Faith Healer

Who Knows? · 22-08-2010 8:05pm #1

Hi,

I heard that there is a faith healer in Gort in Co. Galway. I was told he was a butcher by trade, and has healing events once a week.

Does anyone know about this guy, and can you pass me on details of how I could reach this guy. :rolleyes:

Many thanks!

2006olliem · 31-08-2011 10:02am

Who Knows? wrote: »

Hi,

I heard that there is a faith healer in Gort in Co. Galway. I was told he was a butcher by trade, and has healing events once a week.

Does anyone know about this guy, and can you pass me on details of how I could reach this guy. :rolleyes:

Many thanks!

Ya if your Coming from Galway go through the square, theres a railway track crossing over the road about 200 mrs after the square. The butcher shop he runs is about 50 mts on the right ( the Limerick side of the railway bridge)
I know he has a session now 10 am Wednesday morning because I'm now in the waiting room NOW , which is located beside the butcher shop ( a White door : it must be his house???? )
I haven't a clue what to expect and I found out about him through a friend.
Hope this helps.
Ollie

FatherLen · 31-08-2011 2:49pm

you're going to a butcher for healing?

kylith · 31-08-2011 2:50pm

FatherLen wrote: »

you're going to a butcher for healing?

They're very cheap for the auld amputations.

angie5308 · 01-09-2011 12:19pm

How did the healing go? I heard about this man a few times and his success with both people and animals

2006olliem · 01-09-2011 1:04pm

angie5308 wrote: »

How did the healing go? I heard about this man a few times and his success with both people and animals

Ok first of all I have to say I'm the biggest sceptic there is, as regards faith healers ect. But having said that all I can say is I have no pain today.
Whether it's anything this guy (Gerry ) did, who knows?
The bottom line for me is I'm pain free and I choose not to think about the witchdoctor stuff!

TingTong · 20-10-2011 12:11pm

I am thinking of going down next Wednesday.Can you tell me if I need to get there before ten and is the a Que outside the door before ten? also how long does he spend with you? need to have rough idea as may need to arrange childminder for an hour or two if I am not back by the time school is out

mcmoustache · 20-10-2011 12:40pm

2006olliem wrote: »

Ok first of all I have to say I'm the biggest sceptic there is, as regards faith healers ect. But having said that all I can say is I have no pain today.
Whether it's anything this guy (Gerry ) did, who knows?
The bottom line for me is I'm pain free and I choose not to think about the witchdoctor stuff!

What did he cure you of?

Who Knows? · 20-10-2011 1:38pm

Hi,

I forgot I submitted this thread a while back. To update you I went to visit him.

I had a painful shoulder. Went to my doc and he said it was rotator cuff (which is a painful tear in tendons which prevented me from lifting/using my arm).

Anyway, the doc said it was a severe injury and I would need surgery. I decided, what the heck, I have nothing to loose with this guy in Gort. I didn't have to make an appointment. He has a house and one of the rooms is an open waiting room - ya just show up. The other room is where he 'heals' people. I went early (about 8am) and waited for about an hour. I was seen to and he took me in the room. Played around with my arm and shoulder. Bit painful, but it was bearable....

He finished with me after 10 mins and said I was good to go and to rest it for a few days. Ya can throw him a small donation. 2-3 days later I could lift it and was back to normal. No surgery required. No compalins since I last posted the discussion above.

Im not trying to influence anyone here - all I can say is that it worked for me. Happy days.

Hope this helps?

[PS Apologies for spelling errors - Im writing this as I rush out the door]

TingTong · 20-10-2011 3:15pm

thats great glad your feeling better. Just out of interest have you told your doctor??:p:p:p

Who Knows? · 20-10-2011 3:35pm

I didnt actually!!! Should I, lol? Could reform the HSE by directing people to healers!

Let me know how ya get on with him!

MagicMarker · 20-10-2011 3:38pm

2006olliem wrote: »

Ok first of all I have to say I'm the biggest sceptic there is

lol, obviously not if you went to a faith healer!

zimmermania · 26-10-2011 9:14pm

Do faith healers live forever?

