Fake Railwayana Rogues Gallery

gobnaitolunacy · 15-09-2013 10:49pm

Corktina, I'd say if you hold out long enough they may get around to doing a Kanturk one...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cast-Iron-Wall-Train-Railway-Sign-/221281567099?pt=UK_Collectables_Railwayana_RL&hash=item338568c17b

Judgement Day · 16-09-2013 7:44am

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Corktina, I'd say if you hold out long enough they may get around to doing a Kanturk one...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cast-Iron-Wall-Train-Railway-Sign-/221281567099?pt=UK_Collectables_Railwayana_RL&hash=item338568c17b

This one has to be one of the cheekiest yet. Note the wonderful sharp detail of the lettering and edges - must have been on a very sheltered gate. Even a bit of rust at the bottom. In fairness to the 'craftsman' this was probably due to being left somewhere damp rather than an attempt to hoodwink anybody.

What amazes me is that the wretched thing has 3 buyers bidding on it. If it sold now at £11.50 add in postage at £10.00 (sellers estimate and too low IMO) and you're talking £21.50 for 2kg of cast iron scrap worth about 16 pence at best. http://www.greengatemetals.co.uk/scrapmetal/prices/

dregin · 16-09-2013 9:43am

http://www.adverts.ie/other-antiques-collectables/gn-wr-railroad-sign-notice-irish-original-warning-antique/3767761

L1011 · 16-09-2013 6:41pm

The "weathering" is often done by someone who buys these in bulk from the manufacturer/importer. I know someone who imports reproduction alcohol/tobacco advertising signs and while he sells them as exactly that he's fairly certain that a large customer is buying them, daubing acidic stuff on them for a while and then selling them as 'authentic' on eBay.

gobnaitolunacy · 17-09-2013 8:39am

MYOB wrote: »

The "weathering" is often done by someone who buys these in bulk from the manufacturer/importer. I know someone who imports reproduction alcohol/tobacco advertising signs and while he sells them as exactly that he's fairly certain that a large customer is buying them, daubing acidic stuff on them for a while and then selling them as 'authentic' on eBay.

Hate that kind of Del Boy Trotter crap going on.:mad:

Losty Dublin · 17-09-2013 8:44pm

I'm thinking of bidding for this sign. Anybody know much about the company?

corktina · 18-09-2013 9:11am

can you give a ebay link, I can't foined it

GBOA · 14-09-2014 9:18pm

Apologies for ressurecting a long disused thread. Can't believe it's been over a year since something was last posted on it.

Anyway, I found an auction on eBay which professes to sell a genuine BR cap. As fakes go, it's absolutely brutal.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-BRITISH-RAIL-OLD-DRIVER-TRAIN-CONDUCTORS-CAP-HAT-STATION-MASTERS-RED-RIM-/301313414733?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

whisky_galore · 14-09-2014 9:26pm

Meanwhile, in Dublin...as if a chain attached to the back made it an 'original'.

http://www.gumtree.ie/a-antiques-collectibles/dublin/original-cork-blackrock-and-passage-railway-sign-cb-and-p/1001182943430910344722309

whisky_galore · 14-09-2014 9:30pm

GBOA wrote: »

Apologies for ressurecting a long disused thread. Can't believe it's been over a year since something was last posted on it.

Anyway, I found an auction on eBay which professes to sell a genuine BR cap. As fakes go, it's absolutely brutal.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-BRITISH-RAIL-OLD-DRIVER-TRAIN-CONDUCTORS-CAP-HAT-STATION-MASTERS-RED-RIM-/301313414733?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

An old Guardsman's hat with a BR logo stuck on...?

Losty Dublin · 14-09-2014 9:55pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Meanwhile, in Dublin...as if a chain attached to the back made it an 'original'.

http://www.gumtree.ie/a-antiques-collectibles/dublin/original-cork-blackrock-and-passage-railway-sign-cb-and-p/1001182943430910344722309

Put me down for three.

GBOA · 14-09-2014 10:04pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

An old Guardsman's hat with a BR logo stuck on...?

Looks like a combination of three items. A soviet military cap, guardsman's peak and BR badge. Complete with awful stitching. I reckon 99p is a rip off.

Del.Monte · 04-08-2017 3:03pm

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread but this from Done Deal today is worth a laugh.

Isambard · 04-08-2017 4:21pm

the amount of plagerism between railway compnies was truly scandalous.

