Red Dead Redemption 2

RonanP77 · 15-06-2019 10:35pm

Just finished Days gone and waiting on TLOU 2 to come out. Would this be a good game to fill the void considering those are the kinds of games I'm into?

The Specialist · 15-06-2019 10:52pm

RonanP77 wrote: »

Just finished Days gone and waiting on TLOU 2 to come out. Would this be a good game to fill the void considering those are the kinds of games I'm into?

Absolutely.

RonanP77 · 16-06-2019 12:02am

The Specialist wrote:

Absolutely.

Checked in Tesco this evening, still â‚¬65. I'll need to try somewhere else to get it a bit cheaper.

ERG89 · 16-06-2019 12:19am

RonanP77 wrote: »

Checked in Tesco this evening, still â‚¬65. I'll need to try somewhere else to get it a bit cheaper.

40 in Smyths. If your not near one just wait until Monday & if it's still 40 buy it online(postage is free). 2 games I ordered this past week I got the next day.

Charlie19 · 16-06-2019 12:25am

I'm finding it a hard game to complete, I'm probably only only half way through and I got it at Christmas.

Captainsatnav · 16-06-2019 7:38pm

RonanP77 wrote: »

Just finished Days gone and waiting on TLOU 2 to come out. Would this be a good game to fill the void considering those are the kinds of games I'm into?

Just Cause 4 another option. I enjoyed Just Cause 3-Mindless sandbox fun. Picked up 4 today , steelbook edition, in Gamestop for €25.

TheValeyard · 16-06-2019 7:46pm

Captainsatnav wrote: »

Just Cause 4 another option. I enjoyed Just Cause 3-Mindless sandbox fun. Picked up 4 today , steelbook edition, in Gamestop for €25.

Let me know how you find it. I've heard nothing but negatives about it compared to JC3

Captainsatnav · 17-06-2019 11:19am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Let me know how you find it. I've heard nothing but negatives about it compared to JC3

Will be months yet before I get to it! As per my earlier posts here my ps4 died so lost everything on RDR2. I've started again. Then when that's done I have Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Wolfenstein 2, God of War, Battlefield 1 and Far Cry 5 still in their shrink wrap!

RonanP77 · 17-06-2019 11:10pm

I got it today and I spent a few hours at it after over an hour installing the damn thing. Looks like it's going to be huge and fairly enjoyable. It's not a patch on Days Gone but still pretty good.

Atlas_IRL · 18-06-2019 4:28pm

Captainsatnav wrote: »

Will be months yet before I get to it! As per my earlier posts here my ps4 died so lost everything on RDR2. I've started again. Then when that's done I have Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Wolfenstein 2, God of War, Battlefield 1 and Far Cry 5 still in their shrink wrap!

Hard Core

RonanP77 · 21-06-2019 9:30pm

I got my hands in a brush for the horse, now all I want is a fishing rod. The main mission can wait, I'm hunting, crafting, gambling and hopefully before long, fishing.

Varik · 29-06-2019 8:05pm

Playing the prologue and just completing stuff, notice 2 things.

Swimming

John like in RDR1 can't swim, I'd go out in the water to fetch something and almost instantly die with him. Stamina drops very fast and then health until death, if your feet can't touch the bottom you're screwed.

Drawings

John's stick men are a big drop from Arthurs' artistic endeavours

Stone Deaf 4evr · 02-07-2019 5:12pm

Been plugging away at this nicely now, I'm about one or two missions from the end of chapter 5. have to say, I'm really glad I gave it a second chance, the story kicks into gear rightly

from when you get to Rhodes, and then on to Saint Denis, loving how the gang is starting to unravel, along with dutch's sanity, and the trip to Guarma was an unusual, if somewhat short lived diversion

. Only quibble at the moment is there was a run of missions one after the other where it wasnt possible to do a manual save, Thats a real pet hate of mine, as I generally try and just do a mission or so an evening, rather than marathoning it.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 24-07-2019 10:43am

Well, the main story is done and dusted, and now I'm through epilogue part 1, and into part 2.

What a triumph of a game, I cant believe I nearly shelved it early on, As I think back on it now, the story is a true epic, from the initial introduction of the gang while holed up in the freezing mountains after a job gone bad, to the various camps and settlements, and gradual unraveling of everything by the end of chapter 6. Even the slightly odd change of scenery midway through the game is memorable enough in its own way, and I can't think of the last time a game generated a genuine emotion / feeling of regret like I felt at the end of chapter 6, further compounded by moments of genuine vulnerability when Arthur speaks with the Nun and during his time with Rains Fall.

