Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

10-02-2021 9:32pm

Do some channel hopping on the radio through the day and see how much women's voices are silent. Other than Dermot and Dave see how many non-camp under 50 year old guys you'll hear on the mic.

99nsr125 · 11-02-2021 1:10am

iptba wrote: »

A column in a national newspaper today highlighting this.
I can't bring myself to read it. But there seems to be a bias in terms of what gets reported and/or what columnists highlight.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40223318.html

I read it

It's painfully sexist

I think it's time to start complaining about sexism in articles.

Like that article is ridiculous

cms88 · 11-02-2021 9:15am

Deleted User wrote: »

Do some channel hopping on the radio through the day and see how much women's voices are silent. Other than Dermot and Dave see how many non-camp under 50 year old guys you'll hear on the mic.

And more often than not those women are terrible. Although some stations have started to try and replace them with presenters who are actually in some way entertaing.

The likes of Anna Geary have got jobs in the media for no reason other than the fact she's female.

11-02-2021 10:22am

"Of the top 20 most-played songs by Irish artists on Irish radio between June and December 2020, a staggering 85% were male artists, according to the updated report on gender disparity compiled by the delightfully forthright Linda Coogan Byrne. The music publicist and activist got so tired of being told what women weren’t supposed to do that she founded Why Not Her?, a campaign to amplify the voices of women on radio — and beyond."

FFS, It's a consumer market, where women still make up the majority of consumer spending across nearly every western country (and quite a few others). Women seek to listen to male artists. If there's a lack of female artists, perhaps consider that the market doesn't need them? The style of music has shifted considerably over the years.

Also I'd love to know who these people are (and when) who are telling women what they're not supposed to do.. I can't imagine trying shutdown any of the women in my family or friends. They'd batter me to pieces.

Perhaps it is time to point out that women in Ireland are not, and haven't been (for a long time, or if ever), the weeping weak violets, these people like to pretend.

11-02-2021 10:26am

Tomorrow is International Day of Women and Girls in Science. It is a good time to look at those barriers and also to see how we might break them down. The Women on Walls project, which has been putting a series of portraits of women on walls since 2016, is a great way to highlight women’s often-overlooked achievements.

Genuine question. What are these barriers? As far as I can see there's far more supports for girls getting into science, than there are for boys.

11-02-2021 11:48am

cms88 wrote: »

And more often than not those women are terrible. Although some stations have started to try and replace them with presenters who are actually in some way entertaing.

The likes of Anna Geary have got jobs in the media for no reason other than the fact she's female.

Competence is no longer required, nor even desired.
Between the young women and the camp guys see if they can go a whole episode without either making a mistake and reacting with "Lol OMG loike I'm so useless" or work something about how useless they are into a discussion on just about any subject.

11-02-2021 1:25pm

Lottie Ryan on 2FM seems to be very feminist. I used to listen to that station at work but it has changed a lot over the last 3 years. I turned in last week and heard lottie screeching in excitement as she announced 3 female directors were nominated for some award.

Lottie is only where she is due to her fathers name in the industry. Not because of feminism.

iptba · 11-02-2021 2:06pm

I listen to the Official Chart Show with Blathnaid Treacy (it’s in English and Irish so it may help with my Irish). It’s not particularly feminist but occasionally she’ll say things along the lines of she’s so pleased the top three artists this week are female in a way that I’ve never heard anyone say they are so pleased the top three were male. Occasionally other similar things like it’s great to see all the great female artists coming through in Ireland.

99nsr125 · 11-02-2021 7:16pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tomorrow is International Day of Women and Girls in Science. It is a good time to look at those barriers and also to see how we might break them down. The Women on Walls project, which has been putting a series of portraits of women on walls since 2016, is a great way to highlight women’s often-overlooked achievements.

Genuine question. What are these barriers? As far as I can see there's far more supports for girls getting into science, than there are for boys.

Their tits get in the way of the bunsen burner of course.

There are no barriers

There's a consecrated push to force girls into science because it's seen as an influential sector. I have a paper stating this, the paper was on the earnings gap but of course it calls it the pay gap

Of course ya know consent and freedom of choice is not at all relevant it seems, self determination was never mentioned and that is the greatest freedom and equity of all.

LLewellen Farquarson · 11-02-2021 7:33pm

99nsr125 wrote: »

Their tits get in the way of the bunsen burner

Seriously?
You think it's ok to post that ?

99nsr125 · 11-02-2021 8:25pm

LLewellen Farquarson wrote: »

Seriously?
You think it's ok to post that ?

