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fat bloke wrote: »

and so-called "grail" watches provide little in the way of satisfaction or succour.

Well that would be a sad thing if it's true.

Spend thousands on a watch and not be content with it? To me that defies logic, but I'm at the lower end of the scale completely to those buying and selling top end watches. Maybe they get the enjoyment of wearing it for a while then want another one? I'm guessing with the huge amount of watches out there, there will always be something better?

I have maybe 5 or so watches, and a lower end Hamilton Khaki was my so-called grail watch if you want to put it like that. I'll never be in the market to flip Rolex watches unless my numbers come up.

But I really like the ones I have, as cheap and cheerful as they may be.

Fickle is what you are.

Then again, I'm thinking of selling my OP 39 black dial I've barely worn since buying a few months ago...not that I don't like it but never getting a chance to wear it.

fat bloke wrote: »

That's rather an alarming flip-rate for what would be considered significant.... destination watches. I always thought that further up the "expense" axis meant a diminishing "flip-factor", but I'm beginning to think that's not the case at all. Could it be in fact that the cheaper the watch, the more likely it is to be a keeper, and so-called "grail" watches provide little in the way of satisfaction or succour.

It's more to do with the fact you build the expensive watch up so much it's almost impossible for it to live up

And you do stupid stuff I've had a good few twice like the aforementioned Milgauss blue and I had a brand new Daytona and sold it and now I'm convinced I want another

There is just too much choice it's hard to be satisfied unless you stop looking

Cyrus wrote: »

to be honest sub nd is all the watch anyone could want it's a proper one watch job

If only they had it in that blue colour, it would likely be all the watch I would want for many years to come. The glidelock system would probably be the first system that would make me 100% happy with a bracelet. I gravitate to divers and to blue face watches (on anything but a bracelet). I can't even stop myself from buying blue Seiko divers, I've had 3 blue PADI turtles already, all the exact same model

Don't like any of the GMT, too loud for me. Yacht Master rhodium (or blue!) is gorgeous. Outside of my budget though.

unkel wrote: »

Care to explain why?

Just from a residuals point of view. You won’t be able to flip it and get the RRP back or close to it.

A bit more than a sub or gmt.

Less than every other brand still mind you.

unkel wrote: »

Had a quick glance on chrono24. Cheapest one second hand in the EU $11k, RRP $12k. Not so bad, similar percentage to many other Rolex like Explorer, OP, etc. Buying new, with full warranty and your name on the card, relation with AD, easily bridges this gap for me, I have to say.

C24 same as WF is no real yard stick for prices.

Last one on tz was for 7150. March just gone.

I think RRP on there is 10k euro. 8k is realistic 2nd hand price. Less really given they are very low demand.

I had a blue dialled yachtmaster aswell I'll see if I can dig out some pics lovely watch but it's flashy and the bezel is a concern I'm not really a big fan of metal bezels as they are too easy to mark (same reason I didn't keep any of the 3 different 216570s I had )

What about the blue pelagos sounds like it meets your criteria ?

Also I wouldn't overplay buying from an ad as 893 said retail on a ym isn't a good idea , a relationship with one is more like 5 or 6 watches and having your name on the warranty card is over rated

Edit

Here's the tz-uk thread from when I got the yachtmaster unfortunately I used photo bucket

https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?280992-New-yacthmaster-incoming&highlight=Yachtmaster

Sold it for 5,100 6 months later how times have changed

Cyrus wrote: »

There is just too much choice it's hard to be satisfied unless you stop looking

It really is as simple as that.

Rail master my grail for a while. Got it. Sold it.

Sky fall was my grail for a while. Got it, had it for sale at one point.

Blnr was a grail. Got it, sold it.

5167 was a grail. Got it. Never thought of selling it, yet.

Now “grail” is on an ALS or even an FBJ. I hope I don’t decide to leverage the 5167 to purchase but....it’s a possibility. Only watches with sentiment attached can truely be considered keepers.

Grail is just a term used for to justify buying increasing expensive out of reach watches. Always more expensive from what I see. Once you have a 2k watch then any watch under 2k is achievable. So you are then looking for the 5k watch. When you have that all 5 k watches are easily achievable through flipping that but now you are looking for the 10k watch.

Yet to see a person with 3 rolex declare a speedmaster or Tudor is their grail. Grails are usually just the “next level” up.

If you buy smart and sell smart (and don’t concern yourself with servicing etc) then owning and changing watches is a lot of fun and not a huge cost as long as you ain’t the one left without the chair when the music stops.

Folks I bought this from Mick a few weeks ago with the intention of gifting it to my Son.

Watch greed set in and he has since been passed my B&R in an effort to keep my cool stuff :P

Then I bought 2 more watches and now I want an Arnie so to keep my wife on side and to stay "within the rules" of 1 in, 1 out!