Despite all its problems, and it certainly has some, its just been magnificent, The voice acting, the animations, the musical score that accompanies some moments, There's a level of detail here that I dont think we'll see again for quite some time.

weiland79 · 28-07-2019 10:27am

Something bugging me about this since i picked it up again. Im constantly having to adjust the camera with the R3 stick so that it sits directly behind Arthur. Its quite annoying and doesnt feel natural to constantly make these small adjustments.

Damien360 · 28-07-2019 11:28am

weiland79 wrote: »

Something bugging me about this since i picked it up again. Im constantly having to adjust the camera with the R3 stick so that it sits directly behind Arthur. Its quite annoying and doesnt feel natural to constantly make these small adjustments.

I played this my original PS4 (until it died) and new Pro. On original I had no issues with the camera. On the pro, the camera slowly floated across to a new position and I would have to adjust camera back. Always to the left when behind Arthur. Controller was new so can’t be that. And no other game did the same. Is this what you are seeing ?

wotzgoingon · 28-07-2019 2:30pm

Must be a Playstation thing. As I don't remember having to do that on the One X.

weiland79 · 28-07-2019 6:57pm

Damien360 wrote: »

weiland79 wrote: »

Something bugging me about this since i picked it up again. Im constantly having to adjust the camera with the R3 stick so that it sits directly behind Arthur. Its quite annoying and doesnt feel natural to constantly make these small adjustments.

I played this my original PS4 (until it died) and new Pro. On original I had no issues with the camera. On the pro, the camera slowly floated across to a new position and I would have to adjust camera back. Always to the left when behind Arthur. Controller was new so can’t be that. And no other game did the same. Is this what you are seeing ?

Actually mine is over to the right. Ill try and explain it better.
When im going along a trail or road when i have to steer left or right with the left stick i also have to compensate with the right stick to position the camera directly behind Arthur, otherwise its always just over his right shoulder and i can't get a good look at whats coming up ahead.

Sad Professor · 28-07-2019 7:13pm

weiland79 wrote: »

Actually mine is over to the right. Ill try and explain it better.
When im going along a trail or road when i have to steer left or right with the left stick i also have to compensate with the right stick to position the camera directly behind Arthur, otherwise its always just over his right shoulder and i can't get a good look at whats coming up ahead.

Your controller is the problem. Test it with another to confirm. In the meantime, adjusting the in-game dead zone settings might help a bit.

Varik · 28-07-2019 10:08pm

Skyhunter wrote: »

Can optional honour story missions be replayed without depending on gamesaves? Looking for the "lending a hand" achievement which is at 90% but dont want to play the story through again just yet.

That's miss-able, you need to do all of them in 1 playthough.

Replaying the "Home Improvement for Beginners" mission can glitch the trophy on PS4 not sure about Xbox. Might have been patched out I think it only appeared with the last patch or so.

Varik · 29-07-2019 7:38am

The glitch is that it unlocks a trophy it shouldn't, not that blocks you getting it.

Juglooma · 29-07-2019 7:48am

FYI Red Dead is 10e on PSN for the next 2 days. After that it goes back up to 30e .
I just got it again yesterday to play through as I don't have my xbox with me.

B.A._Baracus · 29-07-2019 9:47am

I am ashamed to admit that I still have this sealed as a christmas gift from Christmas. I dunno. Couldn't wait to play the first one and played it day one.

I've heard different opinions on it. Some say its good others say the first was better. Whats everyones opinion?

087brain21 · 29-07-2019 9:52am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I am ashamed to admit that I still have this sealed as a christmas gift from Christmas. I dunno. Couldn't wait to play the first one and played it day one.

I've heard different opinions on it. Some say its good others say the first was better. Whats everyones opinion?

yes shame on you hang your head in shame :P

tbh imo the first one is better because it was so ground breaking only GTA done that kinda game before
now rdr2 is brilliant so detailed and the missions can be exciting but the first one edges it
play it for a week and see how you feel

29-07-2019 10:02am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I am ashamed to admit that I still have this sealed as a christmas gift from Christmas. I dunno. Couldn't wait to play the first one and played it day one.

