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The 70's and 80's in Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    Feck lads.....13 pages since yesterday....cant read it all, but my tuppence worth (as a guy who lived his formative years in the 80s)....

    Music BRILL

    Movies BRILL

    Clothes RUBBISH !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Those on the dole used to get a voucher for a free pound of butter each week as there was an EU "butter mountain".

    They all got excited when they heard that there was also an EU "wine lake" and were expecting another voucher every week.

    Sadly that never materialised :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    archer22 wrote: »
    Those on the dole used to get a voucher for a free pound of butter each week as there was an EU "butter mountain".

    They all got excited when they heard that there was also an EU "wine lake" and were expecting another voucher every week.

    Sadly that never materialised :pac:

    You could use Butter Vouchers to buy smokes in Finglas/ and you could buy a loose from a shop that was a van with no wheels 8p I think but that sounds a bit expensive


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Chocolate cigarettes :) Some politicians would have a meltdown if these were still around. I can hear the screeching already

    Half penny coins. Always useful for your penny sweets and yes a penny sweet cost a penny

    Opal fruits & marathon were the names, bring em back!

    Lucozade was for sick people, not a treat for your lunch. Also came in a large glass bottle. These bottles were often used later to store holy water.

    Club shandy. It was in a brown can. Again this wouldn't be allowed these days as it had beer though it was probably 0.00001%. They still have the orange, lemon but the shandy is no more. Probably poor sales as it was disgusting (possibly 90's not sure)

    Cavan cola, alas no more :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    I loved McDonalds as a kid. It was a real treat. Now some families practically raise their children on fast food and that -
    combined with little outdoor play - is a major reason why we have a childhood obesity problem.

    I remember some friend of my mam's from when they lived in Belfast in the 60s as young women coming to visit from the States with her son in the mid 80s - she was a very stylish MILF and he was a tall, tanned good looking 16 year old lad with perfect teeth and my big sister had a crush on him (she'd be morto now at that lol:D) - they lived in Cleveland, Ohio. I remember him telling me that his city had 25 McDonalds when Dublin had only about 4 or 5 at the time. I couldn't get my head around that!! 25 MaccyDs in one city alone - it seemed amazing to a 10 year old lad in 1985.

    I also remember my Dad going to New York on a business trip in circa 1984 and he came back with walkmans for my two older sisters and myself. They were super cool! Massive chunky Sanyo things but my mates were mad jealous. I still have mine after 34 years and I bet if I put batteries in it - it would still work.

    Anyone remember Soda Stream?:o

    I remember it well. We had it in our house.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I went researching Sodastream recently, to see if I could use it to get sparkling water without the plastic bottles. It turns out that they've just stopped doing the flavoured syrups, so sparkling water is actually all it can do, much to the frustration of many existing owners. The sparkling water would be something twice the price via the Sodastream than the plastic bottle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭dasdog


    I only really remember the mid/late 80's.

    The Good
    So many concerts from the age of 13. Metallica were even good back then.
    ZX Spectrum or C64 for the posher kids. VHS.
    Playing in the streets. Kerbs, heads and volleys. Disappearing for hours on end on your bike with friends.
    There was a real sense of togetherness. We were a very proud but troubled nation.

    The Bad
    The smog before the introduction of smokeless coal. It was like a Dickens novel some nights.
    Parts of Dublin city centre were completely derelict. People give out about Temple Bar now. It was an absolute dump in 1988.
    Food was pretty terrible for most.

    The Ugly
    Unemployment, poverty, fighting, joyriders, glue sniffers, heroin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭NUTLEY BOY


    1984 - the top rate of income tax was 65% (sic) plus national insurance on top of that.

    Some people were sentenced to death.

    As far as I remember there was actually a bar in UCD Belfield.:)

    Elephant flares.

    Friday evenings in Dun Laoghaire or the North Wall looking at people leaving on one way tickets.

    The giant blue double doors of the employment exchange in Gardiner Street - a very busy place in the 1980s particularly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Wibbely Wobbley Wonders


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    The days before health and safety...remember it as a child siting on top of the square bales of hay on a trailer as my factor brought the hay home to the haybarn.
    Sitting on top of the bales, ducking down to avoid tree branches and cables crossing the road...
    We also had some epic lightning storms, never saw so much lightning close up as I did in 1985, was just happy to survive that.
    Overall as a child it was fun times on a farm.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Assassination attempts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    What was it like in the 1980's in Ireland?

