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13-09-2019, 15:34   #46
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I actually had a search of the vaping forum yesterday to see if there was a thread on this after having watched this exact video on YouTube.

It looks like all this sh1t in the states is a deliberate misrepresentation. From what I can see, the majority of the people in difficulty have been vaping home made CBD oil, and not e-liquid produced by reputable companies.

I think most people who vape recognise that it's not entirely benign, but it's a damn sight better than smoking.

My view is that it's probably to stick to some of the less fancy flavours as the flavouring is where the risk is. About a year after I started vaping there was the diacetyl scandal and discussion about 'popcorn lung' etc. with a suggestion that butter/ cream/ cake/ custard flavours might have some risk attached.

I have mostly only vaped 'Bright Tobacco' for years, which is very bland. I do sometimes vape other stuff too, and don't worry too much about it.

I'd like to see continuing research and study. I don't trust much about the US these days though, particularly with the maniac they have in charge, so preferably independent European studies.
A big thing I see from vapers after quitting smoking is wanting the cheapest possible vape liquids, making their own etc, buying online from random cheapest places.... It's your lungs ffs, people need to either really fully qualify those "good deals" or simply buy from a reputable brand such as Juul - bad rep and good rep I know but at least they are big enough to actively make their liquids safer.
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13-09-2019, 16:43   #47
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The discussion on Liveline was not the worst ever. The host was receptive to points in favour of vaping and criticized some obviously stupid anti-vaping points.

The owner of vapura (think it was) rang in to give balance and did an ok job, if a little preachy/ holier than thou.

There was some scientist from DCU who had the rug pulled from under him on some obviously wrong points he made. Once the owner of Vapura clarified his sh1te, your man basically thanked him and finished up
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^^^ Anyone missed can listen here: - https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer...adio1/21619224


Edit: - The caller on the show could be in the very small percent of people who are allergic to vape oils liquid pg/vg.

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According to E-CigReviews(dot)org(dot)uk, allergic reactions to propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin, two ingredients that make up e-liquids, are possible although often rare. Symptoms of a propylene glycol allergy include dry throat, sore throat, swollen gums, skin problems and rashes, and sinus problems.

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Only about 1 out of every 1000 people has a VG sensitivity. Around 10% of people have a slight sensitivity to PG, however, this usually only exhibits itself in the form of dryness in the throat.

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I'll still take these guys at their word and the good old US can go take a jump.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...-young-people/
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There are certainly a lot of mixed messages coming out about vaping at the current time.

The deaths and serious hospitalisations seem to have a lot to do with cannabis-related products (but also some to do with "normal" nicotine-based products) but it's not fully clear.

The whole Trump thing seems to me like he wants he wife to have a "cause" that she can put her own stamp on to get behind - not entirely rational but such are the times we live in.

For sure (as an ex-vaper) it's healthier not to vape compared to vaping (I can tell the difference in aerobic performance) but it's also healthier to vape rather than to smoke but that equally doesn't mean that you have to vape forever.

It is also a bit annoying obviously that people who see the headlines and jump on the whole "vaping will kill you" thing or those who are completely uninformed.

there is also the conflict with the concept of helping smokers stop smoking with the idea of young people coming in and getting addicted to nicotine.

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Wisconsin man ran a drug ring that filled up to 5,000 bootleg vaping cartridges per day, police say






Not mentioned but JUUL removed some flavor pods from the US market, which also generated a rise in bootleg flavor pods there. What heck was put in them pods.

Also as THC Oils is illegal in some states, people may have been reluctant to report/admit to using it.





A Thickener Used in Pot Vaping Is a Hugely Popular Black-Market Scam

Vitamin E acetate is used to thicken THC oil, but sellers are running scared as investigators close in.
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clairebyrnelive@rte.ie would like your input, feel a hatchet job coming.
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clairebyrnelive@rte.ie would like your input, feel a hatchet job coming.
Flavour of the month? Questions over marketing of fruity e-cigarettes

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But because we don’t know the full picture about the safety or otherwise of vaping, we should be asking questions about how these nicotine products are marketed and advertised – and the potential impact on the nation’s health.

We'd like to hear about your experience of vaping - has it helped you to quit smoking? Are you a committed vaper? Do you know any teenage e-cigarette fans? Are you worried that we are creating a new generation of nicotine addicts?

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No mention of THC on that page? If someone is emailing maybe link this thread?
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^^^ Anyone missed can listen here: - https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer...adio1/21619224


Edit: - The caller on the show could be in the very small percent of people who are allergic to vape oils liquid pg/vg.

That callers story is full of holes though. It's also possible he just doesn't like vaping, doesn't understand it and is afraid of it so rang Liveline who were only delighted to kick start a new debate.
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That callers story is full of holes though. It's also possible he just doesn't like vaping, doesn't understand it and is afraid of it so rang Liveline who were only delighted to kick start a new debate.
in fairness the liveline woman was fairly measured.

the guy who claimed he lost his voice was one of those sample size of one types who is convinced that his word is canon law.
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Banning flavors leads to possible increase in BlackMart buying!

Banning flavors leads to possible increase in BlackMart buying!

Gov. Cuomo bans flavored e-cigarettes in New York after vaping illnesses, deaths


Following US vape ban plans would see former smokers 'relapse', say UK health experts
The overall use of e-cigarettes among young people remains low, but the number who have tried it has almost doubled in four years.


Trump's proposed ban on vape flavors may not stop teens from vaping, experts warn



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Looks like the beginning of the end in the US with NY banning flavours and many more states will follow suit no doubt. I can see it happening in Ireland in the near future as well. There's no way it wouldn't get passed in the Dáil, just like the US the argument that it's "for the kids" trumps all other reasoning.
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