Stallions

tryfix · 12-11-2011 1:20am

UrbanSea wrote: »

As would I.
Not surprised to see Dylan Thomas down. I really did not like his 2 year olds this year.

I think you'd need to be barking mad to go to Canford Cliffs at 17.5k. I'd rather Rip at the same money,or Holy Roman for less. Danehill Dancer represents value there.

I really can't see who would want to pay 65k sterling for Dubawi. That is absolutely ludacris. I'd have Dansili above him any day of the week.

King's Best at 12k isn't bad either

It's £75,000 for Dubawi, just can't see the logic in that price. His sons wouldn't exactly be red hot sire material either while a nice Dansili for the same money would be very attractive commercially.
Agree with you about Canford Cliffs, I like the horse but there are a lot of proven sires with better pedigrees standing for cheaper.

UrbanSea · 12-11-2011 1:25am

You'd want to be barking to go to Dubawi at that price.

I wonder are Darley setting his price to try and perceive him as a ''premier stallion'' as such. I'd much rather Exceed and Excel if I were going for a Darley one.

Not surprised at all to see Teofilo go to 25k,really liked his two year olds.

tryfix · 12-11-2011 10:53pm

Roderick O'Connor to stand at Ballyhane stud, no details on his stud fee yet.

UrbanSea · 13-11-2011 3:08pm

That's a big draw for Ballyhane

UrbanSea · 17-11-2011 4:01pm

An absolutely beautifully bred filly by Sea the Stars sold for over 800k at the Goff sales today.

Look at this article,I never realised Sea the Stars was a son of Galileo,being half brothers and all.

A foal from the first crop of Sea The Stars was sold for €800,000 at Goffs on Thursday.

The foal sale which began on Tuesday came alight today with the battle to purchase the filly who is out of three-time Group One winning mare Finsceal Beo.

She was the first offering from the brilliant son of Galileo who won eight of his nine starts, including the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, the Derby, the Eclipse and the Irish Champion Stakes.

Bidding started at 100,000 euros but quickly passed the half a million mark before being knocked down to agent John McCormack.

The second of his progeny to be offered was a colt out of Humilis, a Sadler's Wells mare who won a Listed race, and he, too, attracted plenty of interest before going to Blandford Bloodstock for 110,000 euros.

That was only the third highest sale on an exciting day at Goffs which also saw a daughter of Teofilo out of Grecian Bride sold for 200,000 euros to Derrinstown Stud.

tryfix · 17-11-2011 5:37pm

Good to see them selling well Urban, hopefully they will do it on the track.

UrbanSea · 17-11-2011 5:59pm

Any idea who he buys them for?

Colonel Sanders · 17-11-2011 11:28pm

Interestingly Jim Bolger owned a few of the dams of these foals sold. Not quite sure why he's not keeping them to race himself, especially the fillies.

He was a huge supporter of Galileo from Day 1 so no surprise he sent mares to STS in numbers.

Many of the ones Bolger sent were daughters of Galileo making the offspring inbred 2x3 to Urban Sea which I would've thought was a bit close!

I'm pretty sure I read on the Betfair forum that Finsceal Beo visited Galileo either this year or last.

UrbanSea · 17-11-2011 11:42pm

He basically put Galileo on the big time list. He couldn't afford other Coolmore stallions so used him instead. New Approach and Teofilo have been two of his best colts and Teofilo has made a very nice start at stud.

UrbanSea · 18-11-2011 11:12pm

The more I look at Dubawi's new stud fee the more I laugh. 75 thousand pounds is the worst investment you could possibly make.

Imhof Tank · 18-11-2011 11:52pm

UrbanSea wrote: »

He basically put Galileo on the big time list. He couldn't afford other Coolmore stallions so used him instead. New Approach and Teofilo have been two of his best colts and Teofilo has made a very nice start at stud.

That wouldnt exactly be Jim's version now though.

He did try the same thing before in the 90s - block booking his mares to an unproven first season sire, Last Tycoon, based on a hunch. He put all his eggs in the one basket, it was a disaster and nearly broke him at the time.

