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19-02-2015, 20:46   #1
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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?
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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?
3/4 Months now, white with EI titles.
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12 weeks is what was announced originally.
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12 weeks is what was announced originally.
You are correct, and Im very confused about this, but it appears that the B767 is being leased for 6 months rather than the 12 weeks that it will be utilised on the SNN-BOS route.

This Article says 12 weeks
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...in-summer-2015

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This newer article says June-December
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...e-requirements
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This newer article says June-December
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...e-requirements
The extension of the B767 lease is based on the cancellation of the A332.
This article is the only source for the 'cancellation' of the planned lease of A332 MSN 330. (ex EI-EWR)

The A332 isn't supposed to be around till late March so we may have to wait and see if it does appear.



And the published EI schedule requires 8 aircraft ex-DUB (not including the 12 week early DUB-JFK route) and 2 aircraft out of SNN. So am not sure how the B767 will 'replace' the A330 ex DUB.

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The extension of the B767 lease is based on the cancellation of the A332.
This article is the only source for the 'cancellation of the lease of A332 MSN 330. (ex EI-EWR)

The A332 isn't supposed to be around till late March so we may have to wait and see if it does appear.
So, EI-EWR, that used to be in the fleet, am I correct? Was it being brought into service the new IAD route from DUB?

I really dont understand all this
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EI need 4 A330 to cover the daily departures. (105,109,137,123)
They need another 2 (ish) to cover the SFO and MCO routes. (147,121)
The last 2 cover the 3/4 weekly ORD, BOS and DUB-IAD. (125,139,129)

Its not that simple (a/c don't stick to only one route) but I had it worked out on paper a few weeks back.
52 weekly departures, with 7 most days, 8 departures on Wednesday.



It was supposed to be EI-EWR returning to EI service. The article you posted seemed to nix that. However no other info has come to light.
And the CH-Aviation article references Jethros which has been incorrect in the past.

Operationally introducing a B767 into DUB is adding complexity. Not compatible with the way EI shuffle their aircraft across most routes.

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What is the J class product on the 767 like?
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Some interesting fleet changes planned for this Summer and over the next 2-3 years; the planned A330-200 for this Summer (EI-EWR) is apparently not going ahead, because EI is trying to source an A333.

Also, the A319 fleet will be down by one unit next year (apparently to be replaced by a 321), and the A319s will be completely gone by 2017.

No word at all about A330NEos. Fourth 757 looks likely by next Summer (2016).
I have sourced these from another fourm website. Interesting insight into the fleet changed for the next few years.
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What is the J class product on the 767 like?
http://beaerospace.com/products/seat...ss/millennium/

These will be the J class seats used by Aer Lingus for the 767
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I assume it would be a 2nd hand A321 coming into the fleet?
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I assume it would be a 2nd hand A321 coming into the fleet?
Almost definitely. No formal order for an A321 has been made with Airbus AFAIK so it would be practically impossible to get a new one within a year.

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I would expect to see EI-EWR ferried to BOD for refit and maintenance before we see it in SNN or DUB pre-lease. EI don't actually need it until April.
The CH-Aviation article states a Jun-Dec lease on the B767....this is 2 months after the EI SUmmer schedule commences,another reason to distrust their info.
DUB-IAD however starts May 1st

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I have sourced these from another fourm website. Interesting insight into the fleet changed for the next few years
The number mentioned line up with what was announced by EI in their Sept update. It showed fleet make-up from now until 2020 (with "further leasing options as required" added to cover any change)
http://corporate.aerlingus.com/inves...esentation.pdf

Look at page 20 for longhal fleet plan. 4xB757/narrow body in 2016, rising to 5 in 2019.
8x A330 for 2015-2017, 3/6 A350/A330 in 2018, 6/3 in 2019, 9x A350 in 2020.

Page 22 has shorthaul fleet, 320/321/319
2015 looks like 29/3/4, looks to drop an A319 and gain an A321 in 2016.

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Why would they get rid of the 319's? I thought they were rather successful on some of the thinner routes and some of the low loads on the LHR-DUB route.

That plan does not make a lot of sense at all.
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Why would they get rid of the 319's? I thought they were rather successful on some of the thinner routes and some of the low loads on the LHR-DUB route.

That plan does not make a lot of sense at all.
Hopefully it's the ex Iberia ones, on some sections the legroom is worse than a bus. Always see people complaining on it and flight attendants moving people around.

Can't understand why they don't just take a row out and adjust
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