Losty Dublin · 05-08-2017 1:25pm

Isambard wrote: »

the amount of plagerism between railway compnies was truly scandalous.

What is more scandalous is how so many Francis Ormsby's held high ranks in most of Ireland's railway companies. Nepotism perhaps?

Fred Swanson · 05-08-2017 1:53pm

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tabbey · 05-08-2017 5:13pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Could they have they not have said 2 pounds instead of 40 schillings?

Most people never saw a pound note in the 19th century

05-08-2017 8:22pm

What's a C.I.E.R.?

tabbey · 05-08-2017 8:53pm

Fratello wrote: »

What's a C.I.E.R.?

Itis a fake acronym.

There never was a Coras Iompair Eireann Railway. Pure fake.

Fred Swanson · 05-08-2017 9:00pm

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05-08-2017 9:10pm

Fratello wrote: »

What's a C.I.E.R.?

I don't know, but I'm sure the BBC didn't ever run any railways!

05-08-2017 9:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't know, but I'm sure the BBC didn't ever run any railways!

If a D.A.R.T.R. comes up I'm getting it. Keep back the rest of ye its mine!

L1011 · 05-08-2017 9:38pm

tabbey wrote: »

Itis a fake acronym.

There never was a Coras Iompair Eireann Railway. Pure fake.

CIE Railways was used as a division name. But it's still a bad fake

whisky_galore · 06-08-2017 12:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know, but I'm sure the BBC didn't ever run any railways!

Its supposed to be Ballymena, Ballymoney, Coleraine and Portrush Junction Railway.

whisky_galore · 06-08-2017 12:08pm

tabbey wrote: »

Most people never saw a pound note in the 19th century

40/ was a standard fine seen on many 19th century public notices, unchanged right into CIE days.

tabbey · 06-08-2017 12:53pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

tabbey wrote: »

Most people never saw a pound note in the 19th century

40/ was a standard fine seen on many 19th century public notices, unchanged right into CIE days.

Correct. Furthermore Edmundson type tickets were usually priced in shillings and old pence until shortly before decimalisation. Most internal Irish fares were under a pound until the 1960s, but cross channel fares (rail & sail) would typically be something like Boyle to Birmingham 47/6.

Del.Monte · 25-11-2017 9:26pm

Another variation of the infamous DNGR sign (see Post.9.in this thread) which has just turned up at auction. Note the addition of 1916 at the bottom right. Well weathered too - in a crude kind of way.

Losty Dublin · 14-02-2018 12:00am

The history of this should give JD a bit of a laugh.

http://www.gcrauctions.com/sale241/lot186.html

Del.Monte · 08-09-2018 3:11pm

The fake DNGR signs keep on coming, this one is included in a Co. Louth auction next week. Scrap value.

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Isambard · 08-09-2018 6:00pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

The history of this should give JD a bit of a laugh.

http://www.gcrauctions.com/sale241/lot186.html

I bet they can prove hardly any of that

whisky_galore · 08-09-2018 11:01pm

Isambard wrote: »

I bet they can prove hardly any of that

Why not?

A reputable specialist auction house unlike a lot of the chancers here selling junk.

Losty Dublin · 10-09-2018 10:07pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

The fake DNGR signs keep on coming, this one is included in a Co. Louth auction next week. Scrap value.

I reckon that the family of Francis Ormsby are making these fake signs to flog off to unsuspecting collectors.

Del.Monte · 03-11-2018 1:22pm

Here's one of the crudest fakes yet. For sale in a Northern Ireland auction next week.

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Isambard · 03-11-2018 8:15pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Here's one of the crudest fakes yet. For sale in a Northern Ireland auction next week.

Is that the reserve? 40 shillings...rip off price

Del.Monte · 14-11-2018 1:27pm

Exhibit .1. in situ on the former Tralee & Dingle Water Tower at Castlegregory Junction.

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Exhibit .2. Something is missing in this Streetview pic!

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Exhibit.3. on DoneDeal today https://www.donedeal.ie/antiques-for-sale/old-railway-sign/20146352 :rolleyes:

Isambard · 14-11-2018 4:23pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Exhibit .1. in situ on the former Tralee & Dingle Water Tower at Castlegregory Junction.

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Brazen

Hotblack Desiato · 14-11-2018 10:17pm

Nice of them to touch up the paint on their stolen sign before flogging it.

tabbey · 14-11-2018 10:32pm

If someone is selling a stolen plaque, it should be reported to the Garda. They probably won't do anything, but such criminal behaviour should not be ignored.

