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Rachel Allen’s son arrested for €30,000 drugs seizure

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    #302
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RasTa wrote: »
    It's not a serious crime
    Yeah, that's why it carries a minimum ten-year sentence, because it's only a minor issue :rolleyes:


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    #303
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I actually find it interesting how crimes were committed by men but the punishment should be dished at women.

    She just happens to be a woman - if she was a man I'd feel the exact same. This is not Saudi Arabia!
    I feel the same about her husband if that makes you feel any better - he's just not the face of the family business, she is!

    But you feel free to rail against the patriarchy or whatever the hell it is that floats your boat. It's not her chromosomes I have an issue with, it's her tacit support for her filthbag father in law that disgusts me. I've said the same thing here several times - every time I see a thread about her.


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    #304
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    lazygal wrote: »
    The usual "jealousy" line! Darina stood by her husband who's a child sex offender. The rest of the family did too. That's not a family I'll give money to or have sympathy for.

    I'd bet my bottom dollar that you and the other high-minded moralists on this thread regularly give money to companies that have all kinds of shady histories. To cite just one example, Hugo Boss became successful in no small part because it won a lucrative contract to manufacture Nazi uniforms, which it did from about 1928 onwards. Boss himself was a card-carrying member of the Nazi party. And yet Hugo Boss today has revenue of almost €3 billion annually.

    Yes, Darina Allen stood by her husband. Many other wives have done the same thing. I'd imagine that if you were to find yourself in the position of being closely related to a convicted sex offender, you might find that it's a little bit more complicated than you imagine to sever all ties with that person -- especially if you'd been with them for 32 years and had a family and a business with them.

    It's far easier to be a hurler on the ditch, though.


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    #305
    margaretdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭margaretdublin


    Her PR advisors at the time handled it badly. No mother should publicly defend the actions of her her husband and I think this what got to people. But that was a long time ago, it wouldn't be handled like that nowadays. She wasn't to blame but she should never have stood up for him in public saying sure he was only watching it on the internet!

    Moving back to the current story the son looks really spoiled driving an Audi!



    meeeeh wrote: »
    I actually find it interesting how crimes were committed by men but the punishment should be dished at women.


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    #306
    RasTa
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    seamus wrote: »
    Yeah, that's why it carries a minimum ten-year sentence, because it's only a minor issue :rolleyes:

    It's not or ever has being a min 10 year sentence for cannabis over 10k

    He will get a similar sentence to this

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/new-dad-caught-with-35000-worth-of-drugs-avoids-jail-sentence-34698697.html


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    #307
    JohnnyFlash
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    I presume this guy used Bitcoin or some other crypto currency to buy these drugs? After 10 years it remains the only viable use case for these scam coins.


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    #308
    jimgoose
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    Rachel Allen is a nice lady and doesn't deserve this kind of crap. She has my sympathy.


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    #309
    sbsquarepants
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    jimgoose wrote: »
    Rachel Allen is a nice nice looking lady woman .

    That's closer to the truth!


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    #310
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    jimgoose wrote: »
    Rachel Allen is a nice lady and doesn't deserve this kind of crap. She has my sympathy.

    Unless you're dancing around calling her a "cúnt," you have no place in this thread.


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    #311
    jimgoose
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    That's closer to the truth!

    My better half is part of the Chocolate Brownie Mafia down there - they're the People Who Know(TM)! :D


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    #312
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    jimgoose wrote: »
    My better half is part of the Chocolate Brownie Mafia down there - they're the People Who Know(TM)! :D

    I do like chocolate brownies, hook me up jim:D


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    #313
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RasTa wrote: »
    It's not or ever has being a min 10 year sentence for cannabis over 10k

    He will get a similar sentence to this

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/new-dad-caught-with-35000-worth-of-drugs-avoids-jail-sentence-34698697.html
    Actually it is. If you are caught with €13k or more, there's a minimum ten-year sentence.

    If the court is satisfied that there are "exceptional and specific circumstances", then it may impose a lower sentence, as in the case you have.

    But there is a minimum ten year sentence for it. You can't pretend the supply of €30k of drugs is not a serious offence just because it doesn't suit your lifestyle.


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    #314
    RasTa
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    seamus wrote: »
    Actually it is. If you are caught with €13k or more, there's a minimum ten-year sentence.

    If the court is satisfied that there are "exceptional and specific circumstances", then it may impose a lower sentence, as in the case you have.

    But there is a minimum ten year sentence for it. You can't pretend the supply of €30k of drugs is not a serious offence just because it doesn't suit your lifestyle.

    No judge in the history of this country has ever sent someone to jail for 10 years for 30k worth of cannabis so whatever you keep on saying is incorrect. Not sure why it's so hard to admit


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    #315
    Deusexmachina
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    RasTa wrote: »
    No judge in the history of this country has ever sent someone to jail for 10 years for 30k worth of cannabis so whatever you keep on saying is incorrect. Not sure why it's so hard to admit

    Or so important to him. It's sick.


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    #316
    ohnonotgmail
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    RasTa wrote: »
    No judge in the history of this country has ever sent someone to jail for 10 years for 30k worth of cannabis so whatever you keep on saying is incorrect. Not sure why it's so hard to admit


    apparently they have. s. 15A is what Allen's son will be charged with. Most don't get the "minimum" of 10 years but a third of them do.


    The case law analysed shows that ‘in the majority of s. 15A and s. 15B sentences (67% of those surveyed), the presumptive minimum sentence of 10 years imprisonment or more is not imposed by the courts despite the fact that this sentence is popularly described as a “mandatory minimum
    https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/23698/


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    #317
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    seamus wrote: »
    Actually it is. If you are caught with €13k or more, there's a minimum ten-year sentence............

