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10-01-2019, 17:46   #31
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T I think paternity testing should be offered to all couples as standard.
Jaysus, that would be some destruction to a relationship if yer man says he wants the paternity test and she hasn't as much as looked at another bloke.
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Takes a real horrible person to do something like that to a man. And not just once. She must be a right deceitful cow. I think paternity testing should be offered to all couples as standard. It can have so many consequences to think the wrong person is the dad. Financial, psychological, medical.
the problem is, it would lead to quite a few murders
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Jaysus, that would be some destruction to a relationship if yer man says he wants the paternity test and she hasn't as much as looked at another bloke.
Imagine the government offering a service based on the premise that women are deceitful cheats. Nothing wrong with that at all. Nope

Let's also make all males submit dna based on the premise that they are all potential rapists. That would help with finding the fathers too. What's not to like? Wonder would that go down so well on here?

Aside from the fact that it's minority of women who do this, surely it could lead to violence and endanger the lives of women and children, and the men who might be the father, in some cases

If someone has concerns about paternity they can arrange their own test. It's not something that should be mandatory or offered as a service for all couples.

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The concept that caring about one's genetic lineage - considered by many to be the ultimate meaning of life - is somehow silly or childish, which is often pedalled in feminist forums when the subject of paternity fraud comes up, is something I find unbelievably disturbing and genuingly just very saddening. The idea that a man shouldn't care whether or not he's successfully propagated his genetic line which has replicated itself for the last four billion years, and has no right to be upset or pissed off at discovering that he's been lied to about it, is utterly twisted and repulsive - but it's frightening just how frequent the argument is, that as long as you develop an emotional bond, you shouldn't care whether your own blood flows through your kid's veins and that you're somehow a lesser person if you do.

I really hope it's just a fringe belief on the internet, because it's just incredible sad. To the nihilistic mind, if life is here by accident then it's a beautiful convergence of happenstance, and being denied the chance to take part in that by being falsely told that you already have, is monstrous.
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Imagine the government offering a service based on the premise that women are deceitful cheats. Nothing wrong with that at all. Nope
Why shouldn't every father and son have an absolute guarantee of their genetic identity, rather than having to rely on a third party to choose to provide it?
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She should have to pay him every red cent he contributed to raising those children, and the 4 million.

Scummy thing to do but happens more than is though
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The concept that caring about one's genetic lineage - considered by many to be the ultimate meaning of life - is somehow silly or childish, which is often pedalled in feminist forums when the subject of paternity fraud comes up, is something I find unbelievably disturbing and genuingly just very saddening. The idea that a man shouldn't care whether or not he's successfully propagated his genetic line which has replicated itself for the last four billion years, and has no right to be upset or pissed off at discovering that he's been lied to about it, is utterly twisted and repulsive - but it's frightening just how frequent the argument is, that as long as you develop an emotional bond, you shouldn't care whether your own blood flows through your kid's veins and that you're somehow a lesser person if you do.

I really hope it's just a fringe belief on the internet, because it's just incredible sad. To the nihilistic mind, if life is here by accident then it's a beautiful convergence of happenstance, and being denied the chance to take part in that by being falsely told that you already have, is monstrous.
It's only a small amount. 99% of men and women are seething when such things are revealed

You mention feminist forums, there's gonna be a higher percentage of nuts who think it's ok to do that on a forum like that compared to a general forum and then even less so in real life
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Why shouldn't every father and son have an absolute guarantee of their genetic identity, rather than having to rely on a third party to choose to provide it?
If they want that there is nothing stopping them paying for it privately. Also, why only father and son?
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So a woman with no apparent talent of her own gets 4 million in divorce, just because she happened to marry someone who was an entrepreneur and a hard worker who would work his ass off to give his family a great life.

Said hard working man who spent his life busting his gut for his family, then finds his whole married life was a con, then only gets awarded €250k for his trouble.

What a ****ed up world we live in.
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who was an entrepreneur and a hard worker who would work his ass off to give his family a great life.

Maybe he wouldn't have "made it" without her help at the critical early stages - most startup thingys fail
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It's only a small amount. 99% of men and women are seething when such things are revealed

You mention feminist forums, there's gonna be a higher percentage of nuts who think it's ok to do that on a forum like that compared to a general forum and then even less so in real life
I don't know, I don't think even "feminist nuts" think it's ok to do this. Probably they are more thinking of the impact on the kids of having the person they grew up thinking was their father suddenly disappear. Surely trying to maintain some kind of relationship is best for everyone. No doubt the "father" will also love the children like his own.

In this case I think the kids had already cut contact with him due to his behaviour.
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Jaysus, that would be some destruction to a relationship if yer man says he wants the paternity test and she hasn't as much as looked at another bloke.
Typical emotional blackmail. It should be mandatory to DNA test both people involved to avoid these scenarios. Typical boards response though.
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The french have one of the worst reputations for extra marital infidelity.
So much so that they banned DNA testing for fear of the impact on society.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/fren...doubt-1.773569
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Is it unusual to be diagnosed with cystic fibrosis so late?

Glad she didn’t get away with it anyway. But what an awful shock for him. Cystic fibrosis AND the realisation that his children weren’t his. That is just tough all round. Are men with cystic fibrosis always infertile? I’m sure it’s been proven that he is anyway.
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It goes on a fair bit

Up to 1 in 6 Canadians are victims of paternity fraud
1 in 4 in the UK
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