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London protests for second Brexit Vote

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    #92
    mvl
    Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    mad muffin wrote: »
    The thing is… gay marriage and abortion only affect a small minority of the population. The vote ended in the right result.

    Brexit affects everyone. Even us in Ireland and we didn’t vote on it.

    Also adding that gay marriage for example has no external dependencies whatsoever, unlike Brexit, where its obvious that Brexit leadership had failed what they were supposed to do to achieve success of the cause they were selling before the vote.
    For sure there should be consequences to that.

    Btw - where are things with the Russian influence over the Brexit vote ?


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    #93
    Blazer
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    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Did you vote in the Abortion, Marriage, et al referendum here after Ireland re ran Lisburn. The UK electorate were lied to and deceived, and it has lead to the whole sh!testorm they are now in. I hope they get a revote, now that they know, or at least has a better idea, on what it really entails.

    well then the youth should have gotten off their votes and gone out to vote.
    But they couldn't be arsed.
    Now they have to pay their price so maybe next time they won't be so lackadaisical about it.
    And just because a few hundred thousand people are out protesting doesn't mean anything.
    What if they did a new referendum..it barely got through and all the people who voted no went out and protested and demanded a new vote?
    I'm pretty sure the yes voters would tell them to frak off and suck it up.


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    #94
    mvl
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    Blazer wrote: »
    well then the youth should have gotten off their votes and gone out to vote.
    But they couldn't be arsed.
    Now they have to pay their price so maybe next time they won't be so lackadaisical about it.

    this is something I agree with, but I think the price could be how they need to work harder at fixing it :)


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    #95
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    PCX wrote: »
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Let's get back to being the British Empire" - this leave voter at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaveBrexitRally?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw&quot;&gt;#SaveBrexitRally&lt;/a&gt; in Harrogate explains why he doesn't want a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PeoplesVote?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw&quot;&gt;#PeoplesVote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Read more about the Brexit marches taking place across the UK here: <a href="https://t.co/yjolYwzM8j"&gt;https://t.co/yjolYwzM8j</a> <a href="https://t.co/HUQIZmxoLH">pic.twitter.com/HUQIZmxoLH</a></p>&mdash; Sky News (@SkyNews) <a href=" 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js&quot; charset="utf-8"></script>


    Putinbot malfunction…


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    #96
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    F*ck off Europe, we all voted out,


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    #97
    PCX
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭PCX


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Putinbot malfunction…

    No I'm not a putinbot but I am really bad at embedding stuff apparently!:pac:


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    #98
    blinding
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Massive majority voted to Repeal and for gay marriage, Brexit was close and the voters were lied to.
    Cameron told the big lie that if he did not get any concessions from the Eu he would vote for Brexit and recommend voting for Brexit .

    He got nothing from the Eu and did the opposite of what he said he would do = He lied .

    That Referendum started with Cameron's lie .


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    #99
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Surely Scotland will get their Independance vote (and probably leave), before there is another Brexit (only 2yrs since last one).


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    #100
    Guy:Incognito
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    orourkeda1977 wrote: »
    It was the will of the people at the time of the vote.

    And now it's not.

    If the will of the people was that the marriage equality bill didn't pass, then should that be that. "sorry gay people, tough ****, go be equal somewhere else"

    The will of the people 35 years ago here is that there should be no abortion and no divorce . Same sex marriage wasn't legal until the will of the people changed .

    The will of the people changes in the time between general elections.

    Brexit is more important than all of those in the sense that it's even more final. If theyd voted remain and not triggered article 50 they could have voted again and triggered it at a later date. If they leave it's not just a case of having a vote in a few years and jumping back in.


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    #101
    Guy:Incognito
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    Rosalyn High Sunburn wrote: »
    Surely Scotland will get their Independance vote (and probably leave), before there is another Brexit (only 2yrs since last one).

    This was my point earlier. Leavers seem very hypocritical in this regard. Surely the UK is just a smaller version of the Eu (though much "worse" in their opinion seeing as the other parts have less control ) and Scotland, Wales and NI should be set free from distant rule of London?


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    #102
    handlemaster
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    F*ck off Europe, we all voted out,


    good luck then. dont forget to pay the bill before you leave. put in euros as sterling will drop like a stone after


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    #103
    Guy:Incognito
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    F*ck off Europe, we all voted out,

    So just leave and stop looking for all the benefits of being in the Eu


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    #104
    Preston Dirty Duckling
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    as sterling will drop like a stone after

    On another note if brexit happens and the sterling drops in value massively I’ll be delighted. Ordering left and right off amazon for half nothing.


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    #105
    Guy:Incognito
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    Preston Dirty DucklingMGS wrote: »
    On another note if brexit happens and the sterling drops in value massively I’ll be delighted. Ordering left and right off amazon for half nothing.

    Assuming the difference won't be made up of import taxes seeing as you'll be buying from outside the eu.......


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    #106
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    This was my point earlier. Leavers seem very hypocritical in this regard. Surely the UK is just a smaller version of the Eu (though much "worse" in their opinion seeing as the other parts have less control ) and Scotland, Wales and NI should be set free from distant rule of London?

