UFC 262: Oliveira vs. Chandler

mailburner · 17-05-2021 12:04pm

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The main reason that Islam Makachev doesn't have any big name wins is that nobody wants to fight him. He's in a very similar spot to where Kamaru Usman was in early 2018 - 7 fight win streak in the UFC but a ranking lower than his abilities probably merit. That creates a lose-lose scenario for any of the top fighters to take a fight with him which makes it difficult for him to progress.

Usman's career took off at that point and I think Makachev's will now too.

His upcoming fight with Moises after beating Dober had me scratching my head unless there actually was nobody else.

I was thinking rda or even hooker would have been the perfect next step...even Felder.

Rjd2 · 17-05-2021 1:34pm

mailburner wrote: »

His upcoming fight with Moises after beating Dober had me scratching my head unless there actually was nobody else.

I was thinking rda or even hooker would have been the perfect next step...even Felder.

He's pulled out of plenty of fights, so I assume for high profile opponents not much upside to fighting him.

Basically am unknow killer who is likely to pull out before he fights you, no thanks. :P

Mellor · 17-05-2021 3:47pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well the same Pettis beat Oliveira and beat Wonderboy right after the loss to Tony.

How does that have any bearing on Tony’s poor performance?
I didn’t claim Pettis wasn’t a good fighter. He was. The point was the best performance you could list, was one where he scraped past an injured opponent.

And Oliveria losing 5 years ago? Charlie was a top 5 fighter then. He wasn’t even in the lightweight division. Grasping at straws there.

StringerBell · 17-05-2021 4:32pm

Happy Oliveira got the W, he definitely deserved to be in a title fight given his run, Chandler? Well, I think his chin has always been suspect but still surprised to see him lose by TKO in this one. Did he deserve the fight? No of course not, but who else was gonna be in the title fight? The division had to move on and Poirier turned it down, I'd have give it to Justin personally but can understand why it went to Chandler. Dana wants a return on that investment.

Tony is done at the top level, he has given us some great moments over the years but I'd be more inclined to agree with Mellor that he was never actually immense or anything. He has incredible endurance and is tough as nails but he has always been too open, too sloppy and it has cost him when it comes to the top level guys. Now he has lost a step he is looking worse against the below the top tier guys I guess.

The bonus for Chandler having lost, which I think he took brilliantly btw, is that he has plenty of fights available in the division and if they are going to wait it out and give the next shot to whoever wins the DP/CM match then I'd like to see him matched up with Gaethje next.

eagle eye · 17-05-2021 5:16pm

Mellor wrote:

How does that have any bearing on Tonyâ€™s poor performance? I didnâ€™t claim Pettis wasnâ€™t a good fighter. He was. The point was the best performance you could list, was one where he scraped past an injured opponent.

And Oliveria losing 5 years ago? Charlie was a top 5 fighter then. He wasnâ€™t even in the lightweight division. Grasping at straws there.

Well my memory of that fight is Tony dominating for most of it.

Tazzimus · 17-05-2021 5:23pm

We have different opinions on what dominating means, it seems.

ASOT · 17-05-2021 5:47pm

Tony was getting beat and nearly finished until Pettis broke his hand.

18-05-2021 12:43am

"IT'S TIGHT"
"IT'S TIGHT!!!"
*head pops free*

"Ya know, in this situation we can't get up"
*Chandler pops up to his feet*

Gotta love the commentary. :pac:

Nice main event. Better watched on mute though. :P

RulesOfNature · 18-05-2021 12:44am

ASOT wrote: »

Tony was getting beat and nearly finished until Pettis broke his hand.

Do you think that hand broke out of nowhere ?

MidlanderMan · 18-05-2021 1:18am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Do you think that hand broke out of nowhere ?

Ah yeah Tony's genius defensive positioning lead to Pettis cracking his hand off Tony's fat head.

Ffs.

Mellor · 18-05-2021 1:19am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Do you think that hand broke out of nowhere ?

Do you think Tony broke it?

eagle eye wrote: »

Well my memory of that fight is Tony dominating for most of it.

Luckily we don't have to rely our memories. We have the video of the fight.
Posting it above, must have been missed. This clips sums up everything that is the madness of Tony Ferguson.

https://streamable.com/hg69h

RulesOfNature · 18-05-2021 2:03am

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Ah yeah Tony's genius defensive positioning lead to Pettis cracking his hand off Tony's fat head.

Ffs.

Dunno what you're even trying to say here. Tony's chin is so good he broke Pettis' hand?

Whats wrong with you people - trying to turn a victory into a loss.

Tony was a good fighter and he beat many fighters. This isn't hard to accept.

RulesOfNature · 18-05-2021 2:04am

Mellor wrote: »

Do you think Tony broke it?

Pettis' hand would've broken whether he was fighting Ferguson that night or lying in bed. Clearly its God's work, and has nothing to do with literally high impact martial arts against a good fighter.

Mellor · 18-05-2021 3:32am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Pettis' hand would've broken whether he was fighting Ferguson that night or lying in bed. Clearly its God's work, and has nothing to do with literally high impact martial arts against a good fighter.

You really can't grasp the difference between Pettis breaking his own hand, and Tony breaking Pettis's hand?

