The Stand With Eamon Dunphy

generalgerry · 09-08-2020 1:11am

Morrison J wrote: »

Ryan has answered the economy question a million times though. The hit the economy will take in a 3 month lockdown needed to achieve elimination is far less of a hit that the economy will take if it's half open and goes through multiple lockdowns.

I also think he is conflicted by having Tesco as a sponsor. I'd doubt that Tesco would indulge Eamonn having some like Marcus De Bruin giving a contrary opinion on the COVID situation. It wouldn't make sense for them to have Eamonn read out a message asking customers to leave the Tesco deliveries to the older people, and then he has a guest on questioning the whole COVID situation.

You can have an independent podcast, or you can have a sponsored podcast, but you can't have both. And Eamonn has always known which side his bread is buttered on.

09-08-2020 2:13am

there's hardly a load of issues that are going to be in conflict with selling groceries tbh

people have to buy groceries regardless. maybe they are buying more now than usual but Tesco can't stop a Coronavirus vaccine being developed for example.

I don't believe that they have any interest in interfering in topics re the Coronavirus

probably more to do with the fact that Eamo is an auld fella now and is coming down more on the side of saving his skin.

Tell me how · 09-08-2020 2:35am

generalgerry wrote: »

I also think he is conflicted by having Tesco as a sponsor. I'd doubt that Tesco would indulge Eamonn having some like Marcus De Bruin giving a contrary opinion on the COVID situation. It wouldn't make sense for them to have Eamonn read out a message asking customers to leave the Tesco deliveries to the older people, and then he has a guest on questioning the whole COVID situation.

You can have an independent podcast, or you can have a sponsored podcast, but you can't have both. And Eamonn has always known which side his bread is buttered on.

Marcus De Bruin has long been one to have his one aspirations.

I wouldn't necessarily take what he is saying as entirely gospel.

kowloonkev · 09-08-2020 7:16am

Morrison J wrote: »

Ryan has answered the economy question a million times though. The hit the economy will take in a 3 month lockdown needed to achieve elimination is far less of a hit that the economy will take if it's half open and goes through multiple lockdowns.

But it wouldn't achieve elimination though, unless after three months you don't open up the economy fully and restrict international travel/industry.

generalgerry · 09-08-2020 10:34am

Tell me how wrote: »

Marcus De Bruin has long been one to have his one aspirations. I wouldn't necessarily take what he is saying as entirely gospel.

I don't think everything he says as gospel by any means, but he has been one of the few doctors who has offered another side to the story, and to be publicly critical of the Government. And he offers an interesting counter to George Lee's analysis of the Swedish situation.

But I genuinely think that if Eamonn was to have somebody like De Bruin on the show, then it would lead to conflict with his sponsor.

JohnnyFlash · 09-08-2020 10:36am

Marcus De Bruin is a conspiracy theory pushing fruitcake.

generalgerry · 09-08-2020 10:46am

glasso wrote: »

probably more to do with the fact that Eamo is an auld fella now and is coming down more on the side of saving his skin.

Yeah I listened back to the podcast with the doctor this morning and I thought the same. Eamonn was lamenting that one of the problems with democracy was that you could not impose a shutdown in order to "eliminate the virus". I'm not sure the young footballer Eamonn, wanting to travel back and forth to the the UK, would have held the same opinions.

09-08-2020 10:48am

it's Marcus De Brun, not Bruin

09-08-2020 11:15am

this De Brun character seems to have lost the plot -

retweeting stuff from Jim Corr and that "Professor" Cahill (one of those types of women who came through the menopause in a bad way) who was spouting utter shyte about Covid (she works in a related field but is not doing ANY research or direct work on Covid), claiming for example that immunity is for life, that hydroxychloroquine works etc.

mcgucc22 · 11-08-2020 9:55am

Jaysus, Dunphy really has an axe to grind with the 'Visionary Group'.

TCDStudent1 · 11-08-2020 9:58am

mcgucc22 wrote: »

Jaysus, Dunphy really has an axe to grind with the 'Visionary Group'.

