened in 2012 with Schumacher. Webber got the pole


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    #132
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    I'll say it again but Ted is a giant plonker. Apart from his punch-able face he really loves trying to stir up and make drama.

    Yeah, he couldn't leave it alone. Actually made me like toto a bit more that he publicly rubbished any thoughts of it being done intentionally. He could have easily dodged the question and left it all open for media to keep suggesting it. Fair play toto


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    #133
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    What did Toto say?


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    #134
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    What did Toto say?

    That it would be silly to have such an impact like that intentionally.


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    #135
    Joeface
    Registered Users Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Even Nico told Ted to stop just before qualifing as he (Ted) seem to look for an accident to throw a spanner into qualifing. As the years go on he has be come more and more of a Tabloid rag journalist.


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    #136
    johnnysmack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭johnnysmack


    Joeface wrote: »
    Even Nico told Ted to stop just before qualifing as he (Ted) seem to look for an accident to throw a spanner into qualifing. As the years go on he has be come more and more of a Tabloid rag journalist.

    Nico is terrific. Lazenby made a smart remark at some stage and Nico straight up said 'that's not funny'. More Nico either on commentary or as a presenter would be great as he's always bang on with his insights and doesn't tolerate the tabloid crap banter that many of the sky crew are guilty of.


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    #137
    chicorytip
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    I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.


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    #138
    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭Harika


    chicorytip wrote: »
    I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

    Someone should check on Leclerc simulator if he practiced to crash without damaging gearbox/engine.

    Btw this whole garbage was started by Crofty with his statement Charles might be on pole if he doesn't get a gearbox penalty


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    #139
    RunningFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    Just caught up now. No way did he do it intentionally IMO but I was a bit surprised by the celebratory reaction afterward from Ferrari and Charles. I understand it’s his home GP so a huge achievement but thought he would be more downbeat having damaged the car quite significantly.

    I hope for him he does start on pole, but either way a cracking session and a great lineup in top-10.

    Hope there’s some action of some sort tomorrow!

    PS. +1 for the Rosberg commentary, really enjoyed his inputs


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    #140
    Joeseph Balls
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

    So skillful that he can hit a barrier, break the steering rod, go across track, smack the front of the car, followed by a lesser bang to the rear, just enough to not damage the gearbox, to get pole.
    Yet not skillful enough to finish a Monaco GP yet?


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    #141
    [Deleted User]
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    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    So skillful that he can hit a barrier, break the steering rod, go across track, smack the front of the car, followed by a lesser bang to the rear, just enough to not damage the gearbox, to get pole.
    Yet not skillful enough to finish a Monaco GP yet?

    The damage he got was about as bad as you'd expect from that kind of accident. Most of the time hitting the inside barrier like that would just mean front-end damage.


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    #142
    mikeorange
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

    I don't think it was but what a lap he put in.

    Almost sub 1:10 and nearly a lap record, which I thought would be impossible as cars are clearly slower than last year and 2019


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    #143
    Joeseph Balls
    Registered Users Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭Joeseph Balls


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The damage he got was about as bad as you'd expect from that kind of accident. Most of the time hitting the inside barrier like that would just mean front-end damage.

    Most of the time.
    But to say it was intentional is a bit much. There is other places he could have dumped it if he was skillful enough.
    It's convenient, yes. Intentional due to his skill, no.


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    #144
    Joeseph Balls
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    mikeorange wrote: »
    I don't think it was but what a lap he put in.

    Almost sub 1:10 and nearly a lap record, which I thought would be impossible as cars are clearly slower than last year and 2019

    He said on channel 4 this weekend is a once off. Leaves it very interesting for tomorrow


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    #145
    El_Duderino 09
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

    Ah lads, come on.
    It looked like the kind of accident that happens every year in Monaco. Latifi did it yesterday. Verstappen did it in quali a few years ago. It happens.

    But where did the notion that it could have damaged the gearbox come form? He didn't hit the barrier at very high speed and didn't hit the back end much at all. Sounds like total made up, click-bait guff to me and Ferrari said it's no bother to the gearbox.


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    #146
    Faugheen
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Ah lads, come on.
    It looked like the kind of accident that happens every year in Monaco. Latifi did it yesterday. Verstappen did it in quali a few years ago. It happens.

    But where did the notion that it could have damaged the gearbox come form? He didn't hit the barrier at very high speed and didn't hit the back end much at all. Sounds like total made up, click-bait guff to me and Ferrari said it's no bother to the gearbox.

    I think the concern for the gearbox comes in due to a close (and quite exposed) proximity to the rear suspension.

    I don't know the full ins and outs of the car though and that was something that was suggested to me. Happy to be corrected on that.


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    #147
    [Deleted User]
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    Ya need to smash your rear axle or have direct impact to the gearbox to cause a real problem.


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    #148
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ya need to smash your rear axle or have direct impact to the gearbox to cause a real problem.

    Roseberg had asked leclerc if what he heard was true in that the drive shaft popped out but leclerc had no info.


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    #149
    tigerboon
    Registered Users Posts: 721 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    Can a thread be opened in the conspiracy theory forum on this. The Ferrari performed better than it did in 2 years. Why would he put it through a rebuild and risk a lesser set up for tomorrow. He's really an exceptional driver if he can calculate the damage from a deliberate crash and know he'll hold a position.


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    #150
    namloc1980
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    .

    The car is ok. The conspiracy theorists will be going into overdrive.


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    #151
    PukkaStukka
    Registered Users Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    namloc1980 wrote: »

    The car is ok. The conspiracy theorists will be going into overdrive.
    Glad to hear he's starting on pole. Some of those conspiracy theories on social media are both ridiculous and downright scurrilous


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