Mars by 2020?

Fathom · 13-12-2018 5:36pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Mars 2020 ? Try 1952.

Virtually visits Mars.

Midster · 26-08-2019 8:16pm

Going to Mars right now seems nothing more than a pointless waste of money, time, and if it all goes wrong (which it probably will) a waste of life. After years of unmanned probes and satellites exploring space for us, we finally got the stamina in us once again go into space. We stretched ourselves to go to the moon, and after trillions was spent on it, and a few lives lost we completely lost both the will, and the appetite for it, hence the countless probes, drones and satellites we use today. I feel this is exactly what will happen while attempting the same with mars. Why not send the drones satellites and probes there now, let them explore while we utilize the moon as a base for building bigger more capable craft with better tech so we can eliminate as much danger as we can before we even set off. Put the brakes on, let’s do this right!!

Fathom · 27-08-2019 10:07pm

If WW II like nationalism once again takes hold. Sputnik like competition could fuel Mars.

Midster · 27-08-2019 10:32pm

Fathom wrote: »

If WW II like nationalism once again takes hold. Sputnik like competition could fuel Mars.

I just don’t see the point in going to mars. And the more I think about it the less sense it seems to make.
Why go now... that’s the big question, don’t have the tech to build, or mine, or even explore properly. It’s just going for the sake of going, which is an effort that’s going to absorb billions of pounds/dollars/euros for a quick look around then a very long journey back home.
It probably won’t be repeated because once you’ve been there, and there’s no real achievement in going back, what’s the point.
Mars only makes sense when we have the kit available to land and stay, or land builder robots with all the materials to mine.
Pointless waste of money, it really is

Fathom · 28-08-2019 1:28am

Midster wrote: »

Mars only makes sense when we have the kit available to land and stay, or land builder robots with all the materials to mine. Pointless waste of money, it really is

Human travel to Mars, or occupation makes no practical sense. Robotics may, if mining profits.

sKeith · 28-08-2019 2:12am

Fathom wrote: »

Human travel to Mars, or occupation makes no practical sense. Robotics may, if mining profits.

We've already sent robots to mars.

Now we need to send something there, with insufficient raw materials to make it back. The crew (human or robotic) has to survive on mars for long enough for to create the fuel for the return trip.

or..

we send more robots up now to make the fuel for the return trip, before the crew ever make it to the marsian surface.

either way, mars is a great target for 2020.

if we can do mars today/tomorrow, then harder stuff seems more accessible, sooner.

sticking our head in the sand for a 100 years, wont help us improve.

Midster · 28-08-2019 9:58am

we have already sent satellites to mars, fact I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a few spinning round the planet right now.

It’s not important enough for us to be there at this stage to go there.

The whole point in having robots in the first place is so they can do things that are either to dangerous or to expensive or fruitless for us.

Develop robots to go look around mars first and send them as soon as possible.

Then while we are doing that, also look into developing builder robots and send those to the moon, followed by enough metal and materials to build a spaceship there.

Then, many years after now, after we have samples from all over mars from both above and below ground, and we know exactly we’re we need to go. Then go.

In my opinion we are wasting our time, risking our lives, and wasting valuable resources (money, rocket fuel etc) on something that if we just waited, sent robots of to do the jobs we are developing them for in the first place we could actually achieve much quicker.

Fathom · 02-09-2019 7:17pm

If Mars mining profitable. Mining robots sent. Will they need killer robot escorts? Judging from human history on Earth.

CyberMoses · 03-09-2019 1:07am

Mars by 2020? How about extraterrestrials?

Allow us to say that "word on the street", who is a reliable source in the world of computer science has informed "passerbye" that apparently- now this is not factual but more a topic of contemplation- that The Unites States and United Nations has extraterrestrial contact with numerous civilisations in the milkyway, as part of the "behind closed doors" search for extraterrestrial life, and these civilisations are parallel civilisations of earth, with the same military industrial complex and same computer science systems and architecture i.e. CIA, NSA etc and all these politicians, generals, celebrities etc that you see, are nothing more that archetypal forms of the unconscious human mind as it exists within the structures of these military civilisations that are called "Egypt" this explains things like the pyramids etc. and they, the archetypal forms, Putin, La Pen, Obama, Hitler, Lady Gaga, Michael D Higgins, the Royals etc. are used, by the mysterious architects of these civilisations, so as to subjugate and control humanity as they turn a hunter-gatherer into a universal toy soldier as part of the future space-force earth.

The rabbit hole goes deeper, or should I say getting out of the rabbit hole goes deeper, but that is all I will say for now, I have much more information regarding financial monopolisation, political fraud by organisations such as the Gardai, Military Inside-Jobs regard 9/11 and high profile assassinations, all being covered up by the western criminal justice system and the very top of these criminal justice systems', the High Courts, the Magistrate Courts, the Roman Curia and even the International Court of Justice, in a desperate attempt to keep western governing bodies such as the UN and EU from collapsing, as making this public would result in the collapse of these organisations.