Must listen to the latest one. Thought it was pretty funny in episode 820 how he kept describing them as "These guys describe themselves as visionaries".

Obrieski · 11-08-2020 12:10pm

mcgucc22 wrote: »

Jaysus, Dunphy really has an axe to grind with the 'Visionary Group'.

Yeah he is definitely letting his bias shine out a bit.
Constantly asking the question about Roy Barrett and how he got to his position and not liking the dilution of "football people" on the board.

My issue with that line is, when they had "football people" on the board, look at the mess they got themselves into. The Association needs a complete overhaul and the best way to achieve that is through independent directors, not tied down to the past and who will try new ways of attempting to thrive. The FAI story is only getting going still it would appear.

11-08-2020 9:58pm

the amount of FAI shindigs that Dunphy must have been at down the years boozing it up with Delaney.....

(as he actually mentioned a few times). bit of a hypocrite to say the least. took him a fair while to jump on the Delaney-out bandwagon afair

Didn't the labour party guy Kelly have Delaney down canvassing for him in Tipperary also!?

Arghus · 11-08-2020 10:18pm

glasso wrote: »

the amount of FAI shindigs that Dunphy must have been at down the years boozing it up with Delaney.....

(as he actually mentioned a few times). bit of a hypocrite to say the least. took him a fair while to jump on the Delaney-out bandwagon afair

Didn't the labour party guy Kelly have Delaney down canvassing for him in Tipperary also!?

Dunphy held his fire for ages about Delaney. Even when the writing was on the wall last year it took him ages to acknowledge the reality of the situation.

CatFromHue · 11-08-2020 11:14pm

Yeah Dunphy has very much been a Delaney man for years, and has publicly back him a few times.

He was probably the last person to see there was any problem in the FAI, even when it was beyond obvious there were massive problems.

Even when he first covered it on the podcast he had Kieran Cunningham on who conveniently explained that Delaney courted people to get them onside, naming the RTE panel as being one such group.

Beechwoodspark · 12-08-2020 7:19pm

I see Kerr doing the virgin media pundit work lately

The thought struck me - has Kerr ever appeared on dunphys podcast?

Kind of odd he hasn’t, similar background, football mad etc.

Is there baggage between them?

Beechwoodspark · 12-08-2020 7:21pm

Arghus wrote: »

Dunphy held his fire for ages about Delaney. Even when the writing was on the wall last year it took him ages to acknowledge the reality of the situation.

Dunphy defended Delaney on the RTÉ weekend show when the revelations first appeared

He seemed to think Delaney would survive

Also Giles was involved with Delaney - this “foundation” he had.

of course Dunphy had his tongue up delaneys ... for years - so much so he got invited to delaneys 50th birthday in mount Juliet - he regularly gloated about it

And now he has done a complete u turn and mark tighe is his new best buddy

Higgins5473 · 13-08-2020 1:14am

Hang on, I am in complete agreement with every single post here regarding Dunphys hypocrisy and u-turn, but was Dunphy being a self centred egotistical bollocks ever in doubt?

byronbay2 · 13-08-2020 2:16am

Stopped listening to Dunphy a looooooong time ago but came on this thread to see what (if anything) he had said regarding the death of John Hume last week. Not a dicky-bird, if this thread is to be believed! :eek::eek: I hope all of Dunphy's fans/supporters on this thread are educated about the concerted and disgusting campaign he concocted to blacken John Hume's name (led by Aonghus Fanning, editor) when he worked for The Sunday Independent back in 1993.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/big-read-john-hume-and-the-sunday-independent-when-the-newspaper-took-on-the-peacemaker-39434389.html

I presume you all know what a kite-in-the-wind populist and champagne socialist Dunphy is but did you know that he did his best to derail the peace process in Northern Ireland? Check it out!