I've heard different opinions on it. Some say its good others say the first was better. Whats everyones opinion?

I'm going as far as now saying it's one of the most overrated games ever conceived.

The Nal · 29-07-2019 10:11am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I am ashamed to admit that I still have this sealed as a christmas gift from Christmas. I dunno. Couldn't wait to play the first one and played it day one.

I've heard different opinions on it. Some say its good others say the first was better. Whats everyones opinion?

I played it twice. Its utterly incredible in parts and utterly infuriating in parts. I enjoyed it more the 2nd time around as I skipped a lot of the fluff.

johnny_ultimate · 29-07-2019 10:33am

I’m not exaggerating when I say it’s one of the worst games I’ve played in years. Now that’s largely down to avoiding most of the real crap, so I’m not saying it’s one of the worst games out there - just that I’ve personally played at any great length. But genuinely I felt it was a mechanical and artistic mess of a game: a technical marvel with rare flashes of brilliance, but with so many fundamental and ridiculous problems in areas like mission design, basic mechanics and narrative that I couldn’t in good conscience recommend it. It’s a game that wants to be everything, and ends up not being anything particularly interesting beyond a marvel in graphical fidelity. Sadly that can’t sustain a 60+ hour game that feels like triple that.

weiland79 · 29-07-2019 10:44am

I keep falling asleep whilst playing it.

I asked a question in the online thread yesterday but it seems to be a ghost town over there. Is anyone playing online or have they made a balls of it?

Stone Deaf 4evr · 29-07-2019 10:44am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I am ashamed to admit that I still have this sealed as a christmas gift from Christmas. I dunno. Couldn't wait to play the first one and played it day one.

I've heard different opinions on it. Some say its good others say the first was better. Whats everyones opinion?

I started it, played the opening chapter and then Lost interest, after about 2 months had passed, I came back to it, and chipped away at it slowly, a story mission (or stranger mission) or two at a time. I think that might be the optimal way to play it, as it doesn't have the emergent chaos that a Grand theft Auto game has. Its very much a western simulator, and the more you embrace the slower nature of some of it, the more rewarding you'll find it.
personally, I think it has some of the best storytelling in any game - ever. I wont go into a long post about it, but it stands to me, as Rockstars finest work.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 29-07-2019 10:57am

If you have the game I dont see why you wouldn't give it a shot. I enjoyed it but found it frustrating at times.

JimBurnley · 29-07-2019 1:58pm

It's a strange one. I got it when it first came out and played non-stop for 2-3 weeks every night. Felt like I was really enjoying it at the time. But then I remember getting frustrated by a mission and some hunting tasks, then I got distracted by another game - many months later I've not put it back on once and don't have a huge inclination to

SureYWouldntYa · 29-07-2019 2:14pm

Juglooma wrote: »

FYI Red Dead is 10e on PSN for the next 2 days. After that it goes back up to 30e .
I just got it again yesterday to play through as I don't have my xbox with me.

Coming up as €39.99 for me? €10 is stupid cheap, can get €15 cash in CEX for the physical

Stone Deaf 4evr · 29-07-2019 2:16pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

I never got the criticism of it being 'slow'.
I got used to that pace and enjoyed the open world, especially hunting and fishing and stranger missions. That's really where the game shines - in its open world and attention to detail.
What I grew fed up with is the lack of fast travel (player shouldn't be forced to explore your world) and the tutorial-like nature of the main missions. Tutorials are supposed to be at the beginning of the game where you learn the basic mechanics so that you can implement them in main missions as second nature but because Rockstar used the main campaign as an animations showcase every. single. mission needed the game to walk you through it because every single action Arthur took required completely different controls. Playing this game without HUD would be a nightmare.

I think the 'slow' complaint comes from how at times, arthur is forced to walk at an absolute snails pace through camp / to an objective. I can see why they did it, as it would completely break immersion (this probably isnt the correct descriptor - maybe 'cinematic vision') to have you sprinting around everywhere, jumping on boxes, standing on campfires like you see in pretty much every other videogame. This forced pace is jarring when comparing it to what gamers are used to - getting from point A to point B as quickly as possible, then mashing the 'skip cutscene' button to get back to the shooting.
Once I accepted that this is the pace they've intended, I found it a bit easier to live with.