Allow us to get a friendly conversation going, no hostility and no herd mentality.

Roger_007 · 03-09-2019 1:39am

CyberMoses wrote: »

Mars by 2020? How about extraterrestrials?

Allow us to say that "word on the street", who is a reliable source in the world of computer science has informed "passerbye" that apparently- now this is not factual but more a topic of contemplation- that The Unites States and United Nations has extraterrestrial contact with numerous civilisations in the milkyway, as part of the "behind closed doors" search for extraterrestrial life, and these civilisations are parallel civilisations of earth, with the same military industrial complex and same computer science systems and architecture i.e. CIA, NSA etc and all these politicians, generals, celebrities etc that you see, are nothing more that archetypal forms of the unconscious human mind as it exists within the structures of these military civilisations that are called "Egypt" this explains things like the pyramids etc. and they, the archetypal forms, Putin, La Pen, Obama, Hitler, Lady Gaga, Michael D Higgins, the Royals etc. are used, by the mysterious architects of these civilisations, so as to subjugate and control humanity as they turn a hunter-gatherer into a universal toy soldier as part of the future space-force earth.

The rabbit hole goes deeper, or should I say getting out of the rabbit hole goes deeper, but that is all I will say for now, I have much more information regarding financial monopolisation, political fraud by organisations such as the Gardai, Military Inside-Jobs regard 9/11 and high profile assassinations, all being covered up by the western criminal justice system and the very top of these criminal justice systems', the High Courts, the Magistrate Courts, the Roman Curia and even the International Court of Justice, in a desperate attempt to keep western governing bodies such as the UN and EU from collapsing, as making this public would result in the collapse of these organisations.

Allow us to get a friendly conversation going, no hostility and no herd mentality.

Dougal, is that you?

CyberMoses · 03-09-2019 1:54am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Dougal, is that you?

No, Ted, as stated, I am not the fictitious character in a TV show, which itself is a minor dimension of the secrets services and the roman catholic dimension of the Irish Republic, in relation to the protection of government, military and Garda secrets by distracting you with hypnotic TV whose actors are but archetypal forms your unconscious mind, used, so as to ensure yous spend your time drooling and laughing at a reflection of your own psychology, which they use, so as to control you, controlling you by controlling you unconsciousness, rather than your realising you live in a highly illegal societal prison where the police, military and secret services gerrymander and rig elections so as to ensure political parties loyal to them and the military industrial complex, i.e. Fine Gael and Fianna Fail get elected, and so as to blind you to the reality that the same security forces build a control system around you through the structure of the family and condition you as a literal dog from the moment you enter the Roman Catholics education system, who, when they aint raping little boys they're conditioning them as dogs, their abuse of the mind and conditioning resulting in literal brain damage of an entire population that will forever prevent them form intellectually growing and gaining a perspective of life other than that of a Flat Earth perspective, instead rendering as bloodhounds for the Church. No Ted, it's not me.

Midster · 03-09-2019 9:06am

Now that’s what you call, a conspiracy theory.

But in the end, really. If any of our governments were talking to aliens and keeping it a secret.

Who does it actually benefit? Not the aliens because we are most likely inferior, not the governments, because they cannot demand or even buy there tech, and not us either because nobody gets a flying saucer for Christmas.

And believe me, I want one.

It’s much more likely that yes at some point some government somewhere has found some broken piece of alien tech, but that nobody has any idea, even remotely of were it came from (apart from somewhere in space, probably.)

CyberMoses · 03-09-2019 3:14pm

Midster wrote: »

Now that’s what you call, a conspiracy theory.

But in the end, really. If any of our governments were talking to aliens and keeping it a secret.

Who does it actually benefit? Not the aliens because we are most likely inferior, not the governments, because they cannot demand or even buy there tech, and not us either because nobody gets a flying saucer for Christmas.

And believe me, I want one.

It’s much more likely that yes at some point some government somewhere has found some broken piece of alien tech, but that nobody has any idea, even remotely of were it came from (apart from somewhere in space, probably.)