Tell me how · 13-08-2020 2:26am

byronbay2 wrote: »

Stopped listening to Dunphy a looooooong time ago but came on this thread to see what (if anything) he had said regarding the death of John Hume last week. Not a dicky-bird, if this thread is to be believed! :eek::eek: I hope all of Dunphy's fans/supporters on this thread are educated about the concerted and disgusting campaign he concocted to blacken John Hume's name (led by Aonghus Fanning, editor) when he worked for The Sunday Independent back in 1993.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/big-read-john-hume-and-the-sunday-independent-when-the-newspaper-took-on-the-peacemaker-39434389.html

I presume you all know what a kite-in-the-wind populist and champagne socialist Dunphy is but did you know that he did his best to derail the peace process in Northern Ireland? Check it out!

He did a full show on it with Eamon McCann and acknowledged that the Independent, including himself, had gone really hard on Hume and they had been proven to be wrong.

Sorry to disappoint.

byronbay2 · 13-08-2020 2:58am

Tell me how wrote: »

He did a full show on it with Eamon McCann and acknowledged that the Independent, including himself, had gone really hard on Hume and they had been proven to be wrong.

Sorry to disappoint.

Not disappointed, just surprised!

Utopia Parkway · 17-08-2020 4:08pm

Tomas Ryan on again today. Don't mind him but Dunphy really tears the arse out of repeating contributors. Would be nice to get some differing viewpoints.

jaykay74 · 18-08-2020 4:06pm

Every time that Chris Johns is on, without fail Dunphy makes some reference to the article Johns wrote about the Tory cabinet being made up of right wing hacks, after dinner speakers etc

humberklog · 19-08-2020 2:55pm

Bit of sneaky and sniveling behaviour by Dunphy today. Yesterday himself and Giles had a laugh at Ken Early's expense re the headline on his IT item regarding Messi. Ken wouldn't have written the headline which lost someone of the nuance of Ken's article.

However today when talking to Richard Fitzpatrick about Barcelona's woes Dunphy was not only discussing what the gist of the headline alluded to but moreso the discussion they had was the point Early's article was actually making.

Sneaky.

Beechwoodspark · 19-08-2020 3:11pm

jaykay74 wrote: »

Every time that Chris Johns is on, without fail Dunphy makes some reference to the article Johns wrote about the Tory cabinet being made up of right wing hacks, after dinner speakers etc

Yep. I mentioned that in a post a few weeks back

I like Chris johns but seriously, it’s like Dunphy has the exact same conversation with him every time.

You can set your watch by Dunphy saying

“This guy Boris and his cabinet - they’re not up to much are they”

Cue exact same conversation every time

Beechwoodspark · 19-08-2020 3:11pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I see Kerr doing the virgin media pundit work lately

The thought struck me - has Kerr ever appeared on dunphys podcast?

Kind of odd he hasn’t, similar background, football mad etc.

Is there baggage between them?

Anyone know what the story is with Dunphy and kerr?

Beechwoodspark · 19-08-2020 3:14pm

humberklog wrote: »

Bit of sneaky and sniveling behaviour by Dunphy today. Yesterday himself and Giles had a laugh at Ken Early's expense re the headline on his IT item regarding Messi. Ken wouldn't have written the headline which lost someone of the nuance of Ken's article.

However today when talking to Richard Fitzpatrick about Barcelona's woes Dunphy was not only discussing what the gist of the headline alluded to but moreso the discussion they had was the point Early's article was actually making.

Sneaky.

Dunphy seems to sneer at Ken early - he’s had a go at him before once or twice

Ash.J.Williams · 19-08-2020 3:21pm

I fancy Nicola talent

TCDStudent1 · 19-08-2020 3:47pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Dunphy seems to sneer at Ken early - he’s had a go at him before once or twice

He was also one of their first guests when they left Newstalk. He has been supportive to 2nd Captains.

humberklog · 19-08-2020 3:57pm

On Second Captains they even use an audio bed of Dunphy saying he likes Ken Early's writing. As said above Dunphy has been on SC.

Which is why his laugh behind the bike sheds with Giles was disingenuous at the very least. It also sounded to my ears as though Dunphy teed it up for himself and Giles to get a dig in.

