Froome out of TDF - holy sh1tshow batman

12-06-2019 11:04pm #1

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/48612884

literally was snotting into a tissue and crashed.

magicbastarder · 13-06-2019 8:19am

did it involve a tissue or was it a snot rocket?

magicbastarder · 13-06-2019 8:20am

THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW

magicbastarder · 13-06-2019 8:26am

more seriously though, that sounds much worse than i'd first heard.

Melodeon · 13-06-2019 8:34am

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-remains-in-intensive-care-after-dauphine-crash/

No update on last night's surgery, still in intensive case.
Spokesperson confirmed that his pelvis is NOT broken, contrary to some earlier reports.
Further announcements later today.

Sounds rough

PCX · 13-06-2019 8:40am

A fractured femur is a very serious and painful injury with a long recovery. The fact he is still in intensive care shows that he must have done some real damage.

I wish him the best in his recovery.

beans · 13-06-2019 8:49am

Now that the extent of his injuries is known, I'm less inclined to joke about his bad bike-handling karma.

Macy0161 · 13-06-2019 8:51am

Well he didn't look to be handling the bike that well trying to put the jacket on in the footage ITV had as he headed out for the spin.

Rmulvany · 13-06-2019 8:54am

"He signalled to [team-mate] Wout [Poels] that he was going to clear his nose, he took his hand of the bar to do that and a gust of wind took his front wheel, he lost control and went straight into the wall of a house.

We have had a look at his data, he went from 54km/h to a dead stop."

54 km/h straight into a wall.. Ouch

Lumen · 13-06-2019 9:26am

beans wrote: »

Now that the extent of his injuries is known, I'm less inclined to joke about his bad bike-handling karma.

From what I recall he fixed his crap descending problem several years ago.

Quite unusual to crash no-hands at speed, as the speed gives stability.

He was on his TT bike though, right?

Macy0161 · 13-06-2019 9:40am

Lumen wrote: »

He was on his TT bike though, right?

Yes. The cycling news podcast had spoken to Steven de Jongh, who suggested it was at the end of sheltered bit of the descent. Sounded to me like the cross wind when you pass a field gate.

Two crashes in 3 GT's in TT recce's...

mossym · 13-06-2019 9:45am

Rmulvany wrote: »

54 km/h straight into a wall.. Ouch

Lumen wrote: »

Quite unusual to crash no-hands at speed, as the speed gives stability.

He was on his TT bike though, right?

did something similar at hell of the west in kilkee a few years back, on the tri bike , downhill, took hand off the bars for a gel, hit a bump, 50km/hr to 0 instantaneously.

no broken bones, i could tell as the carbon bars sheared, went into my arm to the bone and i could see it after i sat up. so could tell it wasn't broken.

i got off lightly, lots of stitches but could run a few days later. think it's going to take lot longer for froome to recover.

godtabh · 13-06-2019 9:46am

At his age is it career ending?

J Madone · 13-06-2019 9:48am

godtabh wrote: »

At his age is it career ending?

The end of a fairy tale?

kenmc · 13-06-2019 10:40am

Will it make the tour more or less interesting than usual though? Hopefully more, fed up to the gills with the last couple of years of the sky snoozefest. Don't want to see the same under a different branding

mossym · 13-06-2019 10:44am

kenmc wrote: »

Will it make the tour more or less interesting than usual though? Hopefully more, fed up to the gills with the last couple of years of the sky snoozefest. Don't want to see the same under a different branding

less interesting i'd say. the froome thomas dynamics of who was being supported is now gone, they'll all be riding for thomas. other teams will have one target to watch, ineos can't play games with a feint by one or the other.

i think this guarantees we see thomas being driven home and the other teams trying to react.

CramCycle · 13-06-2019 10:52am

mossym wrote: »

no broken bones, i could tell as the carbon bars sheared, went into my arm to the bone and i could see it after i sat up. so could tell it wasn't broken.

Well my stomach just turned a bit.

