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6 Time Graffiti Tag Attack Victim!

  • 12-01-2014 1:09pm
    #1
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭


    As the title says, my van has been targeted at least 5 times by taggers (actually lost track but it's at least 5 times, pictures have numbers to indicate attack number). Also the ? is a bit of signwriting that was hanging off, this could have been anything so don't want to say it was someone walking by, but you never know :) I don't believe there's any motive other than a clean van in a somewhat dark and hidden parking place. I've never fallen out with anyone in the area and would be a peaceful and friendly enough lad. I can even appreciate the artistic effort and styles of some of the better graffiti out there, but this is beginning to annoy me.

    It's not like I run a huge company who can just call in a cleaning crowd and knock it off as an expense every time, I've been out there scrubbing it all off myself each time and breathing in whatever chemicals I'm using and then the chemicals of course have to go somewhere after too.

    I'd really prefer not to have to park elsewhere as it's really the only spot close by I don't have to worry about a car parking behind it so I can open the tail lift etc when I need.

    Some of you may have seen my thread looking for a surveillance set up for the van which never got realised but just wondering if anyone has any suggestions to deter/identify the culprits at all and opinions what you'd do in the same situation?

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  • #2
    BMJD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    cormie wrote: »
    just wondering if anyone has any suggestions to deter/identify the culprits at all and opinions what you'd do in the same situation?

    If it is happening regularly, like a few times a week, I'd be staying in the van overnight. Then I'd introduce them to my friend Mr Baseball Bat.


  • #3
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    That's the thing, it's only happening every so often, the 6 attacks are spanning more than a year from 1st to last :(


  • #4
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,930 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    BMJD wrote: »
    If it is happening regularly, like a few times a week, I'd be staying in the van overnight. Then I'd introduce them to my friend Mr Baseball Bat.

    Dunno about the Bat as with the laws in this country the OP would be the one who'd get done :rolleyes: , but I'd probably park up across from it in a car with plenty of twinkies and coffee - stake-out style!

    The bigger problem you'll also have of course is the cops will probably have no interest in this sorta thing so you can scare them off but if they come back there's not much you can really do legally

    Irish justice system for ya :(


  • #5
    BMJD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    is CCTV on your premises or house an option?


  • #6
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I know you don't want to,but you have to park it somewhere else. That is your sole and only option in reality.


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  • #7
    Stella Virgo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 478 ✭✭Stella Virgo


    have you tried a few warning cctv stickers ,definitley worth a shot..
    http://www.ebay.ie/sch/sis.html?_kw=18x+CCTV+OPERATING+IN+THIS+VEHICLE+STICKERS+car+TAXI+BUS+van+truck+decal+caravan


  • #8
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Thanks for the replies. Ah the internet, have started to get identities of a few of them already :) They have already been reported to the Gardai too, but I'm not sure what can be done unless they are caught in the act?


  • #9
    eringobragh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭eringobragh


    Having dabbled in this dark art many many moons ago ;) I'd wager a bet these lads live close enough to you or you live close to train tracks or the like

    - pics 1 - 4 - looks like you were hit by the same lads 'HWC' crew - and one in particular CEK several times


  • #10
    projectgtr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭projectgtr


    Is the van alarmed? maybe installing a proximity sensor if you have a free slot on the alarm,while it wont stop them it might deter them


  • #11
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Keep the tags and report them to the Garda / Council. They do keep a database of the tags and occasionally when they are caught, they are produced as evidence. Not huge publicity here but definitely in the UK they are being more proactive. I know at least two guys got collared in Dun Laoghaire / Bray a few years ago, and they pulled out a massive file of previous "work".

    You could install a basic DVR system on the truck, not a problem and relatively easy to do. Depends how much you want to spend however. If you got a decent 2 or 4 channel DVR from China and some small cameras, you could get set up for about €300 I'd say. The issue is alot of these guys would cover their faces when undertaking such activities. Some don't but I'd wager your success rate would be very low.

    Alternative perhaps is a clear vinyl wrap. When sprayed, you can remove and replace the wrap. If that works out cheaper than cleaning the paint, could be an option. In addition, and I'm not expert, spray paint would have an issue adhering to some plastics / vinyls. I guarantee you 3M or similar produce a wrap that is 'anti paint' for use in industry etc.


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  • #12
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Thanks a lot for the very helpful replies everyone. The clear wrap idea is one I haven't thought of before but would probably be pricey enough and as I've signwriting on it already, may not adhere to the surface very well, also a few scratches etc from tree branches and the likes.

    Well I'm glad to say I've had some good feedback privately about this so it appears I'm not the only one. Eringobragh's wager seems close anyway (other than calling it a dark "art", there's no art here :)) They are close by and in Greystones too and it does seem there's a profile being assembled on them and it's probably only a matter of time before they are brought forward for it. Every bit of evidence like this will help I guess and probably increase any fine/community service time/jail time for them.

    They are probably nice enough lads and everything, just need to mature a bit. Although I'm a lot more forgiving than a lot of people attacked 6 times would be!


  • #13
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    A problem too is that once the vandals sees someone else tagging it they will think "fair game" so it's important to get rid of the tags pronto.
    It's referred to as "Broken windows theory" in psychology.

    You can look into "anti graffiti coating" to protect the van. They exist for buildings, not sure about vans.