Everyday, it's why women are terrible drivers

Their tits get in the way of the steering wheel

Wibbs · 11-02-2021 8:30pm

maybe

99nsr125 for that kinda nonsense don't post in this thread again.

99nsr125 · 11-02-2021 8:38pm

Wibbs wrote: »

99nsr125 for that kinda nonsense don't post in this thread again.

So it's ok to call trump an eijit and a thundering prick but I can't use satire

By the way the tits and steering wheel is a reference to campaign that says car safety design is sexist

Wibbs · 11-02-2021 8:40pm

maybe

One is an opinion on an individual politician and celebrity, the other is pointed at a whole gender. Take a week off to consider the difference

cms88 · 12-02-2021 11:01am

Deleted User wrote: »

Tomorrow is International Day of Women and Girls in Science. It is a good time to look at those barriers and also to see how we might break them down. The Women on Walls project, which has been putting a series of portraits of women on walls since 2016, is a great way to highlight women’s often-overlooked achievements.

Genuine question. What are these barriers? As far as I can see there's far more supports for girls getting into science, than there are for boys.

It's funny how they never actually have an answer for this question. At the same time the question is never asked.

Then again none of these women like to be questioned.

It's like the whole cervical cancer thing in recent years. Men can get it, granted not often, yet it's reported as a women only issue. At one point someone was questioned about that and she said because it's rarer in men it's not really a problem

iptba · 13-02-2021 3:14am

With ‘I Hate Men,’ a French Feminist Touches a Nerve

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/books/pauline-harmange-i-hate-men.html

I think this article would almost certainly have been written a lot differently if it was discussing men who had written articles about why they hate women.

Also it doesn't make clear that the French civil servant who complained about the book was, as I understand it, referring to some law that banned hate speech with regard to gender and the like. Not sure whether it is this law:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/france-adopts-tough-law-against-online-hate-speech/ or another one but I remember another article discussing the law.

It looks like there is one standard for men and one standard for women, i.e. double standards.

lucalux · 13-02-2021 3:22am

cms88 wrote: »

It's funny how they never actually have an answer for this question. At the same time the question is never asked.

Then again none of these women like to be questioned.

It's like the whole cervical cancer thing in recent years. Men can get it, granted not often, yet it's reported as a women only issue. At one point someone was questioned about that and she said because it's rarer in men it's not really a problem

Do you mean the fact that men can get HPV and related head neck throat and oral cancers? Cos that's very true, but men can't get cervical cancer, having no cervices.. Just saying is all, no hate!

cms88 · 15-02-2021 3:04pm

lucalux wrote: »

Do you mean the fact that men can get HPV and related head neck throat and oral cancers? Cos that's very true, but men can't get cervical cancer, having no cervices.. Just saying is all, no hate!

Yes of course HPV. It would be quite interesting if a male was to get cervical cancer....

ligerdub · 15-02-2021 5:54pm

cms88 wrote: »

Yes of course HPV. It would be quite interesting if a male was to get cervical cancer....

Well.....given the way things are going with the T's it's not outlandish to suggest that somebody will insist a man could get cervical cancer.

CageWager · 22-02-2021 3:52pm

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40231397.html

It doesn't get much more blatant than this...

A couple who carried out a targeted fraud campaign against banks and credit unions were jailed today.

Keith Flynn, 46, was sentenced to four years in prison backdated to October 27, 2020, when he went into custody.
His wife and co-accused, Lyndsey Clarke, 37, was sentenced to two years in prison commencing today. Both are former solicitors.

Judge Seán Ó Donnabháin said that to explain the difference in how the parties were treated at sentencing it could be stated that it allowed for the differences in the personal circumstances of the two accused.

What does that even mean - "differences in personal circumstances"? If Keith was any way smart he would have self ID'd as a women and shaved 2 years off his sentence.

iptba · 22-02-2021 4:28pm

CageWager wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40231397.html

It doesn't get much more blatant than this...

What does that even mean - "differences in personal circumstances"? If Keith was any way smart he would have self ID'd as a women and shaved 2 years off his sentence.

I don't know any more about this case, but I remember a case in Ireland a number of years ago where a surgeon and a wife claimed she had had one or more operations she hadn't had or something like that (I can't remember the exact details of this stage).

Anyway, he was sentenced to 4 years in jail, but she got a suspended sentence because somebody had to look after the kids.
A fairer sentence would be to divide up the time between the couple, but no, the man got all the time and the woman got no time.

22-02-2021 4:32pm

When I was a teenager on nights out I'd always be grabbed down there by mature women.

Only a bit of craic if a woman does it, of course.

alexv · 22-02-2021 6:48pm

CageWager wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40231397.html

It doesn't get much more blatant than this...