TheBlaaMan · 13-06-2019 11:04am

I'm no Froome fan but its sad to read some of the online glee (not here) at his misfortune. No-one who ends up in an ICU needs to be sneered at. Vino had a similar injury (femur at the joint) when he came off during a Tour stage in the Massif Central some time ago...it didnt quite end his career insofar as he recovered and got back to WT racing, but I dont recall if he was ever competitive (ahem) again
Given that Froome has nothing to prove, two nippers and a ....robust....missus at home, he could be forgiven for moving on to the next stage in his life when he recovers. He'll hardly be back in 2019 and turns 35 next Spring

ratracer · 13-06-2019 11:07am

Serious injuries that really could be career threatening. Hope he has a good recovery from it.

I wonder will Eddie get a slot for the Tour now, he could be a great domestique for G.

Macy0161 · 13-06-2019 11:09am

mossym wrote: »

less interesting i'd say. the froome thomas dynamics of who was being supported is now gone, they'll all be riding for thomas. other teams will have one target to watch, ineos can't play games with a feint by one or the other.

I would've thought that it could turn into Thomas/ Bernal dynamics, depending on how Swiss plays out.

TheBlaaMan wrote:

Given that Froome has nothing to prove, two nippers and a ....robust....missus at home, he could be forgiven for moving on to the next stage in his life when he recovers. He'll hardly be back in 2019 and turns 35 next Spring

Can't see him not trying for 5, unless the injuries preclude it.

mossym · 13-06-2019 11:10am

ratracer wrote: »

I wonder will Eddie get a slot for the Tour now, he could be a great domestique for G.

good point, could be a plus out of this for irish fans

mossym · 13-06-2019 11:13am

Macy0161 wrote: »

I would've thought that it could turn into Thomas/ Bernal dynamics, depending on how Swiss plays out.

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could be, i was reading something at the weekend of ineos keeping 3 options going in tdf with Froome/thomas/bernal, given how ruthless they have been i could not see them leaving that much to chance, 2 maybe, 3 no way

off topic, but does anyone else find themselves keep typing sky and having to correct it? (and in my case probably spelling it ar$eways as well)

Daroxtar · 13-06-2019 11:18am

godtabh wrote: »

At his age is it career ending?

At any age it's potentially career ending. At his age it's a distinct possibility.
The full extent of his injuries according to L'equipe are pretty horrific. https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/Actualites/Froome-a-ete-opere-pendant-8-heures/1029441
Speaking from experience, bouncing off the road at 40kmh is very painful, I can't imagine and don't want to think about hitting a wall at 55.

Macy0161 · 13-06-2019 11:20am

mossym wrote: »

off topic, but does anyone else find themselves keep typing sky and having to correct it? (and in my case probably spelling it ar$eways as well)

I was away during the Giro, so followed it mainly through podcasts. I have Johan Bruyneel's saying it ingrained at this stage from The Move* podcast.

*I feel the need to clarify, it was the third in the list after The Cycling Podcast and The Velocast, but was much better for the lack of Armstrong. BBC Bespoke wasn't daily, but I found Whittle really irritating this time (after always having time for him up to that point!). I have massive problems with Bruyneel as a manager/ supplier/ enabler (delete as applicable), but tactically he has good insight.

Taxuser1 · 13-06-2019 11:55am

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

I'm no Froome fan but its sad to read some of the online glee (not here) at his misfortune. No-one who ends up in an ICU needs to be sneered at. Vino had a similar injury (femur at the joint) when he came off during a Tour stage in the Massif Central some time ago...it didnt quite end his career insofar as he recovered and got back to WT racing, but I dont recall if he was ever competitive (ahem) again
Given that Froome has nothing to prove, two nippers and a ....robust....missus at home, he could be forgiven for moving on to the next stage in his life when he recovers. He'll hardly be back in 2019 and turns 35 next Spring

Vino won the Olympic road race the following year.