  • #14
    CianRyan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Unless KERS has moved, he's from North Dublin, not Greystones so I don't think they're locals. Been about 7 years since I've talked to the lad all the same, could well be out that way.
    I'll post up in FB that you've had enough, I have a friends of friends added.

    FWIW, they probably think the van is owned by the company rather than yourself, a sort of "moral code" would say not to write on a van owned by an indavidual.
    Vans are high targets though as they move around a lot.


  • #15
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Cheers for that :) Kers is a new one, one or two of the others are local from what I've been told and one from Greystones too. I guess the question is, does the tag mean it's them, or are others copying their tags and saying "oh Kers couldn't come out tonight, we should do his too" haha.


  • #16
    CianRyan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    You get a bit of other lads throwing up theirs mates tags but I'd say if the tag's there then they were too.
    A few lads took note. :)

    Is the van near or on route to the skate park from the dart?
    You'd get a load lads into skating that are into graffiti too.


  • #17
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Don't forget to inform the Gardai. If the same tags are all over the shop on other cars and buildings the vandals hopefully will get done at some point, and they may need your statement.


  • #18
    spaceHopper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    I've read that WD40 is great at removing spray paint and pen from car bodies, not sure if it will attache the clear coat so maybe try some on the back of a door... Try leaving a note or print some on the stick them on the back windows so they know you are a one man company so maybe they will stop.


  • #19
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    WD40 is safe on car paint so you might want to give that a go.


  • #20
    cabb8ge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭cabb8ge


    CianRyan wrote: »
    ===
    FWIW, they probably think the van is owned by the company rather than yourself, a sort of "moral code" would say not to write on a van owned by an indavidual. ==.

    Some code, individual who have company with 100 vans is still an individual.


  • #21
    CianRyan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    cabb8ge wrote: »
    Some code, individual who have company with 100 vans is still an individual.

    Hence the inverted commas, I know English isn't your first language but you should have a bit of cop on before attacking a post like that.


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  • #22
    tin79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭tin79


    CianRyan wrote: »
    Hence the inverted commas, I know English isn't your first language but you should have a bit of cop on before attacking a post like that.



    I didn't think he was attacking you post IMO. Seems he was referring to the taggers behaviour rather than what you wrote specifically.


  • #23
    tin79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭tin79


    WD40 does work well to echo an above post. Takes a bit of elbow grease but it does work.


    Petrol will have it removed in seconds if you don't mind possible effects on the laquer underneath.


  • #24
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    http://buyneverwetuk.co.uk/



  • #25
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Thanks again for the replies folks. Didn't try WD40, but tried nail polish remover which works pretty well. Unfortunately I didn't do it right to begin with and what was happening is I was putting too much on and it would send streaks down the van and the streaks were the worst to get out, had I just got a thick cloth and done small circular wipingwith it, it would have been a lot cleaner and easier to get off I Think and would have covered a smaller area. The wall of the van is a kind of honeycomb material too and there's tiny little bumps and getting in here needed something stronger. I ended up using Cellulose thinner and it was a lot stronger although I'd prefer not to be using any such chemicals.

    No skate park around here from waht I know.


  • #26
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    CianRyan wrote: »
    A few lads took note. :)

    Thanks for the efforts CianRyan but seems a few lads isn't enough. Got attacked again :mad:

    Can't even make out the tags!


  • #27
    delly
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    Based on what Cian was saying that taggers can sometimes have a 'code', would a sticker stating that the business is independently owned help? Something similar to what Fastway Couriers have on their vans.


  • #28
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    Swarfega do a "Graffiti Remover" in a spray - it takes off the marker very easily. Takes seconds.


  • #29
    CianRyan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Looks like Ames maybe?
    Not someone I'm familiar with.

    A sticker to say the van is privately owned might be an idea alright.

    If you weren't with Van Tasks I'd say if you can't beat them then join them. Have the whole thing painted well by a few of our better known artists. (Maser for example)


  • #30
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    CianRyan wrote: »
    Looks like Ames maybe?
    Not someone I'm familiar with.

    A sticker to say the van is privately owned might be an idea alright.

    If you weren't with Van Tasks I'd say if you can't beat them then join them. Have the whole thing painted well by a few of our better known artists. (Maser for example)

    You have your car done, yeah?


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  • #31
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    Or kick their heads in and tell the little scrotes to go get a job


  • #32
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    cormie wrote: »
    Thanks for the efforts CianRyan but seems a few lads isn't enough. Got attacked again :mad:

    Can't even make out the tags!

    That really sucks OP.
    I find the best thing for removing marker is white spirit, its not too aggressive on skin and won't damage the paintwork. Also works wonders on tar spatter.
    Give it a try, its great stuff.


  • #33
    CianRyan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    You have your car done, yeah?

    I've been playing with the idea of a daily that I just paint myself (as above) and then leave it to get at scratched as it wants, I just need the spare cash and to get the ball rolling on my project so as not to get distracted.

    I love detailing but it gets a bit stressful over time, having a shiny and a scratchy just seems like the right idea. :p


  • #34
    scottp68877
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭scottp68877


    Don't really know what you could do to stop them but this stuff might come in handy. It's a graffiti remover.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000P0KNIE
    Seems to have good reviews and they say it leaves the original paint unharmed.


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