Joanto1 · 27-09-2018 1:18pm

I know of this guy butcher in Gort he is a middle age guy. Uses something like divining he is just superb and I am a sceptic. I know loads of people who got relief from him with backs and shoulders and all sorts go see him he only keeps you 5 mind and charges just 10 Euro he isvEXCELLENT BELIEVE ME. If any of you see this and go to him just let me know how you got on be it your back or else. Just get on here and say thanks to this thread I got relief. Its just for me to confirm how good he is. Thanks

zimmermania · 28-09-2018 12:59am

Joanto1 wrote: »

I know of this guy butcher in Gort he is a middle age guy. Uses something like divining he is just superb and I am a sceptic. I know loads of people who got relief from him with backs and shoulders and all sorts go see him he only keeps you 5 mind and charges just 10 Euro he isvEXCELLENT BELIEVE ME. If any of you see this and go to him just let me know how you got on be it your back or else. Just get on here and say thanks to this thread I got relief. Its just for me to confirm how good he is. Thanks

I am sure he gets an odd tip,if faith healers could cure back trouble then there is no reason why they could not cure more serious problems.

They are just frauds,preying on people.

NIMAN · 28-09-2018 3:14am

Who Knows? wrote: »

Hi,

I forgot I submitted this thread a while back. To update you I went to visit him.

I had a painful shoulder. Went to my doc and he said it was rotator cuff (which is a painful tear in tendons which prevented me from lifting/using my arm).

Anyway, the doc said it was a severe injury and I would need surgery. I decided, what the heck, I have nothing to loose with this guy in Gort. I didn't have to make an appointment. He has a house and one of the rooms is an open waiting room - ya just show up. The other room is where he 'heals' people. I went early (about 8am) and waited for about an hour. I was seen to and he took me in the room. Played around with my arm and shoulder. Bit painful, but it was bearable....

He finished with me after 10 mins and said I was good to go and to rest it for a few days. Ya can throw him a small donation. 2-3 days later I could lift it and was back to normal. No surgery required. No compalins since I last posted the discussion above.

Im not trying to influence anyone here - all I can say is that it worked for me. Happy days.

Hope this helps?

[PS Apologies for spelling errors - Im writing this as I rush out the door]

So let me get this straight, you had a damaged shoulder which a trained medical professional said would only be healed with surgery, yet after 10mins of moving it around you are now healed?

I'm sorry, I ain't buying that nonsense.

Can you elaborate on what this guy did for the 10min you were with him?

oceanman · 28-09-2018 7:53pm

zimmermania wrote: »

I am sure he gets an odd tip,if faith healers could cure back trouble then there is no reason why they could not cure more serious problems.

They are just frauds,preying on people.

if its worked for some people then whats the harm in trying it?

NIMAN · 29-09-2018 9:10pm

oceanman wrote: »

if its worked for some people then whats the harm in trying it?

But its not what the faith healer is doing thats healing people. It can't be, unless you believe in such nonsense.

The people are probably taking medicines too, getting physio, changing something in their lives, but its not the faith healer doing any good.

oceanman · 29-09-2018 9:33pm

NIMAN wrote: »

But its not what the faith healer is doing thats healing people. It can't be, unless you believe in such nonsense.

The people are probably taking medicines too, getting physio, changing something in their lives, but its not the faith healer doing any good.

you seem pretty sure of that...if the person feels it worked for them then that's all that really counts ..

Ziycon · 01-10-2018 11:00am

If it works for a person and isn't causing any further medical conditions and it doesn't cause any current medical conditions to get worse then leave them too it.

N.B. - This is not to be taken as medical advice, it's my own personal opinion.

For the record I don't buy the 'faith healer' thing, but I do understand the power of the brain. I've read many a studies where someone has pain in a certain location of their body and no drugs or surgery could help, this was down to the pain not being physical but it was in the persons head, and if someone believes enough in a certain non medical task that has cleared up their pain then let them, its what works for them.

The clear line to draw here is that it wasn't the 'healer' that cured the pain but the person's belief in the 'healer' that helped the person get rid of the psychological cause of the pain.

NIMAN · 06-10-2018 11:19am

The same people would go into hospital for cancer treatment, get the best of drugs and medicines, care by nurses, doctors and specialists, find they recover and then attribute their improved health to praying to a god, people lighting a candle for them or a plastic medal handed down from their great granny.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 06-10-2018 10:43pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45721670

anyone watch it is on bbc i player?

fritzelly · 06-10-2018 10:46pm

Briar Dead Suit wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45721670

anyone watch it is on bbc i player?