What does that even mean - "differences in personal circumstances"? If Keith was any way smart he would have self ID'd as a women and shaved 2 years off his sentence.

I think by "differences in personal circumstances" the judge meant that she had (slightly) bigger tits than her co-accused solicitor.

Wibbs · 23-02-2021 9:21am

maybe

Let's dial back the "tits" type talk. We can get our opinions across without that. Thanks.

cms88 · 27-02-2021 10:29am

Aer Lingus have a new female CEO. The first time they've had and that's fine. Yet on social media people, mostly women, were complaining she got the job after ''men destroyed the company'' Nothing to do with Covid no it's all down to men.

Now she could well be very good in the job only time will tell. But would you ever hear comments like that if a man took over from a women as CEO of a company that they could a run into the ground?

the_pen_turner · 28-02-2021 12:36am

cms88 wrote: »

Aer Lingus have a new female CEO. The first time they've had and that's fine. Yet on social media people, mostly women, were complaining she got the job after ''men destroyed the company'' Nothing to do with Covid no it's all down to men.

Now she could well be very good in the job only time will tell. But would you ever hear comments like that if a man took over from a women as CEO of a company that they could a run into the ground?

i agree. and when the lock down is over and we can freely travel again she will be praised for saving the company . she will then be trotted out as some kind of saviour and be used to show how women are better than men

Sarcozies · 28-02-2021 6:06pm

cms88 wrote: »

Aer Lingus have a new female CEO. The first time they've had and that's fine. Yet on social media people, mostly women, were complaining she got the job after ''men destroyed the company'' Nothing to do with Covid no it's all down to men.

Now she could well be very good in the job only time will tell. But would you ever hear comments like that if a man took over from a women as CEO of a company that they could a run into the ground?

I doubt you'd hear it from many people just like I'd doubt you'd find the media pushing the opposite in genders, a false narrative, (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0244531) that female lead countries are faring better than male led ones in terms of covid.

iptba · 28-02-2021 7:37pm

Sarcozies wrote: »

I doubt you'd hear it from many people just like I'd doubt you'd find the media pushing the opposite in genders, a false narrative, (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0244531) that female lead countries are faring better than male led ones in terms of covid.

There is a stray bracket; here's a working link:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0244531

hots · 01-03-2021 3:53pm

cms88 wrote: »

Aer Lingus have a new female CEO. The first time they've had and that's fine. Yet on social media people, mostly women, were complaining she got the job after ''men destroyed the company'' Nothing to do with Covid no it's all down to men.

Now she could well be very good in the job only time will tell. But would you ever hear comments like that if a man took over from a women as CEO of a company that they could a run into the ground?

TBF I'd imagine you'd find exactly those comments on social media if you go looking, the trick is to not bother. If it's in the news that's a bit different but a few tweets from gobsh/tes isn't worth the time of day.

01-03-2021 6:37pm

hots wrote: »

TBF I'd imagine you'd find exactly those comments on social media if you go looking, the trick is to not bother. If it's in the news that's a bit different but a few tweets from gobsh/tes isn't worth the time of day.

Actually, I'd say there's little difference between the news and what you find online from twitter or such. If it matches a particular agenda that they support, you'll find a variety of broadcasters plugging the line, even if it hasn't been put on the news itself.

It's like the support that RTE have given to Ebun Joseph regarding racism, where she's been used as an expert, and has promoted all manner of racist related material... because it fits the agenda that RTE want to push about diversity. You'll likely find the same on similar shows where they present the views of feminists, and how men are working against them... because, again, it fits an agenda that RTE have been plugging for years now.

hots · 02-03-2021 12:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually, I'd say there's little difference between the news and what you find online from twitter or such. If it matches a particular agenda that they support, you'll find a variety of broadcasters plugging the line, even if it hasn't been put on the news itself.

It's like the support that RTE have given to Ebun Joseph regarding racism, where she's been used as an expert, and has promoted all manner of racist related material... because it fits the agenda that RTE want to push about diversity. You'll likely find the same on similar shows where they present the views of feminists, and how men are working against them... because, again, it fits an agenda that RTE have been plugging for years now.

Yeah you could well be right tbf, I try not to watch too much of any of that nonsense either

Silentcorner · 02-03-2021 6:10pm

It's the biggest tax payer funded knees up next week, International Women's Day...expect a bumper, the day where we have to treat grown women like they are children and tell them how great they are whilst they claim to be oppressed by those same tax payers!!!

02-03-2021 9:52pm

Its international women's week at this stage.

Dont begrudge the poor oppressed creaturs a few days of relief from the brutal patriarchy they all live under.

iptba · 02-03-2021 9:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its international women's week at this stage.