Taxuser1 · 13-06-2019 12:01pm

I think the Ineos final Tour team could be far from certain right now. Anything could happen in Switzerland, it's usually pissing rain there too. If replacing climber for climber, I think Dunbar was stronger than Sivakov in the final week unless they give the place to Tao Geoghen Hart because of his early withdrawal - probably the most likely? Wouldn't be giving it to Moscon on current form. Might be a shoot out between Eddie and TGH

Dave on a bike · 13-06-2019 12:03pm

godtabh wrote: »

At his age is it career ending?

A fractured femur is potentially career ending at any age. At 34 time is not on his side though. I'd be surprised if we ever see him in the peleton again.

magicbastarder · 13-06-2019 4:45pm

the timing on this is unfortunate:

Chris Froome stands to be declared winner of 2011 Vuelta a Espana
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-stands-to-be-declared-winner-of-2011-vuelta-a-espana/

Weepsie · 13-06-2019 5:07pm

So discrepancies found years later in biopassport, however no test failed at time = DQ
Failed test at time, for which others have been DQ'd and suspended = Awarding of overall victory so long as you can drag it through the court long enough

Not that I disagree with the decision, it's just more inconsistency from what I can see.

Chips Lovell · 13-06-2019 5:13pm

I don't think it's inconsistent though. Froome was investigated and cleared. Cobo was investigated and suspended.

Plenty of riders have failed tests before only to have the decision overturned on appeal.

SharpshooterTom · 13-06-2019 6:38pm

What chances do you give of Cobo overturning this?

Inquitus · 13-06-2019 7:23pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

the timing on this is unfortunate:

Chris Froome stands to be declared winner of 2011 Vuelta a Espana
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-stands-to-be-declared-winner-of-2011-vuelta-a-espana/

Was about to post this, I have to say it's hardly a surprise.

Eamonnator · 13-06-2019 7:44pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

What chances do you give of Cobo overturning this?

Two hopes of him overturning:
Bob and No

Lumen · 13-06-2019 11:19pm

Dave on a bike wrote: »

A fractured femur is potentially career ending at any age. At 34 time is not on his side though. I'd be surprised if we ever see him in the peleton again.

Nah, be grand.

"He has the moral [sic] of a winner and can bounce back quickly. He immediately asked when he can sit on his bike again. I expect that he will be out of competition for at least 6 months. His sporting future is not in danger."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-awake-but-will-remains-in-hospital-under-observation/

Dr. Bre · 13-06-2019 11:31pm

Always was suspicious of that cobo victory

14-06-2019 12:48am

A 40+ year old Chris Horner beating a Giro winning that year Nibbles by about 40 seconds in 2013 was an eyebrow raiser too.

14-06-2019 3:14am

Being retroactively awarded a Grand Tour and crashing at the Dauphiné are not very good for your career prospects. If I was Nibali I'd steer clear of the place for a few years.

1bryan · 14-06-2019 8:25am

Chips Lovell wrote: »

I don't think it's inconsistent though. Froome was investigated and cleared. Cobo was investigated and suspended.

Plenty of riders have failed tests before only to have the decision overturned on appeal.

yeah, normally ones with sh!tloads of money behind them.

Froome wasn't cleared as a result of an investigation into him. He was 'cleared' because the UCI backed down when Sky's legal might came at them all-guns-blazing to quiz the validity of a test due to findings by some college students that mice blah blah blah. Read Ross Tucker if you want details but it was a nonsense and the authorities didn't have the energy for the fight.

Fcuk Froome and fcuk sky. He has his victories and he'll probably always have them . We're allowed to think what we want. I made my mind up the day he beat Cobo up Pena Carbaga in the 2011 vuelta. Nothing since then has caused me to change it.

i wish him well in his recovery from his injuries but if he never returns to the sport, it will be too soon.

Finnrocco · 14-06-2019 9:27am

Daroxtar wrote: »

At any age it's potentially career ending. At his age it's a distinct possibility.
The full extent of his injuries according to L'equipe are pretty horrific. https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/Actualites/Froome-a-ete-opere-pendant-8-heures/1029441
Speaking from experience, bouncing off the road at 40kmh is very painful, I can't imagine and don't want to think about hitting a wall at 55.