Yep - basically how faith healers work, Derren Brown has done similar
Convince someone they have no pain etc and if they believe you then job done.
Doesn't cure anything but could make things worse as pain is there to tell you something is wrong except in some case where it's nerve damage and nothing can be done.

MonkieSocks · 06-10-2018 10:50pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

What did he cure you of?

He cured me of a Tuesday

zimmermania · 22-12-2018 9:03pm

NIMAN wrote: »

The same people would go into hospital for cancer treatment, get the best of drugs and medicines, care by nurses, doctors and specialists, find they recover and then attribute their improved health to praying to a god, people lighting a candle for them or a plastic medal handed down from their great granny.

Dead on,praying is harmless but a total waste of time,preying on the other hand by ruthless people on the vunerable is the lowest of the low.

Graces7 · 01-01-2019 3:36pm

NIMAN wrote: »

The same people would go into hospital for cancer treatment, get the best of drugs and medicines, care by nurses, doctors and specialists, find they recover and then attribute their improved health to praying to a god, people lighting a candle for them or a plastic medal handed down from their great granny.

Yet many do not recover? So the medical aspect is not reliable.

zimmermania · 01-01-2019 5:32pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Yet many do not recover? So the medical aspect is not reliable.

Everybody does not get cured by conventional medicine,but nobody gets cured if they rely on mumbo jumbo!

Graces7 · 03-01-2019 7:54am

zimmermania wrote: »

Everybody does not get cured by conventional medicine,but nobody gets cured if they rely on mumbo jumbo!

Faith is not mj.

Healings happen and are well documented. So your statement is invalid

endacl · 03-01-2019 8:15am

Graces7 wrote: »

Faith is not mj.

Healings happen and are well documented. So your statement is invalid

‘Getting betters’ happen. They are documented. The ‘healing’ aapect is down to the faith credulity of those who would describe it as such.

Anecdote ≠ evidence.

frag420 · 03-01-2019 8:54am

Graces7 wrote: »

Faith is not mj.

Healings happen and are well documented. So your statement is invalid

Any links to these well documented healings?

endacl · 03-01-2019 9:29am

frag420 wrote: »

Any links to these well documented healings?

Two of us challenged her post. She won’t be back.

:rolleyes:

frag420 · 03-01-2019 9:43am

endacl wrote: »

Two of us challenged her post. She won’t be back.

:rolleyes:

Par for the course with Grace, same with the other threads she was involved with!

zimmermania · 03-01-2019 5:37pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Faith is not mj.

Healings happen and are well documented. So your statement is invalid

Hundreds of thousands have hope and faith when they travel to places like Lourdes every year but come home as sick as they went.

oceanman · 03-01-2019 7:10pm

zimmermania wrote: »

Hundreds of thousands have hope and faith when they travel to places like Lourdes every year but come home as sick as they went.

quite a few cures have happened at Lourdes....

fritzelly · 03-01-2019 7:14pm

oceanman wrote: »

quite a few cures have happened at Lourdes....

Yep, nothing like a cure the morning after

frag420 · 03-01-2019 8:31pm

oceanman wrote: »

quite a few cures have happened at Lourdes....

And unlike Grace above you will be able to provide links to these miracles and peer reviewed scientific papers to back up these claims of cures?

Defaulter1831 · 03-01-2019 8:36pm

endacl wrote: »

Two of us challenged her post. She won’t be back.

:rolleyes:

Oh aren't ye so brave and know everything.

hgfj · 03-01-2019 8:44pm

Anyone here ever heard of the placebo effect?

Defaulter1831 · 03-01-2019 8:49pm

hgfj wrote: »

Anyone here ever heard of the placebo effect?

I'd say you're the first to have heard of it. Does it cure terminal cancer?

mloc123 · 03-01-2019 8:53pm

Defaulter1831 wrote: »

I'd say you're the first to have heard of it. Does it cure terminal cancer?

No... surgery, chemo and radio therapy can tho. Faith healers cannot.

Defaulter1831 · 03-01-2019 9:04pm

mloc123 wrote: »

No... surgery, chemo and radio therapy can tho. Faith healers cannot.

Prove it

mloc123 · 03-01-2019 9:06pm

Defaulter1831 wrote: »

Prove it

How about you prove they can?

Are you telling me tomorrow, if you were diagnosed with cancer you with skip medical treatment and go to a faith healer instead?

