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Sex for Rent - Raised in the Dail as issue of major concern

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    #242
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    20Wheel wrote: »
    No, I dont need to do anything.

    But I will point out the double standard of 'm'eh fck him' when it comes to the imaginary loveless landlord, and the 'omg poor young thing' standard for the young woman.

    could it be somewhere deep in our psychology we want him weeded out of the species?

    You are equating not having a home with not having a sexual partner. There's hardly a double standard.


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    #243
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    20Wheel wrote: »
    No, I dont need to do anything.

    But I will point out the double standard of 'm'eh fck him' when it comes to the imaginary loveless landlord, and the 'omg poor young thing' standard for the young woman.

    He can have a ****. She (or he, it's not like lads are immune from such carry on) cannot resolve a housing situation so easily.


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    #244
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Coppinger is upset because no guy is every going to make her that offer


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    #245
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    strandroad wrote: »
    He can have a ****. She (or he, it's not like lads are immune from such carry on) cannot resolve a housing situation so easily.

    She (or he) can live in a tent.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #246
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    20Wheel wrote: »
    No, I dont need to do anything.

    But I will point out the double standard of 'm'eh fck him' when it comes to the imaginary loveless landlord, and the 'omg poor young thing' standard for the young woman.

    could it be somewhere deep in our psychology we want him weeded out of the species?

    Ah now, you're gone off on a tangent.

    I'll state it as a question if that makes it easier. Do you think it's only fair that a man who can't get the ride can exploit young men or women? If you can't make an argument, that's fine. Just say so.

    Also I've been pretty careful not to focus only on women. Men also end up in these arrangement.


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    #247
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    20Wheel wrote: »
    ill answer if you will.

    Still waiting. ...


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    #248
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Ah now, you're gone off on a tangent.

    I'll state it as a question if that makes it easier. Do you think it's only fair that a man who can't get the ride can exploit young men or women? If you can't make an argument, that's fine. Just say so.

    Also I've been pretty careful not to focus only on women. Men also end up in these arrangement.

    Here's a tip: try phrasing your question in a way that doesn't assume that your position is correct to begin with. Then maybe he will find it worthwhile to answer you.

    As it is your question is inherently dishonest and made in bad faith.


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    #249
    Suttree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭Suttree


    The absolute bang of incel off this thread at the moment is horrendous.


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    #250
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Bondetf wrote: »
    Should restaurant owners be allowed exploit poor young men and women by making them work in jobs they don't want to so they won't be homeless.

    If you ask me these sublimely restaurant owners are blackmailing predators.

    I must say, you have a really bizarre view of sex.
    Perhaps, instead of aid, we should just send people who can't find a sex partner to disaster struck areas. Give the victims the chance to earn themselves out of a crisis situation?


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    #251
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Ah now, you're gone off on a tangent.

    I'll state it as a question if that makes it easier. Do you think it's only fair that a man who can't get the ride can exploit young men or women? If you can't make an argument, that's fine. Just say so.

    Also I've been pretty careful not to focus only on women. Men also end up in these arrangement.

    that tangent is what im curious about and why im here.

    but anyway, in response to the question, i don't think its something which you can make a blanket judgement on since the contexts will differ a lot in any number of imaginary scenarios.

    for example; high society party girl (or boy) is so sick of daddy not giving her money for a penthouse and she blew this years inheritance on coke and vacations, now her only option is to blow one of her dads friends for a beach house etc etc. (yes i know, its very porno)

    vs some poverty scenario. addict in winter.

    so theres a moral range/spectrum here.

    and we can turn that question back to you. if you can't answer it just say so.

    man (or woman) hasn't been laid in a millennium, cry-**** himself to sleep. has a spare room, or some other means of exchange, and stumbles upon some girl who may possibly be interested in a mutual agreement.

    is he a scumbag?

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #252
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Suttree wrote: »
    The absolute bang of incel off this thread at the moment is horrendous.

    Ah that's too easy. Although I don't agree with the poster who's sympathising with the imaginary incel/MGTOW landlord is only fair to get some sex from tenants. I don't agree with just throwing the incels under the bus either.

    I don't think sex is a commodity which should be spread around so everyone gets some (seriously a proposal incels put forward). But I definitely don't want to simply ridicule them, they have enough problems without being bullied on top.

    But being incel is absolutely no excuse for exploiting poor people to squeeze sex from them.


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    #253
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Suttree wrote: »
    The absolute bang of incel off this thread at the moment is horrendous.

    theres a very recent hum of feminism too.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #254
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 85,024 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Feisar wrote: »
    This isn't a housing crisis issue, it's a dirty bastard issue.

    Dail perfect place so :p
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #255
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    20Wheel wrote: »
    that tangent is what im curious about and why im here.

    but anyway, in response to the question, i don't think its something which you can make a blanket judgement on since the contexts will differ a lot in any number of imaginary scenarios.

    for example; high society party girl (or boy) is so sick of daddy not giving her money for a penthouse and she blew this years inheritance on coke and vacations, now her only option is to blow one of her dads friends for a beach house etc etc. (yes i know, its very porno)

    vs some poverty scenario. addict in winter.

    so theres a moral range/spectrum here.

    and we can turn that question back to you. if you can't answer it just say so.

    man (or woman) hasn't been laid in a millennium, cry-**** himself to sleep. has a spare room, or some other means of exchange, and stumbles upon some girl who may possibly be interested in a mutual agreement.

    is he a scumbag?

    Is he a scumbag? Not a word I'd see as relevant to the discussion.