Fair play to Del Monte.

Del.Monte · 06-09-2019 8:46am

An interesting one currently on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-STYLE-IRISH-N-W-R-R-RAILWAY-NOTICE-NEWRY-WARRENPOINT-ROSTREVOR/143373840268?hash=item2161bf2f8c:g:QNIAAOSwZH1dbQP8

Being sold with carefully worded description! Great wear and tear on reverse with evidence of the sign being long fastened to a gate. Serious age wear to holes and even paint looks genuinely ancient - must be a fake though.

Isambard · 06-09-2019 9:00am

the classic car shows are stuffed with fake signs such as these. The vendors will often cheerfully admit they are repro, just as the ebay seller here did (in a guarded sort of way). I picked up a Norton motorbike sign for €20 the other day. Nice decorative item which is displayed outdoors without worrying about it.

It's the guys claiming they are real and asking big money are the villains here. There was one appeared on one of the BBC antique shows recently!

06-09-2019 9:33am

Isambard wrote: »

The vendors will often cheerfully admit they are repro, just as the ebay seller here did (in a guarded sort of way).

I was selling a real railway builder's plate a few years ago on ebay. For this type of item Ebay automatically warns you, before you put it up, that if it is fake and you advertise as real you will be banned or words to that effect. They are making some effort to prevent fakes.

Isambard · 06-09-2019 9:58am

that's good to hear.

Del.Monte · 06-09-2019 1:06pm

Isambard wrote: »

the classic car shows are stuffed with fake signs such as these. The vendors will often cheerfully admit they are repro, just as the ebay seller here did (in a guarded sort of way). I picked up a Norton motorbike sign for €20 the other day. Nice decorative item which is displayed outdoors without worrying about it.

It's the guys claiming they are real and asking big money are the villains here. There was one appeared on one of the BBC antique shows recently!

I'm well aware of the huge number of repros/fakes about but this one is of particular interest because of the authentic wear/back markings etc. plus I haven't these initials before.

seagoebox · 06-09-2019 2:21pm

Take a look at..

www.irishrailwayana.com

scroll down to "unclassified" section, number 5 "Fake Irish Railwayana" and you can see 8 fake examples.. CB&PR, GN&WR, W&TR, C&BR, T&KR, NW&RR, L&LSR and W&CIR.
There are a lot of these signs around at car boot sales.

ciarang85 · 06-09-2019 2:36pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Exhibit .1. in situ on the former Tralee & Dingle Water Tower at Castlegregory Junction.

Exhibit .2. Something is missing in this Streetview pic!

Exhibit.3. on DoneDeal today https://www.donedeal.ie/antiques-for-sale/old-railway-sign/20146352 :rolleyes:

The cowboy must have copied it as he is still selling them,
The background of the sign looks a bit different to the pics you attached

https://www.adverts.ie/signs/sign/18228959

Del.Monte · 10-09-2019 3:19pm

ciarang85 wrote: »

The cowboy must have copied it as he is still selling them,
The background of the sign looks a bit different to the pics you attached

https://www.adverts.ie/signs/sign/18228959

I suspect it's the same one with a lick of paint.

Here's another one for sale at auction - not so much a repro as an entirely made up name.

EBSR%2BGate%2Bnotice.jpg

11-09-2019 10:13am

It's the well known Enniskillen, Bundoran & Sligo.

List of UK and Ireland Rail Companies here:
http://www.railuk.info/company/company_search.php?offset=200&item=&choice=&dir=Next

"Johnsons Railways Atlas and Gazetteer" is also a good source of historic railway companies as well if one was in the casting business....

As a previous poster pointed out this website gives good information on fakes:
http://www.irishrailwayana.com/pa306.htm

He says: "The principal sign subject to this treatment has been the GSWR four line gate." AND "The companies involved frequently had not the slightest connection with the GSWR, and their separate existence often expired long before the era of the GSWR gate."

Del.Monte · 27-01-2020 4:14pm

This 'thing' sold in an Irish saleroom today for €45 - about €45 more than it's worth.

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Isambard · 27-01-2020 7:37pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

This 'thing' sold in an Irish saleroom today for €45 - about €45 more than it's worth.

i think there's one on Donedeal too

whisky_galore · 28-01-2020 9:31am

Isambard wrote: »

i think there's one on Donedeal too

Fools and their money are soon parted.

Fake Railwayana Rogues Gallery

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