Why inferior? If they are aliens only two lifeforms, as far as I am aware, according to the laws of nature can evolve intelligence on the same level as humanity, A primatic-humanoid like humans, which these aliens they have contact with are, or dinosauria.
An since they are also humanoid, and also descendant from apes, the ape of their planet, which goes deep into a constant inherent in the laws of nature, these "aliens" would not be superior, but if anything either at the same state of technological and natural evolution or or ahead or behind, they belong to the same military industrial complex, the reality of which, goes deeper into another universal form of intelligence, robotics ad AI.
No the likely hood, as somebody versed in such things, at the highest level, of computer science etc, and knowing quite well it is impossible to reach the moon and the current state of computer science without encounter aliens due to knowledge of linguistics, mathematics, computer science, archaeology, military, secret services and globalist architecture.

sKeith · 03-09-2019 3:35pm

CyberMoses wrote: »

Why inferior? If they are aliens only two lifeforms, as far as I am aware, according to the laws of nature can evolve intelligence on the same level as humanity, A primatic-humanoid like humans, which these aliens they have contact with are, or dinosauria.
An since they are also humanoid, and also descendant from apes, the ape of their planet, which goes deep into a constant inherent in the laws of nature, these "aliens" would not be superior, but if anything either at the same state of technological and natural evolution or or ahead or behind, they belong to the same military industrial complex, the reality of which, goes deeper into another universal form of intelligence, robotics ad AI.
No the likely hood, as somebody versed in such things, at the highest level, of computer science etc, and knowing quite well it is impossible to reach the moon and the current state of computer science without encounter aliens due to knowledge of linguistics, mathematics, computer science, archaeology, military, secret services and globalist architecture.

I don't understand.

Do you think extraterrestrials are going to aim to beat us to mars by 2020?

We have been discussing the plausibility of terrestrial humans getting to the red planet for 2020, that is, our earth to mars mission/s.

I am not really understanding your segue, from that train of discussion to a new discussion about extraterrestrials and non factual contemplations that US state bodies know about or have known about the existance of parallel extraterrestrial civilizations and that there is only two lifeforms that can advance to human level of intelligence, the evolved ape and some sort of dino.
Do you not believe that your discussions deserves its own thread and to let us continue discussing our plain old terrestrial missions in here?

Fathom · 27-09-2019 3:17am

Mars per NASA: The launch window period for NASA's next JPL rover, Mars 2020, opens less than one year. August 2020.

Midster · 28-09-2019 7:32am

sKeith wrote: »

there is only two lifeforms that can advance to human level of intelligence, the evolved ape and some sort of dino.

If the Dino’s weren’t able to evolve into anything better than what I’ve seen dug up from the ground, in over 100 million years!!

I doubt very much they could ever build a spaceship, let alone develop the tech necessary to build one in the first place

Fathom · 29-09-2019 5:56pm

Midster wrote: »

If the Dino’s weren’t able to evolve into anything better than what I’ve seen dug up from the ground, in over 100 million years!!

Raptors?

Midster · 04-10-2019 10:18am

Ahhhh yes, the raptors, the ultimate killing machines, I should expect that if they would have been around for a lot longer they would have been the master of all land animals.

Maybe then the planet would have turned out to be like a pitch black film scenario, with swarms of these pack animals taking down any prey they fancied to eat.

But... I can’t imagine they would have ever been interested in inventing the wheel for example, or fire, or going to the moon, or inventing a Barry’s tea bag.

Fathom · 05-10-2019 6:32pm

Midster wrote: »

Ahhhh yes, the raptors, the ultimate killing machines, I should expect that if they would have been around for a lot longer they would have been the master of all land animals.

Lots of evidence suggests dinosaur raptors evolved to today's raptors (birds).

Midster · 05-10-2019 7:12pm

Fathom wrote: »

Lots of evidence suggests dinosaur raptors evolved to today's raptors (birds).

More easy to see that in some bird species than in others

Fathom · 09-10-2019 6:49pm

Fictional movie raptors on Mars.

Midster · 13-10-2019 3:52pm

Truly terrifying prospect for any space traveler ðŸ˜¬

Fathom · 13-10-2019 5:03pm

Fascination with Red Planet

Rubecula · 22-10-2019 9:54am

I am bored by Mars now it is so old hat I think I will wait for the miners to start digging up stuff on …… errr Ganymede ….. or somewhere a little more exotic …

Fathom · 27-10-2019 4:39pm

Mars invades earth looking for Rubecula.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-10-2019 10:31pm

Fathom wrote: »

Mars invades earth looking for Rubecula.

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one

sheepsh4gger · 04-11-2019 2:23pm

It can be done since the 60s. It has has been teased in the 80s and every now and then this thing resurfaces. It has become a meme at this point. It will happen eventually. I don't believe Elon can pull it off.

Fathom · 10-11-2019 5:22pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one

Better odds than the lottery?

Capt'n Midnight · 10-11-2019 11:04pm

Fathom wrote: »

Better odds than the lottery?

Ohhhh yes.

The chances of anything coming from Mars
Are a million to one, he said
The chances of anything coming from Mars
Are a million to one...

But still, they cooooooooome.!

Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds.
If you haven't heard it before now is a good time.

Mars by 2020?

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