    I have seen pictures, video and my god it looked like a depressing place. :eek:

    Grey, delapidated, hopeless.

    What was it like? How did you get by without internets, wheelie bins, toilets...?

    Would you go back if you could??

    *Might as well throw in the 70's too for people of that vintage.

    No toilets on the 80’s? It might come as a surprise to you but most houses has toilets in the 60’s. No central heating in the 70’s though so it was a hot water bottle to heat the bed with chilblains as a result and huddle around the stove to get some heat before it disappeared through the uninsulated walls and roof. People survived it and hardly any complaining or sense of entitlement like people have nowadays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭oceanman


    not getting beat over the head with endless rules and regulations form the nanny state we live in now..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    Butter vouchers were still going well into the late 90's, up until around 1998.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    No toilets on the 80’s? It might come as a surprise to you but most houses has toilets in the 60’s. No central heating in the 70’s though so it was a hot water bottle to heat the bed with chilblains as a result and huddle around the stove to get some heat before it disappeared through the uninsulated walls and roof. People survived it and hardly any complaining or sense of entitlement like people have nowadays.

    I think a lot of new houses had toilets but I know lots of rural farm houses and they simply didn't have toilets or install them right away.
    I know a few people and the district nurse basically made people get them when they got older in the 2000's.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    last day of school before the summer holidays and then 2 months off, being told by your mum to get out of the house and don't come back till lunch time


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    JupiterKid wrote: »

    Anyone remember Soda Stream?:o

    They're all the rage again. Just for water mind you, no one in their right mind would use those disgusting syrups, even though they're still available and with new "organic" flavours now.
    Had a few over the last few years. The amount of fücking rubbish from plastic water bottles is one thing I absolutely don't miss.

    On topic:
    Bottles of water, soft drinks and beer in crates that where reusable and you paid a deposit on.
    Why the absolute fcuk does everything have to be throwaway plastic bottles these days?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Those weird Eastern European cartoons RTE would show as filler between programmes, National Film board Of Canada animated shorts and these.






    Ah good old Rolek and Bolek


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    News beginning with...

    The body of a man has been found in the Shankill rd area of East Belfast..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Playing football all day and then having next goal the winner when the scores 23-17 but your being called for dinner


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Edgware wrote: »
    News beginning with...

    The body of a man has been found in the Shankill rd area of East Belfast..

    keyholders in the area please come to your premises


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    I was born in 1972.

    One phone in the village in the 70s, in the Big House. The porch would be left open at night in case anyone needed to make an emergency call to the doctor.

    Went to a primary school heated by open fires until the early 80s. Kids from senior infants on were expected to set these fires each day. Parents provided the turf.

    Kids from 3rd-6th Class were expected to boil the kettle/set the table and wash up after teachers' lunch. In fairness, they made the boys do this as well as the girls.

    Few of us had cars as most fathers worked in England for nine month's of the year. My dad sent me letters and comics each week, but as a young child I had often forgotten what he looked like by the time he came home each December. His return was a bigger event than Christmas, as he arrived with a boot full of toys. It was fantastic when he found a job in Ireland in the 80s and could come home at weekends.

    Photographs were a rarity in the 70s and you wouldn't waste film on anything other than a special occasion. Nobody even bothered to take any for my Christening. Christenings were held within a couple of weeks of birth, out of a genuine fear that the child might die and end up in limbo.

    As few of us had cars everything came to your door, There were several mobile shops, butcher, milkman, travelling banks, dry cleaners etc.

    Holidays consisted of relatives from abroad coming back to stay with us each summer.

    Parcels of hand me downs from the American/British cousins were always received with excitement and delight.I was the only girl in my class to have a new first communion dress due to my unfortunate lack of such cousins. Many brides also wore dresses borrowed from friends or relatives.

    I look back on the early 80s with more fondness that the latter part of the decade, mainly because I hated secondary school. From day one it was impressed on us that there was nothing in this country for us and we would eventually have to leave.

