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Mars by 2020?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula


    very much so.

    I can still remember the title of the first SCI FI book I ever read as a 8 year old.

    "Kemlo and the Gravity Rays


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Jules Verne. Wrote science fiction. Fictional fantasies. Inspiring future quests. In plays and films. Encouraging others to experiment with reality.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula


    first men in the moon etc, great story teller.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Many Mars sci fi movies. Popular topic beginning with 1924 silent film Aelita to 2017 The Space Between Us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula


    I like thae Gary Sinese film but forgotten the title. ( Mission to Mars?) The Martian from a few months back is pretty good too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭ Akrasia


    Spacex are hoping to send a probe to Mars in 2020, using their Falcon Heavy boosters, and their first cargo mission to mars in 2024 with the first human mission 2 years later.

    They've developed the 'interplanetary transport system' concept which will be launched and then refueled in orbit using a re-usable booster

    http://www.spacex.com/mars

    watch the video. It's ridiculously ambitious but also ridiculously cool


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    SpaceX plans to generate methane on Mars for fuel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula


    Fathom wrote: »
    SpaceX plans to generate methane on Mars for fuel.

    could feed the crew on sprouts :D


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    SpaceX envisions self-sustaining Mars city. Plans Interplanetary Transport System between Earth and Mars.

    NASA has similar plans as SpaceX to generate fuel:

    MIT-MOXIE.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula


    wonder if going right to asteroids would be easier for fuel manufacture, but I doubt if I will be alive to find out as it is too far in the future.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    graphic-mars2.jpg


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 87,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    Thanks to corporate welfare NASA have officially given up on Mars anytime soon. But that's good because some senators will get re-elected. And the money could have been wasted on healthcare or education instead of completely wasted on re-inventing off the shelf 1960's hardware, badly. :mad:

    https://futurism.com/nasa-just-announced-they-cant-afford-to-get-humans-to-mars/
    Essentially, the SLS rocket and Orion craft have cost the agency a lot. As a result, NASA hasn’t even been able to begin designing vehicles to land on Mars or ascend from the surface.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Discouraging report. Surprised that NASA still exists. Republicans want cuts. To allow for massive tax cuts for rich. Doubtful SpaceX, et al, will transport humans by 2020. Or years after. Research follows money. Including aerospace research.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 87,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    Fathom wrote: »
    Discouraging report. Surprised that NASA still exists.
    no surprise. It's there for pork barrelling and PR , they do some science too but that's a bonus.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-space-idUSKCN0WJ1YJ
    Approving a plan submitted by Russian space agency Roscosmos in January, Medvedev ordered Russia's space program budget for 2016-2025 to be cut from 2 trillion rubles ($29.24 billion) to 1.4 trillion rubles.
    This works out at $2.05 Bn a year.



    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
    Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support, according to data compiled by The Times.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    What subsidies will exist for SpaceX and Mars in federal fiscal year beginning October 1, 2017?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 87,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    This pork barrel just soaked up some military funds.

    Total acquisition costs for Lockheed Martin Corp.’s next-generation fighter may rise about 7 percent to $406.5 billion,


    Speaking of military funds ULA still has it's snout deep in the trough.
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/air-force-budget-reveals-how-much-spacex-undercuts-launch-prices/
    According to the Air Force estimate, the "unit cost" of a single rocket launch in fiscal year 2020 is $422 million, and $424 million for a year later.
    ...
    That is a tad more expensive than the amount ULA would ever tell taxpayers they are paying for one of its launches, and it illustrates the extent to which those taxpayers are forced to subsidize ULA in order to maintain the fiction that it is a competitive private sector company.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Trump had signed legislation adding Mars exploration to NASA's mission.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,793 ScumLord


    Fathom wrote: »
    Trump had signed legislation adding Mars exploration to NASA's mission.
    He'll probably ruin it by insisting it's a coal powered rocket.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    ScumLord wrote: »
    He'll probably ruin it by insisting it's a coal powered rocket.
    Cool joke ScumLord. Trump signed. But budget yet to be negotiated. Without money, Mars exploration for NASA is meaningless.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 87,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    Fathom wrote: »
    Cool joke ScumLord. Trump signed. But budget yet to be negotiated. Without money, Mars exploration for NASA is meaningless.
    we've been here before. Bush 2004
    https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/bush_vision.html
    "With the experience and knowledge gained on the moon," he said, "we will then be ready to take the next steps of space exploration: human missions to Mars and to worlds beyond."


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Does current administration watch Star Trek?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula


    unlikely

    maybe the parents did though


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Interesting timeline. Once-upon-a-time science fiction?

    article-2712110-20295ADF00000578-196_634x448.jpg


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Another NASA view of Mars exploration.

    600px-NASA-JourneyToMars-ScienceExplorationTechnology-20141202.jpg


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Mars 2020 rover weighs 2,314 pounds, 10 feet long, 9 feet wide, and 7 feet tall. About the size of a small compact-car.

    oomars2020.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 Rubecula


    at 7 feet tall it is not that compact lol lol lol


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,793 ScumLord


    Rubecula wrote: »
    at 7 feet tall it is not that compact lol lol lol
    If there are Martins up there they're going to start getting worried when they see this bad boy.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 87,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    ScumLord wrote: »
    If there are Martins up there they're going to start getting worried when they see this bad boy.

    f02a30e2852f921028b68fecfc85ab82--sci-fi-comics-fun-comics.jpg


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 8,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    NASA plans to have humans on Mars during the 2030's.


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