    Your question is, at what point is it OK to exploit someone for sex. I really can't think of a point where that becomes OK. That's my answer.

    At what point does that become OK to exploit sex from someone for you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?


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    #256
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Is he a scumbag? Not a word I'd see as relevant to the discussion.

    Your question is, at what point is it OK to exploit someone for sex. I really can't think of a point where that becomes OK. That's my answer.

    At what point does that become OK to exploit sex from someone for you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?

    or on the other hand.

    at what point does it become acceptable to use your sexuality to exploit goods/services from someone?

    some jewelry? a job? a house? a marriage contract?

    good behavior as one so sees fit, the attendance of boring sht, the tolerance of family members, and the completion of household chores?

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #257
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    20Wheel wrote: »
    or on the other hand.

    at what point does it become acceptable to use your sexuality to exploit goods/services from someone?

    some jewelry? a job? a house? a diamond and gold ring?

    good behavior as one so sees fit, the attendance of boring sht, and the completion of household chores?

    Wow. You really believe that women are asexual and only use sex to barter, don't you?


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    #258
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Wow. You really believe that women are asexual and only use sex to barter, don't you?

    nah that never happens.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #259
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    20Wheel wrote: »
    nah that never happens.

    It's probably misplaced, but I actually feel sorry for you


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    #260
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    20Wheel wrote: »
    or on the other hand.

    at what point does it become acceptable to use your sexuality to exploit goods/services from someone?

    some jewelry? a job? a house? a marriage contract?

    good behavior as one so sees fit, the attendance of boring sht, the tolerance of family members, and the completion of household chores?

    I don't know. Do you like that kind of behaviour too?

    The question in asked was:
    At what point does that become OK to exploit someone for sex, to you you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?


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    #261
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Nasty thread.

    Some real women haters in here.

    Toxic.


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    #262
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    It's probably misplaced, but I actually feel sorry for you

    oh its misplaced.
    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    I don't know. Do you like that kind of behaviour too?

    The question in asked was:
    At what point does that become OK to exploit someone for sex, to you you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?

    cant pick an exact point. but its somewhere between $1000 an hour jet setting escort and homeless addict.

    i guess it depends on the two consenting adults involved.

    as for the time-based question, that would figure too.
    if someone is suffering for 20 years then thats a bit different to someone who hasn't had their jollies in a few days.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #263
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    20Wheel wrote: »
    as for the time-based question, that would figure too.
    if someone is suffering for 20 years then thats a bit different to someone who hasn't had their jollies in a few days.

    OK. So what point does it become OK to for a landlord to exploit you or your son for blowjobs for rent?


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    #264
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    OK. So what point does it become OK to for a landlord to exploit you or your son for blowjobs for rent?

    at the point where i (he) choose(s) that option.

    at what point does it become unacceptable for the lonely frustrated person to go on with no intimacy/contact.

    does this same standard apply to you?

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #265
    [Deleted User]
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    RyanGarcia wrote: »
    In my opinion it should be perfectly ok to exchange sexual favours for money whether it's man to man, man to woman, woman to man or woman to woman.

    I believe we should not treat adults as overgrown children. Adults should be given the autonomy and agency to make informed decisions for themselves.

    What should not be permitted is misleading your counterparty abiut the nature of the transaction. For example selling "Limited" mobile data which is in fact limited. That is exploitation as it exploits information asymmetry and misleads the customer

    That was a fast turnaround.


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    #266
    20Wheel
    Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    RyanGarcia wrote: »
    I disagree with both you and El Duderino.

    There is nothing wrong with paying for sex but likewise nobody is entitled to sex. If someone can't find someone to have sex that is there problem to figure out. They should either pay for it, or learn how to become more attractive.

    those aren't my words.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    #267
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    anewme wrote: »
    Nasty thread.

    Some real women haters in here.

    Toxic.

    Block. Block. Block. Block.

    Safe space. Ignore the offline, real world.

    Some real ostriches in here.


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    #268
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    20Wheel wrote: »
    at the point where i (he) choose(s) that option.

    at what point does it become unacceptable for the lonely frustrated person to go on with no intimacy/contact.

    does this same standard apply to you?

    So no level of exploitation is off the table?

    Your question is :
    "At what point does it become
    unacceptable for a lonely frustrated person to go on with no intimacy/contact?"

    I don't understand the question. What does "unacceptable" mean in this context. If you mean at what poi t does it become OK to exploit a vulnerable person for sex, then I'd say there is no point where it becomes acceptable to exploit a vulnerable person for sex.

    Of course that standard would apply to me. I don't consider myself entitled to exploit anyone for sex at any point. Sexual exploitation is off the table as far as I'm concerned.

    Same question to you. At what point of being lonely and frustrated would this kind of sexual exploitation become acceptable for you?


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    #269
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    20Wheel wrote: »
    those aren't my words.


    Nor are they my words. No idea what that poster was getting at. That's pretty much exactly what I would say so I'm not sure what they're disagreeing with in me.


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    #270
    Uncle Charlie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    This kind of thing has been going on since the dawn of time.


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    #271
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,270 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    anewme wrote: »
    Nasty thread.

    Some real women haters in here.

    Toxic.

    Well maybe but it all kicked off as a result of what an odious woman said, - to a man, unsurprisingly.



    I really do think that politicians should be reprimanded for reprehensible comments they make in the Dail, even ones where the reprehensible comment is inferred whether meant or not. Barred from the chamber for a week sorta thing for example.


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