    The constant message was that the world was a harsh and miserable place. We had chances that our parents never had but woe betide any of us that screwed things up. There would be no second chances. I often wonder what we could have achieved if we had a fraction of the positivity and confidence that is instilled in kids today.

    I'm still completely stunned that the boom happened before I left college and I didn't have to emigrate. Feels like I flipped over into a parallel universe in 1995.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    No toilets on the 80’s? It might come as a surprise to you but most houses has toilets in the 60’s. No central heating in the 70’s though so it was a hot water bottle to heat the bed with chilblains as a result and huddle around the stove to get some heat before it disappeared through the uninsulated walls and roof. People survived it and hardly any complaining or sense of entitlement like people have nowadays.

    By central heating are you excluding radiators?plenty of people had those.

    As for the op and toilets and wheelie bins. Of course there were toilets and wheelie bins are hardly a great advance. We should be having wheelie bins on the moon at this stage


  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    i remember the food being brutal ...i know hate the smell of bacon and cabbage


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I was born autumn 1973.

    Don't remember much about the 70s but remember all of the 80s

    The Good:
    I was young and carefree
    hanging out with friends, cycling, school summer holidays.
    Movies were great
    Music was very good
    Cartoons were great
    People socialized properly, no smartphones or social media
    Sweets and Ice-cream seemed more exciting and better value
    anything from America was larger than life and really exciting

    The Bad
    Clothes were just awful in every way.
    Hand-me-downs.
    Grey buildings, derelict buildings.
    Dreary parts of towns and cities.
    Our roads were not much better than dirt tracks with potholes everywhere.
    Lots of poverty.
    Unemployment.
    Northern Ireland Troubles.
    All irish people were tarred with the one brush due to the troubles.
    Expense of airline tickets. - No low cost flying back then.
    Lack of TV Stations other than RTE and BBC/ITV.
    Poor technology.
    School was really crap back then, lack of facilities with nothing remotely fun about it.
    Lack of variety in food. Some of the food we ate was just horrible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    i remember the food being brutal ...i know hate the smell of bacon and cabbage

    Just put it in a pot and boil it. Boil it all!

    Scummy cabbage mmmm....


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

    As far as I remember there was actually a bar in UCD Belfield.:)
    There were three there back in the early noughties!

    The SU bar, the Forum, and the Sports Bar.

    Think there's only the one remaining, and it's shite.


  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    Star Bingo wrote: »
    Just put it in a pot and boil it. Boil it all!

    Scummy cabbage mmmm....

    Fcukin cabbage i detest the stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    They're all the rage again. Just for water mind you, no one in their right mind would use those disgusting syrups, even though they're still available and with new "organic" flavours now.
    Had a few over the last few years. The amount of fücking rubbish from plastic water bottles is one thing I absolutely don't miss.

    On topic:
    Bottles of water, soft drinks and beer in crates that where reusable and you paid a deposit on.
    Why the absolute fcuk does everything have to be throwaway plastic bottles these days?

    Sometimes we seem to be going backward, very little plastic back then either meat was straight from the butcher and wrapped in brown paper. I never saw bottles of water back then, that craze didn’t start until the late 80’s.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    By central heating are you excluding radiators?plenty of people had those.

    As for the op and toilets and wheelie bins. Of course there were toilets and wheelie bins are hardly a great advance. We should be having wheelie bins on the moon at this stage
    Yeah we had oil central heating in our school in 1969, very few new houses would have central heating back then. No need for wheelie bins as there wasn’t as much plastic back then and bottles had a bounty on them for reuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    i remember the food being brutal ...i know hate the smell of bacon and cabbage

    Nothing wrong with the food as it was a lot closer to organic than the sh1te that’s around today. But having bacon and cabbage 6 days a week and chicken on Sunday wasn’t much fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Well, I had a great time and surprisingly enough we go by without the internet. I associate it with the start of Ireland reflecting on its self as a nation a lot of the staried-eyed idea of the republic began to be questioned, you had series like strumpet city on the TV, and while we always had emigration it was only when middle-class emigration became an issue in the 1980s that it became a thing in the media and general discourse in society which is interesting.
    Because there was generally one telly in a house and kids didn't have YouTube/Netflix/tablet alternatives, the whole family generally watched TV together. So kids watched the news, lots and lots of news on RTE and the UK channels. I could probably have named most of Maggie Thatcher's cabinet ministers in the UK and their roles. I doubt if mine could name the UK Prime Minister tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    topper75 wrote: »
    An Irish CB ran the rate for the punt. It was a currency/rate for OUR economy, not for a depressed German banking sector or a roaring Parisian property market. It was ours. By us, for us.