Some injuries are caused by active defensive skill.
Breaking somebody hand with your face is not one of them.

RulesOfNature · 18-05-2021 3:44am

Mellor wrote: »

You really can't grasp the difference between Pettis breaking his own hand, and Tony breaking Pettis's hand?

Some injuries are caused by active defensive skill.
Breaking somebody hand with your face is not one of them.

Yes, and JFK died from brain trauma. The bullet was just there by coincidence.

Pal, Pettis broke his hand fighting Ferguson. End of. Enough with the this or that semantics.

Mellor · 18-05-2021 4:14am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Yes, and JFK died from brain trauma. The bullet was just there by coincidence.

Pal, Pettis broke his hand fighting Ferguson. End of. Enough with the this or that semantics.

You seem to have trouble with comprehending a pretty simply point.
Nobody suggested for a second that it didn't happen in a fight verses Ferguson.

Axwell · 18-05-2021 4:54am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Do you think that hand broke out of nowhere ?

As was asked before, do you think Tony broke it? Like that it was part of some gameplan going into the fight that he would somehow break Pettis hand!?

Not sure if you are actually trolling or just missing the point of the conversation. The conversation involves someone saying Ferguson dominated Pettis. If you are getting smacked around the place and then only go on to scrape the fight because the other fighter has a broken hand thats a pretty weak example of dominating another fighter, especially if using that to highlight one of their best performances.

No one is turning the win into a loss, but its not hard to see its not a ‘dominant’ performance watching the fight and taking things into account.

eagle eye · 18-05-2021 6:34am

Mellor wrote:

Luckily we don't have to rely our memories. We have the video of the fight. Posting it above, must have been missed. This clips sums up everything that is the madness of Tony Ferguson.

How did you score those two rounds?

I'd have it 20-17 to Ferguson.

Mellor · 18-05-2021 8:43am

eagle eye wrote: »

How did you score those two rounds?

I'd have it 20-17 to Ferguson.

It was 2 and a half years ago. I honestly don't remember how I scored it on the night. And I don't believe that you are recalling your actual score either.

But I remember being a great fight. Back and forth. Tony look to be losing early, but came back and finished strong. He looked like death before the fight, but gastank was good.
A close fight, where Duke made the call to pull Pettis due to the broken hand.

Tazzimus · 18-05-2021 9:31am

eagle eye wrote: »

How did you score those two rounds?

I'd have it 20-17 to Ferguson.

You should be a UFC judge, with scoring like that.

EagererBeaver · 18-05-2021 9:41am

eagle eye wrote: »

If Dariush is 5 and Oliveira and Chandler are ahead of him the division is on a bad state.
Right now for me the top fighters on the division are Poirier, Gaethje and RDA.
I'd personally rate Mackhachev and Gillespie as next best after those three.

Can we go back to this please. RDA?! After having one fight at LW in nearly 5 years (along with quite a few losses at WW) and he's top 3?!

yourdeadwright · 18-05-2021 10:20am

Oliveira is great to watch and can be very slick but I don't see him holding on to the title very long,

Chandlers fantastic debut seemed to make a lot of people over estimate how good he is,

I reckon the winner of Dustin & Conor (likely Dustin but even Conor ) becomes the next champion

Homelander · 18-05-2021 11:33am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Chandlers fantastic debut seemed to make a lot of people over estimate how good he is,

He is good though. No-one really over-estimated him, if anything he was somewhat under-estimated, a lot of talk was about how Bellator "isn't the UFC".

Yeah, he lost, but he almost got it done in Round 1 and it was a phenomenal first round in general.

It was a fantastic debut but it was also a fantastic title fight IMO. Chandler doesn't lose any cred in my eyes.

yourdeadwright · 18-05-2021 11:36am

Homelander wrote: »

He is good though. No-one really over-estimated him, if anything he was somewhat under-estimated, a lot of talk was about how Bellator "isn't the UFC".

Yeah, he lost, but he almost got it done in Round 1 and it was a phenomenal first round in general.

It was a fantastic debut but it was also a fantastic title fight IMO. Chandler doesn't lose any cred in my eyes.

Chandler is a bit like Eddie to me ,he is fun to watch and has some good wins but when he steps up he will lose,

I also think Olivera can be hurt and someone like Dustin, Conor Even Justin won't let him off the hook ,

Chandler v Justin would be a great watch,

derfderf · 19-05-2021 1:01am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Chandler is a bit like Eddie to me ,he is fun to watch and has some good wins but when he steps up he will lose.

I think the step up part is wrong. Chandler's not a man I'll bet on any time soon. He's gonna win fights nobody expects him to win, and lose fights that seem straightforward. Similar to Eddie.

Beersmith · 19-05-2021 8:17am

Step up is a bit of a strange comment alright. Eddie was the champ!

yourdeadwright · 19-05-2021 4:11pm

Beersmith wrote: »

Step up is a bit of a strange comment alright. Eddie was the champ!

Eddie was a champ & no disrespect to him at all,
These guys are some of top fighters in the world without question & I don't want to come across as downplaying that they are elite but I just think there is a few guys on a level above that,

Eddie for me was always going to be a transitional champ & never hold it for any great period, again no disrespect as he got to the top of the mountain ,

UFC 262: Oliveira vs. Chandler

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