NIMAN · 03-01-2019 9:12pm

mloc123 wrote: »

How about you prove they can?

Are you telling me tomorrow, if you were diagnosed with cancer you with skip medical treatment and go to a faith healer instead?

Sad thing is, some people would.

Defaulter1831 · 03-01-2019 9:13pm

mloc123 wrote: »

How about you prove they can?

Are you telling me tomorrow, if you were diagnosed with cancer you with skip medical treatment and go to a faith healer instead?

No you said they can't. Back up your statement with an examination of all claimed miraculous cures in history. You made the statement they can't..prove it

You see the answer is you can't but like a lot of people you think you know.

I'm not going to make a sweeping statement, there could have been a native Indian in the 500s AD who cured people on death's door... I'm not going to make sweeping statements when I have tiny amounts of information about the universe. Einstein, Hawking etc. None of them knew it all. Practically every scientist who ever lived, and died, has had their studies updated.

mloc123 · 03-01-2019 9:15pm

Defaulter1831 wrote: »

No you said they can't. Back up your statement with an examination of all claimed miraculous cures in history. You made the statement they can't..prove it

You see the answer is you can't but like a lot of people you think you know.

I'm not going to make a sweeping statement, their could have been a native Indian in the 500s AD who cured people on death's door... I'm not going to making sweeping statements when I have tiny amounts of information about the universe. Einstein, Hawking etc. None of them knew it all. Practically every scientist who ever lived, and died, has had their studies updated.

Valid argument, nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of god etc..

So instead I will settle on - in my opinion, faith healers are conmen that take advantage of vulnerable people.

Defaulter1831 · 03-01-2019 9:19pm

mloc123 wrote: »

Valid argument, nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of god etc..

So instead I will settle on - in my opinion, faith healers are conmen that take advantage of vulnerable people.

I'd agree in general. Maybe there's just one or two over millenia. I can't say. Off to watch this match now

Graces7 · 11-01-2019 3:29pm

mloc123 wrote: »

How about you prove they can?

Are you telling me tomorrow, if you were diagnosed with cancer you with skip medical treatment and go to a faith healer instead?

Does not have to be a rigid either/or choice like that! People who know prayer tend to fare better with treatment. There have been studies that prove that. ... One can support the other.

Graces7 · 11-01-2019 3:30pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Sad thing is, some people would.

It is their choice. To be respected as such.

troyzer · 11-01-2019 7:01pm

Graces7 wrote: »

mloc123 wrote: »

How about you prove they can?

Are you telling me tomorrow, if you were diagnosed with cancer you with skip medical treatment and go to a faith healer instead?

Does not have to be a rigid either/or choice like that! People who know prayer tend to fare better with treatment. There have been studies that prove that. ... One can support the other.

Can you post links to some of these studies?

DublinWriter · 01-02-2019 2:06pm

troyzer wrote: »

Can you post links to some of these studies?

Journal of the American Medical Association, October 25, 1999
A Randomized, Controlled Trial of the Effects of Remote, Intercessory Prayer on Outcomes in Patients Admitted to the Coronary Care Unit
William S. Harris, PhD; Manohar Gowda, MD; Jerry W. Kolb, MDiv; et al Christopher P. Strychacz, PhD; James L. Vacek, MD; Philip G. Jones, MS; Alan Forker, MD; James H. O'Keefe, MD; Ben D. McCallister, MD
Author Affiliations Article Information
Arch Intern Med. 1999;159(19):2273-2278. doi:10.1001/archinte.159.19.2273

troyzer · 01-02-2019 2:11pm

DublinWriter wrote: »

Journal of the American Medical Association, October 25, 1999
A Randomized, Controlled Trial of the Effects of Remote, Intercessory Prayer on Outcomes in Patients Admitted to the Coronary Care Unit
William S. Harris, PhD; Manohar Gowda, MD; Jerry W. Kolb, MDiv; et al Christopher P. Strychacz, PhD; James L. Vacek, MD; Philip G. Jones, MS; Alan Forker, MD; James H. O'Keefe, MD; Ben D. McCallister, MD
Author Affiliations Article Information
Arch Intern Med. 1999;159(19):2273-2278. doi:10.1001/archinte.159.19.2273

I'll have a gander and get back to you.

Here's the paper for anyone else:

https://sci-hub.tw/10.1001/archinte.159.19.2273

Faith Healer

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