UrbanSea · 18-11-2011 11:53pm

That was the excuse given at the time.

I remember reading about that,he mentioned it in that programme on him that Setanta had a few months ago. Nearly put him out of business. What a strange stallion to take a chance on too

Imhof Tank · 19-11-2011 12:06am

The Last Tycoon thing - he basically just took a view and backed his judgment, and was proven wrong.

I dont know Las Tycoon's breeding but I do remember him on the track - 6F specialist until he moved up to take the Breeders Cup mile. Very similar racing profile to Royal Academy who (from memory now so open to correction) came one or two seasons before him and would have been fashionable when LT retired.

Edit - actually, he retired in 86 so came before Royal Academy (bored so looked it up)

tryfix · 20-11-2011 12:47am

Sea The Stars certainly lit up Goffs sale. The Tsui family paid €850,000 for a Sea The Stars 3/4 brother to Soldier Of Fortune.

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/breeding/rsNewsArt.asp?NID=230758

Banimpire sold for €2.3million and will continue her racing career in the US.

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/breeding/rsNewsArt.asp?NID=230758

UrbanSea · 24-11-2011 8:07pm

I can't wait to see some of Fastnet Rock's over here.

I see Duke of Marmalade's are going very well at the sales.
Bushranger's are selling ridiculously well too. Think I saw an average of about 20k off a stud fe of around 5k

JimDeChamp · 24-11-2011 10:28pm

Fastnet Rock is a beauty, but he's gonna be screwd with his first 2yr old... But Coolmore have sent him some proper mares so hopefully his first full crop wil do him justice...!

UrbanSea · 25-11-2011 2:46am

I don't think he'll be screwed with his first two year olds,I think he had 4 group 1 winners in Oz this year. He could be the new sprinter superstar stallion

UrbanSea · 26-11-2011 11:44am

UrbanSea wrote: »

I can't wait to see some of Fastnet Rock's over here.

I see Duke of Marmalade's are going very well at the sales.
Bushranger's are selling ridiculously well too. Think I saw an average of about 20k off a stud fe of around 5k

Bushranger's are doing fantastic
Average sale price (off 6 sold) 45,167 gns
Stud fee:7,500 e

Aqlaam
Sold:4
Average:62,750 gns
Fee:7,000 GBP

JimDeChamp · 27-11-2011 8:51pm

Officially he wil only have 1 two yr old in 2012 in the northern hemisphere which wil screw him for the fact that he could not be a leading first season sire...!

UrbanSea · 28-11-2011 6:34pm

May not be but people will know of his quality.

The more I think about it the more I think that it was such a pity Mozart only got a year at stud. He could have been an absolutely fantastic sprint stallion

kksaints · 28-11-2011 8:18pm

How Aussie Rules doing as a stallion? I always liked him as a racehorse.

bellybuster12 · 28-11-2011 9:50pm

The Dandy man's foals sold well in goffs last week also.

Of the 22 on offer only 1 was not sold and 1 withdrawn.

So 20 sold at an average of €20,395 for a modest €3,500.

UrbanSea · 29-11-2011 12:46am

kksaints wrote: »

How Aussie Rules doing as a stallion? I always liked him as a racehorse.

Not exactly setting the world alight. Just checked,2 group 3 winners and five listed winners.

Huntthe · 02-12-2011 1:39pm

kksaints wrote: »

How Aussie Rules doing as a stallion? I always liked him as a racehorse.

His first crop 2yr olds did well but they did not train on as 3yr olds this year and he has been sold to stand in the Uk. He's a nice option to give you a nice two yr old but a bit on the short side.

Huntthe · 02-12-2011 1:46pm

tryfix wrote: »

Zoffany is a nice type and I think he has what it takes to be a successful sire. I'd rather take a chance on him at €7,500 than Mastercraftsman at €15,000.

Zoffany was a bleeder.