Penn · 29-07-2019 2:17pm

The smallest quality of life additions would have made the game far more enjoyable. Instead there was far too much of a focus on pseudo-realism, making the controls a mess as you only have so many buttons to do a lot of unnecessary (to the player) yet absolutely required (to the character) actions, needless maintenance systems making inventory a mess, and what amounts to punishment for trying to step outside the lines of what the game wants you to do.

It focused so much on realism that the most real thing the game portrays is that living in the Wild West wasn't fun.

The Nal · 29-07-2019 2:19pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

I never got the criticism of it being 'slow'.
I got used to that pace and enjoyed the open world, especially hunting and fishing and stranger missions. That's really where the game shines - in its open world and attention to detail.
What I grew fed up with is the lack of fast travel (player shouldn't be forced to explore your world) and the tutorial-like nature of the main missions. Tutorials are supposed to be at the beginning of the game where you learn the basic mechanics so that you can implement them in main missions as second nature but because Rockstar used the main campaign as an animations showcase every. single. mission needed the game to walk you through it because every single action Arthur took required completely different controls. Playing this game without HUD would be a nightmare.

Yeah agree with all that. Had no issue with it being slow, its a western! Its heartbreaking though when you travel 10 minutes on horseback to start a mission, get 2 minutes of generic cut scenes and then have to travel ten minutes on horseback to start the mission, a lot of times back to the same area you were at. No fast travel is a crazy decision.

2nd time around is quicker. #Don'tHelpRainsFall

maximoose · 29-07-2019 2:25pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Coming up as €39.99 for me? €10 is stupid cheap, can get €15 cash in CEX for the physical

Yeah, €39.99 for me

€10 a typo??

Penn · 29-07-2019 2:39pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

The forced walking in the camp probably wouldn't have bothered people if you didn't have to spend about 10 minutes beforehand just riding to it. By the time you get into the camp you would understandably be in a hurry. I think there's a good argument to be made from those who didn't enjoy the game as much as I did that it was death by a thousand cuts.

Yeah, it's different not having fast travel in the likes of GTA because at least driving the cars is fun, plenty to see and do, listen to the radio etc. Driving always feels like an activity itself. The horse riding in this, bar the occasional scripted or random event, is just boring. You barely have to pick a direction as the horse will follow the path, so you're just tapping X/A to gallop, hoping your horse's stamina doesn't drop too much, and trying to feed it if it does. It's just a chore that kills the game and makes a better fast travel system all the more vital.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 29-07-2019 2:54pm

Penn wrote: »

Yeah, it's different not having fast travel in the likes of GTA because at least driving the cars is fun, plenty to see and do, listen to the radio etc. Driving always feels like an activity itself. The horse riding in this, bar the occasional scripted or random event, is just boring. You barely have to pick a direction as the horse will follow the path, so you're just tapping X/A to gallop, hoping your horse's stamina doesn't drop too much, and trying to feed it if it does. It's just a chore that kills the game and makes a better fast travel system all the more vital.

Again, I think This didn't grind on me as much as I only played about an hour or so at a time. Its certainly not a game to play for a 4-5 hour stint, as those flaws become a much bigger problem at that level of exposure.

Personally, I could have done entirely without horse bonding, grooming, feeding, etc. and the core system for arthurs health seemed like it was only there

to emphasise how sick he was in the last chapter by having them all essentially constantly depleted

Jordan 199 · 29-07-2019 2:58pm

I'm still hoping for 'Paint Your Wagon' DLC.

The Nal · 29-07-2019 3:00pm

I wish you could Skyfall

Retr0gamer · 29-07-2019 3:02pm

I think it's worse to play it in short bursts as the game wastes your time so much you end up getting nothing done.

And that's my biggest problem with the game. It just totally wastes your time with it's indulgences. It has absolutely no respect for the players time and is so caught up on telling it's story and being realistic that it does it at the expense of being fun. Maybe I'd be fine with this if it had some artistic merit but hardly a slow moving Tarkovsky masterpiece.

It's just so caught up in showing off the detail of it's world and story it forgets to be a videogame and fails at being both fun and engaging. It's just a bad game unfortunately.

wotzgoingon · 29-07-2019 4:06pm

I enjoyed the game. Was a bit annoying when Arthur got sick as eating food didn't have as good an effect but that was part of the story so not much else you could do.