It was childish and churlish of Dunphy.

Arghus · 19-08-2020 4:50pm

I think it's all a bit of a laugh. I think neither Dunphy or Ken take what each says about the other to heart. I think they both know it's only a bit of craic at the end of the day - arguing over opinions about football.

19-08-2020 5:17pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I fancy Nicola talent

not a huge amount of talent looks-wise with Nicola Tallant imo

Some amount of slap on her

was Eamo going in for a cop-a-feel here?!

blackwave · 19-08-2020 8:19pm

Arghus wrote: »

I think it's all a bit of a laugh. I think neither Dunphy or Ken take what each says about the other to heart. I think they both know it's only a bit of craic at the end of the day - arguing over opinions about football.

Yeah I think dunphy and Ken don't actually have an issue. It's more Giles that has an issue with ken in my opinion would love to know what caused it.

padd b1975 · 19-08-2020 8:23pm

Any chance Richard Fitzpatrick could liven up his contributions?

Interesting guest apart from that.

completedit · 19-08-2020 8:28pm

blackwave wrote: »

Yeah I think dunphy and Ken don't actually have an issue. It's more Giles that has an issue with ken in my opinion would love to know what caused it.

I think Ken and Giles just view football differently. Ken is too nuanced and poetic when it comes to football analysis. It seems like to me that they love football in different ways me clash on this percetion

Arghus · 19-08-2020 8:34pm

blackwave wrote: »

Yeah I think dunphy and Ken don't actually have an issue. It's more Giles that has an issue with ken in my opinion would love to know what caused it.

It's bizarre really. Apparently Ken expressed some opinion that Giles didn't agree with back in the Newstalk days and that's been it ever since. It's weird, Giles and Ken could have been great together. I think it reflects badly on Giles to be honest.

20-08-2020 1:17pm

Arghus wrote: »

It's bizarre really. Apparently Ken expressed some opinion that Giles didn't agree with back in the Newstalk days and that's been it ever since. It's weird, Giles and Ken could have been great together. I think it reflects badly on Giles to be honest.

Giles loves to be buttered up as the "old pro in the know". Dunphy sees fit to do it every time still.

Utopia Parkway · 20-08-2020 6:23pm

Classic exchange between Eamo and the ubiquitous Tomas Ryan today.

Tomas: Luke O'Neill is an immunologist of world renown. Known globally.

Eamo: He's a bit like Lionel Messi.

Long pause

Tomas: I don't know who that is.

Obrieski · 21-08-2020 9:17am

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Classic exchange between Eamo and the ubiquitous Tomas Ryan today.

Tomas: Luke O'Neill is an immunologist of world renown. Known globally.

Eamo: He's a bit like Lionel Messi.

Long pause

Tomas: I don't know who that is.

Just listened to that earlier, tragic stuff really.
You could tell it wasn't even put on, he legitimately was flummoxed!

Would have thought that would have been edited out, does nobody any favours keeping it in there.

Obrieski · 21-08-2020 9:22am

Eamon spent the last 2 podcasts with Tomas Ryan admonishing the "young people", going so far as to quote the Irish Times where they told young people to "cop on".

I wonder will he be as strong and forthright on the recent golf outing scandal where it was predominantly older people, and elected officials, who were not "copping on"?

Yes, some young people are not being very proactive in their efforts at trying to curtail / stop the virus, but I do know a lot of them who are doing their best, and the "older people" aren't exactly a shining light either.
Throwing out these blanket pronouncements has turned me off the podcast a lot recently.

I feel his fear of the virus is especially weighing on the direction the latest episodes go, and in particular his interviews with Tomas Ryan, where I feel he lets him off rather lightly on a lot of his views and declarations

dr.kenneth noisewater · 21-08-2020 10:08am

Obrieski wrote: »

Eamon spent the last 2 podcasts with Tomas Ryan admonishing the "young people", going so far as to quote the Irish Times where they told young people to "cop on".