    Indeed, instead of Brexit v2 after just 2yrs. Scottiland (and NI) should have a say on their future in light of the cluster**** of centrist political mis-management from the folks around the private bars of big ben.

    Perhaps a new 'celtic nordic union' could be the way forward for Scot/NI/Ire, Sweden & Denmark are getting the EU-jitters and Norway has a load of oil that would be a great guest at any party.


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    #107
    handlemaster
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    Preston Dirty DucklingMGS wrote: »
    On another note if brexit happens and the sterling drops in value massively I’ll be delighted. Ordering left and right off amazon for half nothing.

    explain your logic on this ? UK stopped manufacturing decades ago. goods will be more expensive for people earning in sterling


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    #108
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Preston Dirty DucklingMGS wrote: »
    On another note if brexit happens and the sterling drops in value massively I’ll be delighted. Ordering left and right off amazon for half nothing.

    Would there be no import taxes and duties to pay? (If hardon brexit occurs).

    If you order something of value direct from the US/China it will involve additional fees.


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    #109
    Blazer
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    Rosalyn High Sunburn wrote: »
    Surely Scotland will get their Independance vote (and probably leave), before there is another Brexit (only 2yrs since last one).

    not a chance will Scotland vote for independence.
    They're terrified of being on their own as they're highly dependent on the uk..all those nice big sums of money that were floated around from their oil revenues was just lies so they're ****ed if they back independence.


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    #110
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Blazer wrote: »
    not a chance will Scotland vote for independence.
    They're terrified of being on their own as they're highly dependent on the uk..all those nice big sums of money that were floated around from their oil revenues was just lies so they're ****ed if they back independence.

    Every chance indeed of an Independent Scotland, they didn't want brexit and yet they have it, and it's not going to well.


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    #111
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Rosalyn High Sunburn wrote: »
    Would there be no import taxes and duties to pay? (If hardon brexit occurs).

    If you order something of value direct from the US/China it will involve additional fees.


    ah . forget about the taxes side. if your currency is worth alot less than before the cost of importing goods made in another country will be alot more. Do you understand exchange rates and the implications of that ?


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    #112
    Preston Dirty Duckling
    Posts: 0 ✭ Preston Dirty Duckling


    handlemaster wrote: »
    explain your logic on this ? UK stopped manufacturing decades ago. goods will be more expensive for people earning in sterling

    Perhaps. I don’t think that would happen immediately following. Amazon will have paid whatever price for the intake of stock at the time. Maybe there will be an immediate price hike but I guess I’ll see.


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    #113
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Massive majority voted to Repeal and for gay marriage, Brexit was close and the voters were lied to.

    On both sides.


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    #114
    Blazer
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    Rosalyn High Sunburn wrote: »
    Every chance indeed of an Independent Scotland, they didn't want brexit and yet they have it, and it's not going to well.

    yes but they will have to apply for EU membership...and there's not a chance Scotland would meet the criteria for membership financially.


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    #115
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    ah . forget about the taxes side. if your currency is worth alot less than before the cost of importing goods made in another country will be alot more. Do you understand exchange rates and the implications of that ?

    The only thing certain in life is death and taxes, Fx rates are volatile and subject to change with the wind (may be of benefit, but may not).


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    #116
    handlemaster
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    Preston Dirty DucklingMGS wrote: »
    Perhaps. I don’t think that would happen immediately following. Amazon will have paid whatever price for the intake of stock at the time. Maybe there will be an immediate price hike but I guess I’ll see.


    you are in for a rude awaking


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    #117
    Preston Dirty Duckling
    Posts: 0 ✭ Preston Dirty Duckling


    handlemaster wrote: »
    you are in for a rude awaking

    Yeah I’m gonna be sorely disappointed. I’ve planned my whole years Christmas and birthdays around this. :pac:


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    #118
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Blazer wrote: »
    yes but they will have to apply for EU membership...and there's not a chance Scotland would meet the criteria for membership financially.

    An emotive vote, especially in light of the current situation doesn't care much about small print or consequences.

    What you are implying is that no small break-away country can ever leave the EU (and have the option to join) Ever.


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    #119
    MrMusician18
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    orourkeda1977 wrote: »
    I never said I'd oppose those efforts. Where did I say that?

    My initial point was, if people who were and still are anti abortion or anti gay marriage asked for a referendum to have the yes vote(s) overturned would they get it?

    The answer is no.

    I'm asking why should Brexit be treated differently.

    If there was evidence to suggest public opinion has reversed on these issues them there should be second referendums.

    Those that fear a second vote do not do so out of democratic principles, but they only fear that they will be beaten.

    There is a tendency to treat politics like sport, "you were beaten, get over it". I think the discussion on how society is set up is far more important than that however, and if you believe in something it is your right to object to it to the very end.


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    #120
    blinding
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    Accumulaor wrote: »
    Surely Scotland will get their Independance vote (and probably leave), before there is another Brexit (only 2yrs since last one).
    The Scots rejected Independence only a few years ago . = Not a Real Country

    If the SNP had won the Scottish Independence referendum by 52% to 48% would the SNP be calling for another referendum ?


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    #121
    Gone Drinking
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    F*ck off Europe, we all voted out,

    We're trying to fcuk off but you cnuts keep having protests. Make up your minds.


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