Huntthe · 02-12-2011 1:47pm

tryfix wrote: »

Roderick O'Connor to stand at Ballyhane stud, no details on his stud fee yet.

9k

JimDeChamp · 02-12-2011 3:23pm

I don't ever remember zoffany bleeding..! His wheels were a problem tho

UrbanSea · 02-12-2011 11:28pm

Roderic O'Connor was the worse campaigned horse ever after his Guineas win

JimDeChamp · 03-12-2011 8:18am

I totally agree but he wasn't the only horse badly campaigned, alot of horses were ran just for the sake of running them, alot were ran over the wrong trip, to me alot were disappointing also....!

UrbanSea · 03-12-2011 3:07pm

Why he was put in the Irish Derby is beyond me, just like using Treasure Beach as a pacemaker in the Arc

Huntthe · 03-12-2011 5:04pm

He's a grp1 winner at 2 and a classic winner and he looks the part in the flesh, taller than you'd think seeing as Joe O'B was riding him.

JimDeChamp · 04-12-2011 8:32am

Hold on here now, Roderic is by no means big, he's a nice horse but one thing he's not is big....!

tryfix · 04-12-2011 11:27am

JimDeChamp wrote: »

Hold on here now, Roderic is by no means big, he's a nice horse but one thing he's not is big....!

I thought when he ran in the Irish Derby he looked quite small running around at the back of the field. On looking at the race again he looks slightly smaller than most of the field but his stride seemed shorter than the others which made him look smaller. What do you think ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_M_WhIgmLg

Huntthe wrote: »

Zoffany was a bleeder.

First I heard of it, the horse seemed top class until his last few races. Was it a recent thing and if so why didn't the anti-bleeding drugs he would have run on in the USA improve his performance?

JimDeChamp · 04-12-2011 2:54pm

Roderic wouldn't look out of place in dingle...! Zoffany never bled, he couldnt run fast enough to bleed. I honestly would love to know where some people come up with these ideas...!

Huntthe · 06-12-2011 10:41am

JimDeChamp wrote: »

Hold on here now, Roderic is by no means big, he's a nice horse but one thing he's not is big....!

Did you deliberately misread what I said.Show me where I said he was 'big' ? He's not the midget he looks on TV. He's just shy of 15.3 .

Zoffany ran in the breeders cup on Lasix and two other anti-bleeder meds. It's on the record. Maybe they just gave them to him for the craic !

JimDeChamp · 06-12-2011 11:25am

"He's a grp1 winner at 2 and a classic winner and he looks the part in the flesh, taller than you'd think seeing as Joe O'B was riding him."

That to me reads your saying he's a big horse...
When did I ever say I thought he looked big from watching him on the tv, ive seen the horse on the flesh more than anyone else here he's small and if you honestly knew anything you'd know that if someone tells you a horse is 15.3 he's 15.1 or 2 and unless you bring a measuring stick with you to see a horse you won't know exactly what height he is...

All the Ballydoyle horses ran on anti bleeders, so does that mean they all bleed...?? You might think this is funny but they just ran them on it for the sake of it because they wanted as much in their favour as possible...!

JimDeChamp · 06-12-2011 11:27am

Another thing being just shy of 15.3 is a nice way of saying small...! Anything in the 15 hand range is small...!

shy-tall-knight · 06-12-2011 11:41am

Interesting NH stallion who's runners I'll be watching out for in the next while is Gold Well. He is an unraced full brother to Montjeu standing for just 1500 euro this season at Arctic Tack Stud in Co. Wexford. His two Irish runners this season both won on debut, Well Mett in a Downpatrick bumper and Joxer won in Puchestown and finished second to Moscow Mannon at Fairyhouse last weekend.
His progeny have won 5 times from 13 runs, finished 2nd 3 times and 3rd once.