    There is no way he'll get a 10 year sentance, well, unless most of it is suspended.


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    #318
    seamus
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    RasTa wrote: »
    No judge in the history of this country has ever sent someone to jail for 10 years for 30k worth of cannabis so whatever you keep on saying is incorrect.
    It's right there in the legislation.

    It's possible for both of us to be right, you know. The minimum sentence is ten years, but nobody has ever gone down for it.

    The original point still stands; non-serious crimes don't carry minimum ten-year terms.


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    #319
    jobless
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    Vologda69 wrote: »
    And Rachel had just got over the shock that he had made the family nanny pregnant...kid apparently has ADHD too. So a lot on their plate to deal with at the minute

    how has this been glossed over?.... haha


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    #320
    Muahahaha
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    The old Tim Allen took the hit for a family member schtick always comes up in these threads. The rumour seems designed to deflect attention from him and to gain sympathy for poor Tim but the reality is if it is true then all the Allens who know about it perverted the course of justice and now we have an unconvicted paedo on the loose that the Gardai dont know about nor have logged on the sex offenders register. That makes things even worse for Tim and family, not better.

    In any case this young lad is in a fair spot of bother. Dealing is one thing but importing drugs across borders is trafficking and is a whole new level of seriousness. I would be surprised if he gets away without a sentence, only question is will it be suspended?


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    #321
    margaretdublin
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    I've no doubt if he has ADHD they will use this or another medical condition to garnish sypmathy for the crime.

    Muahahaha wrote: »

    In any case this young lad is in a fair spot of bother. Dealing is one thing but importing drugs across borders is trafficking and is a whole new level of seriousness. I would be surprised if he gets away without a sentence, only question is will it be suspended?


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    #322
    tretorn
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    Who is "he" who got the family nanny pregnant.

    Its hardly the eighteen year old.


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    #323
    sbsquarepants
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    I for one have a sneaking suspicion he'll be ok. Time will tell.

    By far the lesser of the two crimes to my mind in any case.


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    #324
    tretorn
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    His friends parents will be searching their houses from top to bottom and will keep their teens under lock and key.

    So many parents are so busy and so stressed now they have no idea what their teens are up to.


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    #325
    meeeeh
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    tretorn wrote: »
    His friends parents will be searching their houses from top to bottom and will keep their teens under lock and key.

    So many parents are so busy and so stressed now they have no idea what their teens are up to.

    This is a bit more serious than someone growing a bit of weed in their back garden. I very much doubt ordering 30k of drugs is his first offence. Either that or there could be some drug or other debt but an 18 year old from a well of family doesn't just decide to become fairly large scale dealer one afternoon. This is not just teens acting up.


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    #326
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    seamus wrote: »
    Your feelings on recreational drugs are irrelevant. The reason it's a serious crime is because the smuggling, importation and sale of large quantities of any drug provides funding for criminal gangs.

    Whatever about the limited impact that an individual user has, this was 1.5kg of it. That's enough money to fund 3 or 4 gangland murders.

    The seriousness of the crime is reflected in the relatively hard sentences passed down for "sale or supply" offences, versus simple possession ones.

    By all accounts he bought online from a US state where it is legal. If anything he has completely circumvented organized crime


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    #327
    yourdeadwright
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    I'd imagine someone has talked him into this ,
    Knowing he probably had access to the money to pay for it, then promise him a cut of the sales, No way he woke up one day and decided to buy that much online, Surely he is not that stupid,
    Id imagine a friend got small amount online before and showed him it was hassle free and an easy way to make a few quid but obviously with such a large amount they got caught,


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    #328
    5rtytry56
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Surely he is not that stupid,

    I agree with everything else you say, just not this.


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    #329
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,521 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    5rtytry56 wrote: »
    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Surely he is not that stupid,

    I agree with everything else you say, just not this.
    Well obvious he is stupid but imagine he'd have to be talked into and show by his friend that he had done it previous, Which people do but with very small amounts ,


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    #330
    PlaneSpeeking
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I'd imagine someone has talked him into this ,
    Knowing he probably had access to the money to pay for it, then promise him a cut of the sales, No way he woke up one day and decided to buy that much online, Surely he is not that stupid,
    Id imagine a friend got small amount online before and showed him it was hassle free and an easy way to make a few quid but obviously with such a large amount they got caught,

    Seriously ????

    Jesus no wonder we have crime in this country - everything is excused as "someone tricked me into all that", cf Ross Geller in Friends.


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    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    There was more to the story than meets the eye - Tim put family before himself......

    If anything this rumour, if true, would be even worse than what actually happened.

    If true it would mean that Tim Allen was aware his son was downloading child porn and protected him from being prosecuted for it.

    People seem to forget that Tim Allen actually tried to blame a different staff member who also used the laptop and said that it must have been this person who was accessing these child porn websites - however the purchase of nearly 1000 child porn images was made using Tim Allens credit card details (thats how he was caught in the first place).

    So no - I dont believe that Tim Allen was taking the hit for anyone, he was in fact trying to have someone unrelated take the hit for him.

    As for the latest news of criminal activity from another family member - its not surprising. The family dynamics must be as toxic as anything. They protected someone who was downloading child porn and then left him with a position within the family business.

    If anything I would think this 18 year old child had very little going for him to help him grow up a fine upstanding member of society considering the family he comes from.


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