I wonder will he be as strong and forthright on the recent golf outing scandal where it was predominantly older people, and elected officials, who were not "copping on"?

Yes, some young people are not being very proactive in their efforts at trying to curtail / stop the virus, but I do know a lot of them who are doing their best, and the "older people" aren't exactly a shining light either.
Throwing out these blanket pronouncements has turned me off the podcast a lot recently.

I feel his fear of the virus is especially weighing on the direction the latest episodes go, and in particular his interviews with Tomas Ryan, where I feel he lets him off rather lightly on a lot of his views and declarations

The words "House Party" needs to stop being used when warning of gatherings. Everyone just things of groups of young people drinking wheras the alot of clusters are coming from large family gatherings or family birthday parties where the ages vary from kids to grandparents.

TCDStudent1 · 21-08-2020 10:49am

Obrieski wrote: »

Eamon spent the last 2 podcasts with Tomas Ryan admonishing the "young people", going so far as to quote the Irish Times where they told young people to "cop on".

I wonder will he be as strong and forthright on the recent golf outing scandal where it was predominantly older people, and elected officials, who were not "copping on"?

Yes, some young people are not being very proactive in their efforts at trying to curtail / stop the virus, but I do know a lot of them who are doing their best, and the "older people" aren't exactly a shining light either.
Throwing out these blanket pronouncements has turned me off the podcast a lot recently.

I feel his fear of the virus is especially weighing on the direction the latest episodes go, and in particular his interviews with Tomas Ryan, where I feel he lets him off rather lightly on a lot of his views and declarations

oh I would be disappointed if Dunphy wasnt all over this.

Deeper Blue · 21-08-2020 10:54am

Jesus Christ enough with the Tomas Ryan podcasts, change the bleedin' record.

That Messi bit was hilarious though.

21-08-2020 3:51pm

I'd like to hear Tomas Ryan's strategy once we get to zero covid. I was initially in favour of that strategy but I don't know how you'd keep it out if NZ are having so much trouble.

21-08-2020 5:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd like to hear Tomas Ryan's strategy once we get to zero covid. I was initially in favour of that strategy but I don't know how you'd keep it out if NZ are having so much trouble.

he's in la-la-land and biased because he wants to get his kids back to school so was hoping for some zero situation before then but that is not going to happen

don't think that he has such a plan tbh

kowloonkev · 22-08-2020 4:59am

Thought the interview with Mich Clifford about the meat processing plants was very interesting and really shone a light on what's going on there in terms of cheap labour and also the treatment of farmers. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here already.

Obrieski · 22-08-2020 9:56am

kowloonkev wrote: »

Thought the interview with Mich Clifford about the meat processing plants was very interesting and really shone a light on what's going on there in terms of cheap labour and also the treatment of farmers. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here already.

Mick Clifford is a very knowledgeable contributor I find. Eamon has used him less often recently since he started his own podcast unfortunately

22-08-2020 12:35pm

glasso wrote: »

he's in la-la-land and biased because he wants to get his kids back to school so was hoping for some zero situation before then but that is not going to happen

don't think that he has such a plan tbh

I think he's biased due to his qualifications in medical sciences. Having zero covid before the schools open would have been fantastic. Now we probably face yet another strict lockdown in the coming months.

steve_r · 22-08-2020 1:09pm

Obrieski wrote: »

Mick Clifford is a very knowledgeable contributor I find. Eamon has used him less often recently since he started his own podcast unfortunately

I wonder if it's coming from the Irish Times as they might want him to concentrate on his own podcast. He was on with Dunphy recently and it got pulled down afterwards and then his own podcast was looking at a similar topic

Beechwoodspark · 22-08-2020 7:25pm

steve_r wrote: »

I wonder if it's coming from the Irish Times as they might want him to concentrate on his own podcast. He was on with Dunphy recently and it got pulled down afterwards and then his own podcast was looking at a similar topic

Mick is with the examiner not the IT

And yes he’s one of the good guys

The Stand With Eamon Dunphy

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