He has a few runners out over the next week or so so I'll be keeping an eye on them, obviously its quite a small sample size but a decent strike rate none the less.
Entries this week are:

10 Dec 11:50 Lingfield Cl4 Gleann Eagas (IRE) 4-y-o, m Glen Princess (IRE)
9Dec11 9:25 Dundalk Princess Kitty (IRE) 3-y-o, m Kitty Girl (IRE)
8Dec11 3:30 Huntingdon Cl6 Well Mett (IRE) 4-y-o, m Beit Millat (USA)

Huntthe · 06-12-2011 2:02pm

taller than you'd think

That to me reads your saying he's a big horse

You have a comprehension issue .

If your standing beside him and you know how tall you are and have measured plenty in the same way before than you know how tall he is.
15.3 is not small for a flat stallion. Just under 15.3 is a tad on the short side but not a major issue as long as your mares not small.

Zoffany was a bleeder, no skin of my nose whether you accept that or not . Soyouthink did not run on additional meds.

JimDeChamp · 06-12-2011 2:27pm

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but you know very little when it comes to horses buddy, zoffany never bled, just because a horse runs on anti bleeders, doesn't mean he's bled or ever wil bleed. I've sat on him, he's never bled...!

You saying as long as a mare isn't too small it's ok, I've seen big mares go to yeats and fastnet and they have bred rats...!

Huntthe · 06-12-2011 4:17pm

JimDeChamp wrote: »

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but you know very little when it comes to horses buddy, zoffany never bled, just because a horse runs on anti bleeders, doesn't mean he's bled or ever wil bleed. I've sat on him, he's never bled...!

You saying as long as a mare isn't too small it's ok, I've seen big mares go to yeats and fastnet and they have bred rats...!

Yeh , your obviously a genius

JimDeChamp · 06-12-2011 5:00pm

You bet ya buddy... Wel done its the only true thing you've said yet....!

myfeelings · 06-12-2011 6:59pm

Zoffany bled through lasix on his dismal run in the Shadwell Turf Mile. Not sure did he bleed through them at the Breeders Cup but there was something wrong there as well while taking lasix.

I dont see why you'd send a big mare to yeats as the resulting foal wont race til its 3 or 4, fine if your thinking national hunt.

It is through that High Chaparral did cover national hunt mares, it was the route he was going and got very lucky indeed.

Roderic isnt big and he isnt tiny either. You dont need big stallions just look at Oasis Dream and Danehill Dancer

JimDeChamp · 06-12-2011 7:39pm

Another all Ireland know all here now...! Look at dancer is right his foals are all big strong foals their all like bulls...! High chap covers plenty of nh mares and to anybody who knows anything will say he's a nh stallion, Jp has barns full of high chaps... Small foals don't sell like the big ones do unless they have a savage swing to them...! Don't get me wrong tho a nice size foal has to have a frame to go with it..

myfeelings · 06-12-2011 9:18pm

I'm sorry to inform you but i also have a good knowledge of the breeding game so no point trying to act smart with me. And there is nothing wrong with a smallish foal that you know will turn out around 16 hands, a big backward foal is uncommercial and will struggle to find a buyer at yearlings sales. Who wants a horse that 17 hands? Not me

UrbanSea · 16-12-2011 1:48am

Lads trying to find some info on Lil's Boy as to where he's standing/fee/progeny. Can find very limited info at the minute.

JimDeChamp · 16-12-2011 1:55pm

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/stallionbook/stallion.sd?popup=1&horse_id=449177

UrbanSea · 16-12-2011 2:07pm

Thanks Jim,that's the one I'd been using,not too much info on him there.

Huntthe · 19-12-2011 5:40pm

UrbanSea wrote: »

Lads trying to find some info on Lil's Boy as to where he's standing/fee/progeny. Can find very limited info at the minute.

What would you like to know ? he stood at Jim Bolgers place which is managed by is nephew Ken Bolger. You should be able to look up Ken Bolger, Redmonstown Stud, just outside of Oylgate Co. Carlow. I'm not sure if they still have him. They are standing a U.S bred fella called Vocalised at the moment.

Huntthe · 24-12-2011 10:16am

Frozen power to Ballyhane 4.5k.

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