Dont begrudge the poor oppressed creaturs a few days of relief from the brutal patriarchy they all live under.

Yes, at our weekly meeting of the local patriarchy group (we share the venue with the local tooth fairies and Santa's elves) this was the message we heard had been passed down from head office.

silverharp · 08-03-2021 12:53pm

make it stoooooppppp!!!!! , the "facts" are so convenient lol

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1368891521936850949

iptba · 08-03-2021 2:30pm

Apologies if this was ever posted before. It showed up on my Facebook feed today.

More women leaders would have made world more peaceful: Dalai Lama
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/dalai-lama-world-leaders-6498090/

Piollaire · 08-03-2021 2:33pm

iptba wrote: »

Apologies if this was ever posted before. It showed up on my Facebook feed today.

More women leaders would have made world more peaceful: Dalai Lama
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/dalai-lama-world-leaders-6498090/

Why does Margaret Thatcher come to mind?

Wibbs · 08-03-2021 2:53pm

maybe

In European royalty circles it was queens more likely to start wars.

cms88 · 08-03-2021 4:40pm

The usual types having a field day today and a always it goes unchallenged.

jk23 · 08-03-2021 4:50pm

cms88 wrote: »

The usual types having a field day today and a always it goes unchallenged.

Even if you make a reasonable point or counter point today it's going to be shot down and you will be labelled.

I think that's why alot of people don't bother and corporations have jumped on board too. I never got as many notifications via email from companies with offers or reductions for IWD

08-03-2021 6:52pm

Wibbs wrote: »

In European royalty circles it was queens more likely to start wars.

I always find it interesting how the influence that women have over their partners is ignored, or the influence mothers have over their children. A wife whispering suggestions in the kings ear, after giving him 2 orgasms, likely had more influence than many of his advisors. Or a mother telling her son that he needs to be strong, and fight to keep the kingdom, his father created (with her help).

It just makes me wonder why people are so quick to accept the idea that most women stayed in the shadows never saying anything. My grandmother grew up at a time where supposedly women were meek, but.. she was never a meek person, easily controlling my grandfather every step of the way.

How many wars were started because a woman took offense and demanded someone protect her honor?

It's just so.. unrealistic. This need to exempt women from history, or from having any responsibility for what happened. As if they were constantly in the kitchen, the bed, or the birthing area.. but never taking part of decisions.

08-03-2021 9:11pm

If anyone wants a laugh go on Twitter and look at the outrage over Burger King tweeting.. Women belong in the kitchen.

iptba · 08-03-2021 9:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If anyone wants a laugh go on Twitter and look at the outrage over Burger King tweeting.. Women belong in the kitchen.

https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1368849338596745223
https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1368849339607638017?s=20
https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1368877839072821253?s=20

Pawwed Rig · 08-03-2021 10:33pm

I don't think it was Burger King they had in mind when they thought up quotas.

givyjoe · 08-03-2021 10:36pm

iptba wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1368849338596745223
https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1368849339607638017?s=20
https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1368877839072821253?s=20

How much of the outrage is because this isn't a 'good' job.

cms88 · 09-03-2021 10:16am

I didn't realise this until recently. But there is not a single male presenter on daytime radio on 2fm bar Eoin McDermott who is now gone. I haven't actually listened to 2fm in a long time so i don't know who's replaced him at the moment but i would say the odds of his full time replacement being another man are quite low. Yet there's no issue with this

Wibbs · 09-03-2021 10:29am

maybe

I seem to recall reading that far more women listen to daytime radio than men, if that's the case it would make sense that the presenter makeup reflects that.

givyjoe · 09-03-2021 11:10am

Wibbs wrote: »

I seem to recall reading that far more women listen to daytime radio than men, if that's the case it would make sense that the presenter makeup reflects that.

What do you reckon the split is of men watching football v women, yet we have the increasing clamor to have evenly split pundit panels of men and women.

The reply isn't a pop at you, if it reads like it!

Wibbs · 09-03-2021 11:29am

maybe

Oh I agree, but I say let the market decide in stuff like this. Women's sports for the most part get a tiny fraction of the attention and generate the least amount in revenue compared to men's sport, so that's the reality. Looking for evenly split panels as some sort of regulation is a nonsense as far as I'm concerned. I'd say the same of arenas where women generate more interest and revenue than men.

ligerdub · 09-03-2021 2:33pm

Who is to say that women prefer listening to women though? I know there's usually quite a vocal group who will call for an increase in the share of female presence, but that opinion isn't necessarily shared by the female populace as a rule.

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