Don't like online though, but admittedly I only played it once after I had finished the game and never went back to it.

nullzero · 31-07-2019 2:41pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I think it's worse to play it in short bursts as the game wastes your time so much you end up getting nothing done.

And that's my biggest problem with the game. It just totally wastes your time with it's indulgences. It has absolutely no respect for the players time and is so caught up on telling it's story and being realistic that it does it at the expense of being fun. Maybe I'd be fine with this if it had some artistic merit but hardly a slow moving Tarkovsky masterpiece.

It's just so caught up in showing off the detail of it's world and story it forgets to be a videogame and fails at being both fun and engaging. It's just a bad game unfortunately.

Complete nonsense.

I did a second play through which was played in thirty minute to one hour bursts per day(I don't have a huge amount of time on my hands while we're on the topic of time) and I was well able to enjoy myself and not feel bogged down in what ever felt like situations I was guided into against my will by the nefarious time wasting department at rockstar games.

To say this is a bad game is to over value your own opinion.
The game may not be your cup of tea but it isn't inherently bad because you didn't enjoy it.

Penfailed · 31-07-2019 3:21pm

I loved it. I haven't looked at it since completing it though.

Retr0gamer · 31-07-2019 3:37pm

nullzero wrote: »

Complete nonsense.

I did a second play through which was played in thirty minute to one hour bursts per day(I don't have a huge amount of time on my hands while we're on the topic of time) and I was well able to enjoy myself and not feel bogged down in what ever felt like situations I was guided into against my will by the nefarious time wasting department at rockstar games.

To say this is a bad game is to over value your own opinion.
The game may not be your cup of tea but it isn't inherently bad because you didn't enjoy it.

It's not that it's bad, I really didn't enjoy it myself, it's that there are a vast amount of games well worth your time that don't waste yours like this one this. There's plenty of times a game has sold and gotten good reviews based solely on hype and I'm filing this in with GTA4 and MGS4 as in that category. I expect plenty of articles on how it failed as a game over the next few years.

31-07-2019 4:03pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I've heard different opinions on it. Some say its good others say the first was better. Whats everyones opinion?

I'm glad I played it, was easily worth the purchase price. I will give it at least one more playthrough in the future, maybe on next-gen.

Definitely not perfect - a lot of the gameplay mechanics could have done with more thought. Plenty of annoyances. The pacing of the story was off - towards the end of the game I had my fill and just wanted to be done with it.

There's not enough negatives to make it a "bad game" though. It just didn't quite live up to the hype. Still a staggering achievement.

The Nal · 31-07-2019 4:04pm

Theres hours of fun to be had with all the cheats on.

johnny_ultimate · 31-07-2019 6:52pm

Always should go without saying that the letters ‘IMO’ should be assumed with any expression of opinion on the Internet

I firmly believe Red Dead Redemption 2 is a pretty bad game. I think a lot of talented people put a lot of time and effort into it (often an unreasonable amount of time going by the reports of working practices at Rockstar). And there are many things to admire about their work. But ultimately I felt the game had no regard for my personal time commitment, had no idea how to be an interesting game beyond a very lavish tech demo, and struggled to achieve its artistic goals in an interesting way. It was a deeply flawed game that felt like a backwards step in open world design, and a chore to play. That, for me, classified as a bad game, and I respect that others disagree.

IMO

Barlett · 31-07-2019 11:21pm

I think it's one of the finest games I've ever played to be honest. Though I mainly play games for cinematic experiences and storytelling, love the slow nature, epic feel of it. So different from so much other stuff out there, I only have time for 2-4 hours gaming a week mostly so I found it perfect for doing a mission saving and leaving it there, like reading a chapter in a book.

20silkcut · 01-08-2019 7:31am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I think it's worse to play it in short bursts as the game wastes your time so much you end up getting nothing done.

And that's my biggest problem with the game. It just totally wastes your time with it's indulgences. It has absolutely no respect for the players time and is so caught up on telling it's story and being realistic that it does it at the expense of being fun. Maybe I'd be fine with this if it had some artistic merit but hardly a slow moving Tarkovsky masterpiece.

It's just so caught up in showing off the detail of it's world and story it forgets to be a videogame and fails at being both fun and engaging. It's just a bad game unfortunately.

Your way wide of the mark calling it a bad game.
In the context of your opinion it is a bad game. Which is different.

Red Dead Redemption 2

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