    Yet the economy was always sh1t... funny that. Inflation was 15%, interest rates if you could even get a mortgage (needed to be saving regularly for years, that's why people stayed engaged for years) were 20%, sounds good if you were lucky enough to have savings but a devaluation could slash their value overnight and whack up the price of fuel and all imported goods. Between that and the high inflation the value of wages fell rapidly so there were constant strikes. Great days, who needs a solid currency like the euro :rolleyes:

    We had a lock on our phone - 3 teenagers in the house and me dad going through every call on the phone bill saw to that. Electrical appliances being bought from the ESB shop and paid in installments on the bill. Most people I knew rented their TVs.

    There were no itemised bills in the 70s or 80s. They came along well enough into the 90s IIRC and for the first few years you had to pay extra! So you just got a bill saying X number of units, it didn't even break down between local calls, trunk calls or international. People would be terrified of getting a big phone bill. On our road there were 300 houses and I'd say less than ten of them had a phone. There always used to be people calling in to use our phone and we had a coinbox beside it they'd put 20p into. The public phones would either be vandalised or have a queue. Many of our neighbours (N.B. this was in Dublin city) were on a waiting list for a phone for ten years by the time they put in more lines in the late 80s and they could finally get a phone. Every few months my aunt used to come over to our house to ring her sister in England, she used to get the call put through through the operator (could have dialled direct) so the operator could tell her at the end how much it cost and she'd give my mother the money. A 30-40 minute call used to cost a few pounds.

    After my dad died in 1985 my mother was able to get her job back (had to resign when she got married) and there was no tax allowance for widows or widowers in those days so she was taxed as a single person. 65% income tax on a modest enough income, with levies and PRSI on top of that and two teenagers to feed and put through school. Luckily we'd bought the house a few years earlier off the corporation, my mother inherited a bit of money and paid off the balance of the mortgage, it was £500 or something. I remember my mother going around to the rent office (it was a house a couple of streets away) every week paying the corporation mortgage, it was something like £4, if you were just renting it was £2.

    I remember the old Lady Lavery pound notes (we used to call her Lady Lavatory :p ) but you felt rich if you had 50p. Even a 10p (the old big ones, same as the old two shilling coin) felt like a proper bit of money, they had a hefty enough weight to them. The line in Rat Trap "He reaches in his pocket, he finds 50p" had real meaning because finding a 50p was a big enough deal, bag of chips and a bus fare home and a bit left.

    CBI_-_SERIES_A_-_ONE_POUND_NOTE.PNG

    220px-Irish_fifty_pence_%28decimal_coin%29.png

    Highlight of the week in the 80s was Sunday afternoons watching MT USA on the black and white portable (weren't allowed watch it on the "big" 20" rented colour TV)

    Scrap the cap!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with the food as it was a lot closer to organic than the sh1te that’s around today. But having bacon and cabbage 6 days a week and chicken on Sunday wasn’t much fun.

    Were an awful lot less tubby feckers about in the 80s

    Saying that once someone hit 70 they looked about 100. Most pensioners back then resembled Eamon dunphy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,156 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Unemployment hit 20 percent in the 80s. The dole was so small it was hardly worth collecting it. You definitely wouldn't be seen in a pub if you were on the dole. You just couldn't afford it. You actually had to queue up weekly to collect the dole. Not unlike the dole scene in the commitments. Apprenticeship wages were tiny. You definitely wouldn't be buying a car with spoiler & alloys.

    The 80s were bad times but for the most part we were happy enough because we'd never seen boom times. The crash in the 0s was worse in that we had boom times & when it was taken away we missed it.