Try 75 km in my case, still sore 5 years later, although i landed in the ditch.

Having been through it, cant see him being competitive again this season and maybe not next year either.

Chips Lovell · 14-06-2019 9:31am

1bryan wrote: »

Froome wasn't cleared as a result of an investigation into him. He was 'cleared' because the UCI backed down when Sky's legal might came at them all-guns-blazing to quiz the validity of a test due to findings by some college students that mice blah blah blah. Read Ross Tucker if you want details but it was a nonsense and the authorities didn't have the energy for the fight.

First of all, bear in mind Froome's case involved Ventolin, which is world's apart from blood doping.

Secondly, the rules are pretty clear. If you can establish that the abnormal result was the consequence of a permitted use, it's not an anti-doping violation.

I get that Froome is dull as ditch water. I get that his team aren't likeable, but that's not a reason to deny him due process.

Finnrocco · 14-06-2019 9:39am

Finnrocco wrote: »

Try 75 km in my case, still sore 5 years later, although i landed in the ditch.

Having been through it, cant see him being competitive again this season and maybe not next year either.

I'm not belittling Froome's crash, I wish him all the best in his recovery.

Just shows, none of us knows what is just around the corner, literally.

Dave on a bike · 14-06-2019 9:49am

mossym wrote: »

less interesting i'd say. the froome thomas dynamics of who was being supported is now gone, they'll all be riding for thomas. other teams will have one target to watch, ineos can't play games with a feint by one or the other.

i think this guarantees we see thomas being driven home and the other teams trying to react.

I'd be surprised if Ineos don't try and keep Bernal well up on GC so they always have a second card to play if Thomas falters.

14-06-2019 10:10am

Dan Martin looked shook talking about it yesterday, he was just behind when it happened.

1bryan · 14-06-2019 10:59am

Chips Lovell wrote: »

First of all, bear in mind Froome's case involved Ventolin, which is world's apart from blood doping.

Secondly, the rules are pretty clear. If you can establish that the abnormal result was the consequence of a permitted use, it's not an anti-doping violation.

I get that Froome is dull as ditch water. I get that his team aren't likeable, but that's not a reason to deny him due process.

see it's not really due process if it's not available to everyone. Others before him got bans for the same violation. 'Due process' didn't absolve them. Why should it have absolved Froome? Oh yeah, cos money.

Sorry, but the whole thing stinks. One law for the rich, etc......

The day he was popped I was convinced he'd find a way out of it, and it would be because of a 't' that wasn't crossed, as opposed to 'proven-beyond-doubt' innocence.

And I'm convinced if he's ever popped again for anything, the same thing will happen.

Taxuser1 · 14-06-2019 11:35am

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this taken at face value is horse manure - same race Froome makes a name for himself from the unknown.

Macy0161 · 14-06-2019 4:11pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Always was suspicious of that cobo victory

The top two were pretty extraordinary - one with no contract offer from either his current team or anyone, coming from no where to put in such a performance. The other was Cobo...

griffin100 · 15-06-2019 4:48pm

Now reported be fractured his neck as well.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/chris-froome-admits-he-is-lucky-to-be-alive-after-horror-crash-1.3927223%3fmode=amp

He’s a lucky man, could have been a lot worse.

neris · 18-06-2019 5:40pm

Uh oh

https://twitter.com/cyclingreporter/status/1140990720788111363?s=19

18-06-2019 7:49pm

He'll be fine I think looked to be mostly road rash when I was watching earlier, he was holding his shoulder for a bit and took a knock on the head, but the shoulder seemed fine when they got him to take the jersey off and put a gillet on him.

I'd say the only reason he didn't hop back up was the blow to the head, he looked a little dazed to me.

Not good though going in to the tour in a few weeks and missing out on racing the hard stages here for preparation.

at1withmyself · 18-06-2019 8:17pm

On Eurosport 2 now, been on the ground now for about 10 minutes but is moving

Froome out of TDF - holy sh1tshow batman

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