I'm going to let this one go.
I'm not going to list it elsewhere in the hope that a boardsie can take advantage of the generosity Mick showed me when I purchased.

€150 delivered within Ireland.

Rather than take new photos, I've reused Mick's as other than being tried on its unworn.
Happy to take any photos needed tho.

micks_address wrote: »

Hi folks,
I bought this hard to find discontinued Seiko quartz Chrono to ease my itch for an omega speedmaster.

Roll on a few days and Ive bought the speedmaster and this is delivered. It's lovely and in mint new condition.

I've 200 euro in it but would let it go a little less.

Any interest let me know. I might pop up on adverts tomorrow.

Seiko mens watches caliber 7T94 calendar special date black face SNN123

Hardlex Crystal

unkel wrote: »

Very much dislike even the idea of a two tone

Points taken on the Yachtmaster. I sure won't buy one until I've tried one on. But I do seem to like slightly left of field models from Rolex, my favourites at this point are the Z-Blue Milgauss and the blue Yachtmaster.

I am not particularly careful with my watches - a watch needs to be worn and not babied is my motto, I'm the same with cars - and I have scratched metal bezels before. The safer model would be a ceramic sub (and I believe the older Yachtmaster does not have the glidelock clasp?). But I guess worst case scenario is send it to Rolex for a service for what, like €800? And it will come back brand new. This would always be an option when reselling and I guess the reason why you never really see a badly worn Rolex for sale at a big discount?

yachtmaster bezel can only take so much punishment before it's replacement rather than refurb I believe

Then it's mega bucks as it's platinum

unkel wrote: »

Do Rolex not just replace any worn / damaged parts as part of the fixed price service (price depends on model / complication)?

nope

Price for a service is price for a movement service and a best as possible refurb

Any new part is an extra charge

unkel wrote: »

Do Rolex not just replace any worn / damaged parts as part of the fixed price service (price depends on model / complication)?

Just some minor movement parts I believe.

Case/dial/crystal/bezel....prepare you anus.

unkel wrote: »

LOL, good to know

Looks like the smart / only option for me then would be an already discounted second hand blue Yachtmaster with preferably already some damage to the bezel. And then just keep it.

well if you are rough with watches it'll definitely get damaged so maybe the best bet .

And as 893 said they may replace some replaceable movement parts but anything you can see will be lottsa cash!

unkel wrote: »

That would actually explain why that Milgauss for sale on adverts had lots of parts replaced (crown, stem, bezel) by Fast Fix - do these guys even use OEM parts?

not sure but I would doubt it as unless you are an accredited Rolex repairer (not even sure if that exists as a concept any more ) you can't get parts from them .

And you can be sure that fast fix aren't

Sam Crooked Sympathizer wrote: »

I replaced a white gold bezel on a Daytona...service was 800 euro, bezel was 1600 euro and I didn't get the old bezel back (Rolex keep all parts to avoid people putting genuine parts on fakes or making Frankenstein).

Do Rolex at least discount the value of the old bezel against the new?
Seems a little cheeky of them to just keep what is your property without offering some compensatory gesture?

I know that in the past any watch I've had serviced was always returned with the replaced parts too (Granted not Rolex).

Cyrus wrote: »

not sure but I would doubt it as unless you are an accredited Rolex repairer (not even sure if that exists as a concept any more ) you can't get parts from them .

And you can be sure that fast fix aren't

I am always uneasy about this.

They almost become franken watches.

That’s said I would use spurious parts in a car no problem but I feel different about a watch. A gasket or minor part of the moment I could live with but a spurious crown or similar (well actually fake as a crown is branded) is not something I would like.

Sam Crooked Sympathizer wrote: »

Well the explorer lasted 2 weeks so you will pardon me if I am dubious about that

Touché

If it wast blue I'd probably have it for years though before my eye started wandering!

How on earth a Rolex (of all watches) can get water damaged is beyond me. Haven't tried it myself but I heard that even with the crown out, there is not water ingress.

Perhaps the crystal was broken? Seems the most likely scenario. Somehow I can't see anyone desperately trying to get water in by frantically pushing the crown up and down repeatedly

The watch is from 2011, so hardly old enough for any rubber to get so old it will let water through when you're wearing it in the shower

AmberGold wrote: »

Tried to PM & your mailbox is full, can you send me a PM when you get a chance?

Cleared now! Hopefully it’s not about the PO....having second thoughts on that.

(I am very popular)

Sam Crooked Sympathizer wrote: »

Come on somebody here must buy this at that price....holy trinity king piece.

893bet wrote: »

I am close to withdrawing on that basis only. Force myself to wear it.

I do like it. It’s just I don’t like bracelet watches. All other watches on rubber, NATO or leather.

Having seen 893bet's VC in the flesh, I can confirm it is a beauty. Very low profile, striking bracelet and uniquely styled bezel, a rare piece I would love to own if funds allowed.