    Oh yeah we had naff hairstyle


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    zapitastas wrote: »
    Were an awful lot less tubby feckers about in the 80s

    Saying that once someone hit 70 they looked about 100. Most pensioners back then resembled Eamon dunphy.

    Probably down to poorer nutrition, limited healthcare, and for many a combination of hard outdoor labour and lack of sunscreen. First time I remember seeing sunscreen in the chemist was in 1988. Many considered me mad for using the highest factor available then-factor 15


  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    archer22 wrote: »
    Those on the dole used to get a voucher for a free pound of butter each week as there was an EU "butter mountain".

    They all got excited when they heard that there was also an EU "wine lake" and were expecting another voucher every week.

    Sadly that never materialised :pac:

    used to bring that voucher into a local shop and get 10 john player blue for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Saw this video on YT - Gardiner Street Dublin, 1979. The video seems to be lamenting the demolition of these buildings (families "turfed into" new homes etc.) i don't know the history here but find it amazing that this footage is from only 40 years ago - a long time but not that long. The 8 mm film and the music probably contribute to the impression of this being a very different Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Chomp & Wham Bars


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    Chomp & Wham Bars

    Still available


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    I wouldn't buy a lot of the nostalgia about those times. In many ways, Ireland is a far better place. One thing worth missing though is how relatively easier it was for young people to afford to be independent back then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭buzsywuzsy


    By central heating are you excluding radiators?plenty of people had those.

    As for the op and toilets and wheelie bins. Of course there were toilets and wheelie bins are hardly a great advance. We should be having wheelie bins on the moon at this stage

    I’m an 80’s baby so some of my memories run into the mid 90’s.
    Speaking of wheelie bins, I remember plastic bags being tangled on fences of fields everywhere. Every Saturday with Dad we’d go with a trailer of rubbish to the dump,the place stinking with everything and anything thrown there. We had a barrel in the back garden that was used to burn rubbish in from time to time.
    We didn’t get a house phone until 1995 so if the relations needed to contact us they rang our neighbour’s phone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Being hot and and horny on Saturday nights in 1975/76 in my father's Morris Minor that he was brave and trustworthy enough to give me.




    Was this you and yer mates? :D

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    I think a lot of new houses had toilets but I know lots of rural farm houses and they simply didn't have toilets or install them right away.
    I know a few people and the district nurse basically made people get them when they got older in the 2000's.
    Where on earth did you grow up??

    I'm from the countryside and at worst, people had an outdoor toilet. I can only think of one house where they had no toilet and it was owned by a fella who was a bit useless anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,517 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Where on earth did you grow up??

    I'm from the countryside and at worst, people had an outdoor toilet. I can only think of one house where they had no toilet and it was owned by a fella who was a bit useless anyway.

    Plenty of places, usually owned by old bachelor farmers had no toilets. Go to the usual ditch and bring newspaper...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    There were uncivilised farmers where I lived too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    I don't remember the 80s as being grey and depressing. I was only a child though so I wasn't privy to worries about the grocery bills or interest rates.

    We played outdoors a lot more than kids do now and have a lot of great memories of that. I don't remember feeling bored too often. Not having children's TV or YouTube on tap 24 hours a day meant that we found other ways to entertain ourselves.

    Clothes for young people certainly weren't grey. The same sort of neon t-shirts that are around now were the fashion then. Same with those t-shirts with the slogans, the ripped jeans and the glasses that are in fashion now.

    The local corner shop stocked penny sweets that were basically e-numbers packaged in little baubles. The same with the crisps and various bars. I bet there isn't the same kick off them these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Where on earth did you grow up??

    I'm from the countryside and at worst, people had an outdoor toilet. I can only think of one house where they had no toilet and it was owned by a fella who was a bit useless anyway.

    I can think of houses in Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Laois, Tipperary.
    They were older farm houses in generally mainly with a galvanised roof. They'd have being built before toilets became mainstream and they simply weren't installed.
    The people had a pot or commode in there room for night time and they ventured out during the day to do their business. These people raised kids/teenagers in these house who got on fairly well in life and they mightn't have advertised it at school tough. They weren't exactly all bachelor farmers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭McCrack


    The wooden spoon!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Putting the